I decited to become Muslim again

[Ahmet Faruk]

Last night i was read the Quran seriously for the first time.

I couldn't stop my tears at some verses.

The sinful, atheistic and nihilistic life I lived for many years dragged me into constant misery.

And I decided to choose a religion for myself.

When I looked at the world, I witnessed that humanity was becoming more and more morally corrupt and its generations were being corrupted.

They lost their identity in the life of pleasure. Their lineage is very close to extinction. Allah cut off His blessing on them.

Life lived in pleasure leads the human soul to a painful path.

I accepted that the best and Incorruptible religion is Islam.

I realized that the best thing for myself is to pay attention to what is haram. The sins we commit cause us to experience hell in this world, even if there is no afterlife.

I still have some doubts, but I think I will clear these doubts.

So accept me again, my brothers.


selamun aleykum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6cCge_8eJs

[Ugo]

I am Orthodox, but I will tell you - THANK you! Your religion is very strong.
Islam, adhered to it. Hate the weak, respect the strong. We will do a lot together!

[Victor]

Last night i was read the Quran seriously for the first time.

I couldn't stop my tears at some verses.

So, you know Arabic language?

[Ahmet Faruk]

So, you know Arabic language?

No. There are Turkish translations

[Sacrificed Ram]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac03KZdNfb4

[Aila]

Well, before one starts to fight the evils of the world clearly outside one’s good and righteous self, doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible to seek God first?
Oh, it does:

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Quran?

Because ….
(I’m learning the Bible here, be it ever so selectively):

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Quran?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojn0pBem954&ab_channel=%22Unselfyourself%22

[Dick]

Moon worship with a whiff of jewish Saturnian circle jerking...literally. Pagan Monotheism.


Freemasons believe that Lucifer visited Mohammed and not Gabriel. That's why Freemasons have a hard-on for Islam.



https://media.tenor.com/aqqgcPtTHi8AAAAC/kaaba-mecca.gif

[Victor]

Freemasons believe that Lucifer visited Mohammed and not Gabriel. That's why Freemasons have a hard-on for Islam.


Orthodox Christian researches of Islam also consider that Mohammed was visited by demon. In OC visit of angels never lead to any extatic or possesed conditions, otherwise it leads to some kind of sober mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kssRnn4wW1o

[catgeorge]

Islam is degenerate - when you die you go to heaven to 72 virgins.

I mean WTF is this ? Since when has a faith become porn?

No wonder Islamics are rapies extraordinaires.

[Dick]

Well, before one starts to fight the evils of the world clearly outside one’s good and righteous self, doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible to seek God first?
Oh, it does:

Quran?

Because ….
(I’m learning the Bible here, be it ever so selectively):

Quran?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojn0pBem954&ab_channel=%22Unselfyourself%22

Jesus is the Sun, the Ascended Master.


"a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters" Luke 22:10...We are in the final days of human corruption...."jabs", wars, manipulation of finance.

NOTHING will be hidden in the Age of Aquarius. Unfortunately it wll be a few thousand years until all humans become clairvoyant...the Age of Capricorn. This will be the Age when peoplekind and the world as it will be known will finally end.


https://i.imgur.com/yi5I3Ib.png


Jesus was the sacrificial lamb (Ovis Aries) that ended the age of Aries and ushered in the Age of Pisces.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBvrT2gNYgy67_8UffNoOKjEeJ-s2-WzGdkg&usqp=CAU

[Aila]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kssRnn4wW1o

3:19 to 3:32

!

To add:
One acknowledges the truth - where one hears it, unless one is a complete a-hole only wishing to validate the ego-stand as the 'Victor'.

[Loki]

Jesus is the Sun, the Ascended Master.


"a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters" Luke 22:10...We are in the final days of human corruption...."jabs", wars, manipulation of finance.

NOTHING will be hidden in the Age of Aquarius. Unfortunately it wll be a few thousand years until all humans become clairvoyant...the Age of Capricorn. This will be the Age when peoplekind and the world as it will be known will finally end.


https://i.imgur.com/yi5I3Ib.png


Jesus was the sacrificial lamb (Ovis Aries) that ended the age of Aries and ushered in the Age of Pisces.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBvrT2gNYgy67_8UffNoOKjEeJ-s2-WzGdkg&usqp=CAU

You need to lay off the New Age my friend. Jesus is not "an ascended master", he is the Son of God. No Christian says that Jesus is an "ascended master". It's blasphemy.

[Loki]

So, you know Arabic language?

I doubt it, he's a troll, now banned.

[Victor]

One acknowledges the truth - where one hears it, unless one is a complete a-hole only wishing to validate the ego-stand as the 'Victor'.

Jesus Christ is the only Truth and path of Salvation not dependent on me, I dunno what does it have to do with ego, I'm not a leader of cult of myself. There's no salvation from false "god" named Allah the Muslims are worshiping and he has nothing in common with Holy Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Blondie]

I doubt it, he's a troll, now banned.

He already had several banned account.

[Grace O'Malley]

Islam is degenerate - when you die you go to heaven to 72 virgins.

I mean WTF is this ? Since when has a faith become porn?

No wonder Islamics are rapies extraordinaires.

