Georgia vs Ossetia. Your choice?

[black hole]

Which state do you like?



https://i.postimg.cc/PJQ19ntz/900px-Outline-Map-of-North-Caucasian-Federal-District-svg.png



Tbilisi

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/06/17/travel/17hours1/merlin_138493119_dc17f17f-96a2-4487-a9ea-214914926374-superJumbo.jpg




Vladikavkaz

https://www.advantour.com/img/russia/vladikavkaz/vladikavkaz1.jpg

[ugochaves]

Ossetia

[Your Old Comrade]

Georgia.

[majevica]

Ossetia

[Demirkazık]

I think Vladikavkaz looks better than Tbilisi, considering the photo you posted. However I would like to live in Mtiuleti, very good looking place.

[Rumata]

When studying, my mother had a practical work in Chikola village, North Ossetia. She has good memories about local people.
I met few Ossetians but the overall impression about this people is rather positive. They have a number of brave social activists too.
The only real downside about N. Ossetia I remember of is the tradition of production of falsified vodka. Here, Georgia with its wine should win. Also Georgia is bigger and more diverse.
So all in all Ossetia is my choice.

[Victor]

I think Vladikavkaz looks better than Tbilisi, considering the photo you posted. However I would like to live in Mtiuleti, very good looking place.

Tbilisi has own spirit but it has too much contrast with slums and decaying buildings and hoods, just like most of other Georgian cities, Vladikavkaz is neat and tidy. It's understandable, Georgia has no money to renovate all of it, even tho it looks much better than some 10-15 years ago.

[Rumata]

Since forever Georgia is known for its illegal additions to buildings of every kind :laugh:

https://pro-dachnikov.com/uploads/posts/2021-10/1633340397_20-p-pristroennii-balkon-foto-21.jpg

[Voskos]

Georgia

[user_]

Since forever Georgia is known for its illegal additions to buildings of every kind :laugh:

https://pro-dachnikov.com/uploads/posts/2021-10/1633340397_20-p-pristroennii-balkon-foto-21.jpg

This photo was not taken in Georgia, you can easily google it, however in 90-th many people were building this additions, that's true.
If we are going to bring here ugly photos, trust me, I can find millions of them from Russia, not just from Vladikavkaz, but from Moscow and Leningrad )))
This is quite typical balconies in Russia )))
https://i.ibb.co/HHRxbPg/rossia.jpg (https://ibb.co/mcdX2yz)
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[user_]

Which state do you like?



https://i.postimg.cc/PJQ19ntz/900px-Outline-Map-of-North-Caucasian-Federal-District-svg.png



Your map is wrong, this is a map of Georgia. This one is real map.
https://i.ibb.co/CBVMf0j/ethno-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/hs2ZS8G)
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I should not vote, as i'm Georgian, but Russians advertising Vladikavkaz so hard, i can't ignore it ))
Obviously guys, there is no country or republic in entire region of Caucasus that can compare with Georgia in terms of living standards, safety, natural beauty or urban life.
Tbilisi always was a main city in the region, mixing pot of Caucasus. It is a big, vibrant, cosmopolitan city.
Georgia has so much to offer, from very westernized cities, to authentic Caucasian Svaneti region.
From lush, almost tropical rainforests, to tundra landscapes and glaciers.

[ugochaves]

Many Georgians in Russia have a business (catering), and they walk with the letter Z on their T-shirt. Other Georgians commit atrocities in Ukraine, gouging out the eyes of Russian captured soldiers. Ossetia has never betrayed Russia. These are our Aryan brothers. My choice is the inner beauty of people, not buildings.

[ugochaves]

Your map is wrong, this is a map of Georgia. This one is real map.
https://i.ibb.co/CBVMf0j/ethno-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/hs2ZS8G)
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I should not vote, as i'm Georgian, but Russians advertising Vladikavkaz so hard, i can't ignore it ))
Obviously guys, there is no country or republic in entire region of Caucasus that can compare with Georgia in terms of living standards, safety, natural beauty or urban life.
Tbilisi always was a main city in the region, mixing pot of Caucasus. It is a big, vibrant, cosmopolitan city.
Georgia has so much to offer, from very westernized cities, to authentic Caucasian Svaneti region.
From lush, almost tropical rainforests, to tundra landscapes and glaciers.
That's right - Georgia is part of Turkey.

