The Punisher is R1b!

[Abti]

Well, the actor Jon Bernthal is R-DF27. Designated at the Jewish subclade of R-Z2559 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC46544/) R-FGC46544.

Personally I thought he would be more of a Q1b subclade because of what I thought was his pseudo-Native appearance.

Source: Jewish R1b, surname Berenthal.

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[Gaoyuan]

His head is itchy

[kingmob]

There's only one Punisher, the rest are impostors.


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[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"Jewish R1b" is basically juxtaposing concepts with opposite meanings. His paternal lineage is of Indo-European origin.

[black hole]

It cracks me up, whenever I see his prominent ears.

[Touijer]

He does look Spanish but that shows you that modern Jews barely have semitic J as a haplogroup anymore

[Abti]

He does look Spanish but that shows you that modern Jews barely have semitic J as a haplogroup anymore

Jews have more R1* or just as much in frequency as J*. R1b alone is 50% higher than J1 and J2 alone. I certainly do not believe in the propaganda of "frequency of R1b is the same as those in Middle East countries" Yeah, bullshit. And I was born yesterday. Most of these agenda ridden nonsense are conducted by Israelis. Which is a serious red flag.


FTDNA's West-Ukraine Jewish about 310 grouped R1b out of the 1215 in the group. With an occurence of R1b at 25.5%, but also finding J* at 31.1% with 17.7% for J2 (215/1215), 13.4%(162/1215) for J1. Total R* being 37.8% (456/1215).


Genebase found a occurrence of R1b totalling at ~31% in Ashkenazi Jews with a total of R* at 38, while finding 38% in J, if it is believed that J2 and J1 were equal in measure they'd both be around 50% lower than R1b.


Iranian and Iraqi Jews showcase frequencies of R1a1a at 35-40%, R1b neglible at around 5-10%. total R* at 40-50% in Mesopotamian Mizrahi.

https://i.imgur.com/9CvNXwj.jpg

[Abaddon]

He does look Spanish but that shows you that modern Jews barely have semitic J as a haplogroup anymore

Since when spaniards look like latinos?

[Abti]

"Jewish R1b" is basically juxtaposing concepts with opposite meanings. His paternal lineage is of Indo-European origin.

I’m sorry I don’t know what you’re on about. Ever heard of African R1b? There are R1b that do happen to be exclusively Jewish pre-expulsion and contemporary clades. For instance, the Shapiro R-FGC14608 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y11410/) modal clade. R1b-L23 is Indo-European, and Jewish genesis post-dates Hittite and Mitanni incursion into the Levant. Ben Shapiro is an Indo-European invader.

[kingmob]

I’m sorry I don’t know what you’re on about. Ever heard of African R1b? There are R1b that do happen to be exclusively Jewish pre-expulsion and contemporary clades. For instance, the Shapiro R-FGC14608 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y11410/) modal clade. R1b-L23 is Indo-European, and Jewish genesis post-dates Hittite and Mitanni incursion into the Levant. Ben Shapiro is an Indo-European invader.


African R1b is V88 nothing to do with M269 and Steppe.

Jewish R1b is almost entirely downstream of Z2103>R-M12149>L584, which is the Yamnaya-Caucasus route, the eventual Proto-Armenic speakers.

Those R1b Jews' ancestors spoke Armenic in the BA.

[Power77]

African R1b is V88 nothing to do with M269 and Steppe.

I wouldn't that say V88 has "nothing to do with M269 and the Steppe".

[kingmob]

I wouldn't that say V88 has "nothing to do with M269 and the Steppe".

Oh, is that right.

Can you reference 1 steppe sample with v88 or upstream of it.

[Power77]

Oh, is that right.

Can you reference 1 steppe sample with v88 or upstream of it.

It's still R1b, isn't it? Chadic-speaking Africans got it relatively recently from Eurasians. Deal with it!

[kingmob]

It's still R1b, isn't it? Chadic-speaking Africans got it relatively recently from Eurasians. Deal with it!


Deal with what.

R1b-V88 upstream V2219 split from L754 15K years before present.. It's completely irrelevant to the Steppe m269, just some random HG lineage.

You are just a clueless buffoon.

[Power77]

Deal with what.

R1b-V88 upstream V2219 split from L754 15K years before present.. It's completely irrelevant to the Steppe m269, just some random HG lineage.

You are just a clueless buffoon.

I don't buy the timing. You're a clueless Evolutionist!

[Miko]

Jewish R1b is almost entirely downstream of Z2103>R-M12149>L584, which is the Yamnaya-Caucasus route, the eventual Proto-Armenic speakers.


