Nurzat DNA results and graphs

[Nurzat]

my dad's results just came in, twelve years after I tested myself xD

having my dad's results and my own, I was able to phase my DNA and get my mom's phased kit (on GEDmatch), therefore also her simulated G25 coords.


on simulated coords:

having "real" coords for me and dad, I've generated simulated coords for both, to see how they compare, and I was happy to see how close they fall to the "real" ones - there's basically only a tiny pull to the lower-right on a PC1-PC2 standard graph.

so I trust using simulated coords for my mom's phased kit, anyway they should be in a decently relevant range from her "real" coords, if anything her real ones should fall just a tiny bit upper and to the left from what you see as simulated on the graph, which makes her even more of an outlier or at least brings her to the edge of the Romanian/Moldovan cluster

[Nurzat]

me, mom and dad in our genetic neighbourhood

1st graph doesn't include Moldovans (Rep. Moldova), to have a clearer picture without them, who are the link between East Slavs and East Balkan populations and marginally overlap us in the cluster as well

2nd graph also includes Moldovans (Rep. Moldova), Croats, Slovenes

pretty much at the crossroads of Eastern Europe, Central Europe and the Balkans, the point of contact of these big regions, genetically as well as geographically

https://i.imgur.com/n3KVJP9.png

https://i.imgur.com/vnAzsRF.png

[Nurzat]

G25 distance to population averages:

Distance to: Nurzat
0.01882889 Moldovan
0.01937737 Bosnian
0.02141809 Serbian
0.02162955 Croatian
0.02484855 Montenegrin
0.02518911 Hungarian
0.02566994 Slovenian
0.02811488 Austrian
0.02873427 Romanian
0.03000028 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03452303 Macedonian
0.03653310 German_Erlangen
0.03682530 Bulgarian
0.03945077 Czech
0.03991928 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04079267 Slovakian
0.04166181 German_East
0.04346571 German
0.04449791 French_Alsace
0.04534191 Gagauz

Distance to: Nurzat_mom_phased_sim
0.01359850 Bosnian
0.01773711 Croatian
0.01926911 Serbian
0.02011037 Slovenian
0.02135791 Montenegrin
0.02158206 Moldovan
0.02486841 Hungarian
0.02597723 Austrian
0.02967918 Romanian
0.03037264 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03186210 German_Erlangen
0.03344830 Macedonian
0.03547249 Czech
0.03751433 German_East
0.03839457 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03853663 Bulgarian
0.03891754 German
0.04011642 Slovakian
0.04016890 French_Alsace
0.04186871 Polish_Silesian

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.02360073 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02457352 Croatian
0.02521591 Hungarian
0.02562308 Slovenian
0.02799031 Bosnian
0.02821403 Moldovan
0.03035645 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03337762 Czech
0.03396946 Austrian
0.03514595 Serbian
0.03722025 Slovakian
0.03797872 Montenegrin
0.03944705 German_Erlangen
0.03963470 German_East
0.04029146 Polish_Silesian
0.04126403 Polish
0.04277431 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04301381 Romanian
0.04324975 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.04352323 Cossack_Ukrainian

[Nurzat]

G25 distance to individual samples:


