Illustrative DNA updated Ancient Populations 'Mixed Mode'

[Dušan]

I got fresh update.

Bronze Age

https://i.imgur.com/f8K2is6.png





Iron Age

https://i.imgur.com/vqYBF46.png

https://i.imgur.com/rzAfOAD.png





Roman Age


https://i.imgur.com/BB7BV8X.png

https://i.imgur.com/iYmm48B.png




Medieval Age is still missing. :rolleyes:

[Dušan]

Roman Age with 1% Japanese :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/OW6lMOC.png

[Vitez]

Nice results !
I thought I would also get Roman Dalmatian/Illyrian after the update but it's still South Italian at first place and Central Italian at second.

[Dušan]

Nice results !
I thought I would also get Roman Dalmatian/Illyrian after the update but it's still South Italian at first place and Central Italian at second.

Feel free to post your updated results.

Thread for everyone

[Beowulf]

Bronze Age:

https://i.postimg.cc/6p0C49BD/Screenshot-2023-09-16-16-54-39.png (https://postimages.org/)

Iron Age:

https://i.postimg.cc/LsJh4R5k/Screenshot-2023-09-16-16-55-31.png (https://postimages.org/)

Roman Age:

https://i.postimg.cc/9F1fGzqt/Screenshot-2023-09-16-16-56-40.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Vitez]

Bronze Age
https://i.ibb.co/27syPyR/Bronze-age.png

Iron Age
https://i.ibb.co/QPMYfD0/Iron-age.png

Roman Age
https://i.ibb.co/X8F41sW/Italo-slav.png

[Dušan]

Nice results !
I thought I would also get Roman Dalmatian/Illyrian after the update but it's still South Italian at first place and Central Italian at second.

I am bit dissapointed getting closest in mixed mode Balts instead of Slav samples in Roman age.

With Slav it is 4th.

https://i.imgur.com/sKfDEsF.png





As for Roman Dalmatia, it is counted whole Western Balkans:

https://i.imgur.com/8TlGJ3q.png

[majevica]

https://imgur.com/eRF1bSb.jpg
https://imgur.com/T8iYsW8.jpg
https://imgur.com/aC2oCR3.jpg

[majevica]

I am bit dissapointed getting closest in mixed mode Balts instead of Slav samples in Roman age.

With Slav it is 4th.

https://i.imgur.com/sKfDEsF.png





As for Roman Dalmatia, it is counted whole Western Balkans:

https://i.imgur.com/8TlGJ3q.png

For me Slav does not appear in the Three Way Mixed Mode

In Two Way it appears at 10th place the first time

https://imgur.com/JggjsYo.jpg

[Vitez]

https://i.imgur.com/sKfDEsF.png


This combination seems to be the most realistic one for you, don't you think ?
For me Pannonian Slav (62%) + Roman Dalmatian (38%) is only at 6th, I've got every Italian sample before the Western Balkan one..

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/sKfDEsF.png





This combination seems to be the most realistic one for you, don't you think ?
For me Pannonian Slav (62%) + Roman Dalmatian (38%) is only at 6th, I've got every Italian sample before the Western Balkan one..

Yeah, I agree :)

[alexmegas777]

https://i.ibb.co/CBdsKRD/Screenshot-2023-09-17-093554.png
https://i.ibb.co/KLHtCFS/Screenshot-2023-09-17-093629.png
https://i.ibb.co/4KhC0H4/Screenshot-2023-09-17-093643.png

[Grace O'Malley]

BRONZE AGE

https://i.imgur.com/q5ND3AS.png

https://i.imgur.com/DFyRSMy.png

IRON AGE

https://i.imgur.com/HPs5Lk8.png

https://i.imgur.com/3qlrMFh.png

ROMAN AGE

https://i.imgur.com/J4XOqTg.png

https://i.imgur.com/kKcKtjv.png

Middle Ages is still not available.

[marco]

Iron Age had the only decent distance for my son, the others were a large distance

Top 11 3 way for Iron Age


Fit: 2.287
1.
Anatolian (Kingdom of Pontus)
22.8%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
66.0%
Bantu (East Africa)
11.2%

Fit: 2.289
2.
Urartian
21.2%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
68.0%
Bantu (East Africa)
10.8%

Fit: 2.320
3.
Phrygian
23.0%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
65.3%
Bantu (East Africa)
11.7%

Fit: 2.321
4.
Etiuni
18.3%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
71.8%
Bantu (East Africa)
9.9%

Fit: 2.326
5.
Anatolian (Kingdom of Pontus)
22.7%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
66.3%
Bantu (Central Africa)
11.0%

Fit: 2.338
6.
Urartian
21.7%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
67.5%
Bantu (Central Africa)
10.8%

Fit: 2.338
7.
Mannaean
19.8%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
70.2%
Bantu (East Africa)
10.0%

Fit: 2.341
8.
Mannaean (Hasanlu Lovers)
19.8%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
70.2%
Bantu (East Africa)
10.0%

Fit: 2.348
9.
Phrygian
23.7%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
64.5%
Bantu (Central Africa)
11.8%

Fit: 2.361
10.
Etiuni
18.2%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
72.1%
Bantu (Central Africa)
9.7%

Fit: 2.406
11.
Mannaean
19.7%
Berber (Carthaginian Period)
70.5%
Bantu (Central Africa)
9.8%

[marco]

I don't understand why for Bronze Age they used mar ln, it gives my son a distance of above four percent. They could have done this instead

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 1.5139% / 0.01513865 | R3P
54.4 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean
29.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
15.8 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP

[Jana]

Iron age breakdown: I'm basically 58% Baltic, 25% Illyrian, 17% East Med

https://i.imgur.com/IIpg7vy.png

[Eurafricanid]

Very cool and needed update!


