Is it just me or does Southeastern Europe have a record of spooky rulers ?

[Cold Fire]

Disclaimer : The thread title is not meant anti-Southeastern European. Just a trend.. ? ( just like Prussia had a trend of megalomaniacal rulers , lol.. )
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Vlad_Tepes_002.jpg


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Al%C5%BEbeta_Bathory.jpg

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.. Southeastern Europe is a region often, dare I say , overlooked... By overlooked I mean, everybody worldwide knows at least a little bit about the USA , England , Germany ,Russia etc..


Southeastern Europe is a region "in between" between the Russia sphere in the north , south of eastern Europe , east of Western Europe with Turkey in the South...


One might think that this region wouldn't really be heard of... ( the Serbs were put into a negative light because of the alleged assassination of Austrian Ferdinand which allegedly was the trigger for World War 1... ).

But.. does this region have a record of 'spooky rulers ' or 'rulers about which gruesome legends exist'.. ?


I pictured two examples above..

Vlad Dracul and Elisabeth Bathory..

Concerning Vlad Dracul..
With him the legends about 'a blood-ducking Dracula ' started . .

We know the stereotypical picture...

A person from nobility into mannerism reminiscent of a blood-sucking bat..... A kind of freak..

Still loved by literature today . .

Some biographical truthfulness concerning Vlad Dracul..

He is said to have been a fierce warlord.. Into staking people... Brutal etc..

.. maybe this fierce attitude of his caused many legends to circulate around him . .

In fact the word 'Dracul ', which was attributed to him , means 'the dragon ' in Romanian . .

Now, the time in which he lived, the end of the recent Middle Ages, still maybe had many people to whom 'dragon' was the ultimate beast, being the number one 'bad guy ' in many medieval legends . .

..to this day the words 'Siebenbürgen' and 'Transylvania' make many people think of 'a vampire count' et al... They are geographical locations . .

Well.. may Vlad Dracul have been who he may have been , the legends around him are a favourite of fictional ( ? :hides ) literature today..


Another ruler..

Elisabeth Bathory... also called 'The Blood Countess'..

She is said to have been very sadistic... Into sado- masochism, as one would call it today . . It's said that she allegedly used her high position to torture servant- girls et al while getting a kick out of it . .

A true "bad-ass bitch ", as one would call such a broad today . .

She is said to have been convicted of a number of tortures/ killings even by her relatives and was even imprisoned towards the end of her life.. inside the dungeon of the very castle she had resided in... Where she died...

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.. wow...

.. this world has seen people.....

What do ya know ...

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.. oh, by the way, again, this thread wasn't meant to talk ill of Southeastern Europe . . Just a fact that two of the most fearsome rulers came from there . .

Oh, and since I said "Prussia has seen many megalomaniacal rulers" above .. I, in a way , am a Prussian myself , my ancestors were Northern Europeans from Lower- Saxony, Germany , a region which was under the authority of the Prussian in old times . .

Yet.. I'm honest enough to admit that many Prussian rulers always wanted "more and more "..

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https://img.welt.de/img/kultur/mobile102064527/3222509287-ci102l-w1024/wilhelm-ca-10-portraet-DW-Kultur-Fuerstenwalde-jpg.jpg
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.. so.. Please do not take this thread as "anti Southeastern European ", just a fact about a geographical area...

Two examples of spooky rulers, both from this region . .


https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/30/98/HD-wallpaper-castle-moon-clouds-moon-castle-sky-night.jpg


https://c.tenor.com/ZLOJnFU4Sa8AAAAC/tenor.gif

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLMr9CsJHME



https://as2.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/04/73/91/1000_F_204739116_dbux80ZWbrGrLZnGKZ3FnJcBh8eG7iib. jpg

[Ruggery]

Romania and Hungary.

[Cold Fire]

Romania and Hungary.
Yup..


Romania.. as one can easily guess by the country's name.. based on Rome , the Roman sphere of influence.. "in the East "...

Hungary... the name Hungary points to the ancient Huns... also the country's name in the local language, "Magyarország ".. the ancient Huns referred to themselves as 'Magyars'..

I have to say that since the Middle Ages the Austrian House of Habsburg got more and more influence east of their "Stammlande ".....

Southeastern Europe in a way always laid between different spheres of influence, talking about nobility.. The Russians in the north, several eastern european rulers in the west as well as the Habsburg-Austrian/German expansion . .

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By the way, what I find remarkable about the Austrian Habsburger rulers is that , as soon as Napoleon more or less smashed the 'Holy Roman Empire ' of Germany and Austria, the Habsburg-"Erblande" splitted from the rest of the Reich, the Habsburg rulers, who could no longer reign the German Reich turned more and more towards the east... Maybe to enlarge their realm.. ? ..maybe because they were pissed at the situation of not setting the German emperor anymore.. ?

