Classify a man

[Flashball]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5H8_mJXAAAPysg?format=jpg&name=large

Young:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3qFWDrXUAAdMG3?format=png&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3qFeAYWEAA2bG2?format=jpg&name=small
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2023/37/1/1694441007-55.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3qFy6qXEAEviXe?format=jpg&name=large
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2023/37/1/1694440801-photo-2023-04-30-20-01-555.jpg

[Xacal]

Norid

[Flashball]

Norid

Thanks.

[Roy]

Dinarid

[Hungarian_master]

Dinarid.

[Flashball]

Dinarid

Thanks.
Where would you say he’s from? You can specify the specific region, not just the country

[Voskos]

Corded Nordid + Alpine.

[Flashball]

Corded Nordid + Alpine.

Thanks.
Where would you say he’s from? You can specify the specific region, not just the country

[omidjahan]

Thanks.
Where would you say he’s from? You can specify the specific region, not just the country

italy?

[Flashball]

italy?

Not very precise, but no he does not come from the North, nor the Center, nor the South of Italy.

[omidjahan]

Not very precise, but no he does not come from the North, nor the Center, nor the South of Italy.

swarthy irish?

[Voskos]

Thanks.
Where would you say he’s from? You can specify the specific region, not just the country

Southern Netherlands, Western Germany, Northern France, Southern Belgium.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Predominantly Dinaric with mediterranean/atlantid influence. His skull is not purely dinaric, the head lenght is greater so not sure if he is even brachycephalic and the occiput is not flattened.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Thanks.
Where would you say he’s from? You can specify the specific region, not just the country

Looks very italic, since you said he is not italian I would guess him as from Corsica or from a region of France bordering Italy. Swiss italian maybe.

[Flashball]

Southern Netherlands, Western Germany, Northern France, Southern Belgium.

He is a native of the village of Villemur-sur-Tarn in Haute-Garonne in the South West of France, but to be honest he could very well have been from the South East as well as from the Center and North West

I specify that this is the ancestor of the mother (totally French from the southwest, notably Haute-Garonne and Tarn-et-Garonne, without any Spanish or other ancestor) of my friend and that the other ancestors of his mother does not have a very different phenotype
I even compared (via Myheritage, Geneanet, etc.) the phenotypes from 1870 to 1930 of the natives (genealogical criteria: 8 great-grandparents from the same area) from Haute-Garonne and Tarn-et-Garonne, and the phenotypes of my friend's maternal family, of which this man, is not the “exception” but the generality.


Villemur-sur-Tarn
https://www.cartes-2-france.com/C2F/france/31/Villemur-sur-Tarn/Departements/carte-Departements-Villemur-sur-Tarn-1000px.jpg

The French people in old photos don't seem very different from each other, phenotypically speaking, that's what I've noticed anyway.

[Flashball]

Looks very italic, since you said he is not italian I would guess him as from Corsica or from a region of France bordering Italy. Swiss italian maybe.

Quite distant.

French from the South-West (Haute-Garonne).

But I think you would have said the same thing if I had shared with you photos of Northern French people with large pseudo-Balkan European noses (common among older generations of Northern French people, from certain villages).

The same terms/classifications always appear for any photo from 1850 to 1930 of a French individual from any region of France (North, South, Center, West, East): dinaric, atlanto-dinaric, atlanto-med dinaric , alpino dinarique atlantomed, etc.

And I think that's normal: between 1850 and 1930, there was a sort of "pan-French" phenotype almost everywhere in France, without saying that everyone looked "identical", but let's say that we could take a native of the north of France and say "he looks like a Frenchman from the south or the center" and conversely, a native from the Center to the South could be taken for a Frenchman from the North to the East, because the phenotypic difference does not was not radically different at that time.

I am referring to Béraud’s threads also:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373808-Phenotypes-of-South-Western-France
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370511-North-Western-French-phenotypes
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?371476-Phenotypes-of-south-eastern-France
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370662-Phenotypes-of-the-French-Alps
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?371209-Phenotypes-of-Normandy

[Sebastianus Rex]

Quite distant.

French from the South-West (Haute-Garonne).

But I think you would have said the same thing if I had shared with you photos of Northern French people with large pseudo-Balkan European noses (common among older generations of Northern French people, from certain villages).

The same terms/classifications always appear for any photo from 1850 to 1930 of a French individual from any region of France (North, South, Center, West, East): dinaric, atlanto-dinaric, atlanto-med dinaric , alpino dinarique atlantomed, etc.

And I think that's normal: between 1850 and 1930, there was a sort of "pan-French" phenotype almost everywhere in France, without saying that everyone looked "identical", but let's say that we could take a native of the north of France and say "he looks like a Frenchman from the south or the center" and conversely, a native from the Center to the South could be taken for a Frenchman from the North to the East, because the phenotypic difference does not was not radically different at that time.

I am referring to Béraud’s threads also:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373808-Phenotypes-of-South-Western-France
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370511-North-Western-French-phenotypes
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?371476-Phenotypes-of-south-eastern-France
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?370662-Phenotypes-of-the-French-Alps
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?371209-Phenotypes-of-Normandy

There was indeed a strong Atlantid element, that is why I mentioned it. The dinaric predominance is somewhat atypical for the western half of France, it is more often present in a Baskid or Keltic Nordic form (which have some different traits), but it exists also of course.

[K1genetics]

Austrian. North Croatian.

[Flashball]

There was indeed a strong Atlantid element, that is why I mentioned it. The dinaric predominance is somewhat atypical for the western half of France, it is more often present in a Baskid or Keltic Nordic form (which have some different traits), but it exists also of course.

This is not atypical. Atlantid, Atlanto-med, it's the same thing and they are two autistic terms.
I know these places well enough having studied the old genealogical photos to be able to confirm that this is a common face.

I studied several villages in Haute-Garonne dating from 1850 to 1930, I studied several family trees with several family photos, etc.

Go see Beraud's links instead of asserting things that you have never studied (the Spanish really don't know anything about it).
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373808-Phenotypes-of-South-Western-France

[Sebastianus Rex]

This is not atypical. Atlantid, Atlanto-med, it's the same thing and they are two autistic terms.
I know these places well enough having studied the old genealogical photos to be able to confirm that this is a common face.

I studied several villages in Haute-Garonne dating from 1850 to 1930, I studied several family trees with several family photos, etc.

Go see Beraud's links instead of asserting things that you have never studied (the Spanish really don't know anything about it).
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373808-Phenotypes-of-South-Western-France

Will do, thanks for the links. Btw, I'm not Spanish.

[thatoneton]

At first I thought that he's Iberian (Portugese).
But my second thought was that he would be French. Seems I wouldn't be that far off.

[Eurafricanid]

Baskid + slight CM or Alpine (probably the latter) influence, looks Italian in most pictures.

[Flashball]

Baskid + slight CM or Alpine (probably the latter) influence, looks Italian in most pictures.

Looks French*