Best fit for Australian students

[Creoda]

England, Ireland, Scotland, America, or other?

Queensland

Bundaberg
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGZHZNZ/Kepnock-State-High-School-Bundaberg.jpg

Burleigh Waters, Gold Coast
https://i.postimg.cc/pRv4K41q/b-URLEIGH-Waters-QLD.jpg

Caloundra, Sunshine Coast
https://i.postimg.cc/7hmHZ8P7/Caloundra-Christian-College.jpg

Cairns
https://i.postimg.cc/Y2v6FrBh/Redlynch-School-Cairns-QLD.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zB4w26YC/Manunda-QLD.jpg

Chinchilla
https://i.postimg.cc/K8RggQMB/Western-Downs.jpg

Cooktown
https://i.postimg.cc/PJxGKLhp/Cooktown-QLD.jpg

Emerald
https://i.postimg.cc/jTGh7fkX/Emerald.jpg

Gladstone
https://i.postimg.cc/xfDDhCtS/Tooloa-High-School-Gladstone-QLD.jpg

Gold Coast
https://i.postimg.cc/sx3Ct6rL/Gold-Coast.jpg

Goondiwindi
https://i.postimg.cc/wgVWdvTd/Goondiwindi-QLD.jpg

Ipswich
https://i.postimg.cc/1s9kFb8s/Bremer-State-High-School-Ipsw-ich.jpg

Mackay
https://i.postimg.cc/sjLMW5cR/Mackay-State-High-School.jpg

Moreton Bay
https://i.postimg.cc/8PVSvCfH/Moreton-Bay-QLD-2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qBTbX6Qz/Clontarf-Beach-School-QLD-Moreton-Bay.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/wjLRVMwj/St-Columbans-Caboolture-QLD.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/HLTn92J6/Moreton-Bay-QLD.jpg

Redland City, Brisbane
https://i.postimg.cc/tJSsmVxL/Redland-City-Brisbane.jpg

Roma
https://i.postimg.cc/NQjH2G8Y/Roma-State-College.jpg

Stanthorpe
https://i.postimg.cc/vmrcwKn7/Stanthorpe-QLD.jpg

Sunshine Coast
https://i.postimg.cc/Tw4PGvts/Sunshine-Coast-QLD.jpg

Toowoomba
https://i.postimg.cc/021tnMfz/Harristown-Toowoomba.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qRbNR3vj/Downlands-College-Toowoomba.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/hvNh8Rxm/St-Joseph-s-Toowoomba.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/LXXsr83f/Toowoomba-QLD.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/4xg2w7X8/Toowoomba.jpg

[Creoda]

New South Wales

Albury
https://i.postimg.cc/YCJbsvNG/Albury.jpg

Armidale
https://i.postimg.cc/vmShVXXV/O-Connor-Catholic-College-Armidale-NSW-.jpg

Ballina
https://i.postimg.cc/XnLZkrcX/Xavier-College-Ballina-nsw-.jpg

Bathurst
https://i.postimg.cc/cZ2rFMNK/Bathurst2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qvjpcd25/Bathurst.jpg

Baulkham Hills, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/Jhw4zWCD/Baulkham-Hills-Sydney.jpg

Berkeley Vale, Central Coast
https://i.postimg.cc/tgHpHtFF/Berkeley-Vale-Central-Coast.jpg

Bowral
https://i.postimg.cc/yYt7LzdQ/Chevalier-College-Bowral.jpg

Cambridge Park, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/MZJKSw-bh/Cambridge-Park-NSW-.jpg

Campbelltown, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/Xq9rn7pv/Campbelltown-Macarthur-NSW-.jpg

Cremorne, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/qvVrHxT4/Redlands-Cremorne-Sydney.jpg

Cronulla, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/Vvq8JyY4/Cronulla3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/YtncxRJZ/Cronulla.jpg

Dubbo
https://i.postimg.cc/B6N54bFC/Dubbo.jpg

Erina
https://i.postimg.cc/VmbcmpHR/Erina-NSW-.jpg

Gosford
https://i.postimg.cc/D2fX9ryq/Henry-Kendall-School-Gosford-NSW-.jpg

Grafton
https://i.postimg.cc/1XW3mnys/Grafton-High-School.jpg

Heathcote
https://i.postimg.cc/65w3dK8d/Heathcote-NSW-.jpg

Kandos
https://i.postimg.cc/w6h9QZd2/Kandos-NSW-.jpg

Kenthurst, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/2865Hwx6/Hills-Grammar-Kenthurst-Sydney.jpg

Kurri Kurri
https://i.postimg.cc/G2x0RWbC/Kurri-Kurri2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Kvs6mrhR/Kurri-Kurri-NSW-.jpg

Lake Macqaurie
https://i.postimg.cc/CLxPBTL1/Lake-Macquarie.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RFBFXxP5/Toronto-High-School-Lake-Macquarie-NSW-.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QCMjy81P/Belmont-High-School-Lake-Macquarie.jpg

Lismore
https://i.postimg.cc/Ytd9mJMW/Rivers-SC-Lismore.jpg

Meadowbank, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/vmGkzPW2/Meadowbank-Sydney-NSW-.jpg

