Why Don't We Make Cars Like This Any More??

[Your Old Comrade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFfAuL5X9qg

Jack goes for a drive in an old Citroën that's really neither old, nor a Citroën. The creation of Bristol-based 2CV shop, 'Evie' is brand-new electric delivery van, and a masterclass in lightweight simplicity. Could this charming van offer a valuable lesson or two to modern carmakers?

00:00 Intro
01:32 Meet Evie!
03:46 2CV history
04:27 The party piece
05:11 Built to order
07:40 The joy of simplicity
08:46 Interior
10:52 Speed run
11:18 Charging
12:31 Cargo area
12:50 How much?

[Gallop]

For appearances.

[Victor]

For appearances.

90s and early 2000s cars have top appearances. Of popular, not luxury cars I'd mention Old Honda Civic, Mazda 3, VW Golf, Audi A series (its design does not look outdated even now) and many more of them.

Now everything looks the same, both on American, European and Asian market including Chinese.

[coolfrenchguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viLT33-uW2E

[Gallop]

90s and early 2000s cars have top appearances. Of popular, not luxury cars I'd mention Old Honda Civic, Mazda 3, VW Golf, Audi A series (its design does not look outdated even now) and many more of them.

Now everything looks the same, both on American, European and Asian market including Chinese.

There are always people who like retro but companies are not thinking about this type of customer, nothing stagnates, everything moves forward, also the automotive industry.

[frankhammer]

I would rather see a morris minor ute and panel van come back. A real British classic. The 2cv didn’t gain any traction here.

[NSXD60]

Looks like a compact military troop carrier with styling added, but I look for longevity and dependability as was present in 90s Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas, real keepers as used cars at one time.

[coolfrenchguy]

Looks like a compact military troop carrier with styling added, but I look for longevity and dependability as was present in 90s Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas, real keepers as used cars at one time.

about Nissan :