Anyway... let's face it.. Southeastern Europe has in a way always been between different spheres of interest . . .


.... of course one could do the thinking now.. "So that's why bloodthirsty tyrants a la Vlad Tepes and E. Bathory thrived there.. these countries laid 'in between '... "..

.. but.. haha.. do not think that would be true / just..

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:)

[Ruggery]

Yup..


Romania.. as one can easily guess by the country's name.. based on Rome , the Roman sphere of influence.. "in the East "...

Hungary... the name Hungary points to the ancient Huns... also the country's name in the local language, "Magyarország ".. the ancient Huns referred to themselves as 'Magyars'..

I have to say that since the Middle Ages the Austrian House of Habsburg got more and more influence east of their "Stammlande ".....

Southeastern Europe in a way always laid between different spheres of influence, talking about nobility.. The Russians in the north, several eastern european rulers in the west as well as the Habsburg-Austrian/German expansion . .

. . . .

By the way, what I find remarkable about the Austrian Habsburger rulers is that , as soon as Napoleon more or less smashed the 'Holy Roman Empire ' of Germany and Austria, the Habsburg-"Erblande" splitted from the rest of the Reich, the Habsburg rulers, who could no longer reign the German Reich turned more and more towards the east... Maybe to enlarge their realm.. ? ..maybe because they were pissed at the situation of not setting the German emperor anymore.. ?

Anyway... let's face it.. Southeastern Europe has in a way always been between different spheres of interest . . .


.... of course one could do the thinking now.. "So that's why bloodthirsty tyrants a la Vlad Tepes and E. Bathory thrived there.. these countries laid 'in between '... "..

.. but.. haha.. do not think that would be true / just..

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61b-MY6PbsL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg https://media.istockphoto.com/id/982640404/vector/continuous-line-parents-with-children-travelling-on-vacation-one-line-family-with-baggage.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=is&k=20&c=bMrT7KGDblyfC1NBpm0RzPiuEHmMlYr_JSA0Fe49960=

:)

What position did the Habsburger have in Napoleon's time?

[Sebastianus Rex]

That's ironic coming from a German...

[Cold Fire]

What position did the Habsburger have in Napoleon's time?

.. they were still emperors of the 'Holy Roman ( German ) Empire' , as it was called back then...

The Habsburgers have set the German emperor for long..

But .. the Prussians ( a kind of a state within a state ), in time came into competition with them..

Like I said, the Habsburgers were Austrian, geographically speaking ,the Prussians had their 'central' in Northern Europe....

https://www.preussenchronik.de/grafik/karten/karte1866.gif

.. Austria ( the ancient lands of the Habsburgers ) was in Central- Europe..

https://www.stepmap.de/landkarte/oesterreich-in-Europa-175821.png


.. after the last Austro-Habsburger laid the crown to the side the Prussians in the following times got more and more of Germany....


That's ironic coming from a German...

.. I know what you're thinking..

Does a name you think of begin with 'h' end ends with 'itler '.. ?

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion . . .

[Sebastianus Rex]

.. they were still emperors of the 'Holy Roman ( German ) Empire' , as it was called back then...

The Habsburgers have set the German emperor for long..

But .. the Prussians ( a kind of a state within a state ), in time came into competition with them..

Like I said, the Habsburgers were Austrian, geographically speaking ,the Prussians had their 'central' in Northern Europe....

https://www.preussenchronik.de/grafik/karten/karte1866.gif

.. Austria ( the ancient lands of the Habsburgers ) was in Central- Europe..

https://www.stepmap.de/landkarte/oesterreich-in-Europa-175821.png


.. after the last Austro-Habsburger laid the crown to the side the Prussians in the following times got more and more of Germany....



.. I know what you're thinking..

Does a name you think of begin with 'h' end ends with 'itler '.. ?

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion . . .

I was thinking more about Angela Merkel...

But yeah, the guy who was supposedly born in Austria but spoke with a lower Bavarian Passau accent, lived 3 years in a known male prostitute Viennese hostel, had several ancestors called Jakob, was infiltrated in the German workers party as an agent of the army's intelligence, who was reported by the french secret services as Adolph Jakob Hitler, who had a rare "semitic" y haplogroup for an "Austrian" and who utterly destroyed Germany for the next 1000 years and his actions end up creating the state of Israel could definitely make the list also. Chai.

[Cold Fire]

I was thinking more about Angela Merkel...

.. I agree with you..

Every country might have had gruesome leaders now and then..

And.. guess what.. often it's not the fault of the people..


I did not vote Merkel..

Btw, I was self-ironic enough to deem some Prussian rulers as somewhat megalomaniacal... Despite in a way being Prussian myself ( see explanation above )...

[Dick]

I was thinking more about Angela Merkel...

