Europeans, do they look closer to East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans?

[Kess]

Discuss

[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

Europeans have more common features with SSA then with east asian

[Blondie]

Many native european has few % east asian genetic, mostly in East and North Europe, but we dont have SSA admixture. Europeans and east asians also share some neanderthal ancestry, blacks dont have such things. If you check the IQ level, skin color, culture, europeans and east asians are much closer.

[Eurafricanid]

skin color.

Here's the only thing you typed that was relevant to the thread :).

[Eurafricanid]

I think in general Europeans look closer to East Asians, but some more extreme CMs look structurally very close to Nilotes from SSA.
Although East Asians in general look (structurally) closer to SSAs then to Europeans.

[Blondie]

Here's the only thing you typed that was relevant to the thread :).

I dont care the title, i just compared them in every way. SSA peoples are totally alien in Europe.

[Eurafricanid]

I dont care the title, i just compared them in every way. SSA peoples are totally alien in Europe.

Just like East Asians.

[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

Discuss

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[Ugo]

Europeans and East Asians descended from Eurasians after leaving Africa. Populations closest to Europeans: 1) West Asia 2) Amerindians 3) East Asia 4) South Asia and North Africa 5) Australia and Oceania 6) SSA 7) Hominids Neanderthals/Denisovans

[Token]

Forest Negroes/West Africans are a mixture of Proto-Africans similar to pygmies (minus the dwarfism) and caucasoids. This was discovered by Earnest Hooton based on cranial traits (in cranial morphology West Africans are intermediate between pygmies with normal stature and caucasoids), and it has been vindicated by genetics in a paper released a few years ago.

[Oliver109]

I would say south Londoners and Parisians i.e blacks, on a serious note east Asians are more specialised than Africans and white caucasoids so they look more different, the negroid type evolved out of a proto caucasoid australoid hybrid so they would look closer naturally. Even singing voices of blacks are more similar to those of whites as the lack of Asian artists sans K pop will tell you.

[Blondie]

Just like East Asians.

Not really, SSA is more alien by far.

[Eurafricanid]

Not really, SSA is more alien by far.

Yeah, you're right, 'cause East Asians have more in common with Europeans in general, skin tone, hair texture, and some general facial features are more similar.

[Kess]

Many native european has few % east asian genetic, mostly in East and North Europe, but we dont have SSA admixture. Europeans and east asians also share some neanderthal ancestry, blacks dont have such things. If you check the IQ level, skin color, culture, europeans and east asians are much closer.
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This is what I also think. Due to the Hunnic invasion, many Europeans have a very small percentage of East Asian genetics. Even though both Europeans and East Asians have much more Neanderthal genes than Sub-Saharan Africans, further analyses have found that Neanderthal gene flow is even detectable in African populations, suggesting that some variants obtained from Neanderthals pose a survival advantage.

[Kess]

https://i.ibb.co/yhTs7HD/twinsfeature.jpg (https://ibb.co/gv1ghkG)
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Actually, some black people look more closer to East Asians than Europeans due to epicanthic fold

For example, this man: 123600

[Tooting Carmen]

Even for me this thread is silly. Where is the 'neither' option?

[Ugo]

Distance to: Norwegian
0.58468047 Amerindian_North
0.61138298 Han
0.64584317 Australian
0.77659761 Yoruba



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This is what I also think. Due to the Hunnic invasion, many Europeans have a very small percentage of East Asian genetics. Even though both Europeans and East Asians have much more Neanderthal genes than Sub-Saharan Africans, further analyses have found that Neanderthal gene flow is even detectable in African populations, suggesting that some variants obtained from Neanderthals pose a survival advantage.
Africa has a lot of its "Neanderthals".
Target: South_Africa
Distance: 16.2157% / 0.16215687
82.6 Homo_Sapiens
13.6 Denisovan
3.0 African_Hominin
0.8 Neanderthal

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 15.4886% / 0.15488627
97.4 Homo_Sapiens
1.8 Neanderthal
0.8 Denisovan

[Blondie]

Due to the Hunnic invasion, many Europeans have a very small percentage of East Asian genetics.

It has nothing to do with huns. They were irrelevant in genetical sense. But large part of Europe was dominated by various finno-ugric tribes, and they have pretty significant asian admixture. Turkics, mongols did not really affect the european genetic, finno-ugrics did it.

[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

Yeah, you're right, 'cause East Asians have more in common with Europeans in general, skin tone, hair texture, and some general facial features are more similar.

