Are You Closer to Cree Native American or Algerian Berber?

[Grace O'Malley]

This would be interesting to see especially for South Americans who have Native American ancestry.



Cree,0.0756925,-0.1888885,0.0967315,0.0625005,-0.070321,-0.0097615,-0.1505245,-0.1773385,-0.0039885,-0.014943,0.0010555,-0.0019485,0.003791,0.0021335,-0.007668,0.00358,0.0076925,0.0022805,0.0035825,0.0 060655,-0.0053035,-0.0052555,0.006902,0.009459,-0.0002995
Berber_Algeria,-0.2936636,0.1051579,0.0019988,-0.0400681,0.0144488,-0.012341,-0.0366736,0.0210568,0.0269358,0.0215312,0.0057566,-0.0045259,0.021318,-0.0074316,0.0114277,-0.0088304,0.0031227,-0.011079,-0.023053,0.0049898,-0.0073621,-0.019636,0.0121769,-0.0003616,0.0026523

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

It's also interesting as Algerian Berbers are just across the Mediterranean so I would expect to be closer to them but some of these things are surprising. I'd say Eastern Europeans and Northern Europeans will be closer to Cree but interested to see what people get.

My result

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.42732467 Cree
0.45671776 Berber_Algeria

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 34.4168% / 0.34416838
54.2 Cree
45.8 Berber_Algeria

[Dušan]

Distance to: Dušan_scaled
0.42930020 Cree
0.43856583 Berber_Algeria

[noricum]

Indianer!
Servus.

Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.43276908 Cree
0.44631229 Berber_Algeria

[majevica]

Distance to: majevica_scaled
0.42532361 Cree
0.43760094 Berber_Algeria

[sarmsaksogan]

Distance to: sarmsaksogan_scaled(Kurdish)
0.40902467 Berber_Algeria
0.43642791 Cree

Target: sarmsaksogan_scaled(Kurdish)
Distance: 31.9142% / 0.31914153
53.8 Berber_Algeria
46.2 Cree

[DomitiusAurelian]

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 29.2565% / 0.29256476
50.8 Cree
49.2 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Domitius_scaled
0.39933726 Cree
0.40615091 Berber_Algeria

[nittionia]

Distance to: nittionia_scaled
0.41973714 Cree
0.44396818 Berber_Algeria

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 33.9835% / 0.33983512
54.4 Cree
45.6 Berber_Algeria

[Ugo]

The Cree Indians today have a Western European admixture. The Tlingit Indians have a Russian admixture.

Tlingit,0.08992,-0.127195,0.0967312,0.0625812,-0.0434695,-0.0011155,-0.0580478,-0.0698048,-0.0055732,-0.0266975,0.0079573,-0.0049085,0.0145315,-0.0025458,-0.0200188,-0.0046075,0.0031292,0.0045608,0.010527,0.0032202,0 .0047418,-0.014529,0.0046525,0.0077118,0.0157172

Distance to: Vjatych_scaled
0.27671720 Tlingit
0.40570784 Cree
0.46029796 Berber_Algeria

[Demirkazık]

Distance to: Mom_scaled
0.37204824 Cree
0.40118842 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Dad_scaled
0.38492541 Cree
0.39915362 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Demirkazık_scaled
0.37351537 Cree
0.40032483 Berber_Algeria

[ToySoldierEnthusiast]

Target: ToySoldier_scaled
Distance: 43.4734% / 0.43473374
84.0 Cree
16.0 Berber_Algeria


Distance to: Toy Soldier_scaled
0.44377125 Cree
0.63613954 Berber_Algeria

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.42846788 Cree
0.45124547 Berber_Algeria

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 34.1585% / 0.34158478
53.2 Cree
46.8 Berber_Algeria

[Petalpusher]

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 36.1329% / 0.36132938
51.2 Cree
48.8 Berber_Algeria


Distance to: Petalpusher
0.45701846 Cree
0.46033159 Berber_Algeria

Close between the two but actually the furthest away from both.

With Tlinglit

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.33692395 Tlingit
0.45701846 Cree
0.46033159 Berber_Algeria

I assume most Euro if not all, even deep down south, will be closer to Amerindians anyway because all Euros have ANE and very few have significant SSA, although Berbers have a lot of West Eurasian which counterbalances that to make it closer.

