Bashkirs on G25 (ancestry subtraction)

[axlredneck]

https://youtu.be/O04Wbyqe3qQ

https://youtu.be/N_JPR64tHpY


Bashkirs are a Turkic ethnic group native to the Urals.

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/JHfKsdB/IMG-20230831-212012.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SxdwJXd/IMG-20230831-211941.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/nR9FjnM/IMG-20230831-211910.jpg

[axlredneck]

Bashkir,0.0905077,-0.1023064,0.0636604,0.0317582,-0.0361655,-0.0029868,0.0086423,0.0111657,-0.00764,-0.0200813,0.0029597,-0.0040367,0.00985,-0.0193027,-0.0050303,-0.0030067,-0.0026161,-0.0010626,-0.0033006,-0.0025617,-0.0083483,0.0014998,-0.0022424,0.001376,-0.0018503
Bulgar,0.0851428,-0.1177714,0.060512,0.0392199,-0.0336676,0.0024583,0.0038049,0.0057941,-0.0096525,-0.0194911,-0.013007,-0.002688,0.0028226,-0.0151264,0.0109506,0.0044592,-0.0053213,0.0000464,-0.0001995,0.004397,-0.0141485,0.0013073,-0.0024951,0.0001751,-0.0009057
Anatolian,0.1110432,0.1539504,-0.0332374,-0.0681344,0.0004379,-0.0249231,0.0007592,-0.006763,-0.0078545,0.0237608,0.0038379,0.0055768,-0.0095973,0.0012068,-0.0156574,-0.0045055,0.0081239,0.0015252,0.0051052,-0.0053078,-0.0047416,0.0027893,-0.0018155,0.0008597,0.0001382
Caucasus,0.1099221,0.1325347,-0.0575292,-0.048028,-0.0400868,-0.0080925,0.0127606,-0.0046857,-0.0669701,-0.0231982,0.0002645,0.013771,-0.0291554,0.0065563,0.0033111,-0.0265455,0.009434,-0.0057234,-0.0108322,0.0188397,0.0130435,0.002934,-0.0010488,-0.0092346,-0.00245
Finno-Ugric,0.0893087,-0.1483096,0.1077194,0.0620851,-0.0705204,-0.0178688,0.0098951,0.0153256,-0.0014721,-0.0348435,0.0466576,-0.007224,0.0243173,-0.0652615,-0.0277293,-0.0170301,-0.003673,-0.0008241,-0.0119237,-0.0172744,0.0010832,0.0186957,0.0016608,0.0008444,-0.0072595
Noise,2.169692328,-0.158774543,0.531514074,-4.415431857,5.13923735,1.442794825,3.154626155,4.0 24761192,1.927685033,1.112765647,-0.316165912,-1.239681437,3.453590489,6.712445057,-4.641336449,-0.506782303,1.057462631,-0.760513249,-0.063316703,-1.55174081,0.510055979,-4.288917852,-0.876176057,1.33690033,0.644256179
Late_Bulgar,0.088131953,-0.086876135,0.048329821,0.02757324,-0.031608328,5.02075E-05,0.004023897,0.00441861,-0.01228259,-0.016666476,-0.011199645,-0.001323123,0.000423344,-0.012950294,0.00873613,0.002346606,-0.003678655,-0.000128253,-0.000342267,0.004417411,-0.012188459,0.001488375,-0.002378403,-0.00022964,-0.000907451

https://i.ibb.co/YBfF6RS/IMG-20230831-141657.png

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/JHfKsdB/IMG-20230831-212012.jpg

Here's a comparison with the Magyar genetic breakdown:
https://i.ibb.co/1XJCn5F/IMG-20230831-210829.jpg

[axlredneck]

Bashkir Y-DNA (from Molgen)

40% R1a
20% R1b
20% N
15% I1, J2, J1, G2a, G1a
5% C3, O2, D

[Ahmet]

I got two different results with the same source.

