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Narration

10-15-2023, 10:30 AM

Are there any Romani kit numbers that I can compare my kit to theirs? The reason of such a purpose is: there is a family history which indicates my paternal great-grandfather was of Romani origin. I am not really into anthropology nor I have enough knowledge about it but as far as I know, Romani people have certain facial features and I can see those features both on my father and my paternal grandfather.

You can also see my Dodecad K12, Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K36 results below.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.33
2 Gedrosia 20.1
3 North_European 11.3
4 Atlantic_Med 9.94
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 East_Asian 6.37
7 Siberian 2.8
8 South_Asian 1.14
9 East_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 8.7
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.12
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 12.59
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 12.67
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.79
6 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 12.8
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 14.36
8 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.41
9 Iranians (Behar) 15.44
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 18.31
11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.39
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.47
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 18.57
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 18.93
15 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.15
16 Lebanese (Behar) 19.92
17 Lezgins (Behar) 19.92
18 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 20.38
19 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 20.58
20 Armenians (Behar) 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% Turks (Behar) + 24% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.16
2 59.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.3
3 72.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 27.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.37
4 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.8
5 85.5% Turks (Behar) + 14.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.79
6 83% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.06
7 85.2% Turks (Behar) + 14.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.39
8 85.5% Turks (Behar) + 14.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 5.43
9 82.9% Turks (Behar) + 17.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.47
10 85.7% Turks (Behar) + 14.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.47
11 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.47
12 62.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 5.48
13 60.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 39.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.5
14 87.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.53
15 87.9% Turks (Behar) + 12.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.56
16 85.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 5.57
17 89.8% Turks (Behar) + 10.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.59
18 88.8% Turks (Behar) + 11.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.59
19 88.3% Turks (Behar) + 11.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 5.69
20 82.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.1% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.75

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.32
2 East_Med 23.36
3 West_Med 8.25
4 Baltic 7.53
5 North_Atlantic 7.04
6 East_Asian 4.95
7 Siberian 4.83
8 South_Asian 3.81
9 Red_Sea 2.56
10 Sub-Saharan 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 7.87
2 Kumyk 8.23
3 Turkish 9.51
4 Kurdish 11.05
5 Balkar 11.09
6 Turkmen 11.67
7 Adygei 11.94
8 Kabardin 12.53
9 Iranian 12.93
10 Ossetian 13.1
11 North_Ossetian 13.5
12 Armenian 14.72
13 Georgian 14.93
14 Chechen 15.27
15 Lezgin 15.9
16 Georgian_Jewish 15.91
17 Abhkasian 16.6
18 Nogay 17.97
19 Tabassaran 18.04
20 Assyrian 18.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.3% Turkish + 45.7% Balkar @ 3.54
2 60% Azeri + 40% Balkar @ 3.57
3 55.2% Armenian + 44.8% Nogay @ 3.67
4 59.7% Turkish + 40.3% North_Ossetian @ 3.68
5 54.4% Kumyk + 45.6% Turkish @ 3.82
6 72.7% Balkar + 27.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.87
7 57.9% Turkish + 42.1% Kabardin @ 3.88
8 62.9% Kurdish + 37.1% Nogay @ 3.97
9 63.8% Azeri + 36.2% Kabardin @ 4.06
10 59.4% Turkish + 40.6% Ossetian @ 4.33
11 63.4% Turkish + 36.6% Chechen @ 4.36
12 56.8% Turkish + 43.2% Adygei @ 4.38
13 51.6% Azeri + 48.4% Kumyk @ 4.45
14 64.5% Turkish + 35.5% Lezgin @ 4.46
15 66.4% Azeri + 33.6% North_Ossetian @ 4.51
16 74.7% Balkar + 25.3% Palestinian @ 4.54
17 73.1% Azeri + 26.9% Nogay @ 4.56
18 68.9% Balkar + 31.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.57
19 70.3% Kabardin + 29.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.66
20 67.3% Balkar + 32.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.67

Eurogenes K36:

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 9.24 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.07 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian 3.33 Pct
East_Balkan 3.48 Pct
East_Central_Asian 1.39 Pct
East_Central_Euro 0.49 Pct
East_Med 5.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 0.75 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.8 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.04 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.41 Pct
North_Caucasian 22.88 Pct
North_Sea 2.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.54 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 12.55 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.24 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 8.75 Pct
West_Med 0.18 Pct

I have been told that MyHeritage DNA results are not very meaningful at all but I still would like to post them:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123522&d=1696192616

Boudin

10-15-2023, 08:20 PM

There's quite a few in this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210950-Any-Gypsy-Romani-GEDmatch-kit-numbers).

Croatian Legend

10-16-2023, 05:32 PM

Are there any Romani kit numbers that I can compare my kit to theirs? The reason of such a purpose is: there is a family history which indicates my paternal great-grandfather was of Romani origin. I am not really into anthropology nor I have enough knowledge about it but as far as I know, Romani people have certain facial features and I can see those features both on my father and my paternal grandfather.

