Is GEDmatch database a bogus?

[reboun]

I started to think that GEDmatch database is a bogus. The reason for this is, there is no explanation on anywhere how the database is obtained. Also, some populations' diversity is not as high as expected in GEDmatch database. Therefore, I started to think that GEDmatch database is not from real people but generated by the site owners.

[reboun]

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[princeton90]

Gedmatch is only a software which helps you to compare individual DNA results with the database of some projects such as Dodecad, Euregenes, HarappaWorld and etc. Those projects obtain their database in the end of long-lasting researches but I also don't know the details.

[K1genetics]

Hi. I'm curious to see your results. Turkish with Bosnian Herzegowina ancestry. I met turks before who had Albanian Bosnian roots, like a parent or grandmother.

Generally it's common to have Bosnian and Albanian admixture in Turks. But the wast majority of turks are not directly from Bosnians and Albanians. I mean there are maybe 50 milion turks. I'm also suprised how we from the Balkan seem to not have picked up more Turkish ancestry in those 400 years of the ottoman Empire. I'm from Herzegowina btw. I do have 9% West Asian, which is very common. Even Germans have it.

Sounds like you're results were very unexpected judging by your reaction.

[K1genetics]

I don't understand how your ancestry is Bosnia Herzegowina but your ethnicity is turkish ? Are you Bosanac or turak ? Do you speak Bosnian ? Are your parents from Bosnia or from Turkey ? I don't fully understand. If you are Bosnian genetically your results should look at least halfway similar to mine. I'm Croatian from Herzegowina.

[Peceneg]

I started to think that GEDmatch database is a bogus. The reason for this is, there is no explanation on anywhere how the database is obtained. Also, some populations' diversity is not as high as expected in GEDmatch database. Therefore, I started to think that GEDmatch database is not from real people but generated by the site owners.

We live in a world full of lies.

[reboun]

I don't understand how your ancestry is Bosnia Herzegowina but your ethnicity is turkish ? Are you Bosanac or turak ? Do you speak Bosnian ? Are your parents from Bosnia or from Turkey ? I don't fully understand. If you are Bosnian genetically your results should look at least halfway similar to mine. I'm Croatian from Herzegowina.

My parents are Turks from Bosnia. At least, this is what I have been told. When I am asked where I am from, I say I am from İstanbul, since I was born and grew up there. When I am asked where I am originally from, I say I am originally from Bosnia Herzegovina.

[K1genetics]

Turks from Bosnia. That's not from the osman Empire. So do you know your percentages like west Asian Mediterranean North Atlantic Baltic ? Do your parents speak any Bosnian ?

Pozdrav

[reboun]

Turks from Bosnia. That's not from the osman Empire. So do you know your percentages like west Asian Mediterranean North Atlantic Baltic ? Do your parents speak any Bosnian ?

Pozdrav

My mother and her parents can speak a little bit of Bosnian. My father's parents can also.

I have not taken a DNA test. I used to think of getting one but I gave up because of three reasons:
- I started to think it might be a waste of privacy (see https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/dna-testing-kits-risks-privacy/)
- It is too expensive for me.
- The last, but not the least; the results on GEDmatch is not accurate, at least for my ethnicity. To be more clear, almost all samples of Turkish people on GEDmatch are in the West Asian cluster. However, Turks do not have a single cluster thanks to our genetic diversity.

Pozdrav

[K1genetics]

My mother and her parents can speak a little bit of Bosnian. My father's parents can also.

I have not taken a DNA test. I used to think of getting one but I gave up because of three reasons:
- I started to think it might be a waste of privacy (see https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/dna-testing-kits-risks-privacy/)
- It is too expensive for me.
- The last, but not the least; the results on GEDmatch is not accurate, at least for my ethnicity. To be more clear, almost all samples of Turkish people on GEDmatch are in the West Asian cluster. However, Turks do not have a single cluster thanks to our genetic diversity.

Pozdrav


Bro nobody got a single cluster. I got 9% West Asian. Turks probably have high west Asian. There is no unique nationality gene. Countries are based of how much of what they have. Croatians and Bosnians got highest Baltic, then Mediterranean, then Nord athlantic then west Asian. A tiny bit Semitic and random low % of Asian / Siberia.

Oh so they do speak Bosnian. Yeah you're probably part Bosnian. I'm from Herzegowina and we don't got any turks. Maybe Bosnia does. Maybe you're parents are full bosnians and you are now half Turkish or even predominantly Bosnian. Def sounds like you are part Bosnian.

[Petalpusher]

They use the same dataset than in studies, HGDP mainly, etc...

https://cephb.fr/en/hgdp_panel.php


The diversity of Turks is well documented but they are not gonna make 40 regional samples and diaspora just for Turks. Ranges from being Bulgarian-like to Iranian-like, the average is just that, an average in between the two extremes whilst the core population is solidly in the West Asian cluster. Most of it is the result of melting pot as the region became a cross road of continents at some point and large drifts due to inbreeding (those red dots going down/up on the pca are the result of that)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZKVhYRN/turkd1.png

[Narration]

The last, but not the least; the results on GEDmatch is not accurate, at least for my ethnicity. To be more clear, almost all samples of Turkish people on GEDmatch are in the West Asian cluster. However, Turks do not have a single cluster thanks to our genetic diversity.

