Classify & Guess Ethnicity

[Æmeric]

Anyone want to classify & guess his ethnicity?


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/Aemeric/tatlitug.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/Aemeric/12qu7xd9.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/Aemeric/meneksekivanc1hg0.jpg

[Arrow Cross]

Brad Pitt wannabe? :p

[Vulpix]

Ok, I am by no means an authority :embarrassed, but I'll add my 2 cents. My guess is some Faelid / subnordid type. Looks quite Germanic, maybe German or Danish.

[Vulpix]

Brad Pitt is Faelid, so I see you agree with my assessment :p:D.


Brad Pitt wannabe? :p

[Æmeric]

He reminds me of Tom Brady. Brady has been classified as Faelid or part Faelid at other forums.


http://i.ivillage.com/LS/Slideshows/celebsigns/LS_Brady_325.jpg
http://brightstarlights.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/tom-brady-2.jpg

[Loyalist]

I don't see the Faelid, as he entirely lacks the appropriate jaw structure. There's something almost Armenoid about his mouth, and I would guess he's Russian or South-Eastern European.

[WinterMoon]

Is there a full profile shot? I'll say..... Nordid+Baltid.

[Æmeric]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/Aemeric/15.jpg

This is the best profile shot I could find that wouldn't give a clue to his ethnicity.

[WinterMoon]

I know the ethnicity now, but I won't give it away. ;)

BTW, in profile I was surprised that his nose is relatively straight. In the pics at the beginning I would have guessed concave. He also looks much darker in that final pic, although wiki claims he is blonde/blue. imdb gives height at just under 6'3", in case anyone wants to know.

I found a really good profile, and I don't think it gives anything away, so I hope you don't mind me posting it, Æmeric. :)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/125/c80w0235lr0gx5jd4.jpg

[Æmeric]

I don't think there are going to be any other guesses so here it is: His name is Kıvanç Tatlıtuğ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%B1van%C3%A7_Tatl%C4%B1tu%C4%9F) & he's Turkish! Doesn't look like your typical Turk. Must have a lot of Polish or other Slav ancestry from the Turkish & Muslim slave raidingf era. Or maybe he gets his DNA from the Galatians & Phrygians (?).


I don't see the Faelid, as he entirely lacks the appropriate jaw structure. There's something almost Armenoid about his mouth, and I would guess he's Russian or South-Eastern European.

Well he's Turkish so he very well could have Armenid admixture.


I know the ethnicity now, but I won't give it away. ;)

BTW, in profile I was surprised that his nose is relatively straight. In the pics at the beginning I would have guessed concave. He also looks much darker in that final pic, although wiki claims he is blonde/blue. imdb gives height at just under 6'3", in case anyone wants to know.
He look as if he could have been blond as a child & maybe his hair lightens up in the Sun. Blondism doesn't look unnatural in his case, it goes with his taxonomy.

I found a really good profile, and I don't think it gives anything away, so I hope you don't mind me posting it, Æmeric. :)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/125/c80w0235lr0gx5jd4.jpgThat's his girlfriend Azra Akin, former Miss World & Miss Turkey. The only good profile pics I could find of him was with her & I didn't know how welll known she is in Europe.

[Loki]

Well that is a surprise. :eek:

Turkey has a long history of European inhabitance though, we shouldn't be too surprised. He must be on the most Europid spectrum of the Turkish population.

It can also be noted that the British politician Boris Johnson is of Turkish origin ... and that his white-blond hair comes from the Turkish lineage apparently.

http://www.strangersintocitizens.org.uk/images/boris_johnson_3.jpg

[Vulpix]

What a surprise indeed :eek:...


http://www.guzelresim.info/unlu-resimleri/kivanc-tatlitug-resimleri/kivanc_tatlitug.jpg


He could fool maybe even Agrippa :D!

[Vulpix]

There is something visible in this picture that I think indicates Turkish influence: there seems to be an "indentation" towards the top part of the nose, around the eye area... Does anyone see what I mean?


http://www.fanoos.com/ia/kivanc_tatlitug.jpg

[Loki]

Yes I see it too, good point Arctic Fox. It's possibly Armenoid ...

