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Oasis
10-19-2023, 08:23 PM
It has long been known that yDNA O1b2-P49 in general shares some at least 31108-year-old DNA sequences (O1b2-P49 originated 31108 years ago), e.g. "tg…aggacagtaagtacaca", etc, with a Western Eurasian haplogroup Q-M242 (a haplogroup maximized in Native Americans), but also simultaneously with African yDNA A and African yDNA B.

It is known from the previous review of achievements in the field of ancient DNA by Qiaomei Fu and Melinda A. Yang (year 2018) that the Native American ancestry was placed (as an approximation) on the territory of Japan, where a branch of O1b2-P49, such as O1b2-47z, was found. The second branch is the Korean O1b2-L682.

The most detailed admixture model is present in “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years”. There are 4 Japanese samples belonging to O1b2-47z (which is maximized in the Japanese), and 2 Japanese samples belonging to O1b2-L682 (which is maximized in the Koreans) there.

In “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years”, the only Native American ancestry shared by all 6 Japanese-related O1b2 samples is the ancestry maximized in the 100% mtDNA D1 Surui Native Americans , who have 4% admixture from (56% Papuan + 44% Tianyuan) population (according to "40,000-Year-Old Individual from Asia Provides Insight into Early Population Structure in Eurasia"), where Papuan is connected to “Southeast Asian branch of yDNA C1b, that is, Australasian C1b” and mtDNA M42’74 (interestingly, the “Southeast Asian” ancestry, which separated prior to Jomon was recently discovered in Siberia) and Tianyuan is connected to mtDNA R-T16189C, which was also reported from Africa. Moreover, the Surui Native American component found in Japanese-related O1b2-47z samples and O1b2-L682 samples appears to be defining for the Northeast Asian ancestry, that is, Northeast Asian ancestry is formed as a mixture of East Asian and the “Siberian” ancestry which split from Native American Surui. The (56% Papuan + 44% Tianyuan) can also be a proof that the ancestry maximized in Surui was related specifically to yDNA O1b2-P49, but not to any other male haplogroup, since Papuans can harbour ancestry related to yDNA A and yDNA B populations, while Tianyuan (yDNA K2b) can also denote the Q-M242-related ancestry or yDNA P-related (for example, in David Reich’s Dzudzuana article K2b Tianyuan appeared to be interchangeably used to model 4% of male DNA of yDNA R-M207 of Malta1, another suitable sample to model yDNA R-M207 of Malta1 being Kostenki14). Thus, it is only yDNA O1b2-P49 that had connections simultaneously to African yDNA A and African yDNA B and to yDNA Q-M242; therefore, it is only yDNA O1b2-P49 which can be reliably connected to Northeast Asian (“Siberian”) ancestry “separating” from Surui Native Americans, and the early back migration of O1b2-P49 in Late Paleolithic to mainland China was bringing Northeast Asian (“Siberian”) ancestry “separating” from Surui Native Americans to China as the Second Layer population. However, the scope of this migration is exaggerated by the advertised on the Internet Japanese-American author Hirofumi Matsumura. Such specimens as Qihe3 from the coastal zone of East China yielded very little such Northeast Asian ancestry, which is consistent with the rarity of distribution of yDNA O1b2-P49 in China.