But yeah, the guy who was supposedly born in Austria but spoke with a lower Bavarian Passau accent, lived 3 years in a known male prostitute Viennese hostel and had several ancestors called Jakob, was infiltrated in the workers party as an agent of the army's intelligence, was reported by the french secret services as Adolph Jakob Hitler, who had a rare "semitic" y haplogroup for an "Austrian" and who utterly destroyed Germany for the next 1000 years could definitely make the list also.

https://media.tenor.com/orR9vQoxlx8AAAAM/laughing-drinking.gif

[Dick]

Those countries are not in "southeastern" Europe. Hungary and Romania are in Eastern Europe as well as the now defunct Kingdom of Prussia. Even Austria means "Eastern realm" in German.

"Central Europe" sounds like a label for people with complex issues.

Que art:


https://youtu.be/B9cqCfbvv04

[Sebastianus Rex]

.. I agree with you..

Every country might have had gruesome leaders now and then..

And.. guess what.. often it's not the fault of the people..


I did not vote Merkel..

Btw, I was self-ironic enough to deem some Prussian rulers as somewhat megalomaniacal... Despite in a way being Prussian myself ( see explanation above )...


https://media.tenor.com/orR9vQoxlx8AAAAM/laughing-drinking.gif

Hehehe...I edited my post to add some stuff about the "Austrian painter", plenty more to come. Chai.

[Cold Fire]

But yeah, the guy who was supposedly born in Austria but spoke with a lower Bavarian Passau accent, lived 3 years in a known male prostitute Viennese hostel, had several ancestors called Jakob, was infiltrated in the German workers party as an agent of the army's intelligence, who was reported by the french secret services as Adolph Jakob Hitler, who had a rare "semitic" y haplogroup for an "Austrian" and who utterly destroyed Germany for the next 1000 years and his actions end up creating the state of Israel could definitely make the list also.

https://media.tenor.com/orR9vQoxlx8AAAAM/laughing-drinking.gif
I'm not on this forum to start arguments so I'll just stick to one question concerning these claims.. Sources ?......

Those countries are not in "southeastern" Europe. Hungary and Romania are in Eastern Europe as well as the now defunct Kingdom of Prussia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Hungary_Romania_Locator.png

.. you would not say these countries are located south.. ? Lithuania and Poland I think one could say are northeastern European countries....

And Prussia... One part of Prussia was on "ancient German" soil , the other stretched almost to the baltic.. ..

.. I don't think I'll have to give a history of Prussia here , most people know how this state came into being..


Even Austria means "Eastern realm" in German.


.. the definition for "Eastern Europe" has varied over the course of time.. first of all, the world became more and more "known" from the Middle Ages on until modern times , second ,many like to make a true distinction between Western-Eastern Europe by the fact that the people eastern are slavic rather than 100 per cent sticking to geography . .

Austria does expand to the east but not very much and many people at all times referred to the Germano-Austrians as "Blutsdeutsche " ( " Germans by blood")...

"Central Europe" sounds like a label for people with complex issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe


Wikipedia uses it..


Que art:


https://youtu.be/B9cqCfbvv04

.. so .. there is a band called "Bathory " around....

https://i.redd.it/7p4reu76rkf41.jpg
https://cdn.donmai.us/original/6a/2b/6a2b913db399acc813ea164aab3f1dc6.png

Hehehe...I edited my post to add some stuff about the "Austrian painter", plenty more to come.



Chai.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai

".. what meanest thou by that ? "

https://media.makeameme.org/created/reading-old-english.jpg

:D .. no beef , just a sucker for "ye olden English "


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/frGyLYSFDg0/hqdefault.jpg

[Ruggery]

You should open a thread about Prussia, I mean if you know that much about it.

[Ruggery]

.. they were still emperors of the 'Holy Roman ( German ) Empire' , as it was called back then...

The Habsburgers have set the German emperor for long..

But .. the Prussians ( a kind of a state within a state ), in time came into competition with them..

Like I said, the Habsburgers were Austrian, geographically speaking ,the Prussians had their 'central' in Northern Europe....

https://www.preussenchronik.de/grafik/karten/karte1866.gif

.. Austria ( the ancient lands of the Habsburgers ) was in Central- Europe..

https://www.stepmap.de/landkarte/oesterreich-in-Europa-175821.png


.. after the last Austro-Habsburger laid the crown to the side the Prussians in the following times got more and more of Germany....

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I thought that the Habsburgs no longer had relevance after the war of the Spanish succession

[Cold Fire]

I thought that the Habsburgs no longer had relevance after the war of the Spanish succession

.. I don't think that was the case.. The war was long and it surely was a scenario but the Habsburgs surely wouldn't have given up their position that easily..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.E.I.O.U.

https://rlv.zcache.de/wappen_des_reiches_osterreich_ungarn_t_shirt-rae0a71af0aae4d4195df129a79b73d01_k2gr0_200.webp

.. the Habsburgs were one of the most powerful royal houses of all time..