White geisha comes to mind lol
https://i.ibb.co/7bkX74F/Screenshot-20231002-001945-Samsung-Internet.jpg

[sarmsaksogan]

East Asians

[Oliver109]

Even for me this thread is silly. Where is the 'neither' option?

It isn't silly, if you think about things the Blacks and Caucasoids are less specialized than east Asians, EAs tend to be more specialized in hair texture, skin qualities, voice and in dental morphology, i think negroid teeth are more similar to caucasoid teeth. EAs are also conditioned to be more rule focused and introverted, something that doesn't apply to Caucasoids who are the least rule bound or negroids who also enjoy more liberty than is traditionally the norm in Asian societies.

[ecptr]

This picture implies that Europeans and East Asians descended from a common ancestor who parted ways with the negro further back.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Phylogenetic_structure_of_Africans.png

[Demirkazık]

Ainu people look like pseudo-Europeans in my opinion.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8457cd33feb74553bb96cb0e714afa61-lq
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1ed74b3c49e4da1f09d4d4563da8c6c7-lq
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f2460a71b7ea9adf89b708c1916fb10f-lq

Stéphane Mallarmé for example:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Portrait_of_Stéphane_Mallarmé.jpg

Basically an Ainu

[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

Ainu people look like pseudo-Europeans in my opinion.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8457cd33feb74553bb96cb0e714afa61-lq
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1ed74b3c49e4da1f09d4d4563da8c6c7-lq
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Stéphane Mallarmé for example:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Portrait_of_Stéphane_Mallarmé.jpg

Basically an Ainu

Ainu are closer to siberians then to east asians

[Oliver109]

Ainu are Caucasoids before they turned into east Asians

[Demirkazık]

Ainu are Caucasoids before they turned into east Asians

Are you talking about Jomons, since Ainu are already East Asian admixed.

[Oliver109]

Are you talking about Jomons, since Ainu are already East Asian admixed.

Ainu became east Asian admixed but the original Japanese were related to Mediterranids inclusing jomon

[Kess]

Ainu are Caucasoids before they turned into east Asians

Source?

[Kess]

Ainu people look like pseudo-Europeans in my opinion.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8457cd33feb74553bb96cb0e714afa61-lq
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1ed74b3c49e4da1f09d4d4563da8c6c7-lq
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Stéphane Mallarmé for example:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Portrait_of_Stéphane_Mallarmé.jpg

Basically an Ainu

In my opinion, Ainu people look like Japanese people from Hokkaido but less East Asian looking versions of them.

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

It has nothing to do with huns. They were irrelevant in genetical sense. But large part of Europe was dominated by various finno-ugric tribes, and they have pretty significant asian admixture. Turkics, mongols did not really affect the european genetic, finno-ugrics did it.

some Finns have clear East Asian admix in their phenotype

[nittionia]

I expect a card for Asian heritage month from all of you

[CordedWhelp]

I expect a card for Asian heritage month from all of you

Someone needs to re-up on that anti-Uralic medicine. :costumed-smiley-067:costumed-smiley-067

[DomitiusAurelian]

We glorious East Asians do not consider you Eurogays as one of us.

[nittionia]

Someone needs to re-up on that anti-Uralic medicine. :costumed-smiley-067:costumed-smiley-067

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[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

We glorious East Asians do not consider you Eurogays as one of us.

Turks arent east asian, more like central asian

[Voskos]

Which Europeans? I'm fully caucasoid looking Georgian/Armenian.

Mongoloids and africans can kiss my brown ass.

[Kess]

Turks arent east asian, more like central asian

For Turkish and Azerbaijani, West Asian is more appropriate.

[DomitiusAurelian]

Turks arent east asian, more like central asian

I'm just joking, bored af I hate my life

[gixajo]

We glorious East Asians do not consider you Eurogays as one of us.

Why? Some Turkish told me I pass well in Turkey...:picard1:

But I can be Turkish till the next month, this month I am honorary Hungarian King.

[DomitiusAurelian]

Why? Some Turkish told me I pass well in Turkey...:picard1:

But I can be Turkish till the next month, this month I am honorary Hungarian King.

As I said I'm merely joking brother, don't take me seriously. If you want to be a Turk follow our father's path! Join the Kemalist squad!

[Demirkazık]

Why? Some Turkish told me I pass well in Turkey...:picard1:

But I can be Turkish till the next month, this month I am honorary Hungarian King.

We are fellow R1a's! You are welcome to become Turkish.