Mona Vale, Sydney
https://i.postimg.cc/KYDBDj0y/Mona-Vale-Sydney.jpg

Moss Vale
https://i.postimg.cc/x144S0HH/Moss-Vale-High-Southern-Highlands.jpg

Muswellbrook
https://i.postimg.cc/jSrpFqHj/Musw-ellbrook-NSW-.jpg

Narrabri
https://i.postimg.cc/prwwxR3q/Narrabri-NSW-.jpg

Narromine
https://i.postimg.cc/13vckMkj/Narromine-NSW-.jpg

Newcastle
https://i.postimg.cc/wBNsTVt2/Cardiff-Newcastle.jpg

Parkes
https://i.postimg.cc/0yPw2mG1/Parkes.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vTwm2F3w/Parkes-High-School.jpg

Shoalhaven
https://i.postimg.cc/HxcHCZVW/Shoalhaven-South-Coast.jpg

Tamworth
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0FWjzyM/Oxley-Tamworth.jpg

Tweed Heads
https://i.postimg.cc/FzyfgsbL/Tweed-Heads.jpg

Vincentia
https://i.postimg.cc/76GCQN40/Vincentia-NSW-.jpg

Wagga Wagga
https://i.postimg.cc/Sx2hw15Z/Wagga-Wagga.jpg

Wauchope
https://i.postimg.cc/7Yj3xp5j/Wauchope.jpg

Woolgoolga
https://i.postimg.cc/Wp9NJZPP/Woolgoolga-NSW-.jpg

[Creoda]

South Australia

Hope Valley, Adelaide
https://i.postimg.cc/tTvgynqy/Hope-Valley-Adelaide.jpg

Loxton
https://i.postimg.cc/wvw1vbkC/Loxton-SA.jpg

Lucindale
https://i.postimg.cc/7Y3ynJF6/Lucindale-SA.jpg

Marryatville, Adelaide
https://i.postimg.cc/fW3zmLWt/Marryatville-High-School-Adelaide.jpg

Mount Gambier
https://i.postimg.cc/02FJDFqx/Mt-Gambier-SA.jpg

Somerton Park, Adelaide
https://i.postimg.cc/px05jhCT/Somerton-Park-Adelaide.jpg

Tasmania

Devonport
https://i.postimg.cc/y69N2xqq/Devonport-High-School-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/sVwGJMzw/Don-College-Devonport.jpg

Exeter
https://i.postimg.cc/yVgCL54t/Exeter-High-School-Tas.jpg

Hobart
https://i.postimg.cc/hSS7x9kX/Elizabeth-College-Hobart-3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8C68sFmN/Oakwood-School-Hobart.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0xgPB8Nf/Hutchins-School-Hobart.jpg

Latrobe
https://i.postimg.cc/xQZcTD1J/Latrobe-TAS.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5fmXxXXb/1770-13217019-1731373293740985-4489336235953541593-o.jpg

Launceston
https://i.postimg.cc/GbnD30zJ/Prospect-High-School-Launceston.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/7PMkg28L/Launceston.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0yr1RX66/Launceston-Church-Grammar-School.jpg

Port Dalrymple
https://i.postimg.cc/fTNbssZV/Port-Dalrymple.jpg

Scottsdale
https://i.postimg.cc/768FzxK7/Scottsdale-High.jpg

Victoria

Ararat
https://i.postimg.cc/HsybZdzj/Ararat.jpg

Ballarat
https://i.postimg.cc/3xh92kh3/Ballarat.jpg

Bendigo
https://i.postimg.cc/CLrLqqkq/Weeroona-College-Bendigo-VIC.png
https://i.postimg.cc/hGTS6ZwL/Bendigo-VIC.jpg

Carrum Downs, Melbourne
https://i.postimg.cc/W3c44crY/Carrum-Downs-Melbourne-VIC.jpg

Cobram
https://i.postimg.cc/zBx4cnJw/Cobram.jpg

Echuca
https://i.postimg.cc/wB0Nyvq4/Echuca.jpg

Frankston, Melbourne
https://i.postimg.cc/nL4J0jjT/Frankston2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/t9L9Gy5p/Frankston-Vic.webp

Geelong
https://i.postimg.cc/2yz84d04/Geelong-VIC.jpg

Horsham
https://i.postimg.cc/ZYFWCnw8/Horsham.jpg

Knoxfield, Melbourne
https://i.postimg.cc/WN1W9qk3/Knoxfield-Melbourne.jpg

Kooweerup
https://i.postimg.cc/HLZ2G3yL/Kooweerup.jpg

Kyabram
https://i.postimg.cc/jqZRp78F/Kyabram-VIC.jpg

Lilydale, Melbourne
https://i.postimg.cc/GhCv565Q/Lilydale.jpg

Mildura
https://i.postimg.cc/y8SB3r7M/Mildura-VIC.jpg

Orbost
https://i.postimg.cc/mT1mJGkY/Orbost.jpg

Ringwood, Melbourne
https://i.postimg.cc/z5mHFYYm/Ringwood-Melbourne.jpg

St Arnaud
https://i.postimg.cc/xn3mdxZw/St-Arnaud.jpg

Stawell
https://i.postimg.cc/J0BH25bS/Stawell.jpg

Wodonga
https://i.postimg.cc/MpJVgN35/Wodonga.jpg

Yarra Junction
https://i.postimg.cc/bYzzVTRn/Yarra-Junction.jpg

Western Australia

Lesmurdie, Perth
https://i.postimg.cc/Pqhcf6Jz/Mazenod-College-WA.jpg

Mandurah
https://i.postimg.cc/tRgKVm5B/Mandurah-Catholic-College.jpg

[Oliver109]

Atlantids, brunns, borrebies, faelids, meds, alpines, subnordics etc quite a lot look very Dutch or Danish, i think a lot of Saxon genes ended up in Oz, also some of these are old ass looking kids, is it the sun? i dunno but some look about several years older i.e these
https://postlmg.cc/zHGMQcHR
https://postlmg.cc/4YThZkwt
https://postlmg.cc/mzPwvW2M
https://postlmg.cc/mzPwvW2M

[ecptr]

Almost 100% white. Pleasing to the eye.