Target: Ahmet
Distance: 3.1649% / 0.03164944
44.0 Caucasus
38.4 Anatolian
13.0 Late_Bulgar
4.4 Finno-Ugric
0.2 Noise


Target: Ahmet
Distance: 3.0967% / 0.03096735
47.2 Anatolian
35.8 Caucasus
17.0 Bashkir

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 5.5592% / 0.05559183
73.6 Anatolian
15.6 Late_Bulgar
10.6 Bashkir
0.2 Finno-Ugric

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 6.1858% / 0.06185764
72.8 Anatolian
14.6 Late_Bulgar
12.4 Bashkir
0.2 Finno-Ugric

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.6827% / 0.02682672
47.6 Anatolian
18.2 Bulgar
16.8 Caucasus
10.0 Bashkir
7.4 Late_Bulgar

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.7867% / 0.02786657
45.8 Anatolian
35.8 Bashkir
18.4 Caucasus

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.6982% / 0.02698194
49.0 Anatolian
34.2 Bulgar
16.8 Caucasus

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 2.6982% / 0.02698219
46.2 Anatolian
38.8 Late_Bulgar
15.0 Caucasus

[DomitiusAurelian]

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.5756% / 0.02575650
54.0 Anatolian
24.8 Bashkir
21.2 Caucasus

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.5749% / 0.02574912
54.4 Anatolian
26.8 Late_Bulgar
18.8 Caucasus

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.5750% / 0.02575007
56.2 Anatolian
23.8 Bulgar
20.0 Caucasus


Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 3.2073% / 0.03207337
57.4 Anatolian
23.8 Caucasus
18.8 Finno-Ugric

[axlredneck]

The Anatolian ancestry is from Crimea, and Caucasus ancestry is from the Saltovo-Mayaki culture.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwBbZXeUIM_Fku9LDs1webCDONaVb3D Fho-Q&usqp=CAU
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Bosporan_Kingdom_growth_map-en.svg/902px-Bosporan_Kingdom_growth_map-en.svg.png

[axlredneck]

https://i.ibb.co/SxdwJXd/IMG-20230831-211941.jpg


Finno-Ugric is not entirely Ugric but has some Volga Finn as well.

[axlredneck]

The Late_Bulgar base of Magyars:

Late_Bulgar,0.090103071,-0.076179583,0.047300658,0.025636665,-0.037828688,-0.003259931,0.003488367,0.003226763,-0.01417651,-0.016413122,-0.005045188,0.0006254,-0.001584019,-0.017437813,0.008513066,0.000661628,-0.003317052,-6.65452E-05,0.00064165,0.004772906,-0.009741537,0.000146306,-0.003373706,0.001382636,-0.001323538

[axlredneck]

https://youtu.be/zMCxGyoVDdc?si=b9aKmxRcTlkSTTqN

[axlredneck]

Bashkir Y-DNA (n=1380)

C - 1.95%
E - 0.22%
G - 1.74%
I1 - 3.62%
J2 - 3.04%
L - 0.22%
N - 19.42%
R1a - 40%
R1b - 26.3%
Others - 3.49%

[Voskos]

This is my results with all your sources + all the Greek ancients included.

Target:
Chebyshev distance: 1.6898% / 0.01689807
17.8 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean
17.4 Greece_Roman
15.8 Caucasus
11.4 Greece_Peloponnese_N_noUDG
7.6 Anatolian
5.8 Greece_Manika_Helladic_EBA.SG
5.4 Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
3.4 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG
3.2 Late_Bulgar
2.2 Bashkir
2.0 Greece_BA_Mycenaean_Pylos
1.8 Finno-Ugric
1.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
1.6 Greece_N
1.4 Bulgar
0.8 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
0.6 Greece_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA.SG

[axlredneck]

This is my results with all your sources + all the Greek ancients included.

Target:
Chebyshev distance: 1.6898% / 0.01689807
17.8 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean
17.4 Greece_Roman
15.8 Caucasus
11.4 Greece_Peloponnese_N_noUDG
7.6 Anatolian
5.8 Greece_Manika_Helladic_EBA.SG
5.4 Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
3.4 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG
3.2 Late_Bulgar
2.2 Bashkir
2.0 Greece_BA_Mycenaean_Pylos
1.8 Finno-Ugric
1.8 Greece_BA_Mycenaean
1.6 Greece_N
1.4 Bulgar
0.8 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
0.6 Greece_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA.SG

What's your ethnicity? Greek? Share your coordinates, and I'll model you with my models. If you're mixed, do specify.