[gixajo]

As I said I'm merely joking brother, don't take me seriously. If you want to be a Turk follow our father's path! Join the Kemalist squad!

I don´t know if you were joking, but I am totally serious. You can call me László.

[gixajo]

We are fellow R1a's! You are welcome to become Turkish.

Teşekkür ederim, gelecek ay Türk olmaktan onur duyacağım ama artık Macaristan krallığını demir yumrukla yönetmek zorundayım ve şu anda Macarların (yine :rolleyes:) bir Türk hükümdarına sahip olmak isteyeceğini düşünmüyorum. .

[Annihilus]

We are fellow R1a's! You are welcome to become Turkish.

Bro, I didn't know you were Z93. What is your terminal snp?

[Demirkazık]

Teşekkür ederim, gelecek ay Türk olmaktan onur duyacağım ama artık Macaristan krallığını demir yumrukla yönetmek zorundayım ve şu anda Macarların (yine :rolleyes:) bir Türk hükümdarına sahip olmak isteyeceğini düşünmüyorum. .

I'm assuming you don't know Turkish but holy... Google Translate did a good job. I give my respect towards László the king of Magyarország :hail:


Bro, I didn't know you were Z93. What is your terminal snp?

The only thing I know is I'm R1a, YSEQ cladefinder shows it as R-Z2125 and as a second prediction R-M458. Very similar situation to gixajo's and Jana's father if I remember correctly.

https://i.ibb.co/tCpm4x8/Screenshot-13.png

I could be either a Slavo-Germanic overlord, or a Turkic horse archer. The WGS I'll do when I find the chance will decide my fate. :fhhorse:

[gixajo]

The only thing I know is I'm R1a, YSEQ cladefinder shows it as R-Z2125 and as a second prediction R-M458. Very similar situation to gixajo's and Jana's father if I remember correctly.

:

Yeah, my prediction with Myheritage raw data was R1a-Z2125 but it was wrong (MH raw data has not enough information to determine well Ydna hg´s) and I am actually R1a-Z280... etc.

[Demirkazık]

Yeah, my prediction with Myheritage raw data was R1a-Z2125 but it was wrong (MH raw data has not enough information to determine well Ydna hg´s) and I am actually R1a-Z280... etc.

Which in my case I think the R-Z2125 has a greater possibility being my parental line, of course It could also be R-M458 which makes me a bit skeptical. I'm waiting for FamilyTreeDNA's free haplogroup info, if I'm under R-M458 I'll probably do a WGS to see which subclade I fall into.

[Grace O'Malley]

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They are sisters with white and black ancestry. So not a good example as far as what populations are closest to each other. I think genetics is the way to go to answer these type of questions as looks are very subjective and Europeans are closer to East Asians than SSA populations.

[HectorOfTroy]

If we're talking about unmixed types (so asians without middle eastern or ANE admix, aka no turanids and no certain japanese and western chinese types), then obviously SSA because ethiopids. ethiopids are mostly caucasoid in metrics.
http://humanphenotypes.net/eastethiopidm.jpg
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/ethiopidm.jpg

[Kess]

EAs are also conditioned to be more rule focused and introverted, something that doesn't apply to Caucasoids who are the least rule bound or negroids who also enjoy more liberty than is traditionally the norm in Asian societies.

Then, how do you explain Germans?

[Kess]

If we're talking about unmixed types (so asians without middle eastern or ANE admix, aka no turanids and no certain japanese and western chinese types), then obviously SSA because ethiopids. ethiopids are mostly caucasoid in metrics.
http://humanphenotypes.net/eastethiopidm.jpg
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/ethiopidm.jpg

Aren't Ethiopids already considered Caucasoid? I don't think they should count as SSA racially.

[Oliver109]

Then, how do you explain Germans?

Germans are leaning more in an Asian direction than the British but they still obviously have more or less Caucasoid traits, one does have to remember though that alpine and borreby types have evolved in a Mongoloid direction.