The A.E.I.O.U. , I suppose one could say ,was their version of the ancient Roman "S.P.Q.R. "

https://www.comedix.de/lexikon/db/img/spqr.gif

... a conquest-sign which meant "Senatus Populusque Romanus" ( "The Roman Senate And The People" ).. that territory had been taken in by Rome..

[Cold Fire]

You should open a thread about Prussia, I mean if you know that much about it.
First of all, thank you if it's your opinion that I recited the history of Prussia correctly. :)


No offense but even if you personally just haven't looked into Prussia that deeply yet, I don't think a complete thread would be needed.. It would just be giving facts which after all may be redundant still to some out there.

Again, no offense if you personally just haven't looked into that particular subject that much as of yet..


Btw ,feel free to PM me at any given time... :)


Cheerio

[Sebastianus Rex]

I'm not on this forum to start arguments so I'll just stick to one question concerning these claims.. Sources ?......

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Hungary_Romania_Locator.png

.. you would not say these countries are located south.. ? Lithuania and Poland I think one could say are northeastern European countries....

And Prussia... One part of Prussia was on "ancient German" soil , the other stretched almost to the baltic.. ..

.. I don't think I'll have to give a history of Prussia here , most people know how this state came into being..




.. the definition for "Eastern Europe" has varied over the course of time.. first of all, the world became more and more "known" from the Middle Ages on until modern times , second ,many like to make a true distinction between Western-Eastern Europe by the fact that the people eastern are slavic rather than 100 per cent sticking to geography . .

Austria does expand to the east but not very much and many people at all times referred to the Germano-Austrians as "Blutsdeutsche " ( " Germans by blood")...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe


Wikipedia uses it..



.. so .. there is a band called "Bathory " around....

https://i.redd.it/7p4reu76rkf41.jpg
https://cdn.donmai.us/original/6a/2b/6a2b913db399acc813ea164aab3f1dc6.png





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai

".. what meanest thou by that ? "

https://media.makeameme.org/created/reading-old-english.jpg

:D .. no beef , just a sucker for "ye olden English "


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/frGyLYSFDg0/hqdefault.jpg

1. Read this thread carefully, I've made several posts with all the links:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373664-Philosophical-origins-of-National-Socialism/page2

2. "Chai"...search in hebrew.

[Cold Fire]

1. Read this thread carefully, I've made several posts with all the links:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373664-Philosophical-origins-of-National-Socialism/page2
Okay , you surely added many things to this thread. A lot of research. surely must' ve taken you some time to put all these sources in there. That's good work.


But.. regardless of our present discussion.. it is widely known fact that Hitler per se is a person about whom many legends/ myths existed at all times..

Like I said.. regardless of our present discussion..


Just throwing that fact in.


2. "Chai"...search in hebrew.

So.. 'chai' = 'life' in hebrew

[Sebastianus Rex]

Okay , you surely added many things to this thread. A lot of research. surely must' ve taken you some time to put all these sources in there. That's good work.


But.. regardless of our present discussion.. it is widely known fact that Hitler per se is a person about whom many legends/ myths existed at all times..

Like I said.. regardless of our present discussion..


Just throwing that fact in.



So.. 'chai' = 'life' in hebrew

1. Yes, many myths and many hidden facts also, I don't trust mainstream historians for many reasons, regarding highly political figures they are falsifiers and revisionism (which means discussion of new evidence) is not allowed.

2. More in the sense of a toast..."to life".

"Het-Yud spells the word Chai (חי), usually pronounced like the English word “hi” or “high,” which is a word and symbol that means “life.” In fact, a common Jewish toast “L'Chaim!,” which means, “To Life!” is often said at celebrations in anticipation of all the good things to come."

[Cold Fire]

You should open a thread about Prussia, I mean if you know that much about it.

Recently did. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?376181-Prussia :)

Feel free to drop in. :)

[Cold Fire]

.. little clarification maybe... I said 'megalomaniacal leaders' concerning Prussia because they 'always wanted more ' , in a way... Some people probably wouldn't call that megalomaniacal, but one could name it like that...

I admit that they sometimes tried to achieve their aims in quite an aggressive way..

But , as I laid out in the general thread about Prussia, the history of this state is a diffuse one at times ( pretty depopulated area in the beginning, hostility from the German rulers , territorial questions etc.. )..

Yes , many rulers of Prussia could be called aggressive, indeed.

[Ruggery]

Do you know of any other German leader outside of Hitler who was also a tyrant?

[Cold Fire]

Do you know of any other German leader outside of Hitler who was also a tyrant?

Dude.. I PM'd you in private..

Check out your PM folder please..
Thank you :)