Bronze Age:

https://i.imgur.com/2fFr6tn.png

https://i.imgur.com/EuwTigv.png


Iron Age:

https://i.imgur.com/ty7Cg5g.png

https://i.imgur.com/zjzSj8U.png


Roman Age:

https://i.imgur.com/GlDwyge.png

https://i.imgur.com/mrvU9Y2.png

[Dušan]

Iron age breakdown: I'm basically 58% Baltic, 25% Illyrian, 17% East Med

https://i.imgur.com/IIpg7vy.png

What did you get for Roman age breakdown?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Top #1, 3-way results:

Bronze Age:

Unetice 91%
Megalithic 4.9%
Aegean 4.1%

Iron Age:

Insular Celt (Cantiaci) 78.2%
Estonian 13.7%
Yaz 8.1%

Roman Age:

Insular Celt 53.1%
Scandinavian 30.1%
Sarmatian Lazyges 16.8%

[Impaler]

The results are more or less as 23andMe: Balts, Mittani, Hellenistic Greek, Indo-Greeks, Gandhara Culture. My father's tribe migrated through modern day Pakistan and Afghanistan. Some of these people may have stayed in those regions.

Bronze Age:

https://i.ibb.co/fHvNk3p/1a.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/8cnGTrG/1b.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Iron Age:

https://i.ibb.co/rttPPmZ/2a.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/BBcD1g1/2b.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Roman Age:


https://i.ibb.co/6rkbd7n/3a.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/2cGCWLy/3b.png (https://imgbb.com/)


https://i.ibb.co/FxVv4Pg/4.png (https://ibb.co/0DtNywh)

[Flashball]

My results:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/2006x1445q90/r/922/OLRX4w.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6NGUvxXkAAyOIG?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Mother (half sardinian half french)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/2412x1445q90/r/924/bNiE6o.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6NB04fWoAA2Csl?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[ScandinavianCelt]

Anyone else notice this Bronze Age "updated" result does not match the latest Bronze Age calc Davide Von Gauss put on exploreyourdna.com? Link here: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/159/bronze-age-calculator-2023-davide-von-gauss.htm

My closest 2 distance results from that calculator to the 3-way "updated" result (distance 2.005):

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 2.5347% / 0.02534659 | ADC: 1x RC

69.4 BritishIslands_BA
30.6 Unetice

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 1.6223% / 0.01622327 | ADC: 0.5x RC

52.8 BritishIslands_BA
21.6 Unetice
13.8 Bell_Beaker_ITA
11.8 GRC_Logkas_MBA

vs the IllustrativeDNA result:

Bronze Age:

Unetice 91%
Megalithic 4.9%
Aegean 4.1%

-------------------------------------------

Reducing above calc to 3-pop (R3P) shows these:

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 2.6391% / 0.02639080 | R3P | ADC: 2x RC

100.0 BritishIslands_BA:England_MBA:BC1500_1000_k27c

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 1.9527% / 0.01952662 | R3P | ADC: 1x RC

50.6 Unetice: DEU_Unetice_EBA:BC2150_1850_k7c
26.6 Unetice:CZE_EBA_Unetice:BC1900_k21c
22.8 Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478

Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 1.6820% / 0.01682046 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC

72.6 BritishIslands_BA:Bell_Beaker_Scotland:BC2300_k2
16.2 GRC_Logkas_MBA:BC2300_k2
11.2 Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478

[Wend-Kruzek]

Bronze Age
https://imgbox.com/sxPl0Prt
https://imgbox.com/ob0Je3sG
Iron Age
https://imgbox.com/rM8M1duU
https://imgbox.com/SARHoZIK
Roman period
https://imgbox.com/JtZSpUMR
https://imgbox.com/snyIqLFk

Sorry :picard1:

[Coastal Elite]

Bronze Age

https://i.imgur.com/Lq6hDWS.jpg

Iron Age

https://i.imgur.com/0FNWTJ7.jpg

Roman Age

https://i.imgur.com/rjznU0y.jpg

[Eurafricanid]

Here's the first Unetice, since some got it:

https://i.imgur.com/GAUxznK.png


I just wanted to show what does it look without Sardinia (more accurate)

Iron Age

https://i.imgur.com/vZNy5zE.png


Roman Age

https://i.imgur.com/UHfIe3N.png

https://i.imgur.com/PrF3agO.png

[calxpal]

Bronze Age
https://i.ibb.co/M9Wscmh/illu1.png

Iron Age
https://i.ibb.co/1vbTNRj/illu2.png

Roman Age
https://i.ibb.co/CPg2XkY/illu3.png

Closest ancient populations (updated)

https://i.ibb.co/Hn7HDSn/illu4.png

[Ritz06]

Bronze age:

https://i.imgur.com/DpZX3Ts.png

Iron age:

https://i.imgur.com/ox09u40.png

Roman age:

https://i.imgur.com/Z4c5YHC.png

[ZeDude]

Bronze

123376


Iron

123377

Roman

123378

[Gallop]

Mine

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp4pvQMD/POCAromana-M-a.jpg

Father

https://i.postimg.cc/HxGTXC8G/POCAromana-PAP.jpg

[sage]

Iron age breakdown: I'm basically 58% Baltic, 25% Illyrian, 17% East Med

https://i.imgur.com/IIpg7vy.png

Rip feiichy

[Beowulf]

they did a little update to me and mother in the ancient mixed way not many changes, does anyone had also that little update?