P.S. The described story of yDNA O1b2-P49 (observed in both Japanese and Koreans) is different from the story of mtDNA M7a specific to Japan and Japan Jomon. Ancient more than 20000-year-old mtDNA M7a was reported from the Ryukyu Islands. "Human population history at the crossroads of East and Southeast Asia since 11,000 years ago" points to a sample from ancient Taiwan as a sample which shares some DNA specifically with Japanese mtDNA M7a-related individuals, thus, the initial population directly ancestral to M7a died out in the mainland China in the Paleolithic. “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” points that Japanese mtDNA M7a-related sample acquire on certain conditions their own genetic connection to Uto-Aztecan-related Pima individuals, but not to Southern Native Americans. Thus, in order to comply with the findings of “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” and "Human population history at the crossroads of East and Southeast Asia since 11,000 years ago", it is possible that mtDNA M7a bearers migrated “out of Taiwan” in the Early Upper Paleolithic, reached the Ryukyus and other Japanese Islands, where the population of mtDNA M7a bearers multiplied, and there was migration from the Japanese Archipelago to Korea, and, from Korea, mtDNA M7a-related ancestry only managed to reach ancestors of Northern Native Americans who still remained in Asia. Uto-Aztecan languages clustered with the Japanese language in Gerhard Jager’s work of year 2017; however, the M7a population influence might not have been the only reason for this. In other respect, Uto-Aztecan languages are not particularly close to the Japanese language. Thus, the migration of mtDNA M7a bearers better resembles the migration “Out of Japan” described in the Kojiki. In accordance with the Chinese materials, there should have been one more migration (Neolithic migration) of mtDNA M7a bearers out of Japan, which led to the appearance of such branches of M7a as M7a1a7. It is not impossible that Japonic languages prevailed in the coastal areas of Korea where there was migration of mtDNA M7a bearers, while in the inland areas of Korea, Koreanic languages were spoken by O1b2-L682 bearers. The Neolithic migration of mtDNA M7a bearers might be partially contemporaneous with the Zuojiashan/Hongshan-related migration in the direction of the Lingjiatan culture whose influence was later found in the rice farming Lower Yangtze Liangzhu culture. This should explain the having been observed similarities between the mythology of Zuojiashan/Hongshan-related populations and the mythology of rice-farming groups migrating to Japan, expressed in the Kojiki.

Oasis
11-17-2023, 06:55 PM
Recently the “Japanese Wikipedia” editor Ebizur proposed that his personal Japano-Koreanic yDNA O1b2, which is hardly present in China today, occupied the central position in the Middle Yangtze River basin in the center of China. Was his alledged population assimilated by Han Chinese, almost not leaving a trace in the Yangtze River basin?


His proposal is even more unrealistic than the hypothesis of some Japanese scientists who place the whole 31108-year-old O1b2 branch into the Lower Yangtze River basin just before 3000 years ago, ignoring the ancient DNA and the fact that O1b2 is virtually absent there today, and the 31108-year-old O1b2 branch cannot migrate at once with all of its subbranches to one territory.

This is how the distribution of O1b2 looks like (“High frequencies of Y-chromosome haplogroup O2b-SRY465 lineages in Korea: a genetic perspective on the peopling of Korea” by Soon-Hee Kim from Seoul National University):

https://i.ibb.co/DwQt5bt/46.png
In China, almost only the youngest branches of O1b2 are distributed, but even their distribution is quite scarce. This is why there exists a theory of O1b2 leaving the territory of China for Korea and Japan, and the connection of the gene pool of O1b2, which separated ca.30000 years ago, with the East Asian-like component in Native Americans, and later back migration of some O1b2* to China as “the second layer population”. The appearance of young lineages, such as O1b2-47z or Korean O1b2-L682, was even younger in China. Of these two lineages, O1b2-47z interacted with Austronesians and Transeurasian-related Xinglongwa-related populations via the Neolithic Beiqian settlement.

Moreover, the studies of ancient DNA of Lower Yangtze rice farmers are proceding. mtDNA F1a1’4 was found in Lower Yangtze rice farming Majiabang culture. It is very rare in Japan (1,67% in the Japanese, 0% in Japonic speaking Rykyuans according to Tanaka et al, 2004). Nonetheless, it did not stop Ebizur from claiming that mtDNA F1a1’4 is a personal lineage, whose differentiation coinsided with the differentiation of O1b2 branch, parental to Ebizur’s O1b2-47z. This is how the distribution of mtDNA F1a1’4 actually looks like on the Yfull site:


https://i.ibb.co/ThNqmM9/45.jpg



Most importantly, Ebizur suggested that his Japano-Koreanic O1b2 population alledgedly formed the substratum of the whole language of the Han Chinese ancestors!

This is what we actually see:




It has long been known that yDNA O1b2-P49 in general shares some at least 31108-year-old DNA sequences (O1b2-P49 originated 31108 years ago), e.g. "tg…aggacagtaagtacaca", etc, with a Western Eurasian haplogroup Q-M242 (a haplogroup maximized in Native Americans), but also simultaneously with African yDNA A and African yDNA B.

