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Abti
09-28-2023, 01:51 AM
A special to the "what is your criteria for who is white?". What haplogroups, in your opinion, are allowed in your dreamland? This can narrow down to specific subclades native to specifically Europe as well.
cmt160
12-10-2023, 06:56 PM
Any memegroup can be white even the really weird ones can be just ancient paleo-european stuff. What matters the most is autosomal dna.
Kess
12-10-2023, 07:16 PM
There is no such thing as White haplogroups but there are Eurasian haplogroups.

West Eurasian: H, T, U, V, X, K, I, J, W (all listed West Eurasian haplogroups are derived from macro-haplogroup N) East Eurasian: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, Y, Z (note: C, D, E, G, and Z belong to macro-haplogroup M)
PaulieVanZant
12-10-2023, 07:19 PM
R1b, R1a (of course strictly those common in Europe), l1, l2 and N1c.
Kess
12-10-2023, 07:22 PM
R1b, R1a (of course strictly those common in Europe), l1, l2 and N1c.

N?
PaulieVanZant
12-10-2023, 07:24 PM
N?

Finnland and Northern Russia.
majevica
12-10-2023, 07:26 PM
E-V13 only
Kess
12-10-2023, 07:29 PM
Finnland and Northern Russia.

Do you consider Uralic people European?
Ugo
12-10-2023, 07:29 PM
Finnland and Northern Russia.

Baltic States up to 50-60% N1C and Sweden.
HectorOfTroy
12-10-2023, 07:40 PM
N?

if N is European so is E and J then.
Kess
12-10-2023, 07:47 PM
if N is European so is E and J then.

You are right about that. They are even more European than N.
HectorOfTroy
12-10-2023, 07:50 PM
You are right about that. They are even more European than N.

True. Atleast J is caucasoid in origin, N is not even. Of course some people on this forum wont admit that because of their envy against "BROWNS"
gixajo
12-10-2023, 07:57 PM
True. Atleast J is caucasoid in origin, N is not even. Of course some people on this forum wont admit that because of their resentment against "BROWNS"

Nah, is not resentment is just envy.
PaulieVanZant
12-10-2023, 07:57 PM
Do you consider Uralic people European?

Yep :p :

https://i.ibb.co/N2yLJJP/Untitled1.png (https://ibb.co/d45QVVq)
Kess
12-10-2023, 08:03 PM
Yep :p :

https://i.ibb.co/N2yLJJP/Untitled1.png (https://ibb.co/d45QVVq)

:) Uralic cluster Turks should go to Germany to increase Europeannes rate of the country.

125124
Voskos
12-10-2023, 08:04 PM
I don't have haplogroup or any other dreamlands. In difficult times I have been helped by those I expected the least to help me. My own ethnic group have caused more trouble to my family than any foreigner for political and professional reasons.
Touijer
12-10-2023, 08:06 PM
I don't have haplogroup or any other dreamlands. In difficult times I have been helped by those I expected the least to help me. My own ethnic group have caused more trouble to my family than any foreigner for political and professional reasons.

Because the number 1 thing that connects people is religion, not genetics
Ugo
12-10-2023, 08:09 PM
True. Atleast J is caucasoid in origin, N is not even. Of course some people on this forum wont admit that because of their envy against "BROWNS"
It is better to be a Uralian than such a "Caucasoid".
HectorOfTroy
12-10-2023, 08:12 PM
It is better to be a Uralian than such a "Caucasoid".

In quotes? We are, the Caucasoid facial structure originated in Europe and Middle East, not Northern East Asia. As well as most of the Y DNA and mtDNA as well.
PaulieVanZant
12-10-2023, 08:17 PM
:) Uralic cluster Turks should go to Germany to increase Europeannes rate of the country.

125124

To be fair, this genetic result is from my Finnish ex - wife. :p

Obviously there is a treshold when people turn from European to Eurasian.
gixajo
12-10-2023, 08:19 PM
It is better to be a Uralian than such a "Caucasoid".

You are both things so feel privileged.
Ugo
12-10-2023, 08:23 PM
In quotes? We are, the Caucasoid facial structure originated in Europe and Middle East, not Northern East Asia. As well as most of the Y DNA and mtDNA as well.