[Katarzyna]

Bronze Age:

Unetice 92.3%
Narva Culture 7.7%

Iron Age:

Estonian 75.3%
Paeonian 24.7%

Roman Age:

Balt 54.6%
Visigoth 45.4%

[HelloGuys]

Mine

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp4pvQMD/POCAromana-M-a.jpg

Father

https://i.postimg.cc/HxGTXC8G/POCAromana-PAP.jpg

Cómo le hiciste para que estuviera en español?

[marco]

for my son


Bronze Age

Fit: 1.971

1.

Mycenaean Greek
54.3%

Northwest African (Early Neolithic)
29.8%

Bantu (Central Africa)
15.9%


Iron Age

Fit: 2.287

1.
Anatolian (Kingdom of Pontus)
22.8%

Berber (Carthaginian Period)
66.0%

Bantu (East Africa)
11.2%

Roman age

Fit: 2.327

1.

Numidian (Ovilava)
49.5%

Numidian (Sitifis)
39.3%

Bantu (Central Africa)
11.2%

[marco]

for my son


Bronze Age

Fit: 1.971

1.

Mycenaean Greek
54.3%

Northwest African (Early Neolithic)
29.8%

Bantu (Central Africa)
15.9%


Iron Age

Fit: 2.287

1.
Anatolian (Kingdom of Pontus)
22.8%

Berber (Carthaginian Period)
66.0%

Bantu (East Africa)
11.2%

Roman age

Fit: 2.327

1.

Numidian (Ovilava)
49.5%

Numidian (Sitifis)
39.3%

Bantu (Central Africa)
11.2%


On g25 similar model to Bronze Age



On g25

Target: Son_scaled

Distance: 1.5139% / 0.01513865 | R3P

54.4 Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean

29.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

15.8 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP

[Gallop]

Cómo le hiciste para que estuviera en español?


Debí darle al traductor en esas ventanas emergentes que aparecen, pero en el Google no en la web me refiero.

[Gallop]

Ferro Age (Mine)

https://i.postimg.cc/nVkr9F0w/Iron-Age-Mio1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YqC915P2/Iron-Age-Mio26.jpg


What an interesting and mysterious combination: island Celts, Tartessians and ancient Egyptians.

[HelloGuys]

Debí darle al traductor en esas ventanas emergentes que aparecen, pero en el Google no en la web me refiero.

Ah ya entendí, gracias; una lástima que no lo traduzcan en español.

[Gallop]

Ah ya entendí, gracias; una lástima que no lo traduzcan en español.

Cierto, una de las lenguas más habladas del mundo, vamos de lo que viene siendo el llamado Planeta Tierra.

[Vessna]

Bronze Age:

Unetice 92.7%
Narva Culture 7.3%

Iron Age:

Balt 69.9%
Paeonian 30.1%

Roman Age:

Byzantine Slav (Nicaea) 53.2%%
Ingrian 46.8%

[Dušan]

Medieval Age is still missing. :rolleyes:

It is now available.

https://i.imgur.com/ZOTwXwx.png

https://i.imgur.com/KnVzUiS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Xn3aUL3.jpg

[DomitiusAurelian]

<a href="https://ibb.co/0n1TqcC"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/Fhc26K5/medieval.jpg" alt="medieval" border="0"></a>

[Feiichy]

https://i.imgur.com/fNkczyq.png

https://i.imgur.com/zYlkBCl.png

https://i.imgur.com/uGCcrua.png

[Beowulf]

says that period 4 will be already in some time for me

I wonder why did this took so long

[gixajo]

says that period 4 will be already in some time for me

I wonder why did this took so long

I´ve just checked if the eanana has already it, if period 4 is this she does:

https://i.imgur.com/lchlyOn.png

[Beowulf]

I´ve just checked if the eanana has already it, if period 4 is this she does:

https://i.imgur.com/lchlyOn.png



The mixed mode one

[gixajo]

And her "period 4", is basically similar to "period 3"...

https://i.imgur.com/iAstbBx.png

[gixajo]

The mixed mode one

:thumb001:

Still updating 4 too, but "period 3" is horrible un the 2 WAY feature, basically she is 50% Sardinian+50% North European/Germanic.

https://i.imgur.com/VUWfq5i.png

[Vessna]

My mixed pops are now updating.
I did get a new result on the closest ancient population:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231205/ec1317dea1a59a3dbee5c891b4b78f45.jpg

[majevica]

https://imgur.com/zgQituG.jpg

https://imgur.com/T1XlYgz.jpg

[HelloGuys]

:thumb001:

Still updating 4 too, but "period 3" is horrible un the 2 WAY feature, basically she is 50% Sardinian+50% North European/Germanic.

https://i.imgur.com/VUWfq5i.png

Bro, what is the description/text of Roman Iberian (Empuries)?

[calxpal]

Most users results here look pretty decent!