I bet most Jewish R1b is the Greek/Turkish/Caucasian branch.
And they must have been Oriental since Roman times

[Abti]

@Miko There are also Pre-L23 clades in there as well. It’s pretty clear they’d be apart of the Jewish ethnogenesis. You don’t find it one but mostly ALL Jews. With their TMRCA way before conversion was even possible. R2-M124 is def Jewish, so is R1a-M198, some R1b-L23 and Pre-L23.

[Power77]

@Miko


There are also Pre-L23 clades in there as well. It’s pretty clear they’d be apart of the Jewish ethnogenesis. You don’t find it one but mostly ALL Jews. With their TMRCA way before conversion was even possible. R2-M124 is def Jewish, so is R1a-M198, some R1b-L23 and Pre-L23.

Sounds like Persian or Hittite input to me. They probably picked up those lineages between the Babylonian Exile and the Persian Era. One thing is certain though: R2, R1b-L23, and even R1a-Z93 are all less authentically Jewish than J1 and J2.

[Abti]

Sounds like Persian or Hittite input to me. They probably picked up those lineages between the Babylonian Exile and the Persian Era. One thing is certain though: R2, R1b-L23, and even R1a-Z93 are all less authentically Jewish than J1 and J2.

Haven’t you ever thought that maybe these clades aren’t recent converts? Just maybe? R-CTS6 able to be found in Kurds is also able to be found in Western Jews dude. There was a discussion on AG about supposed origins of some J-M172 clades most would be Mesopotamian or Anatolian in origin surprisingly. Talking about J-M92, J-L25, & J-M319 clades the latter clade of J-M319 seems almost Minoa-Mycenae influenced. A user there claimed he had an Roman converted lineage of the J-M172 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y33795/) clade. Most J1-M267 clades on the other hand seems to be mostly Canaanite in origin, that has been granted at least. And plus, I’ve posted frequencies of high R1-M173 stats for Jews of 3 diasporas so I don’t know what that means in this context.

[kingmob]

I bet most Jewish R1b is the Greek/Turkish/Caucasian branch.
And they must have been Oriental since Roman times

That's what I've said.

[Power77]

Haven’t you ever thought that maybe these clades aren’t recent converts? Just maybe? R-CTS6 able to be found in Kurds is also able to be found in Western Jews dude. There was a discussion on AG about supposed origins of some J-M172 clades most would be Mesopotamian or Anatolian in origin surprisingly. Talking about J-M92, J-L25, & J-M319 clades the latter clade of J-M319 seems almost Minoa-Mycenae influenced. A user there claimed he had an Roman converted lineage of the J-M172 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y33795/) clade. Most J1-M267 clades on the other hand seems to be mostly Canaanite in origin, that has been granted at least. And plus, I’ve posted frequencies of high R1-M173 stats for Jews of 3 diasporas so I don’t know what that means in this context.

Firstly, Kurds are Indo-Iranians. Which means that their high frequencies of R1a-Z93 are perfectly comprehensible and expectable. Secondly, Sephardic Jews (whom are considered Western Jews) have negligible frequencies of R1a-Z93. Which led some experts to think that they actually got R1a-Z93 from Ashkenazi merchants during the Middle Ages. Thirdly, regarding J2 among "Mino-Myceneans" and J1 among "Canaanites" (are you referring to the Sidonian study here (https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-canaanite-lebanese-genetics-20170727-story.html)?), haven't you ever thought that maybe the two aforementioned ancient populations got J from Jews rather than the other way around? I mean, aren't the Danites said to be connected to the Greco-Mycenean Danoi? Didn't the Asherites occupy Tyre and Sidon for centuries? Last but not least, your stats are either BS or affected by sampling bias. As I've never come across any other peer-reviewed studies which said that any Jewish community (regardless of geographical origin) possesses such high frequencies of R1.

[Abti]

Firstly, Kurds are Indo-Iranians. Which means that their high frequencies of R1a-Z93 are perfectly comprehensible and expectable. Secondly, Sephardic Jews (whom are considered Western Jews) have negligible frequencies of R1a-Z93. Which led some experts to think that they actually got R1a-Z93 from Ashkenazi merchants during the Middle Ages. Thirdly, regarding J2 among "Mino-Myceneans" and J1 among "Canaanites" (are you referring to the Sidonian study here (https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-canaanite-lebanese-genetics-20170727-story.html)?), haven't you ever thought that maybe the two aforementioned ancient populations got J from Jews rather than the other way around? I mean, aren't the Danites said to be connected to the Greco-Mycenean Danoi? Didn't the Asherites occupy Tyre and Sidon for centuries? Last but not least, your stats are either BS or affected by sampling bias. As I've never come across any other peer-reviewed studies which said that any Jewish community (regardless of geographical origin) possesses such high frequencies of R1.

You don’t understand anything, Israeli.

[tk'es]

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[Abti]

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Sick.