So EHG R1a is from the Middle East? Or is it from Siberia?
HectorOfTroy
12-10-2023, 08:48 PM
So EHG R1a is from the Middle East? Or is it from Siberia?

Siberia is a horizontally massive country which has parts in Eurasia and East Asia. R1 is Northern Central Asia/Eurasia, not East Asia like N.
Ugo
12-10-2023, 08:53 PM
R1 is Northern Central Asia/Eurasia, not East Asia like N.
Southern Siberia is Lake Baikal. These are the first Europeoid
HectorOfTroy
12-10-2023, 09:00 PM
Southern Siberia is Lake Baikal. These are the first Europeoid

R1 is not Lake Baikal, it is thought to be Uralic or originating in Kazakhstan, although basal R (Malta Boy) is Lake Baikal.
Still, even as a Russian you are still much closer genetically (autosomal) to the average Levantine than the average East Asian (Same with almost all Europeans except maybe Sami and some other fringe groups).
Etelfrido
12-10-2023, 09:12 PM
At least some subclades of J2 and G are definitely White, while not all clades of R1a and R1b are so.
Gallop
12-10-2023, 09:14 PM
Mine is European because it is a mutation that occurs in Europe from other mutations that also occur in Europe, so it could only have happened in the leftovers of Asia, like the rest regardless of whether some are a majority to others.

And remember that no one from the north will decide what is and what is not.
Petalpusher
12-10-2023, 09:21 PM
My zodiac sign is Taurus and my last name sounds German. About as much chances to be white than with R1.
Loki
12-10-2023, 10:15 PM
Haplogroup can tell you nothing about your race.
Eurafricanid
12-11-2023, 03:32 AM
R1 is not Lake Baikal, it is thought to be Uralic or originating in Kazakhstan, although basal R (Malta Boy) is Lake Baikal.
Still, even as a Russian you are still much closer genetically (autosomal) to the average Levantine than the average East Asian (Same with almost all Europeans except maybe Sami and some other fringe groups).


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Yaroslavl


0.21858758
Lebanese_Druze


0.26922457
Tatar_Siberian


0.29934313
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.35421439
Kazakh


0.43021242
Nenets


0.45910734
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.46593932
Mongolian


0.47255464
Buryat


0.50723398
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.52657800
Mongol_IMAR


0.56168485
Mongola


0.58766528
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.59237311
Nganassan


0.59270860
Manchu_Liaoning


0.59753590
Manchu_Bijie


0.59833757
Manchu_Jinsha


0.59918465
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Voronez


0.20528286
Lebanese_Druze


0.28346137
Tatar_Siberian


0.31487802
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36710711
Kazakh


0.44560972
Nenets


0.47260763
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.47946602
Mongolian


0.48652432
Buryat


0.52004762
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.53934124
Mongol_IMAR


0.57373487
Mongola


0.59890432
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.60391991
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60702160
Nganassan


0.60826415
Manchu_Bijie


0.60905607
Manchu_Jinsha


0.60958874
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Tver


0.21290655
Lebanese_Druze


0.26911944
Tatar_Siberian


0.29975134
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.35348894
Kazakh


0.43082144
Nenets


0.45867548
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.46582347
Mongolian


0.47277604
Buryat


0.50627956
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.52564836
Mongol_IMAR


0.56020945
Mongola


0.58562412
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.59063910
Manchu_Liaoning


0.59288528
Nganassan


0.59510404
Manchu_Bijie


0.59598104
Manchu_Jinsha


0.59655614
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Smolensk


0.20968487
Lebanese_Druze


0.28871311
Tatar_Siberian


0.32044306
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.37151577
Kazakh


0.45154838
Nenets


0.47678402
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.48377848
Mongolian


0.49100964
Buryat


0.52390154
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.54314926
Mongol_IMAR


0.57723984
Mongola


0.60201244
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.60699996
Manchu_Liaoning


0.61123600
Manchu_Bijie


0.61200609
Manchu_Jinsha


0.61255653
Mongol_Bijie


0.61268738
Nganassan

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Ryazan


0.20438754
Lebanese_Druze


0.27050633
Tatar_Siberian


0.30191366
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.35468252
Kazakh


0.43331574
Nenets


0.46038869
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.46743001
Mongolian


0.47451162
Buryat


0.50805872
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.52750851
Mongol_IMAR


