hg J origin in Europe.

[Abti]

There is basal IJ that may have been J* upstream in an WHG sample. Long before arrival of ANE west of the Urals.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all. This WHG-like pop may have trekked with or diverged from the one in Europe. In the Transcaucasian area in a movement that probably resembled a crescent that projected into Europe and explanation for a J* in an EHG sample.

[Abti]

So, to put it bluntly. J is more a European than R.

[dviz]

So, to put it bluntly. J is more a European than R.

Yes, it is. South Europeans are 2 thirds Middle Eastern and 1 third Central Asian, and North Europeans are half Middle Eastern and half (Central and North) Asian.

I haplo, the original Europeans, have in fact migrated from the Middle East.

R is the brother of Q, the haplo of all native Americans, and the cousin of O and N (East Asian and Siberian, respectively).

This sounds a bit trollish, but it's not.

[Abti]

……

@dviz what is your hg?

:D

[dviz]

……

@dviz what is your hg?

:D

I've never tested, and I don't plan to - for privacy reasons.

[Impaler]

My J subclade has Caucasian origins. It's prevalent among Chechen/Ingush people.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y18824/

[Ugo]

The J of modern Europeans is not a European, but a relatively modern Middle Eastern migrant who has not passed the European path.

[Hektor12]

The J of modern Europeans is not a European, but a relatively modern Middle Eastern migrant who has not passed the European path.

This european/middle eastern division attempts are so cringe.

[Ugo]

This european/middle eastern division attempts are so cringe.
Why do you need Europe?

[Miko]

Haplogroup J is close enough to haplogroup I, even though J has evolved mainly outside of Europe.

It's different from haplogroup O or Q to hgs N and R respectively. The former are highly differentited from the latter.
But they also were "European" (we say European because it's the name of the civilization that has changed the least).

Pretty much all men in the world are 'White men'. Only black men have hundreds of millions in their haplogroup and they could be ascribed to a 'brown/black haplogroup'.

[Nurzat]

my J hg could be Jewish - I saw it's in some Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, quite localized, which could point to a common thread to unite them all, which could be Jewish, who knows. although it does seem to follow a path north of the Black Sea, Caucasus to East Slavs to West Slavs to Germanics, and not south of the Black Sea, so maybe Khazars? no clue. I've inherited it through a Ukrainian-speaking line

[Abti]

my J hg could be Jewish - I saw it's in some Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, quite localized, which could point to a common thread to unite them all, which could be Jewish, who knows. although it does seem to follow a path north of the Black Sea, Caucasus to East Slavs to West Slavs to Germanics, and not south of the Black Sea, so maybe Khazars? no clue. I've inherited it through a Ukrainian-speaking line
No Y-dna is Jewish (except for certain clusters). All that matters for Jewish ancestry is the matrilineal line. Even then most Jewish haplotypes come out of Iranian, Indo-Hittite, & Celtic clusters of R1a-Z93, R1b-L23, & R-P312 clades of R and possibly including the clade of R2-M124 which probably was picked up in the Sumerian culture.

[Abti]

R men go back to Asia.