[majevica]

Ainu are closer to siberians then to east asians

They are not really close to anyone

Distance to: Ainu_Sakhalin_1800-1950CE
0.12293378 Japanese
0.12637477 Mongol_IMAR
0.12898251 Dungan
0.12966488 Yuku
0.13013244 Mongol_Inner_Mongolia
0.13059178 Mongola
0.13202671 Salar
0.13231745 Baoan
0.13280230 Dongxiang
0.13287460 Xibo
0.13288379 Daur
0.13308816 Hezhen
0.13317608 Hui
0.13453396 Tibetan_Xunhua
0.13482939 Tu
0.13507854 Nepali_Tamang_Simigaon
0.13564134 Bonan
0.13630575 Magar
0.13641714 Gurung
0.13693087 Tibetan_Gannan
0.13717087 Tamang
0.13891292 Yugur
0.13941699 Nivkh
0.14162553 Tibetan_Gangcha
0.14345630 Korean

Distance to: Japan_Jomon_Initial
0.14773255 Agta
0.14883710 Aeta
0.16559018 Tharu
0.16765697 Batak
0.16765972 Kusunda
0.16782977 Nepali_Indo-Aryan_o2
0.16944929 Nepali_Tamang_Simigaon
0.17238920 Magar
0.17291565 Dungan
0.17408902 Tamang
0.17485761 Dongxiang
0.17573357 Jamatia
0.17590444 Salar
0.17693899 Nepali_Indo-Aryan_o1
0.17748402 Tripuri
0.17763666 Japanese
0.17849645 Riang
0.17966271 Mon
0.17975812 Burmese
0.18030221 Baoan
0.18150788 Hui
0.18252574 Brahmin_Manipuri
0.18484993 Hui_Guizhou
0.18591148 Tibetan_Gannan
0.18622974 Bonan

[Ugo]

If we're talking about unmixed types (so asians without middle eastern or ANE admix, aka no turanids and no certain japanese and western chinese types), then obviously SSA because ethiopids. ethiopids are mostly caucasoid in metrics.

Ethiopians are 40-90% SSA. The Japanese and Chinese do not have ANE, only Siberians and Amerindian (and in Western Eurasia).

[Ugo]

They are not really close to anyone

Distance to: Ainu_Sakhalin_1800-1950CE

Share the coordinates of the Ainu, please

[majevica]

Share the coordinates of the Ainu, please


Ainu_Sakhalin_1800-1950CE,0.011382,-0.380824,-0.011314,-0.00646,-0.007386,-0.008367,-0.004935,0.009923,0.019839,0.023508,-0.038161,-0.005245,0.002825,0.007707,-0.044381,-0.007425,0.009779,0.010642,0.01257,-0.001501,0.049288,-0.037838,-0.001849,0.004338,-0.055444

[HectorOfTroy]

Aren't Ethiopids already considered Caucasoid? I don't think they should count as SSA racially.

afaik they aren't significantly admixed with anything so they are SSA

[HectorOfTroy]

Ethiopians are 40-90% SSA. The Japanese and Chinese do not have ANE, only Siberians and Amerindian (and in Western Eurasia).

Japanese Ainu have ANE admix and so do Yakonin types most likley, western chinese like Uyghurs have Mesopotamian (Caucasoid) admix and also possibly some minor indo-aryan or ANE admix from ancient Tocharians in western China.

[Miko]

The question makes more sense if you ask who East Asians resemble the most, to either Europeans or Africans

[Miko]

It isn't silly, if you think about things the Blacks and Caucasoids are less specialized than east Asians, EAs tend to be more specialized in hair texture, skin qualities, voice and in dental morphology, i think negroid teeth are more similar to caucasoid teeth. EAs are also conditioned to be more rule focused and introverted, something that doesn't apply to Caucasoids who are the least rule bound or negroids who also enjoy more liberty than is traditionally the norm in Asian societies.

Haplogroup O is among the Whitest components in the ancestry of E. Asians.

So you can'T say their order differentiates them from Europeans.

[Septentrion]

Aren't Ethiopids already considered Caucasoid? I don't think they should count as SSA racially.

Between the two, I’d say East Asian probably due to pigmentation more so than Negroes. Athiopids are Negroes probably the original Negroes. They are not Europids. This was some craziness from some anthropologists who ignored at the time that Africans are the most diverse people on the earth. Aethiopids are one of the oldest population groups in Africa and on earth, much older than Western African groups. The only exception is the San who might be older. However it isn’t for sure. Many of the oldest human remains are found in Ethiopia. Aethiopids look the way they do, not due to admixture as many of our Western anthropologists ( including Coon ) thought.

[Immanenz]

Between the two, I’d say East Asian probably due to pigmentation more so than Negroes. Athiopids are Negroes probably the original Negroes. They are not Europids. This was some craziness from some anthropologists who ignored at the time that Africans are the most diverse people on the earth. Aethiopids are one of the oldest population groups in Africa and on earth, much older than Western African groups. The only exception is the San who might be older. However it isn’t for sure. Many of the oldest human remains are found in Ethiopia. Aethiopids look the way they do, not due to admixture as many of our Western anthropologists ( including Coon ) thought.

this proven by genetics though, not just based on craniometrics/facial features. But yeah, many have virtually the same facial features like Arabs/Semites, just with dark skin.

