Chuvash on G25 (ancestry subtraction)

[axlredneck]

https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/4395091/pub_60b151c09a29723ed2abb718_60b3ae4cb86a7b140d92f 26d/scale_1200


The Chuvash people are a Turkic ethnic group native to the Volga-Ural region. They speak Chuvash, a unique Turkic language that diverged from other languages in the family more than a millennium ago.

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/4183nZd/IMG-20230829-224648.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/gSc12zh/IMG-20230829-224827.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/cF7dJdH/IMG-20230829-224847.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vXvHFnG/IMG-20230829-224905.jpg

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/rvz9kYy/IMG-20230829-225450.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vVvHsxP/IMG-20230829-224943.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/S60nKLS/IMG-20230829-225003.jpg

[axlredneck]

Chuvash_13,0.1101458,-0.0105458,0.0829375,0.0553324,-0.0128545,0.0062429,0.0124738,0.0156916,-0.0093295,-0.0327745,0.0177878,-0.0109634,0.0260957,-0.0219667,-0.0258077,-0.0145237,0.0008825,-0.0048336,-0.0254585,-0.0210774,0.0072758,0.0034718,-0.0314377,0.0063862,-0.0013079
Finnic,0.1014143,-0.0470116,0.093815,0.0621974,-0.0270318,0.002113,0.0127863,0.0181204,-0.0053518,-0.0399405,0.0292822,-0.0136286,0.0318449,-0.0373611,-0.0354916,-0.021093,-0.0006906,-0.0089507,-0.0400345,-0.0336722,0.0161398,0.0065346,-0.0482925,0.009369,-0.0024088
Slavic,0.1354493,0.1221175,0.0695788,0.0566865,0.0 36853,0.019801,0.0119855,0.014134,-0.0043972,-0.0216862,-0.0020298,-0.0103035,0.0196975,0.0212972,-0.0130293,-0.0028838,0.005574,0.001077,0.0036138,0.0024075,-0.0037748,-0.0059045,0.005423,-0.006989,0.0009878
Volga_Bulgar,0.094934579,-0.036733901,0.034133704,0.022213739,-0.029474896,0.001069552,0.003139755,-0.001320175,-0.019423825,-0.014224517,-0.007332212,0.001901321,-0.004969105,-0.014079142,0.008298993,-3.68002E-06,0.000560359,-0.001493096,-0.003317274,0.005247081,-0.010769104,0.004203397,-0.001568125,0.000413186,-0.001240093
Noise,2.294592215,-0.956774478,1.266210939,-1.02534888,0.759876988,0.466777358,0.981010167,0.6 7807614,-2.569053228,0.26230135,-0.55369231,0.154059226,1.115799158,0.126737605,-0.194441867,0.22616651,0.087924827,1.104597152,0.9 72748371,0.364354802,-1.491611722,-0.126209553,-0.061912439,1.557099543,0.23721761
Bulgar,0.0849878,-0.1178578,0.0594385,0.0480552,-0.0385198,0.0055468,0.0013578,-0.0006667,-0.0122941,-0.0213318,-0.0114032,-0.0025311,0.0032127,-0.0211022,0.0138586,0.0072188,-0.0031293,-0.0010628,-0.0034567,0.0046341,-0.0173374,0.0045614,-0.0017392,0.0019212,-0.0006053
Caucasus,0.1099221,0.1325347,-0.0575292,-0.048028,-0.0400868,-0.0080925,0.0127606,-0.0046857,-0.0669701,-0.0231982,0.0002645,0.013771,-0.0291554,0.0065563,0.0033111,-0.0265455,0.009434,-0.0057234,-0.0108322,0.0188397,0.0130435,0.002934,-0.0010488,-0.0092346,-0.00245
Balkan,0.1253124,0.1522296,0.0237699,-0.0175763,0.0284492,-0.0095843,-0.0000879,-0.0003398,0.004806,0.0320848,0.0032724,0.0089493,-0.0151339,-0.0051971,-0.0129167,-0.0024874,0.007686,0.0016702,0.0067648,-0.0087171,-0.0081039,0.0040225,-0.0013726,0.0050271,-0.002862
pre-Slavic,0.100465042,-0.045505949,0.085071881,0.05633992,-0.027389706,0.001960138,0.011373112,0.015272417,-0.007413307,-0.036173191,0.023918306,-0.011353516,0.026451766,-0.033950368,-0.029076417,-0.018003482,-0.000507339,-0.007858185,-0.034655543,-0.02797065,0.012197732,0.006193086,-0.041447528,0.008057002,-0.002237588

https://i.ibb.co/82Qf9T7/IMG-20230829-232639.png

[axlredneck]