Distance to: Nurzat
0.01822579 Moldovan:44618758492C02
0.02280307 Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.02320779 Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02367263 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600008
0.02407546 Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02461681 Moldovan:44618758061C02
0.02472658 Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.02478952 Serbian:724
0.02492588 Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02513294 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600004
0.02536310 Moldovan:44618757481C01
0.02551053 Moldovan:44618758062C02
0.02554151 Moldovan:44618757461C01
0.02584492 Moldovan:44618757472C01
0.02587261 Moldovan:44618757252C02
0.02635744 Moldovan:44618757522C02
0.02663113 Moldovan:44618757471C01
0.02686350 Hungarian:NA15201
0.02693257 Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.02725142 Moldovan:44618757522C01
0.02731473 Serbian:729
0.02755164 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600010
0.02768568 Moldovan:44618757462C02
0.02801604 German_Erlangen:GSM1658630
0.02839516 Serbian:710
0.02865407 Hungarian:NA15207
0.02870440 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02894291 Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02896187 Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.02902283 Moldovan:44618757252C01
0.02908122 Moldovan:44618757482C02
0.02912349 Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.02917942 Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.02918053 German_Hamburg:GSM1031519
0.02923959 Serbian:713
0.02927732 Croatian:Croatia_Cro26
0.02932750 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600035
0.02982336 Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02997535 Serbian:725
0.03004391 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V02612
0.03007512 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
0.03022613 Serbian:718
0.03051299 Moldovan:44618757801C02
0.03059229 Romanian:A374
0.03063453 Serbian:722
0.03073526 Moldovan:44618757471C02
0.03093822 Croatian:Croatia_Cro141
0.03100268 Serbian:726
0.03100427 Hungarian:HungarianE5
0.03139538 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600096

Distance to: Nurzat_mom_phased_sim
0.01646398 Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.01823679 Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.01966613 Montenegrin:Montenegro4
0.02039616 Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.02257375 Croatian:Croatia_Cro305
0.02288398 Bosnian:Bosnian_13
0.02350563 Moldovan:44618757472C01
0.02370212 Moldovan:44618758492C02
0.02388075 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600010
0.02409455 Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02477259 Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.02506973 Romanian:A306
0.02552030 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.02582104 Moldovan:44618757482C02
0.02606181 Hungarian:NA15201
0.02655296 Serbian:718
0.02659848 Serbian:729
0.02670878 Serbian:724
0.02675125 German_Erlangen:GSM1658630
0.02684167 Moldovan:44618757252C02
0.02709622 Moldovan:44618757801C02
0.02709744 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600004
0.02726087 Moldovan:44618758061C02
0.02777190 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
0.02778097 Serbian:713
0.02795090 Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1
0.02805807 Moldovan:44618757462C02
0.02813923 Croatian:Croatia_Cro43
0.02815668 Bosnian:Bosnian_14
0.02817748 Serbian:710
0.02865078 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600002
0.02867961 Moldovan:44618758062C02
0.02890077 Montenegrin:Montenegro5
0.02898102 Montenegrin:Montenegro6
0.02927785 Hungarian:HungarianD1
0.02935547 Bosnian:Bosnian_11
0.02967825 Serbian:715
0.02974935 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600011
0.02976280 German_Hamburg:GSM1031519
0.02979007 Croatian:Croatia_Cro53
0.02980987 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V02612
0.02983856 Montenegrin:Montenegro7
0.02987619 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600007
0.02989821 Austrian:Austria13
0.03002929 Austrian:Austria16
0.03016561 Serbian:726
0.03029967 Moldovan:44618757471C01
0.03047473 Serbian:728
0.03054480 French_Alsace:A_31
0.03054629 Moldovan:44618757461C01

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.02404466 Moldovan:44618758492C02
0.02436924 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600004
0.02633981 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600010
0.02702180 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600089
0.02724419 Moldovan:44618757252C01
0.02736770 Moldovan:44618757522C01
0.02804268 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600014
0.02831132 Moldovan:44618758492C01
0.02871577 Moldovan:44618757462C02
0.02876122 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600020
0.02884254 Moldovan:44618757802C02
0.02891912 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600007
0.02895122 Hungarian:NA15204
0.02896605 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600096
0.02909598 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600035
0.02912753 Moldovan:44618757482C02
0.02919396 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600008
0.02948256 Slovenian:Slovenian137
0.02955119 Moldovan:44618757482C01
0.02972614 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600027
0.03002078 Moldovan:44618757252C02
0.03003867 Croatian:Croatia_Cro133
0.03004063 Hungarian:NA15203
0.03012397 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600002
0.03019544 Moldovan:44618757801C02
0.03046446 Slovenian:Slovenian172
0.03048729 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600036
0.03065679 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600001
0.03081652 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600032
0.03092559 Croatian:Croatia_Cro26
0.03102114 Moldovan:44618757801C01
0.03126851 Moldovan:44618757481C01
0.03159204 Ukrainian_Rivne:EG600043
0.03166153 Slovakian:Slovakia77
0.03168142 Moldovan:44618757472C01
0.03171990 Croatian:Croatia_Cro142
0.03176338 Moldovan:44618758062C02
0.03188855 Bosnian:Bosnian_10
0.03190275 Moldovan:44618757582C02
0.03199487 Croatian:Croatia_Cro43
0.03218933 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V02612
0.03228102 Hungarian:NA15205
0.03229785 Moldovan:44618758491C01
0.03254501 Bosnian:Bosnian_12
0.03268356 German_Hamburg:GSM1031519
0.03269327 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600009
0.03271612 German_Erlangen:GSM1658615
0.03280900 Moldovan:44618757582C01
0.03282643 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia:EG600005
0.03284853 Ukrainian_Lviv:EG600064