Some look more English (1), some more Irish (2).

https://i.postimg.cc/fTNbssZV/Port-Dalrymple.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/W3c44crY/Carrum-Downs-Melbourne-VIC.jpg

[Creoda]

Atlantids, brunns, borrebies, faelids, meds, alpines, subnordics etc quite a lot look very Dutch or Danish, i think a lot of Saxon genes ended up in Oz, also some of these are old ass looking kids, is it the sun? i dunno but some look about several years older i.e these
https://postlmg.cc/zHGMQcHR
https://postlmg.cc/4YThZkwt
https://postlmg.cc/mzPwvW2M
https://postlmg.cc/mzPwvW2M
They are mostly 17/18 year olds, school captains, basically adults. Most of the groups you seem to post from Europe are 14/15 year olds, either that or people mature earlier here, which is dubious

[Oliver109]

They are mostly 17/18 year olds, school captains, basically adults. Most of the groups you seem to post from Europe are 14/15 year olds, either that or people mature earlier here, which is dubious

Well they look older than a lot of UK sixth formers, i suppose there are factors behind it but certainly i wouldn't pass many of them for under 21.

[Creoda]

bump

[Ruggery]

School classrooms look whiter than the schools in most cities in the United States or even England.

[Tooting Carmen]

Between England and Ireland, if that makes sense. Either way, certainly rather different to those cherry picked inner city Australian schools Catgeorge posted the other day.

[Creoda]

Between England and Ireland, if that makes sense.
Those would be the two largest ethnic backgrounds of most of these kids, so it would make sense. Still, are they noticeably different to Americans/Canadians besides the uniforms? Hangh's threads on Americans and their supposed difference to Australians made me think.


Either way, certainly rather different to those cherry picked inner city Australian schools Catgeorge posted the other day.
I haven't seen that but inner-city schools are completely different, besides the posh ones. Many would be majority Asian now, and most an ethnic mish-mash. I picked mostly smaller towns and cities, where the population is still largely homogenous.

[Tooting Carmen]

Those would be the two largest ethnic backgrounds of most of these kids, so it would make sense. Still, are they noticeably different to Americans/Canadians besides the uniforms? Hangh's threads on Americans and their supposed difference to Australians made me think.

More similar to White Southern Americans than to Northeasterners or Midwesterners IMHO.


I haven't seen that but inner-city schools are completely different, besides the posh ones. Many would be majority Asian now, and most an ethnic mish-mash. I picked mostly smaller towns and cities, where the population is still largely homogenous.

He deliberately posted heavily non-white schools in Australia in order to prove that the country is a "woke shithole": https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?377880-Olive-skin-does-it-really-exist-or-is-it-a-way-for-brown-people-to-feel-a-bit-whiter&p=7821400&viewfull=1#post7821400

[Davystayn]

They pass in all I'd say depending on individual of course, but all look as though they have benefitted from a great diet, upbringing and outdoor lifestyle that Australia offers.

[Creoda]

More similar to White Southern Americans than to Northeasterners or Midwesterners IMHO.



He deliberately posted heavily non-white schools in Australia in order to prove that the country is a "woke shithole": https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?377880-Olive-skin-does-it-really-exist-or-is-it-a-way-for-brown-people-to-feel-a-bit-whiter&p=7821400&viewfull=1#post7821400
Dandenong, now that is a shithole. He probably lives nearby (Oakleigh or something). But I wouldn't listen to him to get the truth about Australia, or anywhere else for that matter.

[masoebu]

English Isles

Close to the average white look at my workplace in the U.S.

[Creoda]

Scotch College, Adelaide, South Australia
https://i.postimg.cc/y7CxDNgP/Scotch-College-Adelaide.jpg

Arcadia, Sydney, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/XVDW80dD/Northolm-Grammar-School-Arcadia-Sydney.jpg

Ballarat, Victoria
https://i.postimg.cc/yYTjVvnw/Ballarat-Vic.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fbMJMf2g/Ballarat2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/0QrCkwcD/Ballarat3.jpg

Baulkham Hills, Sydney, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/KckC8SgC/Model-Farms-High-School-Baulham-Hills-Sydney.jpg

Bulli, Wollongong, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/DFzvCMb1/Bulli-High-School.jpg

Bundaberg, Queensland
https://i.postimg.cc/rqmvSBdP/St-Lukes-Bundaberg.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mDbPFBST/St-Luke-Anglican-School-QLD.jpg

Cannonvale, Queensland
https://i.postimg.cc/1mBzgxV3/Whitsunday-Christian-College-Cannonvale.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/hPL4qHnn/15066645434-5-thumb.jpg

Carine, Perth, Western Australia
https://i.postimg.cc/pW3C88tr/Carine-Senior-High-School-Perth-WA.jpg

