classify this swedish looking dutch man

[calloflorb]

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this is what the sintashta and corded ware people looked like

[Oliver109]

anglo saxon and tronder

[nittionia]

He looks super Dutch to me

[HectorOfTroy]

this is what the sintashta and corded ware people looked like

Actually no, he looks too anglo/west germanic for either of those (small nose, shortish midface, hooded eyes). Sintashta is a long faced high cheekboned type with larger facial features.

[Rostos vilmoskörte]

What makes him look Swedish?

[PaganPoet]

What makes him look Swedish?

Well, whenever I am in the South of the Netherlands, I don't see this face very often. Slightly more so in the train stations, as there are more people from the entire country.

[HectorOfTroy]

no he doesnt, hes right his phenotype would be found the most amongst sintashta and corded ware like people, metrically, both of those groups cluster and overlap with anglo saxons and germanics rather than slavs or any other europeans

for example, a cluster analysis of corded ware people and the germanics

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i dont know if you can understand this graph very well, but as you can see, they are the closest to anglo saxon and "the Scandinavian" series, as this is a cluster analysis, no series included have created a separate cluster between each other, meaning they are essentially identical with each other and belong in the same cluster, same goes for proto indo iranians, they are closest to germanics, in this order: first the anglo saxon series, when i mention anglo saxons i mention the earlier ones that were genetically Scandinavian rather than modern english so henceforth would look the most like modern day dutch/north germans and Scandinavians, after the anglo saxon series, they are then also closest to ancient germanic series such as alemmanis and also the bujawarens or baiwuarris, also cant forget to include the viking series from north scotland and longobard from austria and hungary, so it is certainly true that they looked like this man, as proven by metrics

Lmao you're op's alt. And metrics means overall dimensions of facial features, dont know what that picture is referencing since you cropped it out but its probably something incredibly autistic that means nothing like cm differences in head breadth and vault height. Idk about corded ware but Sintashta and other kurgan types are genetically closest to North Eastern Europeans like North Slavs and Scandinavians. not anglos. quoted reply is a dumb shitpost. You probably think slavs are not aryans.

[MandM]

He looks super Dutch to me

I agree with you
We have a lot of truck drivers from Holland, and many look like him, they are mostly darkblond or brownhair

[Abti]

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this is what the sintashta and corded ware people looked like

I doubt it.

[Regnera]

Tronder,I guess.

[Abti]

i think you should stick to genetics, you dont wanna jump head on into something you are not familiar with, since i already know your arugments are gonna consist of using genetics as your only basis to prove me wrong, i might add that bell beakers-bronze age from nw europe were genetically extremely similar to scandos yet looked nothing like them here proven by metrics and countless of studies

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germanic series 39-42

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bell beaker/bronze age series from scotland and Ireland 25-26

"Historical craniometric studies found that the Beaker people appeared to be of a different physical type than those earlier populations in the same geographic areas. They were described as tall, heavy boned and brachycephalic. The early studies on the Beakers which were based on the analysis of their skeletal remains, were craniometric. This apparent evidence of migration was in line with archaeological discoveries linking Beaker culture to new farming techniques, mortuary practices, copper-working skills, and other cultural innovations. However, such evidence from skeletal remains was brushed aside as a new movement developed in archaeology from the 1960s, which stressed cultural continuity. Anti-migrationist authors either paid little attention to skeletal evidence or argued that differences could be explained by environmental and cultural influences. Margaret Cox and Simon Mays sum up the position: "Although it can hardly be said that craniometric data provide an unequivocal answer to the problem of the Beaker folk, the balance of the evidence would at present seem to favour a migration hypothesis"


"Jocelyne Desideri examined the teeth in skeletons from Bell Beaker sites in Northern Spain, Southern France, Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Hungary. Examining dental characteristics that have been independently shown to correlate with genetic relatedness, she found that only in Northern Spain and the Czech Republic were there demonstrable links between immediately previous populations and Bell Beaker populations. Elsewhere there was a discontinuity."