0.56219599
Mongola


0.58759827
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.59261194
Manchu_Liaoning


0.59543445
Nganassan


0.59709375
Manchu_Bijie


0.59790881
Manchu_Jinsha


0.59860676
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Pskov


0.22153833
Lebanese_Druze


0.28532786
Tatar_Siberian


0.31512647
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36955796
Kazakh


0.44571934
Nenets


0.47417577
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.48129252
Mongolian


0.48792796
Buryat


0.52175742
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.54106077
Mongol_IMAR


0.57559763
Mongola


0.60076589
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.60578014
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60746690
Nganassan


0.61004801
Manchu_Bijie


0.61091197
Manchu_Jinsha


0.61150775
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Pinezhsky


0.22769484
Tatar_Siberian


0.23784513
Lebanese_Druze


0.25316874
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.31660521
Kazakh


0.38335121
Nenets


0.41969087
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.42714714
Mongolian


0.43298424
Buryat


0.46867836
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.48804314
Mongol_IMAR


0.52389224
Mongola


0.54681385
Nganassan


0.55114445
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.55625156
Manchu_Liaoning


0.56160957
Manchu_Bijie


0.56235412
Manchu_Jinsha


0.56361465
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Pinega


0.22994359
Tatar_Siberian


0.23811527
Lebanese_Druze


0.25577787
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.31805189
Kazakh


0.38597610
Nenets


0.42096184
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.42837412
Mongolian


0.43436654
Buryat


0.46964838
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.48892632
Mongol_IMAR


0.52450514
Mongola


0.54913856
Nganassan


0.55139742
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.55652392
Manchu_Liaoning


0.56200615
Manchu_Bijie


0.56277412
Manchu_Jinsha


0.56390028
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Orel


0.20395513
Lebanese_Druze


0.27834499
Tatar_Siberian


0.31006547
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36179894
Kazakh


0.44118006
Nenets


0.46738801
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.47438780
Mongolian


0.48160761
Buryat


0.51486468
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.53421112
Mongol_IMAR


0.56859552
Mongola


0.59376176
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.59877849
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60272920
Nganassan


0.60324493
Manchu_Bijie


0.60403893
Manchu_Jinsha


0.60460427
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Leshukonsky


0.20612651
Tatar_Siberian


0.23059926
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.24100913
Lebanese_Druze


0.29659798
Kazakh


0.36146436
Nenets


0.39948590
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.40708005
Mongolian


0.41263406
Buryat


0.44954251
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.46906963
Mongol_IMAR


0.50573671
Mongola


0.52595684
Nganassan


0.53389526
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.53912182
Manchu_Liaoning


0.54495044
Manchu_Bijie


0.54567277
Manchu_Jinsha


0.54715206
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Kursk


0.20658935
Lebanese_Druze


0.27770924
Tatar_Siberian


0.30895426
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36172305
Kazakh


0.44038268
Nenets


0.46723987
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.47432124
Mongolian


0.48151783
Buryat


0.51472042
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.53405587
Mongol_IMAR


0.56843359
Mongola


0.59357715
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.59856124
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60248399
Nganassan


0.60299503
Manchu_Bijie


0.60379337
Manchu_Jinsha


0.60436113
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Krasnoborsky


0.22274875
Lebanese_Druze


0.23949943
Tatar_Siberian


0.26791944
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.32628697
Kazakh


0.39896024
Nenets


0.43058859
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.43786061
Mongolian


0.44424033
Buryat


0.47916994
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.49851509
Mongol_IMAR


0.53388500
Mongola


0.56047735
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.56179532
Nganassan


0.56558724
Manchu_Liaoning


0.57060931
Manchu_Bijie


0.57135528
Manchu_Jinsha


0.57233999
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Kostroma


0.21775921
Lebanese_Druze


0.24907822
Tatar_Siberian


0.27805497
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.33547901
Kazakh


0.40945110
Nenets


0.44026226
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.44744708
Mongolian


0.45421403
Buryat


0.48844142
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.50786911
Mongol_IMAR


0.54289760
Mongola


0.56904637
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.57260375
Nganassan


0.57411353
Manchu_Liaoning


0.57897874
Manchu_Bijie


0.57977071
Manchu_Jinsha


0.58061284
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Kaluga


0.21227410
Lebanese_Druze


0.28167278
Tatar_Siberian


0.31250371
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36571644
Kazakh


0.44334750
Nenets


0.47081418
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.47775579
Mongolian