Cleve, South Australia
https://i.postimg.cc/HxV97wzY/Cleve-Area-School-SA.jpg

Deniliquin, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/jxrfHhFD/Deniliquin-NSW-.jpg

Drouin, VIC
https://i.postimg.cc/nFdWjM3w/Drouin.webp

Wesley College, Elsternwick, Melbourne, VIC
https://i.postimg.cc/qR96vRLq/Wesley-College.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rVmhzwcp/Wesley-College-Elsternwick.jpg

Florey, Canberra, ACT
https://i.postimg.cc/wqwCX1bm/St-Francis-Xavier-Florey-ACT.jpg

Galston, Sydney, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/MT0YqP3L/Galston-NSW-.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8DtKtFBy/Galston-Sydney-NSW-.jpg

Gawler, Adelaide, South Australia
https://i.postimg.cc/YqWJYkVK/Trinity-College-Gawler.jpg

Geelong, Victoria
https://i.postimg.cc/k57Nb9Hw/Geelong-Secondary-College.jpg

Glen Innes, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/81rNPz7B/Glen-Innes-HS-capital-funding.jpg

Goolwa, South Australia
https://i.postimg.cc/DzqdFp8X/Investigator-College-Goolwa-SA.png

Gunnedah, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/ZY8VPRHS/Gunnedah-NSW-.jpg

Gympie, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/rsrd9v1Z/Gympie2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/6WRXXWH2/Gympie-QLD.jpg

Hawkesbury, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/qBrZ5Y1y/Hawkesbury-High-School.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1shNLS0L/Hawkesbury.jpg

Scotch College, Hawthorn, Melbourne, VIC
https://i.postimg.cc/0jFgd4kQ/Scotch-College-Hawthorn.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QNwJFNtp/Scotch-College.jpg

Heatherbrae, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/k7LChY9g/Hunter-River-High-School-Heatherbrae-NSW-.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/8c4YZPht/Hunter-River-Hugh-School.jpg

Hervey Bay, Queensland
https://i.postimg.cc/HnMWC6MK/Fraser-Coast-Anglican-College.jpg

Ingham, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/2ybjDh31/Ingham-Qld.jpg

Queanbeyan, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/W1kn31hC/Queanbeyan-NSW-.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/c0qQ00mR/Queanbeyan2.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/BQV33MKN/Queanbeyan.jpg

Xavier College, Kew, Melbourne, VIC
https://i.postimg.cc/zfKfLnkK/Xavier-College-Kew-Melb.jpg

Launceston, Tasmania
https://i.postimg.cc/9QWYC56H/Launceston-Christian-School.jpg

Lithgow, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/mk338fj2/Lithgow-NSW-.jpg

Mount Annan, Sydney, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/ZRf0ZJcM/Mount-Annan-Sydney.jpg

Narrabeen, Sydney, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/3K1GZhjG/Narrabeen-NSW-.jpg

Nathalia, VIC
https://i.postimg.cc/QCYDYbDB/Nathalia.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Prv0khzV/Nathalia2.jpg

Port Macquarie, New South Wales
https://i.postimg.cc/CxMFqqmt/St-Columba-Anglican-School-NSW-.jpg

Sarina, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/5fkpSw-x1/Sarina-Queensland.jpg

Scone, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/1tZmGLjz/Scone-NSW-.jpg

Secret Harbour, Perth, WA
https://i.postimg.cc/QtdbbkdK/Comet-Bay-College-WA-Secret-Harbour.jpg

Tamworth, NSW
https://i.postimg.cc/rwzMv7Zf/Peel-High-School-NSW-.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/j5t9r7dR/Tamworth.jpg

Toowoomba, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/vbdnxyKG/Fairholme-QLD.jpg

Warwick, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/vQJQcYmy/Assumption-College-Warwick.jpg

Yeronga, Brisbane, QLD
https://i.postimg.cc/8DC1c6yD/Yeronga-Brisbane-QLD.jpg

[Immanenz]

They pass in all I'd say depending on individual of course, but all look as though they have benefitted from a great diet, upbringing and outdoor lifestyle that Australia offers.

its a major health issue arising- and actually one that is relativly easy to fix (better diet and more outdoor activities or some kind of sports as you said)- all it would take just slight changes to the conservative schooling systems we have in many countries in Europe.

[Creoda]

re: diet and lifestyle, Australia is slightly more obese than the UK, though considerably less than the US, and is extremely urbanised, moreso than the US and UK (though these kids are largely rural). So not such a big factor overall. But sport participation is definitely greater in Aus, especially in the country.

[Odelia]

Definitely not America! More like a village in ireland or wales...lmao these people are whiter than Brits themselves! In the US, their best fit is maybe Idaho or Wyoming. Why include only Australians of anglo stock?? That's not how australia looked looked when i visited melbourne lol

When I was in melbourne that's what I saw tbh:
https://birrongboy-h.schools.nsw.gov.au/content/dam/doe/sws/schools/b/birrongboy-h/gallery/prefect-and-src-awards/IMG-20191204-WA0001.jpg.thumb.1280.1280.jpg
https://www.localnewsplus.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/2023_07_21_11_14_46_BirrBoys.jpg
https://birronggir-h.schools.nsw.gov.au/content/dam/doe/sws/schools/b/birronggir-h/localcontent/prefects_feb_2017copy.jpg

It's the sad truth, you guys are getting the multicultural treatment even way worse than us! :bored:

[Tooting Carmen]

It's the sad truth, you guys are getting the multicultural treatment even way worse than us! :bored:

Not really. Although it is true that the percentage of immigrants per capita is even higher in Australia than in the US, a much higher percentage of them in the former still come from Europe: between a fifth and a quarter come from the UK alone, while Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, Greece and Italy in particular also feature strongly, as well as Kiwis and White South Africans. Furthermore, in terms of race/ethnicity, Australia is still around 75% White, whereas the US is barely 65%.