Jocelyne Desideri, Europe during the Third Millennium BC and Bell Beaker Culture Phenomenon: peopling history through dental non-metric traits study (2008) Archived 26 July 2011 at the Wayback Machine.
dude dont use genetics as your counter arguments because its gonna make me cringe so hard lmao

meanwhile your evidence:
Distance to: Swedish
0.02633509 Scotland_EIA
0.02796871 Scotland_MIA_LIA
0.02817170 Scotland_LBA
0.02817170 NorthWest_Europe_BA:GreatBritain_BA:Scotland_LBA:_ _BC__1150_850__k5
0.02949518 Bell_Beaker_Ireland:IRL_BA
0.02949518 NorthWest_Europe_BA:Ireland_BA:__BC__1950_1650__k2
0.03040698 Scotland_LIA
0.03069287 NorthWest_Europe_BA:GreatBritain_BA:Scotland_MBA:_ _BC__1450_1250__k5
0.03069291 Scotland_MBA
0.03192746 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.03192746 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.03192746 NorthWest_Europe_BA:BBC_NorthWest:Bell_Beaker_NW_S cotland:__BC__2300__k2
0.03200191 Insular*Celt*(AD*100–1000):Pict:Scotland_LIA:I2738 5__AD_34__Coverage_72.43%
0.03200191 Pict*(AD*300–500):Pict:Scotland_LIA:I27385__AD_34_ _Coverage_72.43%
0.03218486 NorthWest_Europe_BA_o:GreatBritain_BA:Scotland_CA_ EBA:__BC__2150_1750__k7
0.03368380 Scotland_Pictish_EMA
0.03368380 Insular*Celt*(AD*100–1000):Pict:Scotland_Pictish_E MA:KD001__AD_541__Coverage_57.65%
0.03368380 Pict*(AD*300–500):Pict:Scotland_Pictish_EMA:KD001_ _AD_541__Coverage_57.65%
0.03420421 Scotland_Orkney_VA
0.03445556 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.03721204 Scotland_MIA
0.03912224 Scotland_Skye_IA
0.03999340 Insular*Celt*(AD*100–1000):Pict:Scotland_LIA:I3568 __AD_38__Coverage_68.53%
0.03999340 Pict*(AD*300–500):Pict:Scotland_LIA:I3568__AD_38__ Coverage_68.53%
0.04018598 Insular*Celt*(AD*100–1000):Pict:Scotland_Orkney_VA :VK203__AD_361__Coverage_56.71%

"bUt BrO GeNetICs n ShiEEEEEET"
>scotland bronze age samples genetically identical to modern germanics
>also are different metrically in every way possible to germanics
"WE WUZ SLAV SINTASHTA N SHIEEET"

You use a lot of "your" in your long theatrical tirade, have we met?. :confused3:

[HectorOfTroy]

the fact you dont even know what a dendrogram cluster analysis using Penrose distance by compiling metrics shows you'ev lost, anyone who is a well versed anthropology enthusiast should know this, ive legit made this account just now, you sound more autistic than anyone ive met, you are using terms like "cm differences in head breadth and vault height" kek, by cm do you mean cro magnid or craniometric? if its the former than: those terminologies are extremely obscure for a reason because its not feasible to use it in modern craniometry or any other academics, ive only seen forums retards use it like you hahahhha, but yeah, genetics also mean nothing, slavs arent aryans nor do they look like that, there are no aryans today because they went extinct , this is a dendrogram using Penrose distance in regards to metrics, they are using metrics avaliable and calculate distances by the penrose method, do you seriously not know what that is? and what other way to show affinity other than doing a cluster analysis, also in regards to the shitty genotype=phenotype discussion, every Germanic and anglo comes closest to sintashta in terms of metrics ... blah

What metrics? Why dont you post them instead of a cropped image where context is impossible to be found? Why dont you post what these metrics are and prove me wrong then. The whole argument is what metrics were they using so posting some cropped image where the metrics used are cut out means absolutley nothing.

it sounds like its 'craniometrics' which is really another word for useless autistic things like skull length breadth or whatever. Completley throwing away all the rest of facial features. A few cms of just skull length etc (blah) means nothing unless it's an exaggerated difference. People recognize each other by facial features mainly not "his skull is 230mm in breadth, his is 240mm", I don't have to spell it out for you why that's autistic and doesn't really mean anything. Go look at a Sinatashta reconstruction or skull because it's obvious you've never seen one, Anglos have short wide midfaces, small shorter and flatter noses, Sintashta has long midface and narrower, and a large vertical nose. That alone is pretty significant and is going to make a person look very different from the other to anyone who isn't only autistically obsessed with mm's of 'cephaly', that's like 1/3 of what makes up a person's facial appearance.
I'm not mad I was annoyed since it sounds like the typical mostly incorrect we wuz kangz but american stormfronter version, which is silly since they usually consider themselves and germans as 'true aryans' and then rip on slavs as mongrels even though they are genetically closest to Aryans (north slavs and scandos) than any other European group.

Can't remember well but seem some genetic plot graphs with Ancient and modern europeans compared and Yamnaya and ANE (where Y dna R originates from) is closest to slavs.

[Odelia]

Swedish looking dutchman? That's like saying a samoan looking tongan. lel