I have tons of results but can't share them all lol. Maybe I'll open a thread for my results. Thoughts are welcome! :lightbul:

More of mine:

https://i.ibb.co/nmDcw43/Screenshot-2023-11-30-052429.png
https://i.ibb.co/1dL4Trd/Screenshot-2023-11-30-052543.png
https://i.ibb.co/smWy22T/Screenshot-2023-11-30-052846.png
https://i.ibb.co/mzTnrvR/Screenshot-2023-11-30-053027.png
https://i.ibb.co/yVFBhVL/Screenshot-2023-11-30-053228.png
https://i.ibb.co/GVjXStW/Screenshot-2023-11-30-053128.png
https://i.ibb.co/bbxT82f/Screenshot-2023-11-30-052503.png
https://i.ibb.co/5BPRRnc/Screenshot-2023-11-30-053334.png

My closest ancient also updated, and some interesting new ones lower down on my list.

https://i.ibb.co/t35JXmN/closestancient.png

https://i.ibb.co/WF5jmYt/ancientclosest2.png

Modern

https://i.ibb.co/vqpbr0x/closestmodern3.png

I'll try to post period 4 when I get it too :cool::coffee:

[Beowulf]

medieval period finally!!

https://i.postimg.cc/15FPCLKk/Screenshot-2023-12-05-12-13-26.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Vitez]

Still Slavic/Italian !

https://i.ibb.co/LdRxspL/New-medieval.png

[Dantevici]

125000

[gixajo]

Bro, what is the description/text of Roman Iberian (Empuries)?

Iba a mirarlo para decírtelo pero han actualizado todo:

https://i.imgur.com/7mjvDLQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/u5t2wPP.png

https://i.imgur.com/EQXpOOp.png

Lo que pides es ésto supongo:

https://i.imgur.com/DMBoSKA.png

G25 coordinates of this sample:


Spain_Roman_oLocal:I8339,0.129758,0.140143,0.04902 6,0.019057,0.055703,-0.003904,-0.000235,-0.008538,0.031292,0.041914,-0.007795,0.006444,-0.012042,-0.008533,0.012486,0.011535,0.00665,0.00152,-0.004777,0.001126,0.004991,0.005441,-0.00419,0,0.003113

Our distances to this sample in Vahaduo using scaled coordinates (I´ve changed the image because first time I posted her results with simulated coordinates I got from an "unofficial" site, these are her results with real ones):

https://i.imgur.com/kKHc9zY.png

Her closest ancient pops:

https://i.imgur.com/rilWK99.png

Group samples of her closest ancient pops are:

https://i.imgur.com/EEQUAG7.png

[Beowulf]

Iba a mirarlo para decírtelo pero han actualizado todo:

https://i.imgur.com/7mjvDLQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/u5t2wPP.png

https://i.imgur.com/EQXpOOp.png

Lo que pides es ésto supongo:

https://i.imgur.com/DMBoSKA.png

Que pesadilla cuando nos modelan con los sardos se va todo al garete.

[gixajo]

Que pesadilla cuando nos modelan con los sardos se va todo al garete.

Así es...

[Majikhan]

125007

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm so pleased I got this result. All my paternal ancestry is from Roscommon so I'm sure if IBD is used I match some these samples from Kiltasheen.

https://i.imgur.com/vx7bdhs.png

https://i.imgur.com/PLp9DrP.png

https://i.imgur.com/DrMGl0i.png

https://i.imgur.com/uGL2pdN.png

https://i.imgur.com/w8oFi6m.png

https://i.imgur.com/ONC5X3w.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Closest Ancient Samples has also been updated.

https://i.imgur.com/rM65D89.png

[gixajo]

I'm so pleased I got this result. All my paternal ancestry is from Roscommon so I'm sure if IBD is used I match some these samples from Kiltasheen.

mg]

Could you please post same I posted about Roma Imperial from Empuries but about these Roscommon and Insular Celts Corletauvi samples?

Just to see which samples were used and if they are in the G25 datasheet.

[Thracian]

https://i.ibb.co/y0ZB4gH/closest-anc.png

https://i.ibb.co/8Ddv5pN/ancmix.png

[HelloGuys]

Iba a mirarlo para decírtelo pero han actualizado todo:

https://i.imgur.com/7mjvDLQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/u5t2wPP.png

https://i.imgur.com/EQXpOOp.png

Lo que pides es ésto supongo:

https://i.imgur.com/DMBoSKA.png

G25 coordinates of this sample:


Spain_Roman_oLocal:I8339,0.129758,0.140143,0.04902 6,0.019057,0.055703,-0.003904,-0.000235,-0.008538,0.031292,0.041914,-0.007795,0.006444,-0.012042,-0.008533,0.012486,0.011535,0.00665,0.00152,-0.004777,0.001126,0.004991,0.005441,-0.00419,0,0.003113

Our distances to this sample in Vahaduo using scaled coordinates (I´ve changed the image because first time I posted her results with simulated coordinates I got from an "unofficial" site, these are her results with real ones):

https://i.imgur.com/kKHc9zY.png

Her closest ancient pops:

https://i.imgur.com/rilWK99.png

Group samples of her closest ancient pops are:

https://i.imgur.com/EEQUAG7.png

Yes, thank you bro for the info and even posting the sample; her results are very interesting and she looks very basque influenced in her closest ancient population, but the mixed mode doesn't look very accurate tbh

So out of curiosity, What is the reference she gets in the Iron Age "Periodical "Ancient Ancestry Breakdown" results?