[Nurzat]

G25 original Davidski calc:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 4.3316% / 0.04331558
47.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
43.8 TUR_Barcin_N
8.4 WHG
0.8 Han

Target: Nurzat_mom_phased_sim
Distance: 4.6751% / 0.04675054
46.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.2 TUR_Barcin_N
8.8 WHG

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 5.4499% / 0.05449867
47.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 WHG
1.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.6 Han

[Nurzat]

Nurzat_dad - similarity map for K36 (https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm)

82 Ukraine, Carpathians
82 Rep. Moldova
81 Southern Poland
81 Slovakia
80 Central Ukraine
80 Southwest Poland
80 Slovenia
78 Southwest Russia
78 Czech Rep.
78 Croatia

https://i.imgur.com/e5mxl4T.png

[Luke35]

Hey Nurz,

How was her Eurogenes component numbers -- noisy -- or normal looking?

[Nurzat]

Hey Nurz,

How was her Eurogenes component numbers -- noisy -- or normal looking?


I suppose you refer to the K13 run, right? that is the standard, so to speak. it looks really good:

Nurzat_mom_phased
Baltic 29.67
North_Atlantic 25.78
West_Med 18.22
West_Asian 11.99
East_Med 11.78
South_Asian 1.35
Siberian 1.22

distance
Moldavian 5.58
Serbian 5.77
Romanian 7.61
Croatian 8.08
Hungarian 8.98
Bulgarian 9.69
Austrian 11.78
East_German 12.83
Ukrainian_Lviv 14.26
South_Polish 14.98
Ukrainian 15.5
West_German 17.54
Greek_Thessaly 18.1
Polish 18.57
South_Dutch 18.91
Southwest_Russian 19.16
Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.21
French 19.41
North_Italian 19.79
Russian_Smolensk 20.79


compare to her county, averaged from 21 participants (on here - https://geneticaromd.github.io/adn/database.html):

Vaslui_county_average
Baltic 28.1
North_Atlantic 25.59
West_Med 15.88
East_Med 15.45
West_Asian 9.41
Red_Sea 1.98
Siberian 1.54
South_Asian 0.57
East_Asian 0.53
Amerindian 0.42
Oceanian 0.22
Sub-Saharan 0.18
Northeast_African 0.13

[Nurzat]

Nurzat_mom_phased - similarity map for K36 (https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm)

78% Slovenia
77% Southwest Romania
77% Bosnia
76% Serbia
76% Croatia
75% Hungary
74% Northeast Romania
74% Ukraine, Carpathians
74% Czech Rep.
74% Montenegro
73% Slovakia

https://i.imgur.com/4Ym5G0c.png

[TheForeigner]

I guess your thread also makes a good case for Moldovans, especially 'Republic ones' being somewhat genetically distinct from other Romanians and I know you think they are a nationality of their own, but I still think they are Romanians and not Slavic either.