Chuvash Y-DNA (n=275)

C - 0.35%
E - 9.45%
F - 1.1%
G - 0.75%
I - 10.9%
J2 - 13.1%
K - 0.35%
L - 0.35%
N - 31.65%
R1a - 28.75%
R1b - 3.25%

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 5.6898% / 0.05689846
80.4 Balkan
17.0 Slavic
2.6 Volga_Bulgar


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.4367% / 0.05436655
80.4 Balkan
18.2 Slavic
0.8 Bulgar
0.6 Finnic

Yes, my entrance is from East to West.

[DomitiusAurelian]

With Anatolian

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 1.6601% / 0.01660068
67.2 Anatolian
23.6 Bulgar
4.2 Chuvash_13
3.0 Caucasus
2.0 Slavic

Distance to: Domitius_scaled
0.01750888 38.20% Volga_Bulgar + 61.80% Anatolian:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
0.01863464 28.00% Bulgar + 72.00% Anatolian:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
0.03418427 29.00% pre-Slavic + 71.00% Anatolian:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
0.03622423 31.80% Chuvash_13 + 68.20% Anatolian:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
0.03780942 27.40% Finnic + 72.60% Anatolian:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA

[Gallop]

Whit Anatolia


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 5.6851% / 0.05685051
74.4 Balkan
19.2 Slavic
3.2 Anatolia_Neolithic
3.2 Volga_Bulgar


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.4111% / 0.05411144
67.8 Balkan
23.0 Slavic
7.0 Anatolia_Neolithic
2.2 Finnic

[axlredneck]

The Balkan ancestry is picked from the western end of the Old Great Bulgaria, and Caucasus ancestry is from the Saltovo-Mayaki culture.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwBbZXeUIM_Fku9LDs1webCDONaVb3D Fho-Q&usqp=CAU

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 3.8250% / 0.03825018
66.2 Slavic
33.6 Balkan
0.2 Finnic

[axlredneck]

...

Has anyone been in touch with Turul Karom?
Haven't seen him of late.

[axlredneck]

Chuvash Y-lineages

Bulgar origin
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y152278/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-FT61419/

Caucasus origin
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y138257/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1460/

Balkan origin
https://yfull.com/tree/E-Y95437/

Anatolian/Miscellaneous origin
https://yfull.com/tree/E-Y40386/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-FT12693/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-FGC62948/
J-M47

[axlredneck]

https://youtu.be/vGcKhITfgMA

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.8685% / 0.02868522
41.4 Volga_Bulgar
39.2 Anatolian
17.2 Georgian
2.2 African

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.6876% / 0.02687629
46.2 Anatolian
28.8 Bulgar
23.0 Georgian
2.0 African

0.025 52% Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_2.SG:R6750.SG + 48% Volga_Bulgar

0.027 65% Turkey_Hellenistic:I4472 + 35% Bulgar

[Demirkazık]

Can you do it for Bashkirs or Siberian Tatars next, and remove their Uralic admixture ?