nypost.com (https://nypost.com/2023/09/06/nissan-kia-collect-data-about-drivers-sexual-activity/) Nissan, Kia can collect data on drivers’ ‘sexual activity’ and ‘sex lives’: privacy watchdog Social Links for Ariel Zilber
Your car may be keeping tabs on your “sex drive.”
Car makers Nissan and Kia can collect data on their drivers’ “sexual activity” and “sex lives” — and may sell the info to third-party advertisers, according to a shocking study by an internet privacy watchdog.
The creepy collection of personal information by the two auto companies earned them failing grades from The Mozilla Foundation (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark), maker of the Firefox web browser, which ran privacy checks on 25 car brands.
“Nissan does not knowingly collect or disclose consumer information on sexual activity or sexual orientation,” a company spokesperson told The Post.
“Some state laws require us to account for inadvertent data collection or information that could be inferred from other data, such as geolocation.”
“For employees, some voluntarily disclose information such as sexual orientation, but it is not required and we do not disclose it without consent,” the spokesperson for Nissan added.
The foundation said most car companies can comb through a variety of sources (https://nypost.com/2018/11/29/in-china-your-car-may-be-spying-on-you-for-the-government/) to glean personal information about drivers after they pair their smartphones with a vehicle’s connected services.
“This invasive harvesting of information is collected via a web of sensors, microphones, cameras and the phones, apps, and connected services you use in your vehicle,” according to Mozilla Foundation.
The car firms can then take that data and sell it to or share it with vendors, insurance companies and others, according to watchdog.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030286204.jpg?w=1024Nissan collects customers’ personal data about their “sexual activity,” according to the company’s official privacy policy.REUTERS“There’s a lot of ambiguity around how car companies collect these data points, and that is the problem,” Kevin Zawacki, a spokesperson for Mozilla Foundation, told The Post.
“It’s nearly impossible for consumers to really know how all their data is collected.”
Zawacki said that Mozilla Foundation reached out to Nissan for specifics on how it collects data. Nissan didn’t respond, according to Zawacki.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030285663.jpg?w=1024Kia, the Korean automaker, acknowledges that it intercepts information about people’s “sex lives.”REUTERSOf the 25 car brands that were reviewed, Nissan’s privacy policy “is probably the most mind boggling creepy, scary, sad, messed up privacy policy we have ever read,” according to Mozilla Foundation.
“Here’s why: They come right out and say they can collect and share your sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic information and other sensitive personal information for targeted marketing purposes,” the foundation wrote (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/nissan/).
On Nissan’s official web page outlining its privacy policy (https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html), the Japan-based company said that it collects drivers’ “sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.”
The company said that its “sources for collection” include “direct contact with users and Nissan employees.”
Zawacki told The Post that data collection via “direct contact with users and Nissan employees” just “raises more questions than answers.”
Nissan said that the goal of the data collection is “to provide connected vehicle services that might utilize or rely on geolocation data, facilitate more targeted marketing, as well as for internal reporting and analytics purposes, and for other purposes in the ordinary course of employment or the provision of other services according to the terms that govern those programs.”
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030286758.jpg?w=1024The privacy watchdog Mozilla Foundation ranked Kia among the worst offenders when it comes to safeguarding user data.REUTERSThe Post has sought comment from Nissan.
Kia, the Korean auto giant, also acknowledged on its web site (https://www.kia.com/us/en/privacy) that it collects “sensitive personal information” such as “racial or ethnic origin,” “religious or philosophical beliefs,” “health, sex life or sexual orientation information,” and “genetic data.”
In a statement to The Post, a Kia spokesperson said: “While we may collect certain types of personal information, including ‘sensitive personal information’ as defined by the California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 (the “CCPA”), not all types of personal or sensitive personal information are collected by us — as stated in our privacy policy.”
“Whether certain information is collected by us depends on the context in which a consumer interacts with us,” the Kia spokesperson said.
“To clarify, Kia does not and has never collected “sex life or sexual orientation” information from vehicles or consumers in the context of providing the Kia Connect Services.”
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000013628231.jpg?w=1024A spokesperson for Stellantis, the parent company of the Chrysler brand, pushed back on the Mozilla Foundation report.APMozilla Foundation also flagged other car companies such as Chrysler, Chevrolet, Toyota, Audi, Jeep, and Honda for “brazenly collecting deeply personal information from the moment they get into a car.”
A spokesperson for Chrysler’s parent company, Stellantis, told The Post: “Multiple claims in this (Mozilla Foundation) document are incorrect as they relate to Stellantis Brands.”
“We carefully and diligently consider data privacy and act accordingly,” the spokesperson said.
“Customers with questions may call our customer care center.”
Mozilla Foundation accused Chrysler of collecting user data including “immigration status, race, facial expression, genetic information using biometrics.”
“That is a false statement,” the Stellantis spokesperson told The Post.
A spokesperson for GM said the company “takes data privacy very seriously and (is) committed to safeguarding personal information.”
“For every GM vehicle, before any connected vehicle services are activated and before any data is ever collected, the vehicle owner must accept the OnStar Terms & Conditions and Privacy Statement. These detail our data practices and are available online for consumers to review before they even walk into a dealership.”
The Post has sought comment from the automakers dinged by Mozilla.

[NSXD60]

about Nissan :