[sage]

me, mom and dad in our genetic neighbourhood

1st graph doesn't include Moldovans (Rep. Moldova), to have a clearer picture without them, who are the link between East Slavs and East Balkan populations and marginally overlap us in the cluster as well

2nd graph also includes Moldovans (Rep. Moldova), Croats, Slovenes

pretty much at the crossroads of Eastern Europe, Central Europe and the Balkans, the point of contact of these big regions, genetically as well as geographically

https://i.imgur.com/n3KVJP9.png

https://i.imgur.com/vnAzsRF.png
Where is the Bosnians ?

[Nurzat]

I guess your thread also makes a good case for Moldovans, especially 'Republic ones' being somewhat genetically distinct from other Romanians and I know you think they are a nationality of their own, but I still think they are Romanians and not Slavic either.

no, my stance on Rep. of Moldova Moldovans is: they are genetically similar to Moldovans west of Prut, which is seen in their results as well, and the similarity goes by latitude, in which there is a gradient from more Romanian-like in the south to more Ukrainian-like in the north, both sides of the Prut. what I consider them different on is the culture (post-Soviet in all aspects), and that they have the prerequisites to go forward on their own as a separate nation, should they wish that. in case they wish to unite with Romania, I have nothing against it, it's their region, they should decide. I myself personally don't favour the union because it would make Moldova disappear as a name, as a political entity.

[sage]

Technically the north Moldovans would be Bosnians like genetically on both sides

[Nurzat]

Where is the Bosnians ?

it's so many Balkan populations and there is so much overlap that if we include them all it's a bit of a mess, look, I've added Bosnian, Montenegrin, Macedonian, on top of Bulgarian, Gagauz, Romanian, Moldovan, Slovenian, Croat, Serb xD

https://i.imgur.com/Bp9kCNx.png

[Nurzat]

...

look what a brilliant idea I had: made 3 clusters: Macedo-Bulgarian, ex-Yugo (minus Macedonia), Romanian-Moldovan :cool:

https://i.imgur.com/qyb4Vej.png

[sage]

it's so many Balkan populations and there is so much overlap that if we include them all it's a bit of a mess, look, I've added Bosnian, Montenegrin, Macedonian, on top of Bulgarian, Gagauz, Romanian, Moldovan, Slovenian, Croat, Serb xD

https://i.imgur.com/Bp9kCNx.png

It's a mess just like the real balkans . Also thanks

[rothaer]

(...)

1.
Do you and your dad respectively have 4 ethnic Romanian grandparents?

2.
If so, would you mind sharing the G25 coords (real, scaled)? The current made publicly available respective coords of 4/4 ethnic Romanians are these:


Romanian:alexmegas(Romanian),0.132035,0.139128,0.0 34695,0.004522,0.02739,0.00251,0.00047,0.000462,0. 003272,0.016037,0.001137,0.009741,0.005352,0.01348 7,-0.007057,-0.002387,0.004172,-0.002534,-0.001885,0.004127,-0.00262,-0.002597,0.007025,0.002048,-0.00455

Romanian:Andre(Romanian),0.122929,0.137096,0.03959 8,0.005168,0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916

Romanian:chrisbab(Romanian),0.122929,0.133034,0.03 3187,0.003553,0.02185,-0.003068,-0.00188,-0.001385,-0.004704,0.00164,-0.000487,-0.006594,0.008622,0.013625,-0.011265,0.002784,0.01004,0.002154,0.002137,0.0032 52,-0.001872,0.002844,0.000986,0.003494,0.002754

Romanian:chrisbab_dad(Romanian),0.119514,0.127957, 0.030547,0.004199,0.02739,0.001952,-0.00235,0.001154,-0.002045,-0.002005,-0.004547,-0.004796,0.001487,0.016239,-0.014386,-0.01485,-0.002217,0.001774,0.01081,-0.009004,-0.009608,-0.000742,0.010969,0.002892,0.001437