[user_]

Tbilisi has own spirit but it has too much contrast with slums and decaying buildings and hoods, just like most of other Georgian cities, Vladikavkaz is neat and tidy. It's understandable, Georgia has no money to renovate all of it, even tho it looks much better than some 10-15 years ago.

Georgian cities have historical heritage, that Vladikavkaz do not have. So that need a lot of resources to restore. But the result in the end will be fantastic, that's good that Georgian authorities have enough brain not to demolish historical heritage for new apartment development.

[user_]

Many Georgians in Russia have a business (catering), and they walk with the letter Z on their T-shirt.

It's other way around actually. Many Russians have business in Georgia, every third new café is opened by Russians, nail salons here and there )))

[ugochaves]

It's other way around actually. Many Russians have business in Georgia, every third new café is opened by Russians, nail salons here and there )))
Armenians and Georgians are opening beauty and nail salons in Moscow. Apparently, we want to make each other more beautiful.

[user_]

Armenians and Georgians are opening beauty and nail salons in Moscow. Apparently, we want to make each other more beautiful.

"Georgian salon"- is it a joke? :D Beauty industry always was in hands of Armenians in Georgia, but now it seems Russians and Belorussians are replacing them.

[ugochaves]

"Georgian salon"- is it a joke? :D Beauty industry always was in hands of Armenians in Georgia, but now it seems Russians and Belorussians are replacing them.
No, there are also watermelons on the market and shawarma.

[Victor]

No, there are also watermelons on the market and shawarma.

I don't see Georgians doing this job. Watermelons are on Azeris/Armenians, shawarma on Russians/Central Asians/Armenians.

[user_]

No, there are also watermelons on the market and shawarma.

Georgian shawarma, another joke :D Do you even know what Georgia is?

Georgians do not migrate to Russia for the last 15 years, it's Russians who migrate to Georgia, especially after war.
There are several reasons: 1) We are enemies, traveling to Russia can be dangerous for Georgian. 2) Russia is not much advance country, than Georgia, salaries are almost same. 3) With Georgian passport you can travel to entire Europe without visa.

On the other hand Russians find Georgia as a good shelter, especially now, when most of countries are closed for them. Despite being in a frozen conflict, not having diplomatic relations, still Russians prefer Georgia to any other post soviet republic for living. Because Georgia is a democratic country, with a rule of law and your safety is guaranteed by constitution, even if you are from a country that occupies Georgian territories, even if 90% of Georgians hate Kremlin's politic and support Ukraine.

[Victor]

We are enemies, traveling to Russia can be dangerous for Georgian

99 of 100 Russians would barely give a damn if they learn that person is Georgian.

[ugochaves]

Georgian shawarma, another joke :D Do you even know what Georgia is?

Georgians do not migrate to Russia for the last 15 years, it's Russians who migrate to Georgia, especially after war.
There are several reasons: 1) We are enemies, traveling to Russia can be dangerous for Georgian. 2) Russia is not much advance country, than Georgia, salaries are almost same. 3) With Georgian passport you can travel to entire Europe without visa.

On the other hand Russians find Georgia as a good shelter, especially now, when most of countries are closed for them. Despite being in a frozen conflict, not having diplomatic relations, still Russians prefer Georgia to any other post soviet republic for living. Because Georgia is a democratic country, with a rule of law and your safety is guaranteed by constitution, even if you are from a country that occupies Georgian territories, even if 90% of Georgians hate Kremlin's politic and support Ukraine.
You didn't convince me to open a beauty salon in Georgia. Stay the same - fused eyebrows and hair on the ears. You are such by nature...Russophobia is flourishing in Georgia. My Ukrainian friend was visiting her sister in Georgia. She is a Ukrainian banderovka. But she speaks Russian. Even she didn't like the Georgians. Terrible Russophobes. Ugh fuck. We saved you from the Turks. You begged our emperor for salvation. Today you are cutting off the heads of captured soldiers, scum

[ugochaves]

Probably the only nation I hate and will never forgive is the Georgians. I hope for a war with them. I am a Ukrainian and I don't want to fight with Ukrainians, but these scum traitors of Georgians should be destroyed and given to Turkey.

[user_]

99 of 100 Russians would barely give a damn if they learn that person is Georgian.