Sex is for the physical body and for procreation not spiritual. What's the point of having sex when your body is gone? :) That 72 virgin bit is just a man's masturbatory dream.

https://media.tenor.com/aHzENTzSv8UAAAAC/no-offense-just-kidding.gif

[Ugo]

Sex is for the physical body and for procreation not spiritual. What's the point of having sex when your body is gone? :) That 72 virgin bit is just a man's masturbatory dream.

https://media.tenor.com/aHzENTzSv8UAAAAC/no-offense-just-kidding.gif
Sex is a spiritual emotion. The main thing is not friction, but the emotions of mastering a woman, her personality. For these 2 minutes you become her lord and king. Without love for a woman, it will be very boring in paradise.

[Grace O'Malley]

Sex is a spiritual emotion. The main thing is not friction, but the emotions of mastering a woman, her personality. For these 2 minutes you become her lord and king. Without love for a woman, it will be very boring in paradise.

I wouldn't have a clue what Heaven is like. Anyway to me Heaven is a nice cup of tea watching a good thriller or Ireland winning at rugby. :p

[Ugo]

I wouldn't have a clue what Heaven is like. Anyway to me Heaven is a nice cup of tea watching a good thriller or Ireland winning at rugby. :p

I think that paradise for a person after death will be the way a person programmed himself during life. Muslims will have 76 virgins and hot sex. Christians will sit on a cloud and listen to the prayer service forever. Atheists will disappear. Those who believe in a second life will get it.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think that paradise for a person after death will be the way a person programmed himself during life. Muslims will have 76 virgins and hot sex. Christians will sit on a cloud and listen to the prayer service forever. Atheists will disappear. Those who believe in a second life will get it.

To me paradise would be seeing my parents again and loved ones that are no longer here. I'd be happy also if I could see some beloved pets. In the end it isn't something I think about too much other than wishing I could see my parents again.

[Loki]

Sex is a spiritual emotion. The main thing is not friction, but the emotions of mastering a woman, her personality. For these 2 minutes you become her lord and king. Without love for a woman, it will be very boring in paradise.

Definitely not spiritual, it's very carnal, a desire of the flesh.

[Victor]

Islamic paradise is literally endless eating without going full and endless drinking of wine which does not make drunk and endless sex with 72 succub-like demons, so called huris. It's really a hell. Spend eternity eating never getting enough, drinking without getting enough, having endless sex on some forced basis. Passions of gluttony, drunkenness and fornication will probably become one of main tortures for Muslims in hell, which they suppose to be their paradise, as they literally live for it and ready to die and kill for it.

There's no spirituality in Islam at all. It's a calvinist-like predestinated religion where human has no freedom of will and doomed for paradise or hell from the beginning. In the earthly sense Islam is more a political ideology and some kind of instruction of building World order than religion, in spiritual meaning it's nothing as everything in Islam is based on flesh, including rewards after death, surely fake rewards of the devil, same one who deceived the possessed Muhammad.

[black hole]

I remember Wadaad was the only one member who could keep continuing with debates in such kind of topics, unfortunately he is not a forum member anymore. I liked him as a person. The OP's is an obvious troll and it's not his level to participate in discussion.

[Loki]

Sex is a spiritual emotion. The main thing is not friction, but the emotions of mastering a woman, her personality. For these 2 minutes you become her lord and king. Without love for a woman, it will be very boring in paradise.

Paradise/heaven will absolutely not be boring, because it will be filled with the presence of God -- which is incomparable to any experience on earth between a man and a woman. God's love and presence is our source, he is our creator who fulfills our every need.

[DomitiusAurelian]

I doubt it, he's a troll, now banned.

What's the reason he got banned?

[happycow]

:picard1:

[Sacrificed Ram]

As the OP was banned, what is the need of this thread be open?

The only answer for christians is no man can claim be God, or he is a liar, or it is a false history. God is so infinte that can't be contained in an only man. Moses himself was not even capable to look onto God without be destroyed, a man to contain God would explode like a multitude of nuclear bombs, beyond it, a multitute of big bangs.

Even if I chop down all trees of the world, and multiply if for seven, it will be not capable to contain the whole science of God...
https://i.ibb.co/9Hc7wsV/gnosis.jpg

[Loki]

As the OP was banned, what is the need of this thread be open?

The only answer for christians is no man can claim be God, or he is a liar, or it is a false history. God is so infinte that can't be contained in an only man. Moses himself was not even capable to look onto God without be destroyed, a man to contain God would explode like a multitude of nuclear bombs, beyond it, a multitute of big bangs.

Even if I chop down all trees of the world, and multiply if for seven, it will be not capable to contain the whole science of God...
https://i.ibb.co/9Hc7wsV/gnosis.jpg

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Why did you mention Christians? We're not looking for answers, we already have the answer.

[Sacrificed Ram]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Why did you mention Christians? We're not looking for answers, we already have the answer.

Wasn't me that put Bible verses in a thread about Islam...

It is useless to have the answer if you don't remember the ask...

[Sacrificed Ram]

The Kingdom of Heaven is like ten virgins...

