Croat Science

[Mortimer]

I find it interesting and funny. You immediately notice that it is a Balkan science. I don't think even the Germans themselves would call themselves Indo-Aryans; some tribes in India are Indo-Aryans. Indo-Germanic or Indo-European is how you can describe most of it from Europe to India, but it is more of a language group than just genetics. Nevertheless, Slavs are also part of it. Separating Germans from Slavs and then calling the Germans Aryans is clearly Croatian science.


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[Croatian Legend]

Wtf are you on about Croat science what they are saying is true. Has nothing to do with Croat science. Ihave spoken to geneticist that looked into the supposd slavic markers which is all just political BS. If there is some weird science then you just look at your Yugoslav (Commie) Serbian Bullshit propaganda. That tries to lump all into Serbian.

That is why Whole Gneome Sequencing is so important! I for example have ZERO autosomal similarities with SERBIA, Bulgaria, Romania; Albania , Kosovo!

And you as Gypsie should keep yourself out of that talk if you have zero knoweldge about genetics. And i mean actually GENETICS not amateurish and bogus history and propaganda.

[Croatian Legend]

And the Eu7 markers thing is something that is actually used by Genetics for people like you to understand it more in a simple way. Not just Croat geneticist. As a mather of fact Canadian and Swedish geneticist and many more around the Globe confirm the same.

So again if you have no clue what they talk about then just keep it in. Instead of coming with stuff like Croat science.

[Croatian Legend]

And just for you to make the mysterious EU7 marker clear in what it means.
Quite simple they mean the Old European Haplogroup I or I1 nd I2 which both are closely connected as a whole!

Even your beloved Russian geneticist/scientiest confirm that those haplogroups or even the ominous I2 Dinaric version has nothing to do with "SLAVS". Again the term SLAVS is an oxymoron and is only meant linguistically.

[Voskos]

LOL @ Altajsko-Anatolski. Sounds as retarded as a Croat, yes.

[Mortimer]

LOL @ Altajsko-Anatolski. Sounds as retarded as a Croat, yes.

Maybe it is not Croat, I got a new info

Please google, both of those "scientists" are not Croats,and Vinca institut is in Serbia!

I apologise if it is not Croat. Sorry.

[Croatian Legend]

yea i just had to look "Altajsko-Anatolski" up. Just FACEPALM.
Them Serbs/Yugo idiots will never learn and just keep rambling on about some Fantasy History. Even their beloved Russian Historians are cringing hard when they hear stupid shit like that.

Could write more about some Historical and Gnetical facts here but there is no point in arguing with wanna be geneticist and historians that hold on to some amateur tools or fake History....... ridiculous!

[retfala]

gipsoid, Vinča is a Serbian institute and stop pretending you didn't know. Everyone here knows in what country the remnants of old Vinča culture can be found.
Also, stop spamming the forum with low IQ crap, tik-tok and other retardations.

[Mortimer]

gipsoid, Vinča is a Serbian institute and stop pretending you didn't know. Everyone here knows in what country the remnants of old Vinča culture can be found.
Also, stop spamming the forum with low IQ crap, tik-tok and other retardations.

I think the authors refer to vinca institute in their study, but they are croats, i think because they say "closer to us [croats]" why they would they say to us croats? It is a bit confusing but I remember now why i tagged it as croat again.

[retfala]

I think the authors refer to vinca institute in their study, but they are croats, i think because they say "closer to us [croats]" why they would they say to us croats? It is a bit confusing but I remember now why i tagged it as croat again.
no they aren't, and everyone can check their names. Stop pretending.

why they would they say to us croats
because they didn't. Where is your source? You are posting invented crap you find on the internet.

[Croatian Legend]

I think the authors refer to vinca institute in their study, but they are croats, i think because they say "closer to us [croats]" why they would they say to us croats? It is a bit confusing but I remember now why i tagged it as croat again.

Look all they are saying is that the Eu7 marker/gene is dominant in among Croats especially Dinaric Croats 70%. Which means old european which also means connected with those Indo Aryan Germanics. Which makes sense, again Haplogroup I as a whole is I1 and I2 those to markers are Germanic or old European. Again Croats are not "Slavic" as it is used to believe. Thanks to WGS

And they are saying that Serbs are closer to Bulgarians whwich makes total sense. Also Romanians Turks etc.... What is so hard to understand in that small Text.

What they are saying is nothing new to geneticist around the world. You on the other hand start of with "Croat science" as in derogatory.

[Mortimer]

no they aren't, and everyone can check their names. Stop pretending.

because they didn't. Where is your source? You are posting invented crap you find on the internet.