Pozdrav

Yes, Anatolia has received a lot of migration and it still does. However, those migrants (be them Oghuz Turks from Western Central Asia, Circassians from North Caucasus, Albanians and Bosniaks from Western Balkans, Jews and Arabs from Levant) usually mixed with native Anatolians such as Hittites, Ionians, Lydians and etc, who were all in the West Asian autosomal cluster. Therefore, it is not a surprise that ethnic Turks from Turkey are predominantly West Asian by DNA. I know there are many unmixed individuals from recent migrations but they cannot be included in Turkish averages even if they claim Turkish ancestry and identify as such. Otherwise, the situation would not be different from the following scenario:

A Turkish person living in Germany, citizen of Germany and identify as German takes an autosomal test, decide to donate her results to some DNA project but expects her results to be labelled as German.

[Voskos]

Yes, Anatolia has received a lot of migration and it still does. However, those migrants (be them Oghuz Turks from Western Central Asia, Circassians from North Caucasus, Albanians and Bosniaks from Western Balkans, Jews and Arabs from Levant) usually mixed with native Anatolians such as Hittites, Ionians, Lydians and etc, who were all in the West Asian autosomal cluster. Therefore, it is not a surprise that ethnic Turks from Turkey are predominantly West Asian by DNA. I know there are many unmixed individuals from recent migrations but they cannot be included in Turkish averages even if they claim Turkish ancestry and identify as such. Otherwise, the situation would not be different from the following scenario:

A Turkish person living in Germany, citizen of Germany and identify as German takes an autosomal test, decide to donate her results to some DNA project but expects her results to be labelled as German.

Ionians were not West Asian .Turks are more like Turkmen-Anatolians-West Asians with a Greek shift.

[Narration]

Ionians were not West Asian .Turks are more like Turkmen-Anatolians-West Asians with a Greek shift.

Yes, Ionians were more Eastern South European like, right?

[Voskos]

Yes, Ionians were more Eastern South European like, right?

Yes I think so.


Before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion [...] the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all.

[reboun]

Turks are more like Turkmen-Anatolians-West Asians with a Greek shift.

No, you cannot generalize Turkish people's genetics. There is no such things as being "genetically Turkish".

[Abti]

" Is GEDmatch database a bogus? "

Yes. A bogus.

Try yourdnaportal.

Gedmatch is pretty sus.

[DrWh033]

Hi. I'm curious to see your results. Turkish with Bosnian Herzegowina ancestry. I met turks before who had Albanian Bosnian roots, like a parent or grandmother.

Generally it's common to have Bosnian and Albanian admixture in Turks. But the wast majority of turks are not directly from Bosnians and Albanians. I mean there are maybe 50 milion turks. I'm also suprised how we from the Balkan seem to not have picked up more Turkish ancestry in those 400 years of the ottoman Empire. I'm from Herzegowina btw. I do have 9% West Asian, which is very common. Even Germans have it.

Sounds like you're results were very unexpected judging by your reaction.

It is impossible for a balkan turk ( who converted in islam willingly as in the case of bosnians and albanians) to have any turkic ( i.e central asian dna). So I do not understand why you are surprised. The west asian component refers to anatolia and other nearby areas ( like north syria, iran, caucasus armenia etc) which were never dominated by turkic populations ( not even during the peak of the ottoman empire).

Have you met a balkan turkish person with central asian dna ?

[DrWh033]

There were multiple greeks of the ionian tribe who founded cities and lived in the west coast of anatolia for millenia ( some of them even up untill the population exchange). The cities along the coast of anatolia were named ionian for a reason you know ( and were burned by the persians because they rose against them and asked for help from athens ( ionian) which ignited the persian wars

[Thracian]

It is impossible for a balkan turk ( who converted in islam willingly as in the case of bosnians and albanians) to have any turkic ( i.e central asian dna). So I do not understand why you are surprised. The west asian component refers to anatolia and other nearby areas ( like north syria, iran, caucasus armenia etc) which were never dominated by turkic populations ( not even during the peak of the ottoman empire).

Have you met a balkan turkish person with central asian dna ?

Bosnians and Albanians are not Balkan Turks.

We ethnic Balkan Turks have Central Asian DNA. My Mongoloid DNA reaches 3% while many others here score way more. I and many others in this forum posted our results many times.

[Thracian]

It is impossible for a balkan turk ( who converted in islam willingly as in the case of bosnians and albanians) to have any turkic ( i.e central asian dna). So I do not understand why you are surprised. The west asian component refers to anatolia and other nearby areas ( like north syria, iran, caucasus armenia etc) which were never dominated by turkic populations ( not even during the peak of the ottoman empire).

Have you met a balkan turkish person with central asian dna ?

Bosnians and Albanians are not Balkan Turks.

We ethnic Balkan Turks have Central Asian DNA. My Mongoloid DNA reaches 3% while many others here score way more. I and many others in this forum posted our results many times.