Romanian:chrisbab_mother(Romanian),0.121791,0.1269 41,0.039221,0.010336,0.018773,-0.001952,0.00705,0.009461,-0.002863,-0.000911,0.001624,-0.003147,0.016501,0.009771,-0.014658,0.006232,0.018254,0.002787,0.000126,0.013 506,-0.00861,0.002349,0.002958,0.011206,0.004311

Romanian:WeirdFellow(Romanian),0.114961,0.131003,0 .04186,0.01615,0.031698,0.005857,0.00846,0.003692,-0.000818,0.006925,-0.005684,0.006145,-0.003865,0.014726,-0.013708,0.005436,0.003781,0.00038,0.004274,0.0012 51,0.001996,0.001855,0,0.005904,-0.006347

Romanian:ZeDude(South_Romanian),0.122929,0.142174, 0.026021,0.001615,0.018773,0.005578,0.00658,0.0041 54,-0.000614,0.008201,0.000812,0.000749,-0.004311,0.007432,-0.016694,0.001326,0.01708,0.003674,0.004274,-0.001126,-0.01123,0.000866,0.003451,-0.002892,-0.000599


3.
As for deviations of real coords and coords simulated on the basis of K36 I once made this display.

https://i.imgur.com/3pcjQ1N.jpg

4.
Did you also compare the simulated coords of your father based on K36 for your paternal phased kit, i. e. the respective for your mother (implying to have 3 sets of coords for your father)?

I make this a topic as there is said that the admixture calculators at GEDmatch are not constructed for phased kits and do not work properly with them. The „exotic“ values are said to become overrepresented then. I know that you have no other option for your mother but comparing simluated ccords for your paternal phased kit could help to assess the result from you maternal phased kit.

Just keep in mind that you have three (!) critical deviations from what would be your mother’s real G25 coords:

- Your maternal phased kit does just contain half of your mother’s DNA and must not be representative for her.
- K36 doesn’t work properly with phased kits.
- The G25 coords are simulated.

[Aspirin]

You mom have very low East Med in K13 for her native region.

[Luke35]

I suppose you refer to the K13 run, right? that is the standard, so to speak. it looks really good:

Nurzat_mom_phased
Baltic 29.67
North_Atlantic 25.78
West_Med 18.22
West_Asian 11.99
East_Med 11.78
South_Asian 1.35
Siberian 1.22

distance
Moldavian 5.58
Serbian 5.77
Romanian 7.61
Croatian 8.08
Hungarian 8.98
Bulgarian 9.69
Austrian 11.78
East_German 12.83
Ukrainian_Lviv 14.26
South_Polish 14.98
Ukrainian 15.5
West_German 17.54
Greek_Thessaly 18.1
Polish 18.57
South_Dutch 18.91
Southwest_Russian 19.16
Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.21
French 19.41
North_Italian 19.79
Russian_Smolensk 20.79


compare to her county, averaged from 21 participants (on here - https://geneticaromd.github.io/adn/database.html):

Vaslui_county_average
Baltic 28.1
North_Atlantic 25.59
West_Med 15.88
East_Med 15.45
West_Asian 9.41
Red_Sea 1.98
Siberian 1.54
South_Asian 0.57
East_Asian 0.53
Amerindian 0.42
Oceanian 0.22
Sub-Saharan 0.18
Northeast_African 0.13

Looks good.

[Nurzat]

1. Do you and your dad respectively have 4 ethnic Romanian grandparents?

while mom is Romanian from central Moldova region in northeast Romania, dad is Ukrainian from the northern Carpathians (in Romania, by the Ukrainian border there's an extensive compact area of Ukrainian-speaking villages, Hutsuls and Rusyns). he indeed clusters with Carpathian Ukrainians in Ukraine (Ukrainian_Zakarpattia group at G25) as seen in one of the graphs.