[Æmeric]

There is something visible in this picture that I think indicates Turkish influence: there seems to be an "indentation" towards the top part of the nose, around the eye area... Does anyone see what I mean?


http://www.fanoos.com/ia/kivanc_tatlitug.jpgIn some pics, including the one above, there is something "exotic" but I can't put my finger on it. But depending on the angle, he appears in some photos to be more of a Nordish + Armenoid/Medish mix rather then Northern European. As he gets older maybe his Middle Eastern traits will become more apparent.

[Loyalist]

Ah close, still quite surprised by this unusual phenotype though. Keep in mind that, in addition to the aforementioned European groups, Normans also settled in Antiochia (now Antakya) in southern Turkey, thus providing a further injection of Germanic blood into the Turkish genepool.

[Loki]

I don't see the Faelid, as he entirely lacks the appropriate jaw structure. There's something almost Armenoid about his mouth, and I would guess he's Russian or South-Eastern European.

This was a very good assessment. :thumbs up

[Johnny Bravo]

According to Lebzelter (IIRC), about 1% of Turks are Nordid, so...

[Lenny]

Apparently a lot (all?) of his genetics is of very recent European origin... His great-grandparents were Yugoslav Muslims:

Kivanç Tatlitug was born on October 27, 1983. He is a Turkish male actor and supermodel of Bosniak origin. Born in Adana, Turkey.
http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/fashion/Kivanc-Tatlitug.html


He is from a semi Bosnian and semi Serbian origin ,when they first came to Turkey in order to escape from the Balkan Wars during 1912-3. Those escaping to Turkey during the Balkan Wars were all muslim Balkan residents.
http://akelhawa.com/kivanctatlitug/kivanc-tatlitug-origins/

(This message was posted by a Turk).As is the case with these immigrant groups, we can assume that they married other exiled Bosnians until very recently. So it is a good bet he is at least 50% European [one of his parents being full-Bosniak by ancestry, one Turk], or maybe even 100% European [both parents being Bosniak-ancestry].



It can also be noted that the British politician Boris Johnson is of Turkish originHe is only 1/8th Turk.

[Æmeric]

Well then that would explain it. I noticed during the news broadcasts of the Bosnian War that many of the Bosniaks (Muslims) were very Nordish looking. I guess since they converted to Islam their women were safe from sexual assault by the Turks.

[Johnny Bravo]

Serbian anthropologists (Maleš IIRC) noted that the Muslim parts of Bosnia had some of the most depigmented populations in the Balkans.

[Johnny Bravo]

According to Lebzelter (IIRC), about 1% of Turks are Nordid, so...

Here are the figures. 0.9% are Nordid or Nordoid according to Lebzelter:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4609/balkanmi0.jpg

[Lenny]

Serbian anthropologists (Maleš IIRC) noted that the Muslim parts of Bosnia had some of the most depigmented populations in the Balkans.That seems illogical at first (since Muslim = darker is the general rule), but if we consider how some of the South-Slavs came to be Muslims in the first place, it makes sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was the Turks' excessive taxes on Christians that "inspired" many conversions in the old days. Some of the wealthy middle-class types converted to dodge the dhimmi taxes. Since upper-middle classes tend to always be lighter than the national norm (also a general rule), it makes perfect sense that they would be the lightest.

That being said, the only Bosniak I personally know is quite dark. :p

[Absinthe]

..I've once visited the shores of Turkey and saw great racial diversity, from europid types, to intermediate europid-orientalid, armenoid, etc...to darkmost kurdish orcs from the depths of Mordor!

A turkish guy named Mustafa that was serving me beers at Sarimsakli beach looked as if he came straight out of the Jungle Book :D while next to me there was a fair, blue-eyed middle-aged man reading a turkish newspaper :coffee: and he could have passed as a central european easily. So go figure.

Low-brow stories aside, let's keep in mind that the Turkish ethnos is an artificial one, comprised of many ethnicities and racial types, ranging from southeastern Eurppean to downright central asian.

Ataturk himself was very, very progressive:

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/wp-content/upload/kemal_ataturk.jpg

...and I believe that a large part of his successful image and how strong an imprint it has on the turkish collective unconscious, is due to that proggressiveness.

Needless to say, it is doubtful that his picture would hang in every wall, in every house, every school and every public service, if he had looked, e.g.
like this:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9673/aturkishmansizedpa7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/aturkishmansizedpa7.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img148/aturkishmansizedpa7.jpg/1/)

:D

You get the point.

Back to the original question, the guy looks east-baltid/CM with possible armenoid or dinaric admixture.