[gixajo]

Yes, thank you bro for the info and even posting the sample; her results are very interesting and she looks very basque influenced in her closest ancient population, but the mixed mode doesn't look very accurate tbh

So out of curiosity, What is the reference she gets in the Iron Age "Periodical "Ancient Ancestry Breakdown" results?

https://i.imgur.com/SYlYlLz.png

[HelloGuys]

Now it is my turn to post my results lol

https://i.imgur.com/X884iMW.png

https://i.imgur.com/O6ZJBdm.png

https://i.imgur.com/SiL2WnF.png

https://i.imgur.com/f8v8rhF.png


Bronze Age and Iron Age don't make any sense at all, but it's normal because I cannot be modeled with only 3 populations, I'd need more.

The Roman Age and Middle Ages look accurate tho, due my relatively high Levantine/North African I usually score in DNA tests and models (Especially for being a mestizo) the Iberian references they used for that were spot on.

Btw I scored the mexican SSA reference from Campeche!!

[calxpal]

I said I would post period 4 so here they are. I find it interesting that's It's fitting me with Johannes Corvinus a lot, I even decided to look up who this person is. A lot of the mixes it gives me are Romanian + Scandinavian or something similar based on the top populations of the samples lol.

https://i.ibb.co/cgXTz6P/4illus.png

https://i.ibb.co/ZKpRbPk/4illus2.png

https://i.ibb.co/QcqcZvf/4illus3.png

[Eurafricanid]

Love this update!

Full
https://i.imgur.com/5hbj5Ib.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/yqDkVL3.png


Euro-Only
https://i.imgur.com/PI8AIKA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/5EA2UH9.png

It got very interesting here on:
https://i.imgur.com/E1IyxWM.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ZG8WIjJ.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/IFHeB3c.png

Sigle Distance:
https://i.imgur.com/jjDZgTe.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Could you please post same I posted about Roma Imperial from Empuries but about these Roscommon and Insular Celts Corletauvi samples?

Just to see which samples were used and if they are in the G25 datasheet.

https://i.imgur.com/3Zx9H9N.png
https://i.imgur.com/1nDyQPi.png
https://i.imgur.com/vsRs9LR.png

With the information for Insular Celt Corieltauvi I'm wondering if they have the incorrect description as it doesn't appear to correlate with them being Insular Celts?? I might contact them to clarify.

https://i.imgur.com/tBKXnYg.png
https://i.imgur.com/WOC6wVJ.png

I've sent them a query about it because it's obviously describing a different population.

[alexmegas777]

https://i.ibb.co/PMPJVLc/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090809.png
https://i.ibb.co/bNM3WNz/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090820.png
https://i.ibb.co/4SMXVGD/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090844.png
https://i.ibb.co/f8tbhLw/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090900.png
https://i.ibb.co/kS4Fhf6/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090921.png
https://i.ibb.co/DfJzvky/Screenshot-2023-12-06-090944.png
https://i.ibb.co/nmMLKcT/Screenshot-2023-12-06-091003.png

[calxpal]

I wanted to ask if anyone here knows or has seen someone with a very similar background to me with IllustrativeDNA results? I'm interested in discussing them and comparing them with someone of a similar ethnicity mix, thanks :thumb001::)

[Grace O'Malley]

https://i.imgur.com/3Zx9H9N.png
https://i.imgur.com/1nDyQPi.png
https://i.imgur.com/vsRs9LR.png

With the information for Insular Celt Corieltauvi I'm wondering if they have the incorrect description as it doesn't appear to correlate with them being Insular Celts?? I might contact them to clarify.

https://i.imgur.com/tBKXnYg.png
https://i.imgur.com/WOC6wVJ.png

I've sent them a query about it because it's obviously describing a different population.

They have obviously put the wrong blurb for the Corieltauvi. They are saying that's what the study says i.e. The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool but it is not about this tribe. :rolleyes: The blurb is obviously about the France IA population that came into Britain much later.

This is the correct information about the Corieltauvi.

https://i.imgur.com/pT9kYxC.png

Surprised they could make a mistake like that. Who checks this??

[J. Ketch]

^The info is from the Patterson paper 'Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age', not the Anglo-Saxon paper from a year later.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04287-4

Abstract
Present-day people from England and Wales have more ancestry derived from early European farmers (EEF) than did people of the Early Bronze Age1. To understand this, here we generated genome-wide data from 793 individuals, increasing data from the Middle to the Late Bronze Age and Iron Age in Britain by 12-fold, and western and central Europe by 3.5-fold. Between 1000 and 875 BC, EEF ancestry increased in southern Britain (England and Wales) but not northern Britain (Scotland) due to incorporation of migrants who arrived at this time and over previous centuries, and who were genetically most similar to ancient individuals from France. These migrants contributed about half the ancestry of people of England and Wales from the Iron Age, thereby creating a plausible vector for the spread of early Celtic languages into Britain. These patterns are part of a broader trend of EEF ancestry becoming more similar across central and western Europe in the Middle to the Late Bronze Age, coincident with archaeological evidence of intensified cultural exchange2,3,4,5,6. There was comparatively less gene flow from continental Europe during the Iron Age, and the independent genetic trajectory in Britain is also reflected in the rise of the allele conferring lactase persistence to approximately 50% by this time compared to approximately 7% in central Europe where it rose rapidly in frequency only a millennium later. This suggests that dairy products were used in qualitatively different ways in Britain and in central Europe over this period.

So it's not incorrect, just not specific about the Corieltauvi, but all Celtic tribes in Southern Britain in the Iron Age.

[Grace O'Malley]

^The info is from the Patterson paper 'Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age', not the Anglo-Saxon paper from a year later.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04287-4


So it's not incorrect, just not specific about the Corieltauvi, but all Celtic tribes in Southern Britain in the Iron Age.