[Boudin]

Distance to: Boudin
0.42145938 Cree
0.44550083 Berber_Algeria

I don't believe Europeans are actually equidistant from the Cree and Berbers. I think G25 is just not suitable for this specific comparison.

[Rafael Passoni]

Distance to: me_scaled
0.42986941 Berber_Algeria
0.45064833 Cree

Target: me_scaled
Distance: 34.2150% / 0.34215012
53.0 Berber_Algeria
47.0 Cree

[alnortedelsur]

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.37443421 Berber_Algeria
0.38857563 Cree

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 26.2498% / 0.26249778
51.8 Berber_Algeria
48.2 Cree

I'm surprised I'm slightly closer to Berber Algerian than to Cree, being the case that I have some Amerindian admix.

[majevica]

Distance to: Boudin
0.42145938 Cree
0.44550083 Berber_Algeria

I don't believe Europeans are actually equidistant from the Cree and Berbers. I think G25 is just not suitable for this specific comparison.

I think this explains a lot

0.010 Berber_Algeria = 62% Fulani_Ziniare + 38% Algerian

0.025 Cree = 72% Amerindian_North + 28% German_Erlangen

[Melkiirs]

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 36.1329% / 0.36132938
51.2 Cree
48.8 Berber_Algeria


Distance to: Petalpusher
0.45701846 Cree
0.46033159 Berber_Algeria

Close between the two but actually the furthest away from both.

With Tlinglit

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.33692395 Tlingit
0.45701846 Cree
0.46033159 Berber_Algeria

I assume most Euro if not all, even deep down south, will be closer to Amerindians anyway because all Euros have ANE and very few have significant SSA, although Berbers have a lot of West Eurasian which counterbalances that to make it closer.

All Southern European G25 Modern averages are closer to Algerian Berbers if you exclude South Slavs/Romanians and French_Occitanie. French and the Balkans is where the transition occurs.

Here are some very close distances:

Distance to: Macedonian
0.43155270 Berber_Algeria
0.43278124 Cree

Distance to: Bulgarian
0.42712861 Cree
0.42981200 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: French_Occitanie
0.43623122 Cree
0.43634051 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Romanian
0.42603384 Cree
0.42999454 Berber_Algeria

[MandM]

Distance to: Milenko
0.42644256 Cree
0.43492141 Berber_Algeria


Target: Milenko
Distance: 32.9948% / 0.32994766
51.2 Cree
48.8 Berber_Algeria

[Gallop]

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.41422744 Berber_Algeria
0.43918941 Cree

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.40870999 Berber_Algeria
0.43945927 Cree

Distance to: brother_scaled
0.41000874 Berber_Algeria
0.44413102 Cree

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Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.32452205 Tlingit
0.41422744 Berber_Algeria
0.43918941 Cree

[Norrsken]

Target: Norrsken_scaled
Distance: 33.8967% / 0.33896750
54.0 Cree
46.0 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Norrsken_scaled
0.42372462 Cree
0.45217286 Berber_Algeria

[Kenshiro]

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 32.3236% / 0.32323580
52.2 Berber_Algeria
47.8 Cree
Distance to: Kenshiro_scaled
0.41772778 Berber_Algeria
0.43353631 Cree

[true_southron]

Target: true_southron_scaled
Distance: 33.0430% / 0.33042992
51.2 Berber_Algeria
48.8 Cree

Distance to: true_southron_scaled
0.42711786 Berber_Algeria
0.43497643 Cree

[Defcon2]

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 31.4798% / 0.31479847
54.2 Berber_Algeria
45.8 Cree

Distance to: Defcon2_scaled
0.40424267 Berber_Algeria
0.43479706 Cree

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.41025105 Berber_Algeria
0.43833489 Cree

[Jingle Bell]

Distance to: JB_scaled
0.10191674 Berber_Algeria
0.49335748 Cree

[Damião de Góis]

I assume most Euro if not all, even deep down south, will be closer to Amerindians anyway because all Euros have ANE and very few have significant SSA, although Berbers have a lot of West Eurasian which counterbalances that to make it closer.

No, Grace's threads are designed in a way so that northern europeans get one population and southern europeans get the other population. At one time people were creating so many of these kinds of threads, that patterns started to become noticeable.