You can also see my Dodecad K12, Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K36 results below.

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.33
2 Gedrosia 20.1
3 North_European 11.3
4 Atlantic_Med 9.94
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 East_Asian 6.37
7 Siberian 2.8
8 South_Asian 1.14
9 East_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 8.7
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.12
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 12.59
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 12.67
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.79
6 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 12.8
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 14.36
8 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.41
9 Iranians (Behar) 15.44
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 18.31
11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.39
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.47
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 18.57
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 18.93
15 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.15
16 Lebanese (Behar) 19.92
17 Lezgins (Behar) 19.92
18 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 20.38
19 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 20.58
20 Armenians (Behar) 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% Turks (Behar) + 24% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.16
2 59.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.3
3 72.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 27.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.37
4 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.8
5 85.5% Turks (Behar) + 14.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.79
6 83% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.06
7 85.2% Turks (Behar) + 14.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.39
8 85.5% Turks (Behar) + 14.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 5.43
9 82.9% Turks (Behar) + 17.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.47
10 85.7% Turks (Behar) + 14.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.47
11 86.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 13.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.47
12 62.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 37.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 5.48
13 60.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 39.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 5.5
14 87.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.53
15 87.9% Turks (Behar) + 12.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.56
16 85.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 5.57
17 89.8% Turks (Behar) + 10.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 5.59
18 88.8% Turks (Behar) + 11.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 5.59
19 88.3% Turks (Behar) + 11.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 5.69
20 82.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 17.1% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.75

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.32
2 East_Med 23.36
3 West_Med 8.25
4 Baltic 7.53
5 North_Atlantic 7.04
6 East_Asian 4.95
7 Siberian 4.83
8 South_Asian 3.81
9 Red_Sea 2.56
10 Sub-Saharan 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 7.87
2 Kumyk 8.23
3 Turkish 9.51
4 Kurdish 11.05
5 Balkar 11.09
6 Turkmen 11.67
7 Adygei 11.94
8 Kabardin 12.53
9 Iranian 12.93
10 Ossetian 13.1
11 North_Ossetian 13.5
12 Armenian 14.72
13 Georgian 14.93
14 Chechen 15.27
15 Lezgin 15.9
16 Georgian_Jewish 15.91
17 Abhkasian 16.6
18 Nogay 17.97
19 Tabassaran 18.04
20 Assyrian 18.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.3% Turkish + 45.7% Balkar @ 3.54
2 60% Azeri + 40% Balkar @ 3.57
3 55.2% Armenian + 44.8% Nogay @ 3.67
4 59.7% Turkish + 40.3% North_Ossetian @ 3.68
5 54.4% Kumyk + 45.6% Turkish @ 3.82
6 72.7% Balkar + 27.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.87
7 57.9% Turkish + 42.1% Kabardin @ 3.88
8 62.9% Kurdish + 37.1% Nogay @ 3.97
9 63.8% Azeri + 36.2% Kabardin @ 4.06
10 59.4% Turkish + 40.6% Ossetian @ 4.33
11 63.4% Turkish + 36.6% Chechen @ 4.36
12 56.8% Turkish + 43.2% Adygei @ 4.38
13 51.6% Azeri + 48.4% Kumyk @ 4.45
14 64.5% Turkish + 35.5% Lezgin @ 4.46
15 66.4% Azeri + 33.6% North_Ossetian @ 4.51
16 74.7% Balkar + 25.3% Palestinian @ 4.54
17 73.1% Azeri + 26.9% Nogay @ 4.56
18 68.9% Balkar + 31.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.57
19 70.3% Kabardin + 29.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.66
20 67.3% Balkar + 32.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.67

Eurogenes K36:

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 9.24 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.07 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian 3.33 Pct
East_Balkan 3.48 Pct
East_Central_Asian 1.39 Pct
East_Central_Euro 0.49 Pct
East_Med 5.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 0.75 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.8 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.04 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.41 Pct
North_Caucasian 22.88 Pct
North_Sea 2.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.54 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 12.55 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.24 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 8.75 Pct
West_Med 0.18 Pct

I have been told that MyHeritage DNA results are not very meaningful at all but I still would like to post them:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=123522&d=1696192616

The thing with South Asian doesn't automatically equate that you have romani ancestry. There are even full Scandinavians or Germans that have 5 to 7points. And have no mixed background.
The question is rather what those south asian genes stand for. Could be Saka or some other steppe related tribe.
And another thing is, don't take Gedmatch serious. If you really wanna know then go and do a whole genome sequencing!

Of course if you are certain that you might have Romani ancestry then you know.

But looking at your south asian score it is low 3 to 5 points doesn't indicate romani.

Leto

10-16-2023, 05:45 PM

You are likely not Romani at all or it might be extremely diluted, like 4-5 generations away.