nypost.com (https://nypost.com/2023/09/06/nissan-kia-collect-data-about-drivers-sexual-activity/) Nissan, Kia can collect data on drivers’ ‘sexual activity’ and ‘sex lives’: privacy watchdog Social Links for Ariel Zilber
Your car may be keeping tabs on your “sex drive.”
Car makers Nissan and Kia can collect data on their drivers’ “sexual activity” and “sex lives” — and may sell the info to third-party advertisers, according to a shocking study by an internet privacy watchdog.
The creepy collection of personal information by the two auto companies earned them failing grades from The Mozilla Foundation (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark), maker of the Firefox web browser, which ran privacy checks on 25 car brands.
“Nissan does not knowingly collect or disclose consumer information on sexual activity or sexual orientation,” a company spokesperson told The Post.
“Some state laws require us to account for inadvertent data collection or information that could be inferred from other data, such as geolocation.”
“For employees, some voluntarily disclose information such as sexual orientation, but it is not required and we do not disclose it without consent,” the spokesperson for Nissan added.
The foundation said most car companies can comb through a variety of sources (https://nypost.com/2018/11/29/in-china-your-car-may-be-spying-on-you-for-the-government/) to glean personal information about drivers after they pair their smartphones with a vehicle’s connected services.
“This invasive harvesting of information is collected via a web of sensors, microphones, cameras and the phones, apps, and connected services you use in your vehicle,” according to Mozilla Foundation.
The car firms can then take that data and sell it to or share it with vendors, insurance companies and others, according to watchdog.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030286204.jpg?w=1024Nissan collects customers’ personal data about their “sexual activity,” according to the company’s official privacy policy.REUTERS“There’s a lot of ambiguity around how car companies collect these data points, and that is the problem,” Kevin Zawacki, a spokesperson for Mozilla Foundation, told The Post.
“It’s nearly impossible for consumers to really know how all their data is collected.”
Zawacki said that Mozilla Foundation reached out to Nissan for specifics on how it collects data. Nissan didn’t respond, according to Zawacki.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030285663.jpg?w=1024Kia, the Korean automaker, acknowledges that it intercepts information about people’s “sex lives.”REUTERSOf the 25 car brands that were reviewed, Nissan’s privacy policy “is probably the most mind boggling creepy, scary, sad, messed up privacy policy we have ever read,” according to Mozilla Foundation.
“Here’s why: They come right out and say they can collect and share your sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic information and other sensitive personal information for targeted marketing purposes,” the foundation wrote (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/nissan/).
On Nissan’s official web page outlining its privacy policy (https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html), the Japan-based company said that it collects drivers’ “sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.”
The company said that its “sources for collection” include “direct contact with users and Nissan employees.”
Zawacki told The Post that data collection via “direct contact with users and Nissan employees” just “raises more questions than answers.”
Nissan said that the goal of the data collection is “to provide connected vehicle services that might utilize or rely on geolocation data, facilitate more targeted marketing, as well as for internal reporting and analytics purposes, and for other purposes in the ordinary course of employment or the provision of other services according to the terms that govern those programs.”
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000030286758.jpg?w=1024The privacy watchdog Mozilla Foundation ranked Kia among the worst offenders when it comes to safeguarding user data.REUTERSThe Post has sought comment from Nissan.
Kia, the Korean auto giant, also acknowledged on its web site (https://www.kia.com/us/en/privacy) that it collects “sensitive personal information” such as “racial or ethnic origin,” “religious or philosophical beliefs,” “health, sex life or sexual orientation information,” and “genetic data.”
In a statement to The Post, a Kia spokesperson said: “While we may collect certain types of personal information, including ‘sensitive personal information’ as defined by the California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 (the “CCPA”), not all types of personal or sensitive personal information are collected by us — as stated in our privacy policy.”
“Whether certain information is collected by us depends on the context in which a consumer interacts with us,” the Kia spokesperson said.
“To clarify, Kia does not and has never collected “sex life or sexual orientation” information from vehicles or consumers in the context of providing the Kia Connect Services.”
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/NYPICHPDPICT000013628231.jpg?w=1024A spokesperson for Stellantis, the parent company of the Chrysler brand, pushed back on the Mozilla Foundation report.APMozilla Foundation also flagged other car companies such as Chrysler, Chevrolet, Toyota, Audi, Jeep, and Honda for “brazenly collecting deeply personal information from the moment they get into a car.”
A spokesperson for Chrysler’s parent company, Stellantis, told The Post: “Multiple claims in this (Mozilla Foundation) document are incorrect as they relate to Stellantis Brands.”
“We carefully and diligently consider data privacy and act accordingly,” the spokesperson said.
“Customers with questions may call our customer care center.”
Mozilla Foundation accused Chrysler of collecting user data including “immigration status, race, facial expression, genetic information using biometrics.”
“That is a false statement,” the Stellantis spokesperson told The Post.
A spokesperson for GM said the company “takes data privacy very seriously and (is) committed to safeguarding personal information.”
“For every GM vehicle, before any connected vehicle services are activated and before any data is ever collected, the vehicle owner must accept the OnStar Terms & Conditions and Privacy Statement. These detail our data practices and are available online for consumers to review before they even walk into a dealership.”
The Post has sought comment from the automakers dinged by Mozilla.
Nissan was sold to Renault in 2000 who ruined it by putting in an easily damaged CVT transmission, a bumpy driveshaft and suspension, plus a brittle dashboard, totally inferior to 90s Nissans.