0.48462276
Buryat


0.51834616
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.53764195
Mongol_IMAR


0.57217207
Mongola


0.59742234
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.60242300
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60486323
Nganassan


0.60681646
Manchu_Bijie


0.60761401
Manchu_Jinsha


0.60822655
Mongol_Bijie

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Russian_Belgorod


0.20114679
Lebanese_Druze


0.28399249
Tatar_Siberian


0.31600362
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye


0.36698097
Kazakh


0.44684649
Nenets


0.47272545
Mongol_Xinjiang


0.47947531
Mongolian


0.48675408
Buryat


0.51990712
Mongol_Inner_Mongolia


0.53922960
Mongol_IMAR


0.57346186
Mongola


0.59853853
Manchu_Jinzhou


0.60347870
Manchu_Liaoning


0.60790487
Manchu_Bijie


0.60810128
Nganassan


0.60869029
Manchu_Jinsha


0.60920392
Mongol_Bijie



</tbody>


That checks out. You need very high european admixture for the North (Eur)asian groups to get closer than the Levantines.

The Siberian Tatar is right in that border so that in some Asian-shifted Russians they are closer than Levantines.

Target: Tatar_Siberian
Distance: 3.7300% / 0.03729988
26.0 Nganasan
18.6 East_Asian
18.2 EHG
15.6 Yamnaya
13.2 Iran_C
8.4 ANF
Pepa
03-13-2024, 08:04 PM
E-V13
tipirneni
03-13-2024, 08:13 PM
H2 is white from Neolithic
H1 is white from Roma migrations
Petalpusher
03-13-2024, 08:17 PM
R1 is not Lake Baikal, it is thought to be Uralic or originating in Kazakhstan, although basal R (Malta Boy) is Lake Baikal.
Still, even as a Russian you are still much closer genetically (autosomal) to the average Levantine than the average East Asian (Same with almost all Europeans except maybe Sami and some other fringe groups).

I identify as North Korean till this week. Change my mind.
tk'es
03-13-2024, 09:10 PM
J2&G2 family confederation



https://i.ibb.co/D4ns8SG/A-large-blank-world-map-with-oceans-marked-in-blue.png
protos
03-13-2024, 10:22 PM
E-V13

Sorry but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EovnP2d1jHo
Pepa
03-14-2024, 02:13 PM
Sorry but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EovnP2d1jHo

no e1b originated in europe but migrated to africa
Kess
03-16-2024, 05:12 PM
R1b, R1a (of course strictly those common in Europe), l1, l2 and N1c.

I am an European sleeper asset in Turkey if that's the case.
Kess
03-16-2024, 05:16 PM
At least some subclades of J2 and G are definitely White, while not all clades of R1a and R1b are so.

R1b is of Eurasian origin regardless of carriers' ethnicity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGwApjdDy6M
Leto
03-16-2024, 05:25 PM
I am an European sleeper asset in Turkey if that's the case.
Do you feel a bit whiter now that you know your haplogroup? Though I don't know how passable you are in Europe racially. Some Turks are, many aren't.
Leto
03-16-2024, 05:31 PM
That checks out. You need very high european admixture for the North (Eur)asian groups to get closer than the Levantines.

The Siberian Tatar is right in that border so that in some Asian-shifted Russians they are closer than Levantines.

Target: Tatar_Siberian
Distance: 3.7300% / 0.03729988
26.0 Nganasan
18.6 East_Asian
18.2 EHG
15.6 Yamnaya
13.2 Iran_C
8.4 ANF
The Siberia Tatars are barely 50 percent East Eurasian/Mongoloid, it's no use picking them as an East Eurasian reference. An ethnic Russian will be closer to a Lebanese than to a Korean, that's for sure.
Kess
03-16-2024, 05:31 PM
Do you feel a bit whiter now that you know your haplogroup? Though I don't know how passable you are in Europe racially. Some Turks are, many aren't.

Whiter? I am not Hektor12. I don't care about whiteness, but this r-cts9219 clade seems interesting. I need some further tests, but the big Y-700 is too expensive. If I were a J2A, I couldn't care less because it would be very probable I am a member of Mehmet Oz's tribesmen.