Yes I know where they got the information but what they have put is not about the Corieltauvi who are an Insular Celtic tribe and their genetics has them as similar to Orcadian, Scots and Irish which is why they are my 3rd closest match.

So isn't it incorrect?

[J. Ketch]

Yes I know where they got the information but what they have put is not about the Corieltauvi who are an Insular Celtic tribe and their genetics has them as similar to Orcadian, Scots and Irish which is why they are my 3rd closest match.

So isn't it incorrect?
Well it's written poorly in an ambiguous way that might make one think the sample is one of the Celts that came to Britain from France in the Mid to Late Bronze Age. But I don't think that was the intention, it's just some background info to their origin, and people should know anyway that the Corieltauvi (aka Coritani) were Iron Age British Celts.

Iron Age Celts from what is now England plot close to modern Insular Celts unsurprisingly, they had less EEF than modern English, because of the further migration from France in the Middle Ages alluded to in the Anglo-Saxon paper.

[Eurafricanid]

Yes I know where they got the information but what they have put is not about the Corieltauvi who are an Insular Celtic tribe and their genetics has them as similar to Orcadian, Scots and Irish which is why they are my 3rd closest match.

So isn't it incorrect?

The description is generic for Insular Celts, not exclusive to the Corieltauvi.

[Grace O'Malley]

The description is generic for Insular Celts, not exclusive to the Corieltauvi.

No it isn't. It is about the people carrying France-IA component not an Insular Celtic population.

https://i.imgur.com/8r6T3Q0.png

[Beowulf]

medieval period finally!!

https://i.postimg.cc/15FPCLKk/Screenshot-2023-12-05-12-13-26.png (https://postimages.org/)



3 way mode

https://i.postimg.cc/0NXydJVs/Screenshot-2023-12-06-23-34-19.png (https://postimages.org/)

[J. Ketch]

No it isn't. It is about the people carrying France-IA component not an Insular Celtic population.

https://i.imgur.com/8r6T3Q0.png
Are you sure? It says migration to Britain from 1300 BC to 800 BC (before the Iron Age), who made up half the ancestry of the subsequent Iron Age Britons (e.g. Corieltauvi), and obviously brought Celtic culture to Britain.

France IA isn't mentioned, since that's relating to another study, from 2022.

[Kenshiro]

BA:
Fit: 2.026
1. Minoan 67% Poltavka Culture 33%
Fit: 2.107
2. Minoan 60.6% Corder Ware Culture 39.4%
IA:
Fit: 2.043
1. Thracian 72% Yaz Culture 28%
Fit: 2.118
2. South Illyrian 77.3% Mannaean 22.7%
RA:
Fit: 2.046
1. Pannonian (Migration Period) 86.5% Kanju 13.5%
Fit: 2.068
2. Pannonian (Migration Period) 88.5% Kushan 11.5%
MA:
Fit: 1.756
1. Medieval Albanian 89% Post-Medieval Swat Valley (Singoor) 11%
Fit: 1.811
2. Medieval Albanian 84.4% Sogdian (Eastern Steppe) 15.6%

[Grace O'Malley]

Are you sure? It says migration to Britain from 1300 BC to 800 BC (before the Iron Age), who made up half the ancestry of the subsequent Iron Age Britons (e.g. Corieltauvi), and obviously brought Celtic culture to Britain.

France IA isn't mentioned, since that's relating to another study, from 2022.

Are you reading the same blurb I'm reading?

The migrants were most similar to ancient individuals from France and had higher EEF ancestry. ...... etc. their genetic marker spread quickly through southern Britain, making up half the ancestry of subsequent Iron Age people in this area, but not in Northern Britain.

This is speaking about a population similar to French Iron Age and affected southern Britain. Isn't that the France_IA population and not the Insular Celts?

[J. Ketch]

Are you reading the same blurb I'm reading?
Yes but I don't understand what conclusion you're drawing. Do you think they're saying that the Corieltauvi were those late Bronze Age continental Celtic migrants? Not the Insular Celts that they were?



The migrants were most similar to ancient individuals from France and had higher EEF ancestry. ...... etc. their genetic marker spread quickly through southern Britain, making up half the ancestry of subsequent Iron Age people in this area, but not in Northern Britain.

This is speaking about a population similar to French Iron Age and affected southern Britain. Isn't that the France_IA population and not the Insular Celts?
It's describing the origin of the Insular Celts, Iron Age Southern Britons like the Corieltauvi were 50% descended from these continental Celts, and derived their language from them. They can't be French Iron Age people if they came before the Iron Age. What's more the French IA ancestry in Britain didn't even come as Celtic speakers, they were culturally Romance/Germanic by then.

[hazmatnik]

https://i.postimg.cc/j5JHd1Nj/1a.png (https://postimg.cc/TLfLtCt8)

https://i.postimg.cc/L5p1482y/1.png (https://postimg.cc/XGsJQ3ZF)

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes but I don't understand what conclusion you're drawing. Do you think they're saying that the Corieltauvi were those late Bronze Age continental Celtic migrants? Not the Insular Celts that they were?


It's describing the origin of the Insular Celts, Iron Age Southern Britons like the Corieltauvi were 50% descended from these continental Celts, and derived their language from them. They can't be French Iron Age people if they came before the Iron Age. What's more the French IA ancestry in Britain didn't even come as Celtic speakers, they were culturally Romance/Germanic by then.

Ok then but it's not very clear and is confusing.