Matthew 25:1,13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mateus+25%3A1-13&version=NASB)

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Islamic paradise is literally endless eating without going full and endless drinking of wine which does not make drunk and endless sex with 72 succub-like demons, so called huris. It's really a hell. Spend eternity eating never getting enough, drinking without getting enough, having endless sex on some forced basis. Passions of gluttony, drunkenness and fornication will probably become one of main tortures for Muslims in hell, which they suppose to be their paradise, as they literally live for it and ready to die and kill for it.

There's no spirituality in Islam at all. It's a calvinist-like predestinated religion where human has no freedom of will and doomed for paradise or hell from the beginning. In the earthly sense Islam is more a political ideology and some kind of instruction of building World order than religion, in spiritual meaning it's nothing as everything in Islam is based on flesh, including rewards after death, surely fake rewards of the devil, same one who deceived the possessed Muhammad.

That's a very good criticism of Islam (although I'm certain they don't believe in pre-destination, but otherwise very good). It's a religion devoid of abstract thought. They even put limitations on an omnipotent being. For example, they mock the Immaculate Conception. Apparently, God can create the universe but he can't control nature...

[Loki]

Wasn't me that put Bible verses in a thread about Islam...

It is useless to have the answer if you don't remember the ask...

You keep on talking cryptic, but I do get the sense of hatred from you towards the Christian faith. But I tell you, Jesus is the only way to heaven, he is God in the flesh who died for our sins to set us free.

[Sacrificed Ram]

You keep on talking cryptic, but I do get the sense of hatred from you towards the Christian faith. But I tell you, Jesus is the only way to heaven, he is God in the flesh who died for our sins to set us free.

Man, I was just joking, but my joke, is their song of war...

[Loki]

Man, I was just joking, but my joke, is their song of war...

Who's song of war?

[Sacrificed Ram]

Who's song of war?

But heven't you the answer? Wrong answer doesn't fulfiill a question.

Sometimes christians have a so great ignorance about their own religion, that they criticize their own religion when they try criticize other religions, and they give only argument for atheists.

[Loki]

But heven't you the answer? Wrong answer doesn't fulfiill a question.

Sometimes christians have a so great ignorance about their own religion, that they criticize their own religion when they try criticize other religions, and they give only argument for atheists.

Isn't it significant that atheists mainly hate Christianity more than anything else. Is it because they know that it's the truth of God, but they are rebellious against God?

I don't view the Christian faith as a religion. Sure, I suppose if you look at some denominations' rituals and traditions, yes. But in essence, as the Bible says, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes. It is reality.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Isn't it significant that atheists mainly hate Christianity more than anything else. Is it because they know that it's the truth of God, but they are rebellious against God?

I don't view the Christian faith as a religion. Sure, I suppose if you look at some denominations' rituals and traditions, yes. But in essence, as the Bible says, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes. It is reality.

As calvinist you know the Grace is irresistible, independently of belief or not, the belief is the result of Grace, not a choice.

As Jung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) said, a christian will be ever a good buddahist, and a buddahis a splendid christian. It is about how we neglect the basis of our beliefs to talk about the beliefs of others...

[Loki]

As calvinist you know the Grace is irresistible, independently of belief or not, the belief is the result of Grace, not a choice.


I'm not a Calvinist. My ancestors may have been, but I'm not.



As Jung (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung) said, a christian will be ever a good buddahist, and a buddahis a splendid christian. It is about how we neglect the basis of our beliefs to talk about the beliefs of others...

Nah, you miss the point because you think it's all about different traditions of beliefs or dogma. But it isn't. God is actually real, Jesus actually died
2000 years ago and rose from the dead, we actually don't die when our bodies die, but are subject to the judgement of God in the "afterlife".

By the way, I know of Buddhists who found Jesus and are now born again, Spirit filled Christians who are every bit as much a Christian as I am. Same with people from every other previous non-Christian background. And I can show you their testimonies. It's not a secret.

[Sacrificed Ram]

I'm not a Calvinist. My ancestors may have been, but I'm not.

But undoubtably you know even demons in Hell believe in God (James 2:19 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202%3A19&version=NIV)), to believe isn't enough, the Grace is the source of salvation.

The Grace of God covers whole existence, we aren't here to be judges of believers or unbelievers , but to be instruments of the Grace.

[Loki]

But undoubtably you know even demons in Hell believe in God (James 2:19 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202%3A19&version=NIV)), to believe isn't enough, the Grace is the source of salvation.


Of course! I won't argue with that. It's only by the grace of God. He is a loving, merciful God -- so much so that he died for us in order to rescue us.



The Grace of God covers whole existence, we aren't here to be judges of believers or unbelievers , but to be instruments of the Grace.

1 Corinthians 2:15
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

Jesus gave his disciples a great commission to preach the Gospel to everyone. And that's exactly what they have done, even though it cost most of them their lives.

If you have the truth, it would be selfish not to share it with others. Jesus is the Truth.

[Aila]

I don’t know Islam from a bar of soap and have only listened a little what the Sufis have said.
But trance is familiar to me and so is devotion. Hence, I gravitate towards Rumi poetry and find it heartfelt and beautiful.

Didn’t know the Orthodox Church puts so much emphasis on the Primordial Light, therefore I was pleasantly surprised and pleased this was so.
BUT. To say that the Orthodox Church is the only one that speaks the truth about it would be so arrogant.