Read the text in the image. The image is the source, I saw it on a Bosnian Guy who ridicules Serbs on a Balkan Forum. He is a Bosnian Muslim but uses this study as his signature.

https://balkanforum.info/threads/was-ist-der-unterschied-zwischen-burek-und-pita.1414670/page-2#post-6626361

[Mortimer]

Look all they are saying is that the Eu7 marker/gene is dominant in among Croats especially Dinaric Croats 70%. Which means old european which also means connected with those Indo Aryan Germanics. Which makes sense, again Haplogroup I as a whole is I1 and I2 those to markers are Germanic or old European. Again Croats are not "Slavic" as it is used to believe. Thanks to WGS

And they are saying that Serbs are closer to Bulgarians whwich makes total sense. Also Romanians Turks etc.... What is so hard to understand in that small Text.

What they are saying is nothing new to geneticist around the world. You on the other hand start of with "Croat science" as in derogatory.

Some of that might be even true, but i find the terminology interesting, and what they say, despite of whether those markers exist in certain populations or not. And arent Slavs closer to ancient Aryans then the Germans?

[Croatian Legend]

They are using data from an actual Croat geneticist Dragan Primorac that is well known especially in America at Harvard.
Same goes with the Serbian wanna be genetic project (POREKLO) that is twisting data to fit their political agenda.

[retfala]

Read the text in the image. The image is the source, I saw it on a Bosnian Guy who ridicules Serbs on a Balkan Forum. He is a Bosnian Muslim but uses this study as his signature.

https://balkanforum.info/threads/was-ist-der-unterschied-zwischen-burek-und-pita.1414670/page-2#post-6626361
and the link for the academic study where this paper can be found? lol
Any low IQ troll can write something and publish it on Forum.
As I said, stop spamming with the crap and seeking for attention.

[Voskos]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paolo-Francalacci/publication/12255117/figure/fig1/AS:282309682057216@1444319281178/Top-Maximum-parsimony-phylogeny-of-the-NRY-markers-found-in-Europe-and-elsewhere-YAP.png

[Croatian Legend]

You again about SLAVS...... ok i am gonna ask you a question do you know what a SLAV or rather what makes one SLAV and when did this propaganda start with SLAVDOM. I'll gladly explain but maybe you willl realize it for yourself. One hint Bolsheviks (Commies). Anyway what you maybe think in term of Slavs is rather Scythian/Sarmatian and those steppe tribes. YES they are the so called classical Aryans.

And to your question who is more close to Ancient Aryan....... neither BOTH are. But again we come back to the whole SLAV problem..... anyway all they are saying is Croats are more closer related to Germanics. What makes an actuall Croat unique genetically is his Scythian/Sarmatian input.

[MandM]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paolo-Francalacci/publication/12255117/figure/fig1/AS:282309682057216@1444319281178/Top-Maximum-parsimony-phylogeny-of-the-NRY-markers-found-in-Europe-and-elsewhere-YAP.png

Could some one explaine this genetic markers with EU and nr after them, for some reason i have never noticed them befor

[Croatian Legend]

Could some one explaine this genetic markers with EU and nr after them, for some reason i have never noticed them befor

Eu4 yellow is E-M35

Eu 7 and Eu 8 blue is I1/I2

EU 18 green is R1b

Eu 19 purple is R1a

Eu 9/10/11 red is J1/J2

[MandM]

Eu4 yellow is E-M35

Eu 7 and Eu 8 blue is I1/I2

EU 18 green is R1b

Eu 19 purple is R1a

Eu 9/10/11 red is J1/J2


Thank you

[Croatian Legend]

EU 13/14 pink is N

[Nausevar]

Primorac is embarassing. I've seen ustashoids mention its 2005 dumb studies to explain how croats lived in the balkans before the roman empire because there were some I2 samples somewhere :picard1:

[Nausevar]

yea i just had to look "Altajsko-Anatolski" up. Just FACEPALM.
Them Serbs/Yugo idiots will never learn and just keep rambling on about some Fantasy History. Even their beloved Russian Historians are cringing hard when they hear stupid shit like that.