as for mom's coords, it's be best I have for now, I understand it's not at 100% what it should be, but I suppose it's not removed from the "real" spot so much as to show a totally different mix. plus, I mark it accordingly. my dad's phased kit is a bit off, on the other hand, much more Baltic, for example, on K13: 40% the phased kit versus 35% his full kit score, so that shows that such variations may occur. I plan on testing my mom as well. dad paid his test himself, he was very curious of the result xD mom is interested as well. dad was hoping to get some Mongol/Tatar, mom is hoping to get some Italian, after a local legend in the village that the village church was painted by Italian painters in the 18th century and some in the village say they descend from those painters, which is very unlikely, but that's the sort of story people become passionate with, haha xD on my dad's side I was expecting some German, which I don't see. his village was shared with Germans until WW1, some even stayed to this day, this being the only other ethnicity they shared the region with, other than some Poles here and there and the Jews that were very few and present in the larger villages, where they had business.

[Nurzat]

...

thanks, this is how we plot, I'm curious in any Romanian member's coords disregard of the ethnic mix, it's still interesting to see, hope I'll find more G25 coords than the ones in the graph below.

also notice the huge range of the Moldovans in the Rep. of Moldova, from overlapping Bulgarians in the south, to even Ukrainians and a bit of Hungarians in the north, and Romanians and Serbs on the way as well.

in this graph I have Romanians and their neighbouring populations/bordering countries, to see how Romanian members of the forum plot in this setup

https://i.imgur.com/LYWNX5f.png

[sage]

Can you plot me I don't have g25 but k13

[sage]

24 .50 31.94 15.12 8.46 14.02 1.54 0.95 0.47 1.54 0.53 0.49 0.29 0.09
Here

[Nurzat]

Can you plot me I don't have g25 but k13

if you can get your Eurogenes K36 from GEDmatch or yourdnaportal (both are free) you can then go to https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx and easily convert it to simulated G25 and then I can easily plot you, sure, I'm making all these graphs on here: https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

[rothaer]

thanks, this is how we plot, I'm curious in any Romanian member's coords disregard of the ethnic mix, it's still interesting to see (...)]

Absolutely. There are a number of interesting approaches. I found out that being more picky in respect to the ancestry made the areas smaller and more defined and I thought that data collection could be a good default setting as a background where then all people can plot themselves into.

[sage]

if you can get your Eurogenes K36 from GEDmatch or yourdnaportal (both are free) you can then go to https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx and easily convert it to simulated G25 and then I can easily plot you, sure, I'm making all these graphs on here: https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

Nevermind

[Cybele]

thanks, this is how we plot, I'm curious in any Romanian member's coords disregard of the ethnic mix, it's still interesting to see, hope I'll find more G25 coords than the ones in the graph below.
I can give you my simulated G25 coords (simulated from K13) but I believe they are off. I don't have real ones.

[Cybele]

Can you plot me I don't have g25 but k13
You can convert them from K13 coords too. On this site: https://allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html
Introduce your Eurogenes K13 coords, then select K13 at "Linear regression matrix" and get the result under "Simulated G25 coordinates".

[Coastal Elite]

Looks like the family plots in the Hutsul zone

[sage]

You can convert them from K13 coords too. On this site: https://allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html
Introduce your Eurogenes K13 coords, then select K13 at "Linear regression matrix" and get the result under "Simulated G25 coordinates".

It's not working

[Nurzat]

...

on the graph you can see Nurzat_dad versus Nurzat_dad_sim versus Nurzat_dad_phased_sim. last one is indeed quite off, although broadly in the same area (phased_simulated moves him in a northwestern direction but still able to have him in the Western Ukrainian/Slovak cluster).

simulated coords still seem acceptable to me on the plot, while phased simulated are indeed involving two deviations that can add up to an unrealistic result, at least if we like to catch finer details

https://i.imgur.com/9TSsNQs.png

[Nurzat]

these are our coords (non-simulated), in case someone wants to add us to those lists of forum members & relatives coords:


Nurzat_dad(Carpathian_Ukrainian),0.126344,0.121864 ,0.053174,0.029393,0.028313,0.019522,0.011281,0.00 6,0.002454,-0.008383,-0.009256,-0.006444,0.00892,0.016102,-0.014251,0.00305,-0.003129,0.006081,0.001885,-0.001376,-0.007237,-0.00272,0.009244,0.001205,0.000958
Nurzat(Romanian/Ukrainian),0.125205,0.128972,0.046009,0.026809,0.0 27697,0.011713,0.007755,0.007615,-0.003477,-0.000182,-0.008931,-0.004046,0.004162,0.010184,-0.012622,0.002917,0.004694,0.001394,0.001760,-0.005378,-0.010107,-0.002968,0.006286,-0.001446,-0.007424

[rothaer]

on the graph you can see Nurzat_dad versus Nurzat_dad_sim versus Nurzat_dad_phased_sim. last one is indeed quite off, although broadly in the same area (phased_simulated moves him in a northwestern direction but still able to have him in the Western Ukrainian/Slovak cluster).

simulated coords still seem acceptable to me on the plot, while phased simulated are indeed involving two deviations that can add up to an unrealistic result, at least if we like to catch finer details

https://i.imgur.com/9TSsNQs.png

Yeah, I just wanted to make aware of this possible additional deviation cause.

[Cybele]

It's not working

I erased a 0 from your K13 coords and afterwards they could be converted. Here you go:

K13
Ioas,24.50,31.94,15.12,8.46,14.02,1.54,0.95,0.47,1 .54,0.53,0.49,0.29,0.9

G25 Simulated
Ioas,0.127775,0.134569,0.048844,0.027268,0.030868, 0.009451,0.004848,0.009380,0.000389,-0.007073,0.010460,-0.003207,0.006843,0.003016,-0.004895,-0.001914,0.001032,-0.002335,-0.002378,0.000250,-0.003282,-0.000222,0.002157,-0.001536,-0.000934

[sage]

I erased a 0 from your K13 coords and afterwards they could be converted. Here you go:

K13
Ioas,24.50,31.94,15.12,8.46,14.02,1.54,0.95,0.47,1 .54,0.53,0.49,0.29,0.9

G25 Simulated
Ioas,0.127775,0.134569,0.048844,0.027268,0.030868, 0.009451,0.004848,0.009380,0.000389,-0.007073,0.010460,-0.003207,0.006843,0.003016,-0.004895,-0.001914,0.001032,-0.002335,-0.002378,0.000250,-0.003282,-0.000222,0.002157,-0.001536,-0.000934

Holy shit ! Thank you!

[sage]

Yo nurzat I got the g25 coordinates

[Nurzat]

Yo nurzat I got the g25 coordinates

here you go - as expected for Romanians in Maramures-Bucovina-northern Moldova, very much towards Ruthenian territory xD
it's simulated and the actual dot could be a just a bit into another direction, but it will fall in the same area, broadly

https://i.imgur.com/12ENnCf.png

[sage]

here you go - as expected for Romanians in Maramures-Bucovina-northern Moldova, very much towards Ruthenian territory xD
it's simulated and the actual dot could be a just a bit into another direction, but it will fall in the same area, broadly

https://i.imgur.com/12ENnCf.png

Well technically Croat territory. Where is my Croatian passport?

[Voskos]

Well technically Croat territory. Where is my Croatian passport?

In the Croat red light district, you will find it there.

[sage]

In the Croat red light district, you will find it there.