This “Mantra” to me is not true devotion to God:
https://www.leunig.com.au/images/recent-cartoons/mantra-W.jpg

How do we know what God’s design for another person is, the ways through which he/she is guided through life to realize the living God’s presence (the “I AM” as I understand it, out of which the Light Energy emanates, radiates).
Besides, that living Light is beyond any thought/concept, it is nondual, hence beyond the separation of I and the Light i.e. there is no Light nor l, only shining.
Pretending to know God’s design is only a way or only our efforts to validate ourselves, our egoistical “I am”.
And if we are ever shown the God’s design beforehand, the mind (our limited thinking) would never believe it anyways.

Buddhists, I trust, call this Light “Clear light”
Clear=Emptiness
Light=Awareness
Clear Light=Union of Emptiness and Light

Not sure about the opening meditation, but thought the rest was good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK4TShXmkmw&ab_channel=AnandaSanghaWorldwide

What does Quran say about the Light?

[Loki]

https://youtu.be/OmUaxq4Oecw?si=WiwEiyYkwTSqVDEd

[Dick]

I don’t know Islam from a bar of soap

I know people personally that went to Imams to cast spells for them. Of course they won't do it free.

According to them it worked....

Islam and judaism are the same....Saturnian magick.

Kaaba, the holiest place in the Islamic World, a large cube-shaped building inside the al-Masjid al-Haram mosque in Mecca.

Kabbalah is an esoteric method, discipline and school of thought in jewish mysticism.

The Ottomans welcomed the Spehardi jews fleeing from Spain during the inquisition with open arms while they were impaling Christians.

[Dick]

Mind you, these were love spells so the Imams needed certain "ingredients"

[Aila]

Mind you, these were love spells so the Imams needed certain "ingredients"

Thank you Dick, for your answers to my posts.
I don’t at times respond, because I do not know how to and often, I just have to leave things stated on the shelf of my mind as an open question mark.

Well, trying to fight the demons of my own mind to “keep it humble, open and teachable” …

Wonder if those spells can keep them Djinns away – who or whatever they now are?
And do I really want to know :icon_eek: :faint2:

[Dick]

Well, trying to fight the demons of my own mind to “keep it humble, open and teachable” …


That made me laugh. That's Pluto in your 12th house. Don't let Pluto get the best of you when you're on the interwebz. You have a beautiful mind without that motherfucker trying to confuse you.



Wonder if those spells can keep them Djinns away – who or whatever they now are?
And do I really want to know :icon_eek: :faint2:

Djinn =genie. Who do you think Imams call upon when casting spells?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/7JEGCK4E0W8SPSk84m/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952v8dlyrb9ql9a8a2g2wjndcdhlxt5u 55q6n3sj974&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g


Djinn = exoteric "demon"

Genie = esoteric spellcaster and a swell guy!

[Dick]

Speaking of Pluto...


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/b6/16/f1b616f3a8a952f68362306509a2c4ef.gif


Walt, you silly lucifer worshipping masonic rascal.

[Loki]

Thank you Dick, for your answers to my posts.
I don’t at times respond, because I do not know how to and often, I just have to leave things stated on the shelf of my mind as an open question mark.

Well, trying to fight the demons of my own mind to “keep it humble, open and teachable” …

Wonder if those spells can keep them Djinns away – who or whatever they now are?
And do I really want to know :icon_eek: :faint2:

There is only one who can keep those demons away, and that is Jesus Christ. I'm being totally serious, this is the truth.

[Sacrificed Ram]

1 Corinthians 2:15
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."


The words of Jesus Himself is more elucidative:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Matthew 7:1-2 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A1-5&version=NIV)

[Sacrificed Ram]

What does Quran say about the Light?

Something like Gnosis, something thanslated as "Science", but is needful a full domain of arab language to have the context of islamic concepts.

Even christians have some similar concept: Epignosis (1 Corinthians 13:12 (https://www.blueletterbible.org/tr/1co/13/1/t_conc_1075012))

[Victor]

The words of Jesus Himself is more elucidative:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Matthew 7:1-2 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A1-5&version=NIV)

We literally MUST judge the actions and deeds, to know what is right or wrong, judge the sin, not the sinner, tolerance towards sin makes the sinner go even deeper into it.

[Loki]

The words of Jesus Himself is more elucidative:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Matthew 7:1-2 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A1-5&version=NIV)

That is not a contradiction, see Victor's answer. And the one does not invalidate the other. 1 Corinthians 2:15 is addressing born again, Spirit filled Christians and contrasts the spiritual man with the non-spiritual. But nice try.

The Matthew verse speaks of judging people, whereas the 1 Corinthians text refers to judging "things", not pronouncing judgement on individuals. So, it's apples and pears.

[Aila]

Something like Gnosis, something thanslated as "Science", but is needful a full domain of arab language to have the context of islamic concepts.

Even christians have some similar concept: Epignosis (1 Corinthians 13:12 (https://www.blueletterbible.org/tr/1co/13/1/t_conc_1075012))
Thank you, that was beautiful. If I understood it right, it just expresses how in reality the veil of separation is gradually lifted.
A person once in awe and a bit bewildered by it all happening called the lifting of the veil a “Mirrorcle.” Heh.
Wish I would have come up with such a description.