[Kiel]

Distance to: Kiel_scaled
0.42942367 Cree
0.44007490 Berber_Algeria

Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 33.5216% / 0.33521573
51.6 Cree
48.4 Berber_Algeria

[Boudin]

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[Hulu]

Target: Hulu_scaled
Distance: 32.6740% / 0.32674027
53.2 Berber_Algeria
46.8 Cree

Distance to: Hulu_scaled
0.41697909 Berber_Algeria
0.43984691 Cree

[Petalpusher]

No, Grace's threads are designed in a way so that northern europeans get one population and southern europeans get the other population. At one time people were creating so many of these kinds of threads, that patterns started to become noticeable.

I think Majeca's post explains it. This Berber Algeria is the one with +40% SSA which is definetly nowhere close to the average North African, and Cree Amerindian is mixed with euro.

Even being barely closer to Berber than Cree is surprising considering how much eastern Eurasian Amerindians are but then this so called NA is also almost mulatto.

[Hulu]

I think this explains a lot

0.010 Berber_Algeria = 62% Fulani_Ziniare + 38% Algerian

0.025 Cree = 72% Amerindian_North + 28% German_Erlangen

Can we get coords for the Amerindian North separately?

[Melkiirs]

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Why?

[Hulu]

I think Majeca's post explains it. This Berber Algeria is the one with +40% SSA which is definetly nowhere close to the average North African, and Cree Amerindian is mixed with euro.

Even being barely closer to Berber than Cree is surprising considering how much eastern Eurasian Amerindians are but then this so called NA is also almost mulatto.

Why even it call it Berber?

[majevica]

Can we get coords for the Amerindian North separately?


Amerindian_North,0.05292775,-0.328016,0.11200475,0.07743925,-0.10617375,-0.01840675,-0.19834875,-0.23479775,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.00828175,-0.00340975,0.0063925,0.00006875,-0.01513275,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.00326225,0.0115015,0.00734725,0.003868 25,-0.01075775,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805


0.016 Amerindian_North = 70% Zapotec + 30% Itelmen

[Petalpusher]

Why even it call it Berber?

Some are like that, Berber is just a collection of languages from widely different ethnic tribes. Algeria and Morocco anyway are completely artificial creations from groups that had little in common and scattered down even to Mali and Niger, then to the northern coasts. It's just not the average Berber or NA who mostly live in the north, this sample is about 1/3 Algerian + 2/3 Fulani.

[majevica]

Some are like that, Berber is just a collection of languages from widely different ethnic tribes. Algeria and Morocco anyway are completely artificial creations from groups that had little in common and scattered down even to Mali and Niger, then to the northern coasts. It's just not the average Berber or NA who mostly live in the north, this sample is about 1/3 Algerian + 2/3 Fulani.

Probably Tuareg

[Gergő Marosvári]

Distance to: Gergő
0.41304499 Cree
0.43771722 Berber_Algeria

Target: Gergő
Distance: 32.2716% / 0.32271630
53.4 Cree
46.6 Berber_Algeria

[Orib]

Target: S_Z_scaled
Distance: 33.0345% / 0.33034511
51.8 Berber_Algeria
48.2 Cree

[Ahmet]

Distance to: Ahmet_scaled
0.42051642 Berber_Algeria
0.42052309 Cree

Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 31.6608% / 0.31660843
50.0 Berber_Algeria
50.0 Cree

[Aila]

Distance to: Aila_scaled
0.38372221 Cree
0.45592513 Berber_Algeria

Target: Aila_scaled
Distance: 31.2986% / 0.31298646
59.8 Cree
40.2 Berber_Algeria


Distance to: Aila_scaled
0.24890719 Tlingit
0.38372221 Cree
0.45592513 Berber_Algeria

Target: Aila_scaled
Distance: 22.9935% / 0.22993484
80.6 Tlingit
19.4 Berber_Algeria

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Distance to: Saami_Kola
0.33726976 Cree
0.45685664 Berber_Algeria

Target: Saami_Kola
Distance: 27.7992% / 0.27799234
65.4 Cree
34.6 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Saami_Kola
0.19160231 Tlingit
0.33726976 Cree
0.45685664 Berber_Algeria

Target: Saami_Kola
Distance: 17.8887% / 0.17888737
86.0 Tlingit
14.0 Berber_Algeria

[Eurafricanid]

I feel like this was made as a trap for south euros.