Could write more about some Historical and Gnetical facts here but there is no point in arguing with wanna be geneticist and historians that hold on to some amateur tools or fake History....... ridiculous!
The only ridiculous who politicizes history here it's you.
By denying I2-PH908 was brought by slavic speakers who were autosomally in the same cluster with eastern european slavic speakers with R1a haplogroup you disqualify yourself.
You are probably the same ustashoid I saw on a telegram channel who babbled nonsense about Primorac demonstrating Croats were not slavs and present in the balkans since the mesolithic :picard1:

[Croatian Legend]

The only ridiculous who politicizes history here it's you.
By denying I2-PH908 was brought by slavic speakers who were autosomally in the same cluster with eastern european slavic speakers with R1a haplogroup you disqualify yourself.
You are probably the same ustashoid I saw on a telegram channel who babbled nonsense about Primorac demonstrating Croats were not slavs and present in the balkans since the mesolithic :picard1:

You clearlly don't have clue when it comes to genetics and haplogroups.
If you have read my posts, then you will see that i have done a whole genome sequencing and my supposed "slavic" part is extremly low. (Single digits)

It's actually smartasses like you that go with the mainstream instead of researching and questioning actual genenticist to get some actual valid info about the haplogroups and autosomal results. I have done my research i know what i am talking about. But since you call yourself dinaric slav says everything.

And again i am going to repeat for you also, since you say "slavic speakers" brought the haplogroup i2 p908. What did i say in my posts .... language doesn't mean ethnicity/ blood or haplogroups. Either u are a Serb or some Yugo simpathizer. But yea haplogroup I2 p908 came with White Croats as a major force..... (Just to say in advance , whatever you will post next will show if you know actual History /Genetics)

What telegram channel are you talking about lol �� What Primorac said was nothing wrong it seems you really have no clue! And i never claimed that Croats have been in the Balkans since Mesolithic times. I won't go into an nonsensical argument with you!

[Croatian Legend]

An i am going to repeat haplogroup I1 and I2 are old european! And this includes also I2 P908 subclade.

[Katarzyna]

An i am going to repeat haplogroup I1 and I2 are old european! And this includes also I2 P908 subclade.

Nice, if I was born with a p*nis I would be also an I2 btw :)

[true_southron]

You clearlly don't have clue when it comes to genetics and haplogroups.
If you have read my posts, then you will see that i have done a whole genome sequencing and my supposed "slavic" part is extremly low. (Single digits)

It's actually smartasses like you that go with the mainstream instead of researching and questioning actual genenticist to get some actual valid info about the haplogroups and autosomal results. I have done my research i know what i am talking about. But since you call yourself dinaric slav says everything.

And again i am going to repeat for you also, since you say "slavic speakers" brought the haplogroup i2 p908. What did i say in my posts .... language doesn't mean ethnicity/ blood or haplogroups. Either u are a Serb or some Yugo simpathizer. But yea haplogroup I2 p908 came with White Croats as a major force..... (Just to say in advance , whatever you will post next will show if you know actual History /Genetics)

What telegram channel are you talking about lol �� What Primorac said was nothing wrong it seems you really have no clue! And i never claimed that Croats have been in the Balkans since Mesolithic times. I won't go into an nonsensical argument with you!

For me, the northern component on various tests is not even Slavic but Icelandic, Norwegian or Orcadian, and the southern is Cyprus Greek or Malta.

[Vessna]

Nice, if I was born with a p*nis I would be also an I2 btw :)


I would be an R1a - CTS1211.

I don’t understand what the fuss is all about. Southern Slavs are genetically close to other populations in the area with some Slavic thrown into the mix. Similar to Eastern Slavs being close to Balts and Finns.


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[The_Strategist]

so what is conclusion about south Slavic heritage? How much Iranian and Turkish blood there is? I am yet to receive DNA test results but my guess is that people in ex Yugoslavia are one big mix of many old tribes.

[true_southron]

so what is conclusion about south Slavic heritage? How much Iranian and Turkish blood there is? I am yet to receive DNA test results but my guess is that people in ex Yugoslavia are one big mix of many old tribes.

From what I see here Croats pretty much score results almost on par with some of the East and West Slavic groups, so you're "safe".

Its impossible to tell how much Turkish genes there are because they assimilated Byzantines, who were a mix of Levantine, Greco-Roman, Paleo-Balkan, and West Asian people. There is a way to distinguish between Turkic and other. However some of the Turkic genes may had arrived with Avars or Bulgars.

[The_Strategist]

From what I see here Croats pretty much score results almost on par with some of the East and West Slavic groups, so you're "safe".

Its impossible to tell how much Turkish genes there are because they assimilated Byzantines, who were a mix of Levantine, Greco-Roman, Paleo-Balkan, and West Asian people. There is a way to distinguish between Turkic and other. However some of the Turkic genes may had arrived with Avars or Bulgars.