It is known from the previous review of achievements in the field of ancient DNA by Qiaomei Fu and Melinda A. Yang (year 2018) that the Native American ancestry was placed (as an approximation) on the territory of Japan, where a branch of O1b2-P49, such as O1b2-47z, was found. The second branch is the Korean O1b2-L682.

The most detailed admixture model is present in “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years”. There are 4 Japanese samples belonging to O1b2-47z (which is maximized in the Japanese), and 2 Japanese samples belonging to O1b2-L682 (which is maximized in the Koreans) there.

In “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years”, the only Native American ancestry shared by all 6 Japanese-related O1b2 samples is the ancestry maximized in the 100% mtDNA D1 Surui Native Americans , who have 4% admixture from (56% Papuan + 44% Tianyuan) population (according to "40,000-Year-Old Individual from Asia Provides Insight into Early Population Structure in Eurasia"), where Papuan is connected to “Southeast Asian branch of yDNA C1b, that is, Australasian C1b” and mtDNA M42’74 (interestingly, the “Southeast Asian” ancestry, which separated prior to Jomon was recently discovered in Siberia) and Tianyuan is connected to mtDNA R-T16189C, which was also reported from Africa. Moreover, the Surui Native American component found in Japanese-related O1b2-47z samples and O1b2-L682 samples appears to be defining for the Northeast Asian ancestry, that is, Northeast Asian ancestry is formed as a mixture of East Asian and the “Siberian” ancestry which split from Native American Surui. The (56% Papuan + 44% Tianyuan) can also be a proof that the ancestry maximized in Surui was related specifically to yDNA O1b2-P49, but not to any other male haplogroup, since Papuans can harbour ancestry related to yDNA A and yDNA B populations, while Tianyuan (yDNA K2b) can also denote the Q-M242-related ancestry or yDNA P-related (for example, in David Reich’s Dzudzuana article K2b Tianyuan appeared to be interchangeably used to model 4% of male DNA of yDNA R-M207 of Malta1, another suitable sample to model yDNA R-M207 of Malta1 being Kostenki14). Thus, it is only yDNA O1b2-P49 that had connections simultaneously to African yDNA A and African yDNA B and to yDNA Q-M242; therefore, it is only yDNA O1b2-P49 which can be reliably connected to Northeast Asian (“Siberian”) ancestry “separating” from Surui Native Americans, and the early back migration of O1b2-P49 in Late Paleolithic to mainland China was bringing Northeast Asian (“Siberian”) ancestry “separating” from Surui Native Americans to China as the Second Layer population. However, the scope of this migration is exaggerated by the advertised on the Internet Japanese-American author Hirofumi Matsumura. Such specimens as Qihe3 from the coastal zone of East China yielded very little such Northeast Asian ancestry, which is consistent with the rarity of distribution of yDNA O1b2-P49 in China.


https://i.ibb.co/DwQt5bt/46.png



In Malayo-Polynesian Indonesians, there is O1b2(x47z). Interestingly, in Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017, Austronesian Taiwanese languages (including Thao) and Malayo-Polynesian languages as a whole clustered with Native American Misumalpan languages, namely, CACAOPERA and MOSQUITO (MISKITO) languages.

The suggested Misumalpan language family of Native America include:

[1] the Cacaopera and Matagalpa languages;
[2] Mosquito languages (Miskito languages);
[3] Sumo languages.

It is not impossible that some O1b2(x47z) preserved the acquired nature of their languages stemming from the early contact with Native American languages since 30000 years ago, and these O1b2(x47z) were not assimilated by the Transeurasian-related Xinglongwa culture and contacted the above mentioned Austronesians after the backmigration of some of O1b2 to the territory of China.