I am sure that is true and most of Russians would be very friendly to Georgians. But Russian government is repressive, there is no civil society that will protect you from police brutality, or if Kadyrovs gangsters decide to shoot you down.

[Rumata]

This photo was not taken in Georgia, you can easily google it, however in 90-th many people were building this additions, that's true.
If we are going to bring here ugly photos, trust me, I can find millions of them from Russia, not just from Vladikavkaz, but from Moscow and Leningrad )))
This is quite typical balconies in Russia )))

https://i.ibb.co/HHRxbPg/rossia.jpg (https://ibb.co/mcdX2yz)
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First your "typical balconies in Russia" are wrong as they look clearly below average.

Then, your reaction to my post is very funny. Like if I tried to diminish your architecture :D Really, I took one of the first images from a search engine and my query was: "пристройки в грузии" - "extension buildings in Georgia":

https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0 %B9%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B 7%D0%B8%D0%B8

As you can see many pictures from that query look more ugly than the one I'd posted. Because I tried to post a neutral picture :D But if you insist there aren't tons of more ugly illegal buildings in Georgia feel free to ask me to post google maps coordinates to them :laugh:

[Rumata]

Honestly, I quite like Georgia but I'm far from idealizing it too.

[user_]

First your "typical balconies in Russia" are wrong as they look clearly below average.

Then, your reaction to my post is very funny. Like if I tried to diminish your architecture :D Really, I took one of the first images from a search engine and my query was: "пристройки в грузии" - "extension buildings in Georgia":

https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0 %B9%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%B2%20%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B 7%D0%B8%D0%B8

As you can see many pictures from that query look more ugly than the one I'd posted. Because I tried to post a neutral picture :D But if you insist there aren't tons of more ugly illegal buildings in Georgia feel free to ask me to post google maps coordinates to them :laugh:

There are much more ugly buildings, both in Georgia and Russia, than in the pictures we posted. I hope you agree with it.

[Rumata]

There are much more ugly buildings, both in Georgia and Russia, than in the pictures we posted. I hope you agree with it.

I agree with it but my initial post wasn't to point out ugliness. It was to say there's a ridiculous number of illegal additional building in Georgia (good or bad). I think I once read a Soviet joke about this phenomena even. Unlike in my city at least. Here they are rare.

[user_]

Honestly, I quite like Georgia but I'm far from idealizing it too.

No need to idealize any place, many Russians who come to live to Georgia, expect here Swiss living standards and many of them are frustrated after seeing the reality.
Georgia is a country on transition way, from Soviet system to European. If there is no intervention from north, you will sea a very nice country on the southern border of Russia in 10-15 years. It should be beneficial for Russia, but i guess Putin has another plan.

[Zohor]

Tbh I can't pick anything.
It would easily be Georgia not so long ago but Georgian migrants to Poland kinda deromanticized my view of Georgia. Georgian migrants in Poland have the highest percentage of criminals in there, all Caucasus region is filled with violence. I am aware of the beauty of nature and long hard history of these places but I am not able to be positive about these places, I am more neutral now.

[Barba]

Georgia would be more interesting to visit

[Rumata]

No need to idealize any place, many Russians who come to live to Georgia, expect here Swiss living standards and many of them are frustrated after seeing the reality.
Georgia is a country on transition way, from Soviet system to European. If there is no intervention from north, you will sea a very nice country on the southern border of Russia in 10-15 years. It should be beneficial for Russia, but i guess Putin has another plan.
I know welcoming Asian migrants is according to the European system. But I hear that a lot of Georgia (firms etc) is already legally owned by Turks too.

[Rumata]

Tbh I can't pick anything.
It would easily be Georgia not so long ago but Georgian migrants to Poland kinda deromanticized my view of Georgia. Georgian migrants in Poland have the highest percentage of criminals in there, all Caucasus region is filled with violence. I am aware of the beauty of nature and long hard history of these places but I am not able to be positive about these places, I am more neutral now.
Since Georgian govt is said to have declared war on criminals, where would they go to? And in USSR their mafia was considered N1 or so.

[Rumata]

If there is no intervention from north, you will sea a very nice country on the southern border of Russia in 10-15 years. It should be beneficial for Russia, but i guess Putin has another plan.
Anyway I want peace for Russia, Ukraine, Georgia and the whole the post-Soviet space.