[Eurafricanid]

No it isn't. It is about the people carrying France-IA component not an Insular Celtic population.

https://i.imgur.com/8r6T3Q0.png

Yes, it is:
https://i.imgur.com/aIwxXIw.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, it is:
https://i.imgur.com/aIwxXIw.png

Well it's not a good description and does not even describe Insular Celts at all. They are just using a paragraph from a study that is not even related to the tribes they have put that description on. The way I read it they are mostly describing the people that came in related to France IA.

[Ylla]

BA: Srubnaya 39.7 Minoan 60.3
IA: Balt (Bronze Age) 23.6 Classical Greek (Himera) 76.4
RA: Byzantine Slav (Tragurium) 22.1 Roman Moesian 77.9
MA: Medieval Albanian 33.7 Post-Medieval Albanian 66.3

[sacha]

My modern mixed mode and customizable ancient ancestry for reference:

https://i.ibb.co/ZgWH9jW/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-53-33-PM.png (https://ibb.co/WzgDChg)
https://i.ibb.co/zsqGs64/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-55-31-PM.png (https://ibb.co/2qGgqZk)

I get some pretty bad overfits for the last two periods especially because I generally have bad fit syndrome ;(

https://i.ibb.co/h8thzzD/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-22-PM.png (https://ibb.co/ggBHKKz)
https://i.ibb.co/71Sg4LD/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-35-PM.png (https://ibb.co/2kF8NHr)
https://i.ibb.co/RQzWnH5/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-42-PM.png (https://ibb.co/HGnQvgJ)
https://i.ibb.co/NWSYwFx/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-50-PM.png (https://ibb.co/SVrvq6N)

[Jingle Bell]

Bronze Age:
https://i.imgur.com/6JjPJxy.png
https://i.imgur.com/B8UYY23.png

Iron Age:
https://i.imgur.com/oiYOZ9b.png
https://i.imgur.com/1eqlfep.png

Roman Age:
https://i.imgur.com/yUiTrP4.png
https://i.imgur.com/36DzP5i.png

Medieval Age:
https://i.imgur.com/eshzBcZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/0hXJLcD.png

I think my bigger NA/Levant shift (Prob from Sephardic Jew admix) push me moe towards Medieval/Late Roman Iberians, anyway im happy that im cluestering with Portugueses ancient samples :p

[Dušan]

https://i.postimg.cc/j5JHd1Nj/1a.png (https://postimg.cc/TLfLtCt8)


I got same components in 3-way model in 6th place

https://i.imgur.com/Ea8BNv3.png

[HelloGuys]

I think my bigger NA/Levant shift (Prob from Sephardic Jew admix) push me moe towards Medieval/Late Roman Iberians, anyway im happy that im cluestering with Portugueses ancient samples :p

Cool results bro, welcome back.

You and me always score a lot of MENA lol

[Jingle Bell]

Cool results bro, welcome back.


You and me always score a lot of MENA lol


Yeah bro, we are the last traces of sephardic in latam XD

[Beowulf]

Bronze Age:
https://i.imgur.com/6JjPJxy.png
https://i.imgur.com/B8UYY23.png

Iron Age:
https://i.imgur.com/oiYOZ9b.png
https://i.imgur.com/1eqlfep.png

Roman Age:
https://i.imgur.com/yUiTrP4.png
https://i.imgur.com/36DzP5i.png

Medieval Age:
https://i.imgur.com/eshzBcZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/0hXJLcD.png

I think my bigger NA/Levant shift (Prob from Sephardic Jew admix) push me moe towards Medieval/Late Roman Iberians, anyway im happy that im cluestering with Portugueses ancient samples :p

Welcome back!!

Good results but quite bad distances do you think something is lacking for you?

[HelloGuys]

Yeah bro, we are the last traces of sephardic in latam XD

Jaja maybe that or Phoenicians/Carthaginian or Romans too...who knows :D

[Jingle Bell]

Welcome back!!

Good results but quite bad distances do you think something is lacking for you?

Hello viking!

Yeah the kinda bad distances its bcs they only have Bantu samples as SSA (My SSA is mostly of Western African Origin) so thats ups my distancss a bit, also the samples im scoring in Iberian are more NA shifted, while im more Levant shift, if i replaced Bantu by Yoruba i think i would score less than 2

[axel.aleman]

Yeah bro, we are the last traces of sephardic in latam XD

Welcome Jingle bell

[Jingle Bell]

Welcome Jingle bell

Olá axel! Como andas meu amigo?

[axel.aleman]

Olá axel! Como andas meu amigo?

I am fine

[gixajo]

This afternoon I tried to download my raw data from 23andme in Illustrative Dna to obtain my G25 coordinates and have other alternatives to those obtained with MyHeritage raw data but apparently due to "security problems" its download is not available for now.