Distance to: Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.43166234 Berber_Algeria
0.43991523 Cree

Distance to: Swiss_Italian
0.42484745 Berber_Algeria
0.43518162 Cree


Distance to: Swiss_French
0.43509637 Berber_Algeria
0.43657613 Cree


Distance to: French_Auvergne
0.43391677 Berber_Algeria
0.43543289 Cree



Target: Cree
Distance: 2.1089% / 0.02108855
54.0 Amerindian_Hunter-Gatherer
12.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
11.4 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
9.4 North_Asian
8.2 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 East_Asian
0.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian


Target: Berber_Algeria
Distance: 1.3660% / 0.01365989
47.0 Sub_Saharan_African
18.0 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
16.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
10.6 Levantine_Neolithic_Farmer
4.6 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
2.8 Israel_Natufian
1.0 Iranian_Chalcolithic

[Eurafricanid]

Berber_Algeria is my brotha, lol

Target: Berber_Algeria
Distance: 1.3660% / 0.01365989
47.0 Sub_Saharan_African
18.0 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
16.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
10.6 Levantine_Neolithic_Farmer
4.6 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
2.8 Israel_Natufian
1.0 Iranian_Chalcolithic


Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.7021% / 0.01702072
46.8 Sub_Saharan_African
28.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
14.0 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
6.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Amerindian_Hunter-Gatherer
1.0 Iranian_Chalcolithic
0.8 Israel_Natufian
0.4 Morocco_Iberomaurusian

[Grace O'Malley]

I feel like this was made as a trap for south euros.

Distance to: Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.43166234 Berber_Algeria
0.43991523 Cree

Distance to: Swiss_Italian
0.42484745 Berber_Algeria
0.43518162 Cree


Distance to: Swiss_French
0.43509637 Berber_Algeria
0.43657613 Cree


Distance to: French_Auvergne
0.43391677 Berber_Algeria
0.43543289 Cree



Target: Cree
Distance: 2.1089% / 0.02108855
54.0 Amerindian_Hunter-Gatherer
12.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
11.4 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
9.4 North_Asian
8.2 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 East_Asian
0.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian


Target: Berber_Algeria
Distance: 1.3660% / 0.01365989
47.0 Sub_Saharan_African
18.0 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
16.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
10.6 Levantine_Neolithic_Farmer
4.6 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
2.8 Israel_Natufian
1.0 Iranian_Chalcolithic

Why would you feel like that? Explain? That was not even in my mind when I looked at this.

I thought the majority of Europeans would be closer to Berber and very distant to Native American so when I looked at it I was surprised that this wasn't the case.

Also I would think East Europeans would be closer to Cree.

The reason why I find these topics interesting is that on G25 Irish are closer to Pashtun than Berbers. Absolutely nothing to do with South Europeans. You're interested in Spanish genetics which is understandable as you have that ancestry. My main point of interest is Irish genetics. You might be the one who is focussed on Southern Europeans but my main focus is the Irish which I've always made clear on here.

Why would it be desirable to be closer to Cree than Berbers? :confused: You are what you are and in the end you have to be comfortable in your own skin.

My only issues as far as these topics goes is people saying erroneous things about populations especially Irish when it is not factual. I sometimes correct people on other populations as well but sometimes I feel I should pick my battles. :)

So why would this calc have anything to do with something that is more related to your own way of thinking? :)

What I would like is for people to ask people instead of projecting their own issues on someone else. Not saying you are doing that but I've had enough of people on here accusing me of things which they have issues with themselves. It's projection. I've always been very open on these topics.

I think all Europeans are closer to Pashtun than Berbers. So in the scheme of things Berbers aren't very close.

[J. Ketch]

Why would it be desirable to be closer to Cree than Berbers? :confused:
Come on Grace, don't play dumb. You know North American Indians are somewhat romanticised and considered a noble savage, while North Africans are villified (not without reason) as inbred Muslim sandniggers, at least on here.

Although personally I have no interest in being closer to either, or any non-European group.

[ecptr]

North Africans are villified (not without reason) as inbred Muslim sandniggers, at least on here.

They won't become any less disgusting if they ditch Islam tomorrow. It's ultimately about people and not the religion.