Some theories say Croats and Serbs migrated to Balkan from Poland, so that might explain it. I have been told that except Albanians ex yugoslavs are essentially genetically similar. But I assume it is quite complicated to determine what exactly makes such mix. I am Croatian/Bosnian so I wouldn't be surprised to score some turkish dna. There are also popular theories about Croats and Serbs coming from Iran so I am curious to see is there genetic backing for that.

[Vessna]

From what I see here Croats pretty much score results almost on par with some of the East and West Slavic groups, so you're "safe".

Its impossible to tell how much Turkish genes there are because they assimilated Byzantines, who were a mix of Levantine, Greco-Roman, Paleo-Balkan, and West Asian people. There is a way to distinguish between Turkic and other. However some of the Turkic genes may had arrived with Avars or Bulgars.

I am yet to see a Croat that scores a result similar to a Belarusian or a Russian, or even a NE Pole. Please don’t spread misinformation.


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[Far_away]

so what is conclusion about south Slavic heritage? How much Iranian and Turkish blood there is? I am yet to receive DNA test results but my guess is that people in ex Yugoslavia are one big mix of many old tribes.

yes big mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYhnflyun4E
slavs + paleo balkan people, and + some east med genetics that was brought by Romans from Anatolia
there are no Turkish dna. There are very little % turkic in some but it did not come from Ottomans but from Avars,Cumans,Bulgars...

[true_southron]

I am yet to see a Croat that scores a result similar to a Belarusian or a Russian, or even a NE Pole. Please don’t spread misinformation.


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I meant obviously to those geographically closer groups and regions, not those in the north of Europe.


Some theories say Croats and Serbs migrated to Balkan from Poland, so that might explain it. I have been told that except Albanians ex yugoslavs are essentially genetically similar. But I assume it is quite complicated to determine what exactly makes such mix. I am Croatian/Bosnian so I wouldn't be surprised to score some turkish dna. There are also popular theories about Croats and Serbs coming from Iran so I am curious to see is there genetic backing for that.

As I said, you won't be able to determine the period, unless it came directly from your paternal line, so you do Y DNA test, and figure out that all other relatives are from Turkey, Iran, or Middle East. But I saw even some Scandinavians getting some miniscule SSA ancestry and they had no African or even south European ancestor in last 400 years.

[The_Strategist]

what is your y dna result?

[true_southron]

what is your y dna result?

I2a

[Nausevar]

If you have read my posts, then you will see that i have done a whole genome sequencing and my supposed "slavic" part is extremly low. (Single digits)What's your K13 and G25?


And again i am going to repeat for you also, since you say "slavic speakers" brought the haplogroup i2 p908. What did i say in my posts .... language doesn't mean ethnicity/ blood or haplogroups. How did non-slavic croats learn slavic language?


Either u are a Serb or some Yugo simpathizer. But yea haplogroup I2 p908 came with White Croats as a major force..... (Just to say in advance , whatever you will post next will show if you know actual History /Genetics)
What is ridiculous is that you just don't care about the truth at all. You are clearly a croatian nationalist, and you start with the premise that you don't want some new Yugoslav state and to prevent that you think that denying Croats are slavic is a good strategy. You start with a political goal and you invent facts to add a justification for your political goal. Totally demented and dishonest.
There's plenty of proud croats on these forums who are happy with croatian independence who don't lie like you. Croatia can exist as an independent country even if its people have partial slavic origins. In the same way Denmark is independent and doesn't have to deny germanic origins to be separate from Germany or Sweden.
The fact you claim I think what I think for political reasons tells everything ("Either u are a Serb or some Yugo simpathizer") because you are projecting your mentality on me.
I base my ideas on FACTS. And a fact is my admixture on my signature, for instance. What's your admixture?


An i am going to repeat haplogroup I1 and I2 are old european! And this includes also I2 P908 subclade.Yes, but I2-PH908 is a subclade of I2 which originated about 2000 years ago in Eastern Europe among slavic speakers. Those old europeans who had basal I2 evolved during millennia, and mixed with indoeuropeans and took their language. Slavs are an indoeuropean linguistic group. Slavic speakers with eastern european genetics moved to the balkans and mixed with native balkanic people who were genetically italian-like. The result is modern so called south slavs.

[Croatian Legend]

What's your K13 and G25?

How did non-slavic croats learn slavic language?