Anyway, the gist of these collected DNA studies is that Ethiopians are about 40% Caucasian, and are genetically a little more closely related to Mediterranean Caucasian groups like Berbers and Arabs than Western Africans, as is shown by this twig map. The actual amount of admixture varies from one group to another, but 40% is the average of all these samples. There is a Y chromosome study here that goes into more detail.
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caucasian-africans/

[Oliver109]

this proven by genetics though, not just based on craniometrics/facial features. But yeah, many have virtually the same facial features like Arabs/Semites, just with dark skin.

Anyway, the gist of these collected DNA studies is that Ethiopians are about 40% Caucasian, and are genetically a little more closely related to Mediterranean Caucasian groups like Berbers and Arabs than Western Africans, as is shown by this twig map. The actual amount of admixture varies from one group to another, but 40% is the average of all these samples. There is a Y chromosome study here that goes into more detail.
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caucasian-africans/

While the Ethiopids have non African dna their non Af ancestors probably originated fairly close to Africa, it is interesting in the case of Somalis that a lot are no lighter than other Africans like Nigerians and Kenyans, Coon suggested a link with the southern Indian caucasoids.

[Tooting Carmen]

While the Ethiopids have non African dna their non Af ancestors probably originated fairly close to Africa, it is interesting in the case of Somalis that a lot are no lighter than other Africans like Nigerians and Kenyans, Coon suggested a link with the southern Indian caucasoids.

Somalis are lighter than Kenyans and Nigerians and have much more Caucasoid traits.

[Tooting Carmen]

This being said, I find full-on Bantus tend to be more attractive than Horners. For example, compare Harry Aikines to Mo Farah.

[Oliver109]

Somalis are lighter than Kenyans and Nigerians and have much more Caucasoid traits.

Some, others are within the African mean
https://gdb.voanews.com/8A1F5793-5240-40B3-A7AE-D4EDDDEFC4A9_w408_r1_s.jpg

[Miko]

This being said, I find full-on Bantus tend to be more attractive than Horners. For example, compare Harry Aikines to Mo Farah.

Compare the 2 guys from Fresh&Fit, 1 is Sudanese.
Compare any Ethiopian president to other African leaders...

You will see they're the same, or bantus are uglier.
The Weeknd for example is Ethiopian, and he's more handsome than the average rapper.

[Ugo]

If we talk about the phenotype. Africans and Asians resemble each other more than Europeans. Europeans have greatly mutated due to the lack of climate influence. Europe has a temperate climate that does not require adaptation. Blue-eyed mutants began to appear, sexual selection came out on top before climatic selection. Therefore, the genotype and phenotype of Europeans are very different. According to the genotype, Europeans are Eurasians, according to the phenotype, mutants are albinos.

[Miko]

Athiopids are Negroes probably the original Negroes. They are not Europids. This was some craziness from some anthropologists who ignored at the time that Africans are the most diverse people on the earth. Aethiopids are one of the oldest population groups in Africa and on earth, much older than Western African groups.
Many of the oldest human remains are found in Ethiopia. Aethiopids look the way they do, not due to admixture as many of our Western anthropologists.


Ethiopids have paternal haplogroup J1.
And when they don't, they usually are of haplogroup e1b1B, the one clade that has evolved along Caucasoid populations in N. Africa.

[Kess]

Germans are leaning more in an Asian direction than the British but they still obviously have more or less Caucasoid traits, one does have to remember though that alpine and borreby types have evolved in a Mongoloid direction.

Speaking of mongoloids, the Mongols who gave the name to the racial group are the British version of East Asians. They are much more free-spirited and enjoy liberty more than other East Asians. You can read Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World to learn about their politically liberal side.

[Kess]

Distance to: Norwegian
0.58468047 Amerindian_North
0.61138298 Han
0.64584317 Australian
0.77659761 Yoruba



Africa has a lot of its "Neanderthals".
Target: South_Africa
Distance: 16.2157% / 0.16215687
82.6 Homo_Sapiens
13.6 Denisovan
3.0 African_Hominin
0.8 Neanderthal

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 15.4886% / 0.15488627
97.4 Homo_Sapiens
1.8 Neanderthal
0.8 Denisovan

Is that African sample only %82 homo-sapien? How come?