Bashkir_Baimaksky,0.088212875,-0.11983237,0.060292125,0.03221925,-0.0396995,-0.005194375,0.006403875,0.010932125,-0.007542,-0.021617875,0.002212625,-0.00318475,0.0084365,-0.021744375,-0.002001625,-0.0016905,-0.00381375,-0.00123525,-0.0019955,-0.000750375,-0.01266525,0.001746625,-0.00118625,0.00174725,-0.00209575
Bashkir,0.0898064,-0.1126224,0.0650155,0.0301036,-0.0378224,-0.0023985,0.0093299,0.010961,-0.0062175,-0.0191713,0.0015752,-0.0043461,0.0087561,-0.020382,-0.0064331,-0.0023996,-0.0007041,-0.0007855,-0.0028534,-0.0044271,-0.0078862,0.0012984,-0.0023541,0.0017351,-0.00097
Bashkir_Kugarchinsky,0.089920286,-0.11272357,0.066319429,0.029208429,-0.041326286,-0.0047808571,0.010105286,0.011340143,-0.0092328571,-0.017755143,0.0047555714,-0.0023978571,0.010958429,-0.019129571,-0.0032184286,-0.0069517143,-0.0072268571,-0.0010497143,-0.0040042857,-0.0018938571,-0.0082177143,0.0013777143,-0.0020777143,0.0012738571,-0.0042594286
Bashkir_Miyakinsky,0.095421833,-0.0495915,0.062790667,0.036875833,-0.022670833,0.0010691667,0.0087738333,0.011614833,-0.0082831667,-0.022263167,0.004168,-0.0065691667,0.0122645,-0.014450333,-0.0088445,-0.001171,0.0011735,-0.0013091667,-0.0049653333,-0.002647,-0.0035146667,0.0016486667,-0.0036563333,0.0004015,-0.00017966667


Tatar_Siberian_Buhar,0.077399333,-0.14454367,0.061847667,0.023579,-0.043905667,-0.01004,0.00752,0.010614667,-0.0053856667,-0.017373,-0.00097433333,-0.0060943333,0.010009667,-0.018533333,-0.005655,0.000265,-0.0039983333,-0.000084333333,-0.001173,-0.00371,-0.0043673333,0.003668,-0.0036973333,-0.0036146667,0.00095766667
Tatar_Siberian_Irtysh_Barabinsk,0.0745545,-0.195997,0.0678815,0.016473,-0.050163,-0.012132,0.013513,0.0179995,-0.0014315,-0.009567,0.008363,-0.00015,0.0118185,-0.0250475,-0.002443,0.0023205,0.0041725,-0.00057,-0.0018225,-0.0001875,-0.0093585,0.0068625,0.003266,0.0027715,-0.009161
Tatar_Siberian_Ishtyak_Toguz,0.082408,-0.1466424,0.0623006,0.0198322,-0.0449316,-0.009036,0.004982,0.0105226,-0.0063404,-0.016875,0.003118,-0.0041962,0.009752,-0.0230932,-0.0035286,-0.0033678,-0.0022686,-0.0029646,0.0004022,0.001851,-0.0057148,0.0013848,-0.0049792,-0.0000722,-0.0008144
Tatar_Siberian_Iskero-Tobolsk,0.0819528,-0.1517204,0.070446,0.024548,-0.0483782,-0.013833,0.0072382,0.0077072,-0.009817,-0.0170936,0.0017536,-0.0025478,0.0128444,-0.0218546,-0.009799,-0.0045346,-0.0028946,-0.000076,0.002338,0.0051274,-0.0071872,0.006059,-0.0029334,-0.0005302,-0.0004312
Tatar_Siberian_Tomsk,0.083091,-0.12948,0.059208,0.022933,-0.0278515,-0.0093425,0.011868,0.011884,-0.0091015,-0.0152165,-0.0064145,-0.0017985,0.0057235,-0.012868,-0.005632,0.0050385,-0.0012385,-0.004434,-0.0010055,0.00594,-0.0016845,0.003524,-0.0087505,0.00247,-0.0001795
Tatar_Siberian_Yalutorovsky,0.086885,-0.11373917,0.0654305,0.034345667,-0.039392,-0.0060891667,0.010340667,0.0087688333,-0.0053175,-0.019043833,0.0045198333,-0.003297,0.010976,-0.017638667,-0.0077813333,0.001326,-0.00032583333,0.001478,-0.0039385,-0.0020425,-0.010918333,0.0035035,-0.0014378333,0.0021488333,-0.00059883333

Or remove Sargat samples' Uralic admixture ?

[axlredneck]

Can you do it for Bashkirs or Siberian Tatars next, and remove their Uralic admixture ?

Alrighty!

NEXT THREAD: Bashkirs

[DomitiusAurelian]

Alrighty!