The Grace of God covers whole existence, we aren't here to be judges of believers or unbelievers, but to be instruments of the Grace.
Also beautiful.

I do not think God granted us the right to judge, but (in openness to Holy Spirit) - the gift of discernment.
Those 2 are different processes.


Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I guess - this too is a Mirrorcle.

[Aila]

Speakers for Sufism:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRGP6OBgTtY&ab_channel=GoldenSufiCenter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjCd1ZVNZec&ab_channel=SoundingsMindfulMedia

[Loki]

Iranian Muslim family finds Jesus in a miraculous way. Wonderful testimony! Jesus is reaching out to Muslims.


https://youtu.be/-7bR-1W9c9s?si=U884ZN7fEQ2Qdm87

[Annie999]

Sex is a spiritual emotion. The main thing is not friction, but the emotions of mastering a woman, her personality. For these 2 minutes you become her lord and king. Without love for a woman, it will be very boring in paradise.

And of course the muslim orgy afterlife reward is for men only :rolleyes: or will women also get to party?? Oh no, instead women get to be virgin again for all eternity. LOL. This is such made up bs. and also disgusting.

[Ugo]

And of course the orgy afterlife reward is for men only :rolleyes: or will women also get to party with 72 men?? Oh no, faithful muslim women get to be young and virgin again for all eternity. LOL. This is such made up bs.I am Orthodox. We Orthodox are destined to sit on a cloud and dangle our legs for eternity, watching as someone has 72 mistresses on the next cloud.

[White Swan]

If you believe in Christ, you must believe in predestination. It is a categorization error to reject this notion just because other religions use it wrongfully.

God is sovereign. The highest faith Jesus pointed out for us was in a man who knew the command of the Lord was enough. Combine that with how the Lord already told us his intention, which is his command, which is manifested indubitably, unlike ours, which is only an illusion of choice/power. God is either sovereign and Jesus was correct to say this was the strongest faith or he was wrong and God is not sovereign/all powerful which would be gnostic because he would be in an actual battle against evil.

We either let go of our own will (opposite of new age "the secret" type teachings) or we accept that we are created by an all knowing and loving God.

There is no real faith without predestination. It is common sense.

Also, I agree with Loki on pretty much everything else.

[White Swan]

If you believe in Christ, you must believe in predestination. It is a categorization error to reject this notion just because other religions use it wrongfully.

God is sovereign. The highest faith Jesus pointed out for us was in a man who knew the command of the Lord was enough. Combine that with how the Lord already told us his intention, which is his command, which is manifested indubitably, unlike ours, which is only an illusion of choice/power. God is either sovereign and Jesus was correct to say this was the strongest faith or he was wrong and God is not sovereign/all powerful which would be gnostic because he would be in an actual battle against evil.

We either let go of our own will (opposite of new age "the secret" type teachings) or we accept that we are created by an all knowing and loving God.

There is no real faith without predestination. It is common sense.

Also, I agree with Loki on pretty much everything else.

Lastly, thinking through this thread and the repeatedly banned poster. Maybe this is a way that a Muslim tries to convert others and identify those who remain "infidels", who dare to debate. If that is the case, I'd want it to be clear that you can do this and it doesn't matter how many "infadel" Christians you find, because my Father's sovereignty is always first on my mind, and I don't need 72 virgins to intice me to advocate for His will. In fact, the very presence of a Christ denier is under the scope of my Father, a character in His story. Also, the Muslim "faith" is based on being the firstborn of Abhraham through Ishmael and man's law being such that the firstborn is always the receiver of grace, so explain to these people why being more like a litigious pharisee who presumes that man's way is best is closer to the Father of Jesus Christ who was killed by pharisees, also by his own will and wisdom. Lol

[Aila]

Iranian Muslim family finds Jesus in a miraculous way. Wonderful testimony! Jesus is reaching out to Muslims.

I have to agree with you, that was a very good testimony. Clear. Much better than many of those NDE astral trip interpretations to “Heaven” and/or to “Hell” - both which are said to be “Astral Realms” we supposedly go after death.
It has also been claimed that the Astral World has many planes of vibrational frequency. In the lower planes the demonic and negative entities are witnessed – in the higher planes people witness Jesus and other ascended masters …

Don’t know – maybe (?)
But I do think that the level of our ‘soul’s evolution’ or ‘devolution’ has got to do with the vibration of our energy-fields, as everything about us is ‘written’ in our energy-fields and also that all of our visions do come through the astral body, asleep or awake ….

So, nothing wrong with the Astral World and its visions as such, it is only if we – rather than choosing to be focused on the “Kingdom of God” (intent focus which has its own inbuilt protection) - choose to seek ‘powers’ for the ego through some entities in the astral instead - that things can go horribly pear-shaped. And I assume, that is what those “Djinns” are. (?)


But, then again … good advices, good pointers are nothing to sneeze at …
If we remember to keep that light in our hearts pure, devoted, we will find our way “home” as Rumi pointed.
Buddhists kinda say the same thing … Bring your head and your heart together …. focus on where you are going and not the oncoming traffic ….

Although always easier to say than ….