[Tooting Carmen]

@Odelia: I can show you plenty of schools in NYC, Chicago, Miami, LA, SF et al that look as or even less White than those Melbourne schools you cherrypicked.

[Creoda]

Why include only Australians of anglo stock??
Because they're the only ones I consider to be true Australians, duh :rolleyes: And characterising racially heterogenous groups is pointless and of no interest to me.


Not really. Although it is true that the percentage of immigrants per capita is even higher in Australia than in the US, a much higher percentage of them in the former still come from Europe: between a fifth and a quarter come from the UK alone, while Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, Greece and Italy in particular also feature strongly, as well as Kiwis and White South Africans. Furthermore, in terms of race/ethnicity, Australia is still around 75% White, whereas the US is barely 65%.
More like around 80% vs around 60%, but rapidly declining for both. The Asian-origin population the 2021 census was 17%.

[Creoda]

@Odelia: I can show you plenty of schools in NYC, Chicago, Miami, LA, SF et al that look as or even less White than those Melbourne schools you cherrypicked.
The school she posted is in Sydney, the amount of Lebs/Muslims makes it more likely. I daresay the school she/he possibly attended.

[Tooting Carmen]

More like around 80% vs around 60%, but rapidly declining for both. The Asian-origin population the 2021 census was 17%.

What about Aboriginals and Pacific Islanders?

[Davystayn]

Almost 100% white. Pleasing to the eye.

Some look more English (1), some more Irish (2).

https://i.postimg.cc/fTNbssZV/Port-Dalrymple.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/W3c44crY/Carrum-Downs-Melbourne-VIC.jpg

Interesting observation, think you are right here.

[Davystayn]

its a major health issue arising- and actually one that is relativly easy to fix (better diet and more outdoor activities or some kind of sports as you said)- all it would take just slight changes to the conservative schooling systems we have in many countries in Europe.

I think it is just the weather, encourages an outdoor lifestyle, just don't that in Europe outside of Mediteranean bordering countries. No surprise Aussies are good at swimming, cricket and all the football sports.

[Davystayn]

Noticed a few have aboriginal admixture as well.

[Creoda]

What about Aboriginals and Pacific Islanders?
Maybe 2-3% for both of them combined. The number of Aboriginals is largely overreported by Whites with partial (or fake) ancestry now declaring it as their one of their ethnicities on the census - there was half the amount of people identifying as Aboriginal in the census 15 years ago.

[Immanenz]

I think it is just the weather, encourages an outdoor lifestyle, just don't that in Europe outside of Mediteranean bordering countries. No surprise Aussies are good at swimming, cricket and all the football sports.

also the more sun-light making them look more healthy (more absorbed vitamin d- however the later risks for skin cancer)- btw i looked it up, in UK teenager obesity isnt that high, there is more a problem with the obesity of grown ups, its still a problem however generally speaking for many Western countries.

[Tooting Carmen]

Maybe 2% for both of them combined.

Seriously? Like NZ, I thought that Australia has now lots of Fijians, Samoans, Tongans etc.

[Creoda]

Seriously? Like NZ, I thought that Australia has now lots of Fijians, Samoans, Tongans etc.
It does, but Australia has 5x the population of NZ, and they are small islands, a drop in the bucket. But I may have underestimated, most of them are in NSW and QLD and I don't see them much.

You might get a false view of their numbers by their massive overrepresentation in Australian rugby, both Union and League.

[Davystayn]

also the more sun-light making them look more healthy (more absorbed vitamin d- however the later risks for skin cancer)- btw i looked it up, in UK teenager obesity isnt that high, there is more a problem with the obesity of grown ups, its still a problem however generally speaking for many Western countries.

It is fair to say there is an airbrushed stereotype maybe to Aussies having a healthy lifestyle etc but even so the obesity stats are suprising.

I do know Australia has inherited the class system to a certain extent from the UK, best seen in the divide between private and public schools.

[Creoda]

It is fair to say there is an airbrushed stereotype maybe to Aussies having a healthy lifestyle etc but even so the obesity stats are suprising.

I do know Australia has inherited the class system to a certain extent from the UK, best seen in the divide between private and public schools.
The stereotype comes from earlier generations of Australians, that were healthier, better fed and had more fresh air than their contemporaries in Europe. The famous story is of the ANZACs meeting the British Tommies in Gallipoli, who stood almost a foot shorter than them in many cases, despite only having been separated from the old country for a few generations, if that.

Now with urbanisation, technology, sedantary office work and American fast food chains around every corner, Australians are about as unhealthy as the others. But they do still have a much greater red meat consumption than the British.