[black hole]

No need to idealize any place, many Russians who come to live to Georgia, expect here Swiss living standards and many of them are frustrated after seeing the reality.
Georgia is a country on transition way, from Soviet system to European. If there is no intervention from north, you will sea a very nice country on the southern border of Russia in 10-15 years. It should be beneficial for Russia, but i guess Putin has another plan.




You guys did not even give permission to your close North Caucasian neighbors from Dagestan, Chechnya and Ingushetia(not only them, but also Kabardino-Balkaria and Karachay-Cherkessia), whom you call "brothers" to cross Russian-Georgian board, you guys denied them to enter the Georgia when they needed the most, then they returned back. It is your so called "brotherhood" is a fake motto without any value.

[Victor]

I know welcoming Asian migrants is according to the European system. But I hear that a lot of Georgia (firms etc) is already legally owned by Turks too.

Georgian criminals were encouraged/forced to move abroad during Saakashvili rule, mainly Russia, Ukraine and EU. They're also half state agents in some questions. I mean they're actively exploited by state where it is possible.

[tk'es]

мæ уарзон цæгат кавказы.. мæ зæхх, мæ ут, мæ зардæ

[Zohor]

Since Georgian govt is said to have declared war on criminals, where would they go to? And in USSR their mafia was considered N1 or so.

I see. At the same time it's weird almost 10% of Georgians legally living in Poland are criminals already recorded in Poland. I mean how these people still do such a high percentage among whole group of Georgians coming to Poland? It has to be something about their culture and mentality.

[Rumata]

I see. At the same time it's weird almost 10% of Georgians legally living in Poland are criminals already recorded in Poland. I mean how these people still do such a high percentage among whole group of Georgians coming to Poland? It has to be something about their culture and mentality.
I don't know what are their young generations about but I'm sure such things are almost impossible to uproot in one generation.
And some diasporas are more inclined to crime than populations in their homelands are.

[CordedWhelp]

Close call, perhaps Georgia.

[ugochaves]

Tbh I can't pick anything.
It would easily be Georgia not so long ago but Georgian migrants to Poland kinda deromanticized my view of Georgia. Georgian migrants in Poland have the highest percentage of criminals in there, all Caucasus region is filled with violence. I am aware of the beauty of nature and long hard history of these places but I am not able to be positive about these places, I am more neutral now.

Dear Slavic brother. Now imagine how hard it is for Russians to live in their own country.

[user_]

Dear Slavic brother. Now imagine how hard it is for Russians to live in their own country.

C'mon, do not pretend you are from peaceful, wealthy Scandinavian state ))) You are from Russia, bro, well known for mafia and not safest country in the world, lol )))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia


I see. At the same time it's weird almost 10% of Georgians legally living in Poland are criminals already recorded in Poland. I mean how these people still do such a high percentage among whole group of Georgians coming to Poland? It has to be something about their culture and mentality.
More wealthy country-less criminals. Like Germans, or Brits are less likely to commit crime, than Poles.

[KirillMazur]

C'mon, do not pretend you are from peaceful, wealthy Scandinavian state ))) You are from Russia, bro, well known for mafia and not safest country in the world, lol )))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia
How is it in Georgia, the boys are still "crowned" for riding in a bus without a ticket and smoking in the school toilet? Half the country "thieves in law":).

More wealthy country-less criminals. Like Germans, or Brits are less likely to commit crime, than Poles.
All native bandits in "rich" countries have long put on expensive suits and do not come into direct contact with the population.
"Aristocracy" (the largest bandits, Pablo Escobar never dreamed of this) - centuries ago they formed their own vicious circle.
One of the differences between Russia and the West is this - In Russia, crimes at the grassroots level are often not condemned by the people, but the "aristocracy" is not in favor, but in the West it is strictly the opposite.

[user_]

How is it in Georgia, the boys are still "crowned" for riding in a bus without a ticket and smoking in the school toilet? Half the country "thieves in law":).

That's simply not true. You are going to jail for being "thieve in low". That's why all bandits from 90-th run out from country. Either you go to jail, or or give up the crown, or last chance to emigrate.