[Loki]

I have to agree with you, that was a very good testimony. Clear. Much better than many of those NDE astral trip interpretations to “Heaven” and/or to “Hell” - both which are said to be “Astral Realms” we supposedly go after death.
It has also been claimed that the Astral World has many planes of vibrational frequency. In the lower planes the demonic and negative entities are witnessed – in the higher planes people witness Jesus and other ascended masters …

Don’t know – maybe (?)
But I do think that the level of our ‘soul’s evolution’ or ‘devolution’ has got to do with the vibration of our energy-fields, as everything about us is ‘written’ in our energy-fields and also that all of our visions do come through the astral body, asleep or awake ….

So, nothing wrong with the Astral World and its visions as such, it is only if we – rather than choosing to be focused on the “Kingdom of God” (intent focus which has its own inbuilt protection) - choose to seek ‘powers’ for the ego through some entities in the astral instead - that things can go horribly pear-shaped. And I assume, that is what those “Djinns” are. (?)



Please be careful about the vast influence of the New Age religious/spiritual ideas these days.

For instance, the Jesus they think they know or talk about as *an ascended master" is not the real Jesus of the Bible, but is a demonic fake Jesus. The real Jesus is not an ascended master, he is the Son of God, God who came in the flesh to reconcile mankind to himself.

I have also heard that demons show people a "fake heaven", to trick those who don't know the truth about God and heaven. This spiritual "fake heaven" is shown to some people in NDE's by demons who pretend to be relatives of the person, but actually isn't.

That is why it is so important that we are grounded in the Word of God, and filled with the Holy Spirit, who gives us discernment.

[Loki]

Here's another dedicated Iranian Muslim who met Jesus, and his whole life changed.


https://youtu.be/eUowhkRhZ9Q?si=JPMcWeECv2F4-7aE

[Aila]

Here is the same guy, but when he talks about “spiritual beings” on the “spiritual realm” from 2:36 onwards, that just sounds like astral entities or astral parasites on the astral realms and contacting those, I trust, is just madness or leads to madness …..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgCGFemNNQ&ab_channel=YustosAnthony

That is not the “spiritual realm” in my books … spiritual level is more like the “causal realm”, which is beyond all this nonsense. No wonder why folks’ minds are so preoccupied by thoughts of demons and evils etc. and in such a need for saving …

So that is why it has been said that the prophet may have been visited by a demon (…….?)

Also in the previous testimony, almost everyone in the family had had the same dream at the same time …. which shows they all had/have astral abilities …

Still, curious …

[Loki]

Here is the same guy, but when he talks about “spiritual beings” on the “spiritual realm” from 2:36 onwards, that just sounds like astral entities or astral parasites on the astral realms and contacting those, I trust, is just madness or leads to madness …..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgCGFemNNQ&ab_channel=YustosAnthony

That is not the “spiritual realm” in my books … spiritual level is more like the “causal realm”, which is beyond all this nonsense. No wonder why folks’ minds are so preoccupied by thoughts of demons and evils etc. and in such a need for saving …

So that is why it has been said that the prophet may have been visited by a demon (…….?)

Also in the previous testimony, almost everyone in the family had had the same dream at the same time …. which shows they all had/have astral abilities …

Still, curious …

I get that it's your current understanding/point of view. But what if you're wrong about this? :) You're searching for the truth, right?

[Aila]

I get that it's your current understanding/point of view. But what if you're wrong about this? :) You're searching for the truth, right?

I cannot deny the Source, the All-Pervading-Light nor Christ Consciousness nor Born Again experiences etc. but that is a very long story.
But the parallels found in all so-called spiritual traditions are an interest of mine.

[Loki]

I cannot deny the Source, the All-Pervading-Light nor Christ Consciousness nor Born Again experiences etc. but that is a very long story.
But the parallels found in all so-called spiritual traditions are an interest of mine.

This "Christ Consciousness" that people are talking about these days is a totally New Age concept that has nothing to do with the real Jesus Christ.

[Loki]

I am Orthodox. We Orthodox are destined to sit on a cloud and dangle our legs for eternity, watching as someone has 72 mistresses on the next cloud.

That's actually hilarious. Jesus really loves you my friend :)

[Ugo]

That's actually hilarious. Jesus really loves you my friend :)
If Jesus loved me, he would help the forum to stop hanging and giving an error. By the way, Jesus is a Greek name. God's name was Yeshua. Novgorod drowned in blood during the epiphany. Is that how he loves us?

[Loki]

If Jesus loved me, he would help the forum to stop hanging and giving an error. By the way, Jesus is a Greek name. God's name was Yeshua. Novgorod drowned in blood during the epiphany. Is that how he loves us?

Yes, Jesus is the Greek version of Yeshua. So what? He still answers by that name, the demons still flee at the mention of the name of Jesus.

Jesus loves you so much that he left his glory in heaven to come to earth, live a humble life as a man and die a horrible death on the cross, so you could be forgiven for all your sins. He did it for YOU!

The troubles we face on earth during our short stay here do not compare to the glory we will receive in heaven, if we stay with Jesus our Lord. Eternity is a very long time, this time on earth, where our commitment is tested, is very short in comparison.