Thanks wise one

[Nurzat]

Well technically Croat territory. Where is my Croatian passport?

it's a corner of Moldovans overlapped by Croats and Slovenes as well, but indeed you're probably closer to Croatian average than to Romanian average, due to Romania's and Moldova's much larger range on the plot

[Nurzat]

could this explain our YDNA hg J-L210? dunno the precise subclade but it could be under this: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15234/


Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.9179% / 0.01917950
49.2 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
35.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
12.4 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
2.6 Romanian_revised


Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.9112% / 0.01911180
49.4 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
37.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.0 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.6 Romanian_revised


then, I don't get it, gets hidden under Romanian probably

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.4423% / 0.01442285
49.6 Romanian_revised
40.2 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
10.2 Ukrainian_Lviv


when I remove from the Ukrainian_Zakarpattia samples those scoring too high Romanian or Ashkenazi (>15%), we get:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.7164% / 0.01716416
76.0 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
11.4 Ashkenazi_Poland
11.2 Ukrainian_Lviv
1.4 Romanian

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.2401% / 0.01240108
48.0 Romanian_revised
41.6 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
10.4 Ukrainian_Lviv

[Nurzat]

posting here as the thread for the Feiichy phenotype calculator is closed:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 1.0764% / 0.01076371 | R4P
55.2 Neo-Danubian
30.8 Dinarid
8.8 Tronder
5.2 North_Sinid

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.0319% / 0.01031926 | R4P
56.8 Pontid
23.2 Neo-Danubian
17.8 Noric
2.2 Tungid

[Nurzat]

Living DNA G25 unscaled calculator:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/75/g25-living-dna-calculator.htm

+ thread
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359558-Living-DNA-G25-UNSCALED-calculator

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 0.9751% / 0.00975083
37.6 Baltics
23.6 Northeast_Europe
16.0 North_Italy
14.2 Aegean
4.4 North_China
2.8 Arabia
1.4 Balochistan


Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.8883% / 0.00888260
38.6 Baltics
32.2 Aegean
12.2 East_Balkans
4.4 Japan_Korea
4.2 Sardinia
3.8 Northwest_Germanic
2.8 Kalash
1.8 North_Central_Asia

[Nurzat]

IllustrativeDNA -> DIY tools

ran with most of NE/SE/C Europe populations. interestingly out of all Med-rich pops dad "prefers" Ashkenazi, instead of local pops like Romanian, Balkan Slav etc. we had Jews in the area mid-19th to early 20th century, I wonder if he could be like 1/8 Jewish without knowing or it's just local Med components getting calculated/assigned randomly.

Nurzat dad
Genetic Fit: 1.470 (Good)
Russian (Belgorod) 34.0%
Ukrainian (Dnipro) 7.8%
Ukrainian (Kirovohrad) 7.0%
Slovakian 22.0%
Czech 8.8%
Ashkenazi Jew (East) 18.6%
Altai (Teleut) 1.8%

Nurzat dad
Genetic Fit: 1.568 (Good)
Polish 33.4%
Slovakian 30.0%
Ashkenazi Jew (East) 18.8%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 15.8%
Mongol (Mongolia) 2.0%

Nurzat dad
Genetic Fit: 1.825 (Good)
Ukrainian (Zakarpattia) 66.0%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 19.8%
Ashkenazi Jew (East) 14.2%

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Nurzat grandma
Genetic Fit: 2.923 (Good)
Romanian 59.8%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 16.6%
Slovakian 14.6%
Greek (Trabzon) 9.0%

Nurzat grandma
Genetic Fit: 2.927 (Good)
Romanian 69.2%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 23.8%
Greek (Trabzon) 7.0%

Nurzat grandma
Genetic Fit: 2.967 (Good)
Romanian 87.0%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 13.0%


Slovak makes sense for Moldovans for its mix of Slavic and slight Germanic and Neolithic, which Moldova has as well, in different proportions, and some Slovak-like population from the northern Carpathians (Ruthenians) were inhabiting Moldova in the middle ages and were part of Moldova's genetic pool. but this ofcourse is just a proxy, not a real match, because of lack of enough sources from the area - there is no Ukraine Ternopil, Ukraine Rusyns, Romanian Moldova region, Romanian Maramures region population sources (only one generic Romania source) on IllustrativeDNA, so that is why, otherwise it would make them a mix of those sources instead.

dad gets surprisingly good fits compared to grandma. even with all pops I wasn't able to improve her fit below 2.70