All native bandits in "rich" countries have long put on expensive suits and do not come into direct contact with the population.
"Aristocracy" (the largest bandits, Pablo Escobar never dreamed of this) - centuries ago they formed their own vicious circle.
One of the differences between Russia and the West is this - In Russia, crimes at the grassroots level are often not condemned by the people, but the "aristocracy" is not in favor, but in the West it is strictly the opposite.
It's the same in all countries with communist background. Bandits are often romanticized and seen as Robin Hoods. People in post soviet countries do not trust police. However this is not a problem in Georgian case. Really good reforms were done.

[Rumata]

That's right we should trust western police that is fair and reliable unlike eastern bandits in uniforms

https://u.9111s.ru/uploads/202209/10/68da8d75342ea8f9646e5badf652b99c.jpg

[Rumata]

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/05/17/gettyimages-531886772_wide-3d13bd7e54acb87d5fdc55186fedb1e1ccda9036-s1400-c100.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NyBDxODaf94/maxresdefault.jpg

[Zohor]

That's right we should trust western police that is fair and reliable unlike eastern bandits in uniforms

Well, at the same time when policeman does someting nasty some cases in west are loud and bashed whereas in Russia people don't care, you don't even have respect for themselves

[Frowning Man]

I was in Vladikavkaz and in Tbilisi. I did not see anything special either there or there. I have already written many times, there is absolutely nothing truly Georgian in Tbilisi. I prefer Georgian rural regions, where at least Georgians look like Georgians.

[Victor]

I was in Vladikavkaz and in Tbilisi. I did not see anything special either there or there. I have already written many times, there is absolutely nothing truly Georgian in Tbilisi. I prefer Georgian rural regions, where at least Georgians look like Georgians.

Tiflis has some own spirit, but it's more "Urban Soviet Georgian" than Georgian, Rustavi-2 spirited liberals are there who hate Georgian mentality, Georgian Church etc (I'm not speaking about anti/pro Russian but natural attitude of Georgians, I know some in my life).

You know, most of Christian, anti lgbt actions are labeled "Russian" by those mongrels who ran away from Russia to Georgia, they cannot understand that person not being pro-Russian may be conservative, traditional and Christian.

[Rumata]

Well, at the same time when policeman does someting nasty some cases in west are loud and bashed whereas in Russia people don't care, you don't even have respect for themselves
In these parts people tend to know the simple truth that state is no friend. The population of the West however has been exposed to a more sophisticated training to obey and to a stricter selection of the obedient. Also, their population is indeed used to a better illusion of democracy, human rights etc.

But when their illusion leads them too far, they are broken as harshly - with gas and horses. And no authority is going to punish these police units because this is what they want.
A peaceful and decent protest for human rights Freedom Convoy is broken while one could protest homophobia with ones pants down all day long as such things fit their idea of "demoncracy".

https://vk.com/video-167563201_456248984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We91J8UPE9I

[Victor]

In these parts people tend to know the simple truth that state is no friend. The population of the West however has been exposed to a more sophisticated training to obey and to a stricter selection of the obedient. Also, their population is indeed used to a better illusion of democracy, human rights etc.

But when their illusion leads them too far, they are broken as harshly - with gas and horses. And no authority is going to punish these police units because this is what they want.
A peaceful and decent protest for human rights Freedom Convoy is broken but one could protest homophobia with ones pants down all they long as such things fit their idea of "demoncracy".



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhw-mzYyfDQ

[user_]

Tiflis has some own spirit, but it's more "Urban Soviet Georgian" than Georgian, Rustavi-2 spirited liberals are there who hate Georgian mentality, Georgian Church etc (I'm not speaking about anti/pro Russian but natural attitude of Georgians, I know some in my life).

You know, most of Christian, anti lgbt actions are labeled "Russian" by those mongrels who ran away from Russia to Georgia, they cannot understand that person not being pro-Russian may be conservative, traditional and Christian.

Tbilisi is not even the most liberal city in Georgia, it is Kutaisi. Cradle of Georgian feminism ))) Frowning man probably means that old town of Tbilisi is mix of armenian, persian, russian, azeri influences. Unlike Kutaisi, or other places in Georgia, especially western part.

[interes]

tbilisi garazda kruche chem lubaia post savetskaia gorada, ia ne imiu maskvu i leningrad bliad :)

[Peterski]

Georgia. I like Georgian food.