[White Swan]

Here is the same guy, but when he talks about “spiritual beings” on the “spiritual realm” from 2:36 onwards, that just sounds like astral entities or astral parasites on the astral realms and contacting those, I trust, is just madness or leads to madness …..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgCGFemNNQ&ab_channel=YustosAnthony

That is not the “spiritual realm” in my books … spiritual level is more like the “causal realm”, which is beyond all this nonsense. No wonder why folks’ minds are so preoccupied by thoughts of demons and evils etc. and in such a need for saving …

So that is why it has been said that the prophet may have been visited by a demon (…….?)

Also in the previous testimony, almost everyone in the family had had the same dream at the same time …. which shows they all had/have astral abilities …

Still, curious …

Firstly, you sound kinda like I did at one point. So I'll put in my two cents out of empathy and hope.

So, it is certainly within the scope of demons to also visit those close to the possessed/influenced with the same messages; are we not doorways to eachother? Also, the ideas such as "astral realms" are not the point of disagreement, but the ideas that come along with those terms when people who use them are; the run of the mill Christian doesn't have to disagree with such a thing as an "astral plane". There is evidence of programming however when one uses these terms this way.

I want to go out on a limb (non sarcastically) and ask if it is the case that you believe you have astral abilities? This in conjuction with your statement on "no wonder folks minds are so preoccupied by thoughts of demons and evils...", sounds like you harbor some pride. If I also remember correctly, you have previously come to the defense of influencers in a way that made it seem as if you spent a lot of time on the internet. I would guess that you have begun to develop a sense of pride surrounding New Age ideals to compensate for the lack of pride which influencers bring to one's self esteem. Also, we should be aware of evil, just as one in a war zone should be aware of war; let's not be condescending towards fellow victims of war just for noticing that some bad guys seem to be encircling the camp.

This is purely analytical, aside from the fact that I would relate to those experiences I pointed out as I was once enthralled with New Age and influencers, albeit 10 years before their current state.

I'd recommend strongly that you pray to a very specific God, because only one God can be the true, first God, or "prime source" if you are more comfortable with that term at the moment. Imagine the original source being one who has a personal identity of his own, who knows all, sees all, has decided all, and is perfectly pure and good, he also has a son which signifies the future, and through him designed the material world with the immaterial in mind; I could go on as he and his characteristics are infinite. Ponder those characteristics, justify them, pray to THAT God. Pray the prayer where you ask for truth and guidance. Then, wait, and see.

If you have a conundrum regarding any of those characteristics, pray about that also to what would be at that point the hypothetical God to you; he will still answer if you have ears to hear.

[Aila]

I want to go out on a limb (non sarcastically) and ask if it is the case that you believe you have astral abilities?

Most people who come from Shamanic background have them and I used to believe, that anybody who had them were “Spiritual”. But boy - was I wrong!
And by “Spiritual” I mean – in service of God or Spirit or Totality if you like.

All the ‘Spiritual Elders’ I’ve met are the lowest of the low – because they are ever so humble servants of everybody – and highest of the high because of their abilities to do so.
Their “Power” is “No-Power” – because they keep/hold nothing for themselves, for their Ego-identity. Yet many of the New Age seek astral for “power” for themselves - which does backfire, because it is a ‘two-edged-sward’, it cuts both ways.

5:12 – 8:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd1HxSJ7rug&ab_channel=TrueLifeinGod

“The 2-edged-sward” being a kind of “Mirrorcle” in the positive or in the negative.
I’m sure there are many stories about teachers who give wise teachings. 2 students – one hears it in one way the other – another way ….

Not all New Age is bad – some of it is really good, excellent.

[White Swan]

Most people who come from Shamanic background have them and I used to believe, that anybody who had them were “Spiritual”. But boy - was I wrong!
And by “Spiritual” I mean – in service of God or Spirit or Totality if you like.

All the ‘Spiritual Elders’ I’ve met are the lowest of the low – because they are ever so humble servants of everybody – and highest of the high because of their abilities to do so.
Their “Power” is “No-Power” – because they keep/hold nothing for themselves, for their Ego-identity. Yet many of the New Age seek astral for “power” for themselves - which does backfire, because it is a ‘two-edged-sward’, it cuts both ways.

5:12 – 8:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd1HxSJ7rug&ab_channel=TrueLifeinGod

“The 2-edged-sward” being a kind of “Mirrorcle” in the positive or in the negative.
I’m sure there are many stories about teachers who give wise teachings. 2 students – one hears it in one way the other – another way ….

Not all New Age is bad – some of it is really good, excellent.

You didn't answer the question.

From which you answered I can only conclude that you resort to vailed attempts of "what bounces from me sticks to you"- which is what we tell school children in my country. Are we not beyond the mirror theory here? If not, (or if so), then tell me what you see in me. ;)

[Loki]

Not all New Age is bad – some of it is really good, excellent.

It's all demonic and removed from the true light of God. The "good" is just to trick you and lure you in, but is ultimately deceptive and committed to steal your soul and separate you from God.

[Aila]

tell me what you see in me.)
Kinda like - 'where you are at' question.
It is better, if you ask "Holy Spirit".

[White Swan]

Kinda like - 'where you are at' question.
It is better, if you ask "Holy Spirit".

Do you have a religious exemption from answering direct questions? Cause that's twice now.