[Beowulf]

Updated closest ancient populations:

https://i.postimg.cc/G2Xr4N4T/Screenshot-2024-01-07-18-42-18.png (https://postimages.org/)

[vader]

My results:

Bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/xF9Q4sG.png

Iron age
https://i.imgur.com/09DCNbp.png

Roman age
https://i.imgur.com/0kApRSl.png

Middle ages
https://i.imgur.com/hcrgkgg.png



Fiancee's results

bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/FOSI07L.png

iron age
https://i.imgur.com/KE1CtmB.png

roman age
https://i.imgur.com/8qx6elO.png

middle ages
https://i.imgur.com/iTnO5on.png

[Kenshiro]

BA:
Model#1
Fit: 2.026
avatar
Poltavka Culture
33%
avatar
Minoan
67%
Model#2
Fit: 2.107
avatar
Corded Ware Culture
39.4%
avatar
Minoan
60.6%
Model#1
Fit: 1.689
avatar
Narva Culture
4.7%
avatar
Catacomb Culture
28.8%
avatar
Minoan
66.5%
IA:
Model#1
Fit: 2.043
avatar
Thracian
72%
avatar
Yaz Culture
28%
Model#2
Fit: 2.118
avatar
South Illyrian
77.3%
avatar
Mannaean
22.7%
Model#1
Fit: 1.868
avatar
Thracian
69.3%
avatar
Sarmatian (Urals)
19.7%
avatar
Koban Culture
11%
Model#1
Fit: 2.046
avatar
Pannonian (Migration Period)
86.5%
avatar
Kangju
13.5%
Model#2
Fit: 2.068
avatar
Pannonian (Migration Period)
88.5%
avatar
Kushan
11.5%
Model#1
Fit: 1.764
avatar
Imperial Roman (Latium)
35.3%
avatar
Roman Moesian
49.1%
avatar
Sarmatian (Roxolani)
15.6%
MA:
Model#1
Fit: 1.756
avatar
Medieval Albanian
89%
avatar
Post-Medieval Swat Valley (Singoor)
11%
Model#2
Fit: 1.811
avatar
Medieval Albanian
84.4%
avatar
Sogdian (Eastern Steppe)
15.6%
Model#1
Fit: 1.531
avatar
Medieval Iberian (Girona)
16.7%
avatar
Medieval Albanian
63.1%
avatar
Alan (North Caucasus)
20.2%
My prefer two way
BA:
Model#13
Fit: 2.362
avatar
Yamnaya Culture
21.9%
avatar
Mycenaean Greek
78.1%
Model#38
Fit: 2.745
avatar
Battle Axe Culture
31.4%
avatar
Mycenaean Greek
68.6%
IA:
Model#14
Fit: 2.326
avatar
Sicani
62.9%
avatar
Yaz Culture
37.1%
Model#11
Fit: 2.282
avatar
Classical Greek (Himera)
73.6%
avatar
Sarmatian (Urals)
26.4%
Model#8
Fit: 2.208
avatar
Classical Greek (Himera)
65.7%
avatar
Scythian (Western Steppe)
34.3%
Model#10
Fit: 2.227
avatar
South Illyrian
77%
avatar
Upper Mesopotamian (Iron Age)
23%
RA:
Model#24
Fit: 2.369
avatar
Roman Pannonian
77.2%
avatar
Eastern Armenian (Artaxiad Period)
22.8%
Model#38
Fit: 2.428
avatar
Imperial Roman (Latium)
48.2%
avatar
Roman Pannonian
51.8%
Model#46
Fit: 2.475
avatar
Visigoth (Iberia)
27.6%
avatar
Imperial Roman (Picenum)
72.4%
MA:
Model#42
Fit: 2.350
avatar
Byzantine Dalmatian (Tragurium)
49.3%
avatar
Medieval Albanian
50.7%Model#19
Fit: 2.233
avatar
Medieval Iberian (Rome)
31.5%
avatar
Post-Medieval Anatolian Greek (Balıkesir)
68.5%
Model#50
Fit: 2.392
avatar
Medieval Central Italian (Tarquinia)
45.8%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Mainlander (Roopkund)
54.2%
Model#15
Fit: 2.184
avatar
Medieval Albanian
94.1%
avatar
Medieval Magyar (Southern Urals)
5.9%
Model#16
Fit: 2.195
avatar
West European Crusader (Sidon)
25.6%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
74.4%
Model#31
Fit: 2.310
avatar
Norse Viking (Sigtuna)
19.8%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
80.2%
Model#35
Fit: 2.336
avatar
Medieval Dane (Zealand)
21.8%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
78.2%
Model#36
Fit: 2.337
avatar
Medieval Frisian (Groningen)
21.3%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
78.7%
Model#37
Fit: 2.337
avatar
Early Norse (Greenland)
19.7%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
80.3%
Model#38
Fit: 2.338
avatar
Norse Viking (Oppland)
19%
avatar
Post-Medieval Greek Islander (Roopkund)
81%

[~Elizabeth~]

My Illustrative DNA Unsupervised Ancient Populations Latest Version Mixed Mode top matches

Bronze Age
Two Way
Corded Ware Culture 60.3%
Funnelbeaker Culture 39.7%


Bronze Age
Three Way
Corded Ware Culture 59.4%
Funnelbeaker Culture 39.6%
Papuan 1%


Iron Age
Two Way
Frisli 47.2%
Hallstatt Culture 52.8%

Iron Age
Three Way
Frisli 46.7%
Hallstatt Culture 51.5%
Aboriginal Australian 1.8%


Roman Age
Two Way
Ostrogoth (Pannonia) 60.3%
Visigoth (Iberia) 39.7%

Roman Age
Three Way
Ostrogoth (Pannonia) 60%
Visigoth (Iberia) 38.7%
Papuan 1.3%


Middle Ages
Two Way
Johannes Corvinus (Hunyadi Family) 43.9%
Norse Viking (Nordland) 56.1%


Middle Ages
Three Way
Medieval Breton (Quiberon) 56.6%
Post-Medieval Syrmia 41.4%
Late Prehistoric Micronesian (Pohnpei) 2%