Australia may have inherited the facade of the British class order, but it is incomparable to Britain in that respect thankfully. Most private schools are just Catholic/Christian schools and not posh. I'd say even America has more of a class divide than Australia, which sees itself as a nation of 'battlers' with working class origin, regardless of their relative wealth these days. Only 2% of the population descibes themselves as upper class, so there is still a stigma against wealth in Australian culture, which is related to the tall poppy syndrome. Something that is alien in American culture I think.

[Davystayn]

The stereotype comes from earlier generations of Australians, that were healthier, better fed and had more fresh air than their contemporaries in Europe. The famous story is of the ANZACs meeting the British Tommies in Gallipoli, who stood almost a foot shorter than them in many cases, despite only having been separated from the old country for a few generations, if that.

Now with urbanisation, technology, sedantary office work and American fast food chains around every corner, Australians are about as unhealthy as the others. But they do still have a much greater red meat consumption than the British.

Australia may have inherited the facade of the British class order, but it is incomparable to Britain in that respect thankfully. Most private schools are just Catholic/Christian schools and not posh. I'd say even America has more of a class divide than Australia, which sees itself as a nation of 'battlers' with working class origin, regardless of their relative wealth these days. Only 2% of the population descibes themselves as upper class, so there is still a stigma against wealth in Australian culture, which is related to the tall poppy syndrome. Something that is alien in American culture I think.
Interesting about the US and you could be right, guess the rich landowners established this in the north east which goes all the way down to the Ivy League and the posh schools - most US tv in the 90s focused on offices in Manhattan with major characters either lawyers or in banking living in those big detached houses you see in movies. I guess that is how it developed over there.

In Australia (thinking Sydney here), the posh areas seem to be in the east and around the water, with a lot of people with kids at private school, while the western suburbs people are generally working class. Auckland seems the same as well.

[Creoda]

Interesting about the US and you could be right, guess the rich landowners established this in the north east which goes all the way down to the Ivy League and the posh schools - most US tv in the 90s focused on offices in Manhattan with major characters either lawyers or in banking living in those big detached houses you see in movies. I guess that is how it developed over there.

In Australia (thinking Sydney here), the posh areas seem to be in the east and around the water, with a lot of people with kids at private school, while the western suburbs people are generally working class. Auckland seems the same as well.
Yeah it's a very noticeable cultural difference between Australia and the US, one of the biggest. The main characters in Australian fiction always live humbly and come from that background. Americans celebrate obscene wealth and aspire to be like them, see the popularity of Trump among their white working class.

[hangh]

re: diet and lifestyle, Australia is slightly more obese than the UK, though considerably less than the US

It isn't, though. The NHANES survey in the US is considerably different from the health and nutrition surveys in other western countries (for this reason, infant mortality and life expectancy figures in the US are also embarrassing and misleading).

The Gallup and Healthway survey gives a similar self-reported obesity rate in the US to the self-reported Australian, British, Canadian rates, etc. The NHANES survey involves the oversampling of Hispanics, Blacks, and poor whites, and uses a different formula that the CDC created to predict BMI value per percentage body fat that ends up inflating their figures. Studies on the differences in relationship between BMI and % body fat per ethnic group indicate that (white) British people (and other Western Europeans) have more body fat per the same BMI than do white American people (see this study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/13411743_Body_mass_index_and_percent_body_fat_A_me ta_analysis_among_different_ethnic_groups). This is mostly due to the environmental factors that white Americans have evolved in, in addition to greater traditional red meat consumption. A preference for a wider variety of sports that often require bulk muscle also plays a role, as does greater frequency of more vigorous physical activity/exercise. Australians would share some of these attributes, as well, though perhaps wouldn't diverge as notably from white British people in % of body fat per BMI, energy expenditure/intake, or body stature.

This is why it's unwise to judge Asians as "healthier" or less fat than others - they're just fatter at lower BMIs - hinted at in the fact that they're more prone to diabetes than all other ethno-racial groups.

At the end of the day, since there's significant anti-American bias in media - and a strong incentive for Europeans to slander American food, healthcare, and culture/lifestyle for protectionist purposes - this important information, context, and nuance all gets left out in order to fortify the "America bad" narrative, and since the image of fatness incites strong negative biases in most people, it is extremely effective anti-Americanism.

A comparison of the photo sets posted of American students (see mine: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?372161-Place-Classify-these-groups-of-American-high-school-students/page1) vs the Australian ones here confirms that there's no meaningful/visible difference in body size (or health/fitness level) between them. Unless you have a biased eye, you shouldn't be seeing a difference comparing the two. Comparing a YouTube walking tour of Gold Coast vs Miami or Fort Lauderdale wouldn't flatter Australia.

According to the WHO, Australian and British teens are much less physically active than American teens:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7711713/The-worlds-laziest-teenagers-7-children-South-Korea-active-hour-day.html

"Obesity" as a modern talking point is a bit of a meme, really - a crutch for societal demoralizers and narcissists. Many people don't consider that the cutoff values are misleadingly low, don't translate cross-ethnically, and encompass most amateur or professional athletes. The stats are triply exaggerated in the US, which was the first country to use BMI to set insurance premiums (there's financial incentive to push more and more people across the overweight and obese cutoff values in the US. Big Pharma also benefits, as doctors can now prescribe Ozempic out the wazoo). The US is also significantly more ethno-phenotypically diverse than Australia, the UK, or other western countries, so it's not comparing apples and oranges. Obesity and overweight figures are exaggerated globally, though, given how low the cutoff values are, and how poorly they translate cross-ethnically.