(Chuckles)

Okay I'll level with you by asking your own question lol; apparently: "holy spirit"?

Edit: wait... are you just high af right now? If so, we can tell. If not, you need to reform your theology so to speak.

[Aila]

Do you have a religious exemption from answering direct questions? Cause that's twice now.

(Chuckles)

Okay I'll level with you by asking your own question lol; apparently: "holy spirit"?

Edit: wait... are you just high af right now? If so, we can tell. If not, you need to reform your theology so to speak.

It is not an ego competition or duel.

IF you do trust in God, the Holy Spirit and Christ - why couldn’t you ask?
The answer might take a while for the synchronistic elements to come together in order to formulate, to show you the answer, but if you are open, sincere and genuinely want to know – I don’t see a problem.

[Dick]

Arameans called God Elah...Allah...Eloah...

Judaism and Islam is Saturn worship....


"El" (Father of Heaven/Saturn) and his son "Hadad" (Father of Earth/Jupiter)....

Now the question is which one did Jesus call his Father, who did He worship...It definitely wasn't El.

[Loki]

Arameans called God Elah...Allah...Eloah...

Judaism and Islam is Saturn worship....


"El" (Father of Heaven/Saturn) and his son "Hadad" (Father of Earth/Jupiter)....

Now the question is which one did Jesus call his Father, who did He worship...It definitely wasn't El.

All "gods" in history are demons, except the God of Israel, who is Jesus Christ. (by Israel I don't mean Judaism, they who follow the Talmud are also serving the devil).

There is only one true God, and he has revealed himself to Moses, Elijah, etc, and finally came himself in the form of a man, Jesus Christ. The Old Testament and New Testament are both the inspired Word of God.

[lei.talk]

https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png
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https://youtu.be/55x9ndmkUpA?si=JrwHEUWHXrV4klgf


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[lei.talk]

https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png


https://youtu.be/OP74lrfZ1Fc?si=PdSxSk6087UOWQC-

"Hurt Feelings" and Other Lies
thoughts regarding the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie

SARAH HAIDER | AUG 16, 2022 (https://newsletter.sarahhaider.com/p/hurt-feelings-and-other-feints)

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[Odelia]

All "gods" in history are demons, except the God of Israel, who is Jesus Christ. (by Israel I don't mean Judaism, they who follow the Talmud are also serving the devil).

There is only one true God, and he has revealed himself to Moses, Elijah, etc, and finally came himself in the form of a man, Jesus Christ. The Old Testament and New Testament are both the inspired Word of God.
This doesn't make sense. Some are very ordinary, ''nice'' gods like the Hindu gods for instance who preached love and others are indeed terrible. There are true demonic gods out there (like allah), and you're sort of undermining their devilry.

Just because someone doesn't worship your god, that doesn't mean their god is automatically demonic. Relax dude. This mantra reminds me of that liberal BS slogan "all religions are equally bad". Let's not sound like them. There are good and bad gods (regardless of how fake they are), same way there are good and bad religions. We're not the centre of the universe here. :picard1:

[Loki]

This doesn't make sense. Some are very ordinary, ''nice'' gods like the Hindu gods for instance who preached love and others are indeed terrible. There are true demonic gods out there (like allah), and you're sort of undermining their devilry.

Just because someone doesn't worship your god, that doesn't mean their god is automatically demonic. Relax dude. This mantra reminds me of that liberal BS slogan "all religions are equally bad". Let's not sound like them. There are good and bad gods (regardless of how fake they are), same way there are good and bad religions. We're not the centre of the universe here. :picard1:

Lol...the Hindu "gods" are all demons :) It doesn't matter how "nice" you consider them to be.

What I said was true. It's got nothing to do with me not being "relaxed". It's facts.

No religion can give you eternal life with God, other than being a disciple of Jesus Christ. He is the "Way", the Truth and the Life.

Have you ever read the Bible?

[Odelia]

Lol...the Hindu "gods" are all demons :) It doesn't matter how "nice" you consider them to be.

What I said was true. It's got nothing to do with me not being "relaxed". It's facts.

No religion can give you eternal life with God, other than being a disciple of Jesus Christ. He is the "Way", the Truth and the Life.

Have you ever read the Bible?
I'm not speaking according to what the bible says hun. Jesus giving you eternal life has nothing to do with other gods being demons (maybe them fake, and that's all). Lmao.

Hindu gods don't exist (and we should agree here) - so why are you giving them power? "demons" Lol. Btw, demons don't exist too, but we'll disagree here fore sure lol. Oh, some people don't see Hindu gods as demons as you do. They worship them even! loool.... Hell, atheists see the old testament god as a monster. So it goes either way. ;)

[Loki]

I'm not speaking according to what the bible says hun. Jesus giving you eternal life has nothing to do with other gods being demons (maybe them fake, and that's all). Lmao.

Hindu gods don't exist (and we should agree here) - so why are you giving them power? "demons" Lol. Btw, demons don't exist too, but we'll disagree here fore sure lol. Oh, some people don't see Hindu gods as demons as you do. They worship them even! loool.... Hell, atheists see the old testament god as a monster. So it goes either way. ;)

Jesus is real, and demons are also real. Whether you like it or not.

You haven't answered my question -- have you read the Bible yet?