[Grace O'Malley]

Come on Grace, don't play dumb. You know North American Indians are somewhat romanticised and considered a noble savage, while North Africans are villified (not without reason) as inbred Muslim sandniggers, at least on here.

Although personally I have no interest in being closer to either, or any non-European group.

I'm not playing dumb. If you look at anything about "real" Native Americans they are very marginalised in the US. Also Berbers are not as vilified as you say there are some interesting youtube videos on them. I personally don't have any particular craving to be closer to Pashtuns for example than Berbers. They are both remote to me but I do find it interesting to see what populations you are closer to even if the connections are very distant and obscure.

Both myself and daughter get Native American on Gedmatch calculators but that is obviously due to misread ANE which is the obvious conclusion to make. I think people in the US want to have Native American as it makes them feel they have an indigenous connection to the US. Most of this US obsession with being Native American is odd as they discriminated against them heavily in the past and even now they are still marginalised. It is all interesting from a psychological perspective. As far as I'm concerned I just want to know the facts and in the end I would accept anything if I knew it was accurate. The only odd results I've had is Ashkenazi on MyHeritage. If I had real Ashkenazi I would be very interested but as I know my ancestry quite well and also have never got anything like that on other dna platforms I know it is just an inaccurate dna test and that MyHeritage give incorrect trace ancestry to virtually everyone. If I got Ashkenazi in my 23&Me test I'd then think it was real.

In the end a lot of people do have some complexes on here but I honestly would not care whatever real ancestry I had. People accuse others of complexes they have either because you don't agree with them or they want to exclude certain populations that's my opinion. I personally would prefer to ask people why they think the way they do other than accuse them of having some ulterior motive because sometimes you are putting your own neuroses on someone else. :)

I'm quite happy to expand on my views if anyone asks. I'm actually very aware of who I am and what my views are on subjects like ethnicity. In the end I don't know why someone would be ashamed of their ancestry or want to embellish what they are by claiming something they are not or denying something they are. So for me personally as an Irish person I would like to know what populations have contributed to Ireland and how much have the Irish stayed the same or changed since the Bronze Age. I would like to know how much British (i.e. Scots, Welsh and English) and also populations like the Normans and Vikings have contributed to the Irish. Do we have genuine Continental Celtic ancestry? That's the topics I'm most interested in. So I hope a good dna study will emerge on this hopefully soon.

I am interested in other populations which is why I read studies on other populations also.

[J. Ketch]

They won't become any less disgusting if they ditch Islam tomorrow. It's ultimately about people and not the religion.
I don't consider the two things unrelated. The disgusting Muslim religion is a cultural product of the disgusting Arabic people/s.

[Aila]

Thanks Grace, I thought it was interesting because of the old articles like:
“Saami and Berbers—An Unexpected Mitochondrial DNA Link” and because the Berber women’s tattoos look rather Saami.

Berbers are also invited into indigenous festivals, like Isogaisa, which I think is good.
Isn’t she @ 1:42 a Berber? Impressive vocals! Don’t think she is a fake either …


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3aJVPt4WA0&ab_channel=JoikasunDainas

[HelloGuys]

Distance to: HelloGuys_scaled
0.20102805 Cree
0.42117230 Berber_Algeria

[HelloGuys]

Cree are mixed people, not pure Amerindian:

Target: Cree
Distance: 1.8896% / 0.01889584
47.2 South_American_Hunter-Gatherer
16.4 Yamnaya_Pastoralist
14.6 Ancient_Paleo_Siberian
12.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
7.0 Old_Bering_Sea_Hunter
1.4 North_Asian_Hunter-Gatherer
0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.2 Iberomaurusian

[Eurafricanid]

Why would you feel like that? Explain? That was not even in my mind when I looked at this.

I thought the majority of Europeans would be closer to Berber and very distant to Native American so when I looked at it I was surprised that this wasn't the case.

Also I would think East Europeans would be closer to Cree.

The reason why I find these topics interesting is that on G25 Irish are closer to Pashtun than Berbers. Absolutely nothing to do with South Europeans. You're interested in Spanish genetics which is understandable as you have that ancestry. My main point of interest is Irish genetics. You might be the one who is focussed on Southern Europeans but my main focus is the Irish which I've always made clear on here.

Why would it be desirable to be closer to Cree than Berbers? :confused: You are what you are and in the end you have to be comfortable in your own skin.