The problem that does exist is a much smaller one - the typical, generational increase in average weight (about 2-3 lbs) is now concentrated in the upper quintiles of the weight scale. The median person doesn't weigh any more than they did in the 70s, but, there are somewhat more severely obese people walking around - this is especially remarkable in richer western countries, where the greater abundance of cheap food means that our poor are more likely to be fat than our wealthy. This is different to parts of the developing and undeveloped world, where the poor tend to be malnourished, and the wealthy are the fatter ones. Demographic change - as in, more squatty Mestizos/Hispanics, highly adipose Africans and/or Asians moving into the US and other western countries - only exaggerates "average BMI"/obesity figures, on paper.

On the flipside, the greater abundance of fit people, with notable amounts of muscle mass, also influences the increase in average BMI, and so with it, the numbers of overweight and obese. Ironically.

[hangh]

American fast food chains around every corner

Are you seriously blaming fatness in Australia on 'American fast food chains', as if the culture of beer consumption and the original, fairly starchy pattern-diet of Australia, with staples like "fairy bread", of all things, isn't mostly to blame?

[Creoda]

Are you seriously blaming fatness in Australia on 'American fast food chains', as if the culture of beer consumption and the original, fairly starchy pattern-diet of Australia, with staples like "fairy bread", of all things, isn't mostly to blame?
Yes, the link between the growth in American fast food consumption (as well as Coca-Cola and American-style Pizza) and obesity rates is clear. Obesity rates have nearly tripled since the mid 70s, when American fast food and Pizza was largely a novelty.
https://images.theconversation.com/files/43119/original/y9m6g85k-1393979667.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Obesity_in_Australia.svg/800px-Obesity_in_Australia.svg.png

Fairy bread is a staple in Australia according to you :rolleyes: And Mayo sandwiches must be a staple in America. Standard American bread might as well be fairy bread with how sugary it is compared to Australian and British bread.

[hangh]

Yes, the link between the growth in American fast food consumption (as well as Coca-Cola and American-style Pizza) and obesity rates is clear. Obesity rates have nearly tripled since the mid 70s, when American fast food and Pizza was largely a novelty.
https://images.theconversation.com/files/43119/original/y9m6g85k-1393979667.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Obesity_in_Australia.svg/800px-Obesity_in_Australia.svg.png

No, this indicates "Australian fast food outlets". America is not the birthplace of fast, unhealthy food. Australia's national diet has always consisted of unhealthy, starchy items, including significant beer consumption - this is why you are fat. Australia's national diet is easily more generalizably unhealthy than the American one. You had chip shops and fried sausages before "American" fast food came to your shores. As if fatness was invented by Americans.

"Obesity" increased (using BMI) with the advent of sedentary lifestyles/de-industrialization.


Fairy bread is a staple in Australia according to you :rolleyes: And Mayo sandwiches must be a staple in America.

...fairy bread is a dish with its own Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_bread). There is no such thing as a "mayo sandwich" that is notably popular in America. Fairy bread is a symbol of the unhealthy food cultures of your country, plus some countries in Europe.


Standard American bread might as well be fairy bread with how sugary it is compared to Australian and British bread.

...No, hun. This is a stupid sentence, and a ridiculous claim. I guess I'll play along, though: if anything, it's the other way around. Australian processed bread has tons of glucose syrup in it compared to American bread, and is much more sugary. This is actually closer to the truth than your mindless anti-American nonsense. "Australia good, America bad", so glucose syrup must be healthy, right? Because it's not a processed sweetener America favors? "Rapeseed oil good, Canola oil bad", "why?", "because Europe good, America bad" - That's evidently as nuanced and un-biased as your thinking gets. "Our unhealthy stuff fine, your unhealthy stuff bad".

There is no "standard American bread" - America is a diverse economy with many different types and makers of bread for sale.

So, no, on all levels, you are wrong. You couldn't respond to all the facts I laid out in the post before this one, and so you threw a fit and insulted Americans. One would expect anti-American bigotry to be ban-worthy, but, it's too popular, I guess.

No American who can access a YouTube walking tour of an Australian city, or who knows basic facts about global food, health, and nutrition culture, would ever take the suggestion that Australians were healthier or "less fat" seriously. It is so strongly evident that that is not the case. The students in your photo certainly don't do anything to flatter the Australian image as to fatness. You have closer to the same high body fat per BMI situation that the Brits deal with, and your youth seriously lack in vigorous physical activity relative to American teens. But you'll continue to make false or unfalsifiable claims left, right, and center if it satisfies your Ameriphobic biases. Maybe learn to not deflect everything negative onto us. You'll look less insecure.

[Creoda]

No, this indicates "Australian fast food outlets".The top 5 chains are American, who would make up 90% or more of the traffic.



America is not the birthplace of fast, unhealthy food.
No, it's just the main exporter of it around the world. Perhaps America's greatest cultural contribution.



Australia's national diet has always consisted of unhealthy, starchy items, including significant beer consumption - this is why you are fat. Australia's national diet is easily more generalizably unhealthy than the American one. You had chip shops and fried sausages before "American" fast food came to your shores. As if fatness was invented by Americans.And yet Americans are fatter, and Australia had 1/3 its' current obesity levels 50 years ago with its more traditional diet.



"Obesity" increased (using BMI) with the advent of sedentary lifestyles/de-industrialization.
And I mentioned that, but you dishonestly inferred that I said American fast food was the only reason for increased obesity.