NEXT THREAD: Bashkirs

Adam ya

[DomitiusAurelian]

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.8685% / 0.02868522
41.4 Volga_Bulgar
39.2 Anatolian
17.2 Georgian
2.2 African

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.6876% / 0.02687629
46.2 Anatolian
28.8 Bulgar
23.0 Georgian
2.0 African

0.025 52% Serbia_Viminacium_Roman_elite_2.SG:R6750.SG + 48% Volga_Bulgar

0.027 65% Turkey_Hellenistic:I4472 + 35% Bulgar

Kanka senin DA kaç

[Demirkazık]

Kanka senin DA kaç

13 ama kullanılan örneklere göre -özellikle Doğu Avrasya'dan yemeyen- değişiyor, 10-15 arası. Dodecad K12b'de %13.25, Harappa'da %14.12, MDLP K23b'de %15.12 falan.

Normalde böyle:
0.022 54% Greek_Crete_Heraklion + 46% Turkmen
0.024 66% Greek_Cappadocia + 34% Bashkir

Çok basitinden model

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.2147% / 0.02214746
36.0 Greek_Cappadocia
21.8 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
21.4 Georgian_West
13.6 East_Asia
7.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.2473% / 0.02247329
54.2 Anatolian
21.0 Afanasievo
13.6 Slab_Grave
10.4 Caucasus
0.8 Noise

İşin gırgır şamatası 16. kromozomum %30 civarında Doğu Avrasyaya sahip

[DomitiusAurelian]

13 ama kullanılan örneklere göre -özellikle Doğu Avrasya'dan yemeyen- değişiyor, 10-15 arası. Dodecad K12b'de %13.25, Harappa'da %14.12, MDLP K23b'de %15.12 falan.

Normalde böyle:
0.022 54% Greek_Crete_Heraklion + 46% Turkmen
0.024 66% Greek_Cappadocia + 34% Bashkir

Çok basitinden model

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.2147% / 0.02214746
36.0 Greek_Cappadocia
21.8 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
21.4 Georgian_West
13.6 East_Asia
7.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.2473% / 0.02247329
54.2 Anatolian
21.0 Afanasievo
13.6 Slab_Grave
10.4 Caucasus
0.8 Noise

İşin gırgır şamatası 16. kromozomum %30 civarında Doğu Avrasyaya sahip

Güzel tam tahmin ettiğim gibi. 16. kromozom olayını anlamadım ne o?

[Ahmet]

Target: Ahmet(Real)
Distance: 3.4379% / 0.03437895
53.6 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBA
22.8 Caucasus
12.2 Bulgar
6.6 Chuvash_13
4.8 Slavic

Target: Ahmet(Without Southeast Asia)
Distance: 2.8649% / 0.02864873
53.2 Turkey_Arslantepe_EBA
22.8 Caucasus
12.0 Bulgar
8.2 Chuvash_13
3.8 Slavic

[Demirkazık]

Güzel tam tahmin ettiğim gibi. 16. kromozom olayını anlamadım ne o?

Kromozomların hepsini teker teker simüle ettim, EurogenesK36 ile sen de yapabilirsin.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370013-G25-coords-for-each-chromosome

[axlredneck]

New thread: Bashkirs on G25 (ancestry subtraction) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?376569-Bashkirs-on-G25-(ancestry-subtraction))

[Voskos]

Target:
Distance: 4.7049% / 0.04704894
73.0 Balkan
27.0 Caucasus

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/Vg9JzRd/IMG-20230908-163138.jpg

In light of this, it can be stated that Chuvash are Mari with a Bulgar superstrate, both in language and in genetics, while Tatars and Bashkirs are Bulgars mixed with Finno-Ugric folks and with a Kipchak superstrate in linguistics.

Thread: Volga Tatars on G25 (ancestry subtraction) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?376766-Volga-Tatars-on-G25-(ancestry-subtraction))

[axlredneck]

A new Chuvash sample on YFull under an Anatolian branch (brought by Bulgars):

https://i.ibb.co/kQdbnK7/IMG-20230912-213838.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3M1H0zd/IMG-20230912-213621.jpg