My only issues as far as these topics goes is people saying erroneous things about populations especially Irish when it is not factual. I sometimes correct people on other populations as well but sometimes I feel I should pick my battles. :)

So why would this calc have anything to do with something that is more related to your own way of thinking? :)

What I would like is for people to ask people instead of projecting their own issues on someone else. Not saying you are doing that but I've had enough of people on here accusing me of things which they have issues with themselves. It's projection. I've always been very open on these topics.

I think all Europeans are closer to Pashtun than Berbers. So in the scheme of things Berbers aren't very close.

I am not a fan of North Africans (especially muslims), mostly because of the history with the Iberian Peninsula and so don't like to be closer to them and I think a lot of Iberians (of the ones that care somewhat about history, of couse) share the same, or similar thoughts as me. And also I don't have the same dislikes with Amerindians (as my 3x great grandma was one, according to the family history) especially those with heavy european ancestry (close to a third), like the Cree.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am not a fan of North Africans (especially muslims), mostly because of the history with the Iberian Peninsula and so don't like to be closer to them and I think a lot of Iberians (of the ones that care somewhat about history, of couse) share the same, or similar thoughts as me. And also I don't have the same dislikes with Amerindians (as my 3x great grandma was one, according to the family history) especially those with heavy european ancestry (close to a third), like the Cree.

Thanks for the reply. I don't take what you said so personal now. :) So it is a bias you have. Your comment makes more sense to me now. :thumb001:

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 30.1998% / 0.30199798
55.0 Berber_Algeria
45.0 Cree

Distance to: Pedro_scaled
0.39116800 Berber_Algeria
0.42914894 Cree

Distance to: Dad_scaled
0.38426202 Berber_Algeria
0.43023807 Cree

Distance to: Mom_scaled
0.40059913 Berber_Algeria
0.43396584 Cree

[vader]

Distance to: LusoAncestryDNA_scaled
0.40119294 Berber_Algeria
0.43608545 Cree

Distance to: Luso_mom_scaled
0.40130822 Berber_Algeria
0.43130619 Cree

Distance to: Luso_dad_scaled
0.40761872 Berber_Algeria
0.43538011 Cree

[vader]

I am not a fan of North Africans (especially muslims), mostly because of the history with the Iberian Peninsula and so don't like to be closer to them and I think a lot of Iberians (of the ones that care somewhat about history, of couse) share the same, or similar thoughts as me. And also I don't have the same dislikes with Amerindians (as my 3x great grandma was one, according to the family history) especially those with heavy european ancestry (close to a third), like the Cree.

I really dont see why you would think this way. Iberians have had direct influences with north african's way before muslims even went there and arabized them. I'm talking about even paleolithic connections with us due to our Geography being so close, especially ancient southern iberians! It is also important to note that us (Portuguese) have pre-moorish invasion samples in Conimbriga, roman era, and various other pre-moorish era samples that show Berber components that are around the contemporary 11% figure in Olalde's popular iberian study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/). Even in some individual samples, this berber % went as high as contemporary canary islanders who can get up to around 20-25%. So I feel that this hate can be classified as self-hate. Because no matter what we can say, it is objectively part of our genome one way or another. It is similar in our roman-imperial, and germanic influences and I doubt you dislike these. To hate it for whatever modern, religious reasons is simply a waste of time and honestly concerning.

[Eurafricanid]

I really dont see why you would think this way. Iberians have had direct influences with north african's way before muslims even went there and arabized them. I'm talking about even paleolithic connections with us due to our Geography being so close, especially ancient southern iberians! It is also important to note that us (Portuguese) have pre-moorish invasion samples in Conimbriga, roman era, and various other pre-moorish era samples that show Berber components that are around the contemporary 11% figure in Olalde's popular iberian study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/). Even in some individual samples, this berber % went as high as contemporary canary islanders who can get up to around 20-25%. So I feel that this hate can be classified as self-hate. Because no matter what we can say, it is objectively part of our genome one way or another. It is similar in our roman-imperial, and germanic influences and I doubt you dislike these. To hate it for whatever modern, religious reasons is simply a waste of time and honestly concerning.