[Voskos]

What's your ethnicity? Greek? Share your coordinates, and I'll model you with my models. If you're mixed, do specify.

Yes , Greek of fully Cretan ancestry. I've PMed you my coordinates in case.

Nice thread

[axlredneck]

Yes , Greek of fully Cretan ancestry. I've PMed you my coordinates in case.

Nice thread

Your simulated coordinates give off results, but when you have your real coordinates, I'll subtract your ancestry and make it worthy of a thread.

https://i.ibb.co/nz3sJ0h/IMG-20230902-191705.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZBH6dKJ/IMG-20230902-191648.jpg

Other Islanders:
https://i.ibb.co/RQXDKf2/IMG-20230902-181052.jpg

Mainlanders:
https://i.ibb.co/6skcvPb/IMG-20230902-181945.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Rvxm8st/IMG-20230902-181929.jpg

[axlredneck]

Nice thread
From PM: Thanks for interesting threads/contributions.


I'm glad that you like 'em. 🥲😀

[Voskos]

Your simulated coordinates give off results, but when you have your real coordinates, I'll subtract your ancestry and make it worthy of a thread.

https://i.ibb.co/nz3sJ0h/IMG-20230902-191705.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZBH6dKJ/IMG-20230902-191648.jpg

Other Islanders:
https://i.ibb.co/RQXDKf2/IMG-20230902-181052.jpg

Mainlanders:
https://i.ibb.co/6skcvPb/IMG-20230902-181945.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Rvxm8st/IMG-20230902-181929.jpg


Very good models man.

Thanks for taking the time, this is very kind.

[axlredneck]

Very good models man.

Thanks for taking the time, this is very kind.

You'll receive the coordinates of the models in future threads of that nature.

[Dušan]

My autosomal model, thank you axlredneck! :thumb001:




https://i.ibb.co/mN9313f/IMG-20230903-165223.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/0JpqFXR/IMG-20230903-165240.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/bm5Kpk0/IMG-20230903-165318.jpg

[Ugo]

You'll receive the coordinates of the models in future threads of that nature.
Great job. Please make me a model too. I sent you the coordinates in private messages.

[axlredneck]

Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Central-Inner Asian and Srubnaya origin in the conquering Hungarians (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920)


Our results show that the Conquerors assembled from various nomadic groups of the Eurasian steppe. Population genetic results indicate that they had closest connection to the Onogur-Bulgar ancestors of Volga Tatars. Phylogenetic results reveal that more than one third of the Conqueror maternal lineages were derived from Central-Inner Asia and their most probable ultimate sources were the Asian Scythians and Asian Huns, giving support to the Hungarian Hun tradition. The rest of the lineages most likely originated from the Bronze Age Potapovka-Poltavka-Srubnaya cultures of the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Available data imply that the Conquerors did not have a major contribution to the gene pool of the Carpathian Basin.

Volga Bulgars were one of the few groups which had the same partial horse burial customs [54] and similar grave goods as the Conquerors. Both groups are characterized by similar anthropological types [55], and practiced identical symbolic trepanation customs [56] which is documented with such a high frequency just among the related Danube Bulgars [57]. Historical data link both groups to the Onogurs [58], the Conquerors must have belonged to the Onogur tribal union, as the name “Hungarian” is derived from “Onogur” [5,59].

Taken together the direct genetic relation of the Conquerors to Onogur-Bulgar ancestors of Volga Tatars is very feasible.

[axlredneck]

Bulgar Y-lines in Hungarians and neighbors

N-A9407 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-A9407): Hungarians, Bosniak and a Croat
Q-YP789 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP789/): Hungarians and Poles
R-FGC56440 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC56440/): Hungarians and a Czech
R-ARP5 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-ARP5/): Hungarians
R-Y184884 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y184884/): Slovak
J-Z43321 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z43321/): Pole
R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/): Poles

[Ilnur]

Incredibly, I have never seen the coordinates of the Bulgars anywhere from research before.