What is ridiculous is that you just don't care about the truth at all. You are clearly a croatian nationalist, and you start with the premise that you don't want some new Yugoslav state and to prevent that you think that denying Croats are slavic is a good strategy. You start with a political goal and you invent facts to add a justification for your political goal. Totally demented and dishonest.
There's plenty of proud croats on these forums who are happy with croatian independence who don't lie like you. Croatia can exist as an independent country even if its people have partial slavic origins. In the same way Denmark is independent and doesn't have to deny germanic origins to be separate from Germany or Sweden.
The fact you claim I think what I think for political reasons tells everything ("Either u are a Serb or some Yugo simpathizer") because you are projecting your mentality on me.
I base my ideas on FACTS. And a fact is my admixture on my signature, for instance. What's your admixture?

Yes, but I2-PH908 is a subclade of I2 which originated about 2000 years ago in Eastern Europe among slavic speakers. Those old europeans who had basal I2 evolved during millennia, and mixed with indoeuropeans and took their language. Slavs are an indoeuropean linguistic group. Slavic speakers with eastern european genetics moved to the balkans and mixed with native balkanic people who were genetically italian-like. The result is modern so called south slavs.

To your first question:

It seems you can't read properly. I did a Whole Genome Sequencing (if you don't know what that is look it up) You are like the majority here that take some amateurish calculators serious. But every Geneticist will tell you otherwise not to or even forget about those. But anyway....

Second:

Read more actual History not some Yugoslav or Panslavic bullshit propaganda.
One tip before the 15th or 12th century no one in eastern europe called themselves "SLAVS". Croats where Croats period. This Slavic umbrella stuff that tries to put majority of eastern europe under one Slavic umbrella is a modern thing or rather Bolshevistik/Communistic way of thinking, instead of actual facts.

Third:

Well that i am against Yugoslavia and some Slavic way of thinking well that is correct. But what i actually think u have no clue. So i rather u keep your mouth shut. Since u no nothing. You spew just the same nonsensical Bullshit what unread and uneducated people ramble about. And up until now it was always some Yugoslav simpathizer or Serb with their made up History. But hey i got news for you i don't care about that.
So ima repeat again learn and read history trust me u will be surprized. And then we can talk normally.

(Btw if you think i have something against Serbs, no i don't. It's just up until now it was mostly serbs that spew the same fake propaganda and btw they are just victims of a big brainwash campain. But they are also normal ones that you can actually talk with)

Trust me those Croats that are proud will be open to hear some more info about their Croatian History. Since alot of them are also misinformed but the difference is they are open or even interested in hearing some stuff. Since i give clues and sources and not just that , i encourage to question history. And to read every side of the story.

And the last:

You cleary just copy the same rethoric. And your "Slav" thing again ..... �� i am not gonna bother anymore. But i will give you a question and with that something 2 think about.
2000 years ago do you believe that those i2 p908 called themselves slavs? And if you say yes then u actually don't have no clue at all.

[true_southron]

To your first question:

It seems you can't read properly. I did a Whole Genome Sequencing (if you don't know what that is look it up) You are like the majority here that take some amateurish calculators serious. But every Geneticist will tell you otherwise not to or even forget about those. But anyway....

Second:

Read more actual History not some Yugoslav or Panslavic bullshit propaganda.
One tip before the 15th or 12th century no one in eastern europe called themselves "SLAVS". Croats where Croats period. This Slavic umbrella stuff that tries to put majority of eastern europe under one Slavic umbrella is a modern thing or rather Bolshevistik/Communistic way of thinking, instead of actual facts.

Third:

Well that i am against Yugoslavia and some Slavic way of thinking well that is correct. But what i actually think u have no clue. So i rather u keep your mouth shut. Since u no nothing. You spew just the same nonsensical Bullshit what unread and uneducated people ramble about. And up until now it was always some Yugoslav simpathizer or Serb with their made up History. But hey i got news for you i don't care about that.
So ima repeat again learn and read history trust me u will be surprized. And then we can talk normally.

(Btw if you think i have something against Serbs, no i don't. It's just up until now it was mostly serbs that spew the same fake propaganda and btw they are just victims of a big brainwash campain. But they are also normal ones that you can actually talk with)

Trust me those Croats that are proud will be open to hear some more info about their Croatian History. Since alot of them are also misinformed but the difference is they are open or even interested in hearing some stuff. Since i give clues and sources and not just that , i encourage to question history. And to read every side of the story.

And the last:

You cleary just copy the same rethoric. And your "Slav" thing again ..... �� i am not gonna bother anymore. But i will give you a question and with that something 2 think about.
2000 years ago do you believe that those i2 p908 called themselves slavs? And if you say yes then u actually don't have no clue at all.

What tool did you use to extract and compare the autosomal data from whole genome file (I suppose you received the file in BAM format)?