I'm well aware of that and I never said that iberians don't have North African DNA, I actually said the opposite a lot of times in this forum and my post does not conflict with that.
I wasn't talking about Iberian DNA, or North African DNA in Iberians, I was talking about my distaste because of the muslim hystory of the peninsula and this post doesn't have anything to do with that.

P.S.And btw, I don't hate anything why are you putting hate into that, it's just a superficial distaste.

[WalkiriaTyr]

Distance to: WALKIRIATYR_simulated_g25_scaled
0.42607196 Berber_Algeria
0.43607159 Cree

[gixajo]

I think this explains a lot

0.010 Berber_Algeria = 62% Fulani_Ziniare + 38% Algerian

0.025 Cree = 72% Amerindian_North + 28% German_Erlangen

Yeah, and this too:

0.029 Berber_Algeria = 82% Fulani + 18% German_Erlangen

0.014 Berber_Algeria = 80% Fulani + 20% Italian_Calabria

0.019 Berber_Algeria = 81% Fulani + 19% Albanian

0.021 Berber_Algeria = 81% Fulani + 19% Italian_Bergamo

Even this:

0.031 Berber_Algeria = 83% Fulani + 17% English

[calxpal]

Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 33.3090% / 0.33309038
52.8 Cree
47.2 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: Cpal_scaled
0.42365566 Cree
0.44277952 Berber_Algeria

Lol

[Narration]

This would be interesting to see especially for South Americans who have Native American ancestry.

These are G25 coordinates, right? If they are, is there any website that I can obtain my G25 coordinates for free?

[Ritz06]

Distance to:
0.40407807 Cree
0.42284778 Berber_Algeria

Target:
Distance: 30.6997% / 0.30699718
52.6 Cree
47.4 Berber_Algeria

[HelloGuys]

These are G25 coordinates, right? If they are, is there any website that I can obtain my G25 coordinates for free?

Yes, they are.

And no, you have to pay for them in Illustrative DNA.

[Mixdguy17]

Distance to: Mixdguy17_scaled

0.33105421 Berber_Algeria
0.34119348 Cree

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 33.8111% / 0.33811072
55.2 Cree
44.8 Berber_Algeria

[Rædwald]

Distance to: Rædwald
0.41319038 Cree
0.44339463 Berber_Algeria

[axel.aleman]

Distance to: Axel_scaled
0.27514269 Berber_Algeria
0.29791607 Cree

[Laredo]

I find It odd for Europeans to be related to Amerindians , I guess this confirms the related ties due to ANE.


Here are mine :)


Target: Laredo_scaled
Distance: 12.0434% / 0.12043386
75.4 Cree
24.6 Berber_Algeria

[Narration]

Distance to: Narration_simulated_g25_scaled
0.39720114 Cree
0.40915054 Berber_Algeria

[RyoHazuki]

Distance to: Ryo_scaled
0.43044188 Cree
0.43844566 Berber_Algeria

Almost equidistant. I get minor North African in Myheritage so maybe that's why.

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 33.4846% / 0.33484638
51.2 Cree
48.8 Berber_Algeria

[vader]

This would be interesting to see especially for South Americans who have Native American ancestry.



When my Fiancee who is Argentinian Mestiza gets her ancestrydna results and illustrativedna coords I'll post her results here! She is half south american native american.

This Cree sample is mixed tho, not full amerindian so she'll probably score even closer than normal to it considering she is about half euro.

[Coastal Elite]

Distance to: Daco_scaled
0.42429167 Cree
0.44228718 Berber_Algeria

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 33.3206% / 0.33320620
52.6 Cree
47.4 Berber_Algeria

[vader]

Distance to: Fiancee_scaled
0.12475142 Cree
0.47174973 Berber_Algeria

Target: Fiancee_scaled
Distance: 8.6608% / 0.08660843
83.8 Cree
16.2 Berber_Algeria

[Petalpusher]

When my Fiancee who is Argentinian Mestiza gets her ancestrydna results and illustrativedna coords I'll post her results here! She is half south american native american.

This Cree sample is mixed tho, not full amerindian so she'll probably score even closer than normal to it considering she is about half euro.

It should be redone with both the right references. Porper north Amerindian and some "Berbers" who are not 45% SSA.

[Kess]

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 30.0752% / 0.30075157
51.4 Cree
48.6 Berber_Algeria

Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.40337558 Cree
0.41413684 Berber_Algeria