[Ilnur]

Bashkir,0.0905077,-0.1023064,0.0636604,0.0317582,-0.0361655,-0.0029868,0.0086423,0.0111657,-0.00764,-0.0200813,0.0029597,-0.0040367,0.00985,-0.0193027,-0.0050303,-0.0030067,-0.0026161,-0.0010626,-0.0033006,-0.0025617,-0.0083483,0.0014998,-0.0022424,0.001376,-0.0018503
Bulgar,0.0851428,-0.1177714,0.060512,0.0392199,-0.0336676,0.0024583,0.0038049,0.0057941,-0.0096525,-0.0194911,-0.013007,-0.002688,0.0028226,-0.0151264,0.0109506,0.0044592,-0.0053213,0.0000464,-0.0001995,0.004397,-0.0141485,0.0013073,-0.0024951,0.0001751,-0.0009057
Anatolian,0.1110432,0.1539504,-0.0332374,-0.0681344,0.0004379,-0.0249231,0.0007592,-0.006763,-0.0078545,0.0237608,0.0038379,0.0055768,-0.0095973,0.0012068,-0.0156574,-0.0045055,0.0081239,0.0015252,0.0051052,-0.0053078,-0.0047416,0.0027893,-0.0018155,0.0008597,0.0001382
Caucasus,0.1099221,0.1325347,-0.0575292,-0.048028,-0.0400868,-0.0080925,0.0127606,-0.0046857,-0.0669701,-0.0231982,0.0002645,0.013771,-0.0291554,0.0065563,0.0033111,-0.0265455,0.009434,-0.0057234,-0.0108322,0.0188397,0.0130435,0.002934,-0.0010488,-0.0092346,-0.00245
Finno-Ugric,0.0893087,-0.1483096,0.1077194,0.0620851,-0.0705204,-0.0178688,0.0098951,0.0153256,-0.0014721,-0.0348435,0.0466576,-0.007224,0.0243173,-0.0652615,-0.0277293,-0.0170301,-0.003673,-0.0008241,-0.0119237,-0.0172744,0.0010832,0.0186957,0.0016608,0.0008444,-0.0072595
Noise,2.169692328,-0.158774543,0.531514074,-4.415431857,5.13923735,1.442794825,3.154626155,4.0 24761192,1.927685033,1.112765647,-0.316165912,-1.239681437,3.453590489,6.712445057,-4.641336449,-0.506782303,1.057462631,-0.760513249,-0.063316703,-1.55174081,0.510055979,-4.288917852,-0.876176057,1.33690033,0.644256179
Late_Bulgar,0.088131953,-0.086876135,0.048329821,0.02757324,-0.031608328,5.02075E-05,0.004023897,0.00441861,-0.01228259,-0.016666476,-0.011199645,-0.001323123,0.000423344,-0.012950294,0.00873613,0.002346606,-0.003678655,-0.000128253,-0.000342267,0.004417411,-0.012188459,0.001488375,-0.002378403,-0.00022964,-0.000907451

https://i.ibb.co/YBfF6RS/IMG-20230831-141657.png
Axlredneck, please share the coordinates (Vahaduo G25): Magyar_Early_Bulgar, Magyar_Late_Bulgar, Volga_Tatar_Late_Bulgar, Rus_Nomad_MA:Bulgar?
Do you know the scientific research in which your Bulgarian samples were published?

[Leto]

So the Bulgars were supposedly 35-40% East Eurasian/Mongoloid and over 50% Steppe (my Central Asian model)

Target: Bulgar
Distance: 1.7146% / 0.01714597
55.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
33.4 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
5.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
2.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.6 CHN_Yellow_River_LN
1.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C

Target: Late_Bulgar
Distance: 1.2069% / 0.01206918
52.8 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
29.4 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
8.8 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
4.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
2.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
2.0 CHN_Yellow_River_LN