Moreover, in the same Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017, the described Native American Surui language (the Native American Surui people has the described (56% Tianyuan + 44% Papuan) connection shared with 30000-year-old yDNA O1b2) clustered with the Ainu language from the Japanese Archipelago and with Sino-Tibetan and Hmong-Mien languages. It means that some “second layer population” O1b2*, having acquired Surui-like linguistic properties, influenced both the ancestors of Ainu and the ancestors of Sino-Tibetans and Hmong-Mien, after O1b2* had backmigrated to China as “the second layer population” during the Late Palaeolithic. Possibly, the O1b2* Late Palaeolithic Surui-like Ainu-like adstratum is what Ebizur is taking for the O1b2* substratum in Sino-Tibetan languages.
Fortunately, “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” shows O1b2 members how it was possible to preserve at least some Para-Austroasiatic essence during the period of interaction with ancestors of Native Americans. mtDNA M7a-related population in “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” influenced the formation of the Native American Uto-Aztecan component (contributing to the formation of some ancestors of Northern Native Americans, still residing in Asia), while at least some Uto-Aztecan languages preserved isolating grammar, also characteristic of Austroasiatic languages. It is not impossible, that the preservation of such a feature in M7a populations’ languages was caused by migration of Austroasiatic-related O1b1-related populations to the Japanese Archipelago via the Ryukyu islands during the Palaeolithic, which is also taken into account in "Human population history at the crossroads of East and Southeast Asia since 11,000 years ago" and “The deep population history of northern East Asia from the Late Pleistocene to the Holocene”.

However, Uto-Aztecan languages cluster as an outgroup for Sino-Tibetan-Hmong-Mien-Tai-Kadai-Austroasiatic-Austronesian macrocluster of languages in the same Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017. Conssequently, it is impossible to say that there was any M7a populations’ languages influence onto solely Sino-Tibetan languages. It is more likely that clustering together of Uto-Aztecan languages and Sino-Tibetan-Hmong-Mien-Tai-Kadai-Austroasiatic-Austronesian macrocluster of languages in the same Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017 was caused by common East Asian-related ancestors of Uto-Aztecans and members of Sino-Tibetan-Hmong-Mien-Tai-Kadai-Austroasiatic-Austronesian macrocluster of languages in the same Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017.


The joint Japano-Koreanic nature of younger modern yDNA O1b2 branches, shared by both Japanese and Koreans, is similarly supported by the same Gerhard Jager’s linguistic work of 2017, where languages of O1b2-rich Korean and Japanese populations together cluster with the same set of Native American languages.


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UPDATE:


Regarding members of the clan who self-identify as Jeonju Yi (全州李氏) and who belong to Y-DNA haplogroup O2a2b1a2a-F444, they have now been resolved more precisely as belonging to O-MF655879:

O-F444 (TMRCA 15320 ybp according to 23mofang)
*O-F743 (TMRCA 12920 ybp)
**O-CTS8481 (TMRCA 10220 ybp)
***O-CTS4325 (TMRCA 8850 ybp)
****O-L886 (TMRCA 7810 ybp)
*****O-A16625 (TMRCA 7340 ybp)
******O-CTS682 (TMRCA 1710 ybp)
*******O-MF655879 (TMRCA 1570 ybp)

The nearest outgroup, O-CTS682(xMF655879) or O-BY161237 (TMRCA 1710 ybp), has been found in Japan in at least one individual from Tokyo (NA19083 of the JPT sample) and at least one commercially-tested individual from Kanagawa (immediately southwest of Tokyo, encompassing cities such as Kawasaki and Yokohama).


Ebizur, Ebizur, you are writing your text in parallel with me in order to fit the description of the hypothesis by some Japanese scientists, which I have just mentioned.

It can be seen from another genetic service that Jeonju Yi family story does not neatly fit the description about Jeonju Yi alledged affiliation only to the Japanese from Tokyo and Kanagawa, which you are trying to create. Indeed, Jeonju Yi’s branch has several relatives from Korea, but not only those from Kanagawa and Tokyo in Japan. Thus, Jeonju Yi case cannot be used as a tracer dye of alledged migration to Japan by haplogroups, commercially and geopolitically useful for modern Japan, which you are trying to describe.


https://i.ibb.co/wMGdK2d/48.png

It is not surprising that Jeonju Yi family-related individuals proceded to Korea. Who, belonging to Neolithic Sinitic-related O2a2b1a2a-F444, would ever want to travel together with … O1b2-47z Nagabaka-related?! This is how “O1b2-47z Nagabaka”-related site artifacts looked like…

https://i.ibb.co/VCZWPxN/47.png