...fairy bread is a dish with its own Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_bread). There is no such thing as a "mayo sandwich" that is notably popular in America. Fairy bread is a symbol of the unhealthy food cultures of your country, plus some countries in Europe. You dishonestly called it a staple, when if you read the wiki page you'd see it's something that's occasionally served at children's parties.



...No, hun. This is a stupid sentence, and a ridiculous claim. I guess I'll play along, though: if anything, it's the other way around. Australian processed bread has tons of glucose syrup in it compared to American bread, and is much more sugary. Rubbish. Everyone notices American bread is sweet and sugary compared to everywhere else.



So, no, on all levels, you are wrong. You couldn't respond to all the facts I laid out in the post before this one, and so you threw a fit and insulted Americans. One would expect anti-American bigotry to be ban-worthy, but, it's too popular, I guess.You don't have facts, you only have hysterical defensiveness and dishonesty. I didn't insult Americans, I was replying to a misconception that Australians are relatively healthy with comparative stats, before you jumped in.



No American who can access a YouTube walking tour of an Australian city, or who knows basic facts about global food, health, and nutrition culture, would ever take the suggestion that Australians were healthier or "less fat" seriously. It is so strongly evident that that is not the case. The students in your photo certainly don't do anything to flatter the Australian image as to fatness. You have closer to the same high body fat per BMI situation that the Brits deal with, and your youth seriously lack in vigorous physical activity relative to American teens. But you'll continue to make false or unfalsifiable claims left, right, and center if it satisfies your Ameriphobic biases. Maybe learn to not deflect everything negative onto us. You'll look less insecure.
You calling anyone insecure is ironic, as most of your posts are hysterically calling anyone anti-American who doesn't say Americans are superior in every way.

[hangh]

The top 5 chains are American, who would make up 90% of the traffic.

And it’s still silly for you to pretend like America introduced Australia to unhealthy food. Australia’s food wasn’t healthy before, and it consisted of staple dishes that would be considered “fast food”.



No, it's just the main exporter of it around the world. Perhaps America's greatest cultural contribution.

No, it’s greatest cultural contribution is democratic-republican political philosophy, modern music, dance, and fashion, the skyscraper, genre film - “unhealthy food” is not a product of the US and is not it’s “greatest cultural contribution”. This is your jealousy of America’s cultural influence seeping in. Considering Australia has no culture. It’s all just American culture.


And yet Americans are fatter, and Australia had 1/3 its' current obesity levels 50 years ago with its more traditional diet.

No, we aren’t, and it didn’t. I debunked that very simply, using simple data that you apparently prefer to ignore, in a post (that you ignored) when I first replied to you. I already explained to you that fatness is described by % Body Fat, not BMI alone, and that White Europeans are fatter than White Americans. They have MORE body fat per BMI. They are fatter than Americans at lower BMIs. Ergo, they are “fatter”. Period. They have lower BMIs than white Americans do, on average, although this is even an exaggerated, irrelevant difference, given the NHANES survey over-samples “non-Hispanic whites below the federal poverty level” in its survey - European health and nutrition surveys do no such thing.

The US had an identical obesity rate to Australia in the past decade, using like-for-like methodology: https://news.gallup.com/poll/170264/adult-obesity-rate.aspx

Aside from the American population not being similar to the Australian one (an important factor, to make your statement a logically sound one), the NHANES survey is not equivalent to the survey Australia runs.


You dishonestly called it a staple, when if you read the wiki page you'd see it's something that's occasionally served at children's parties.

…it’s still a famous Australian dish.

You keep attacking “dishonesty”, when the entire media construction that depicts Americans as being “fatter” than everyone else is dishonesty. It’s a lie born of the insecurity those in countries like yours feel vis a vis America. You can be hypocritical and projectionist about health all you want, cherry-pick the information that confirms the anti-American biases you hold, and feverishly ignore any information that contradicts them.


Rubbish. Everyone notices American bread is sweet and sugary compared to everywhere else.

No, they don’t, and only true idiots push harder on a claim that is clearly hilariously biased, 100% evidence-less, logically unsound, wildly generalizing, and anecdotal. I could say the same exact thing about Australian bread with the amount of evidential credibility this anti-American meme has.

Someone posted this online because they thought they could get away with calling any and all American food unhealthy given the biases the Internet holds. It’s been copy-pasted ever since.


You don't have facts, you only have hysterical defensiveness and dishonesty

I left a post with links to epidemiological studies pertaining to body fat % per ethnic group per BMI, among other data, that has disproved your cliche, bigoted anti-Americanisms. YOU don’t have fact, YOU only have defensiveness and dishonesty, and anyone would realize it’s your responses that lack logic, fairness, and respect.



You calling anyone insecure is ironic, as most of your posts are hysterically calling anyone anti-American who doesn't say Americans are superior in every way.

I’m happy to entertain and engage in criticisms of the U.S. where they’re fair, unbiased, and accurate. Which none of this “unhealth propaganda” is. It’s an insurance scam first and foremost, and this is also advantageous to the economic and cultural protectionists in the EU.

The heavy anti-American bias that exists online - which actually facilitates the misuse (and the arbitrary manufacturing) of misleading data to smear American people, against all logic and sense of fairness, is indicative of a culture of insecurity vis a vis America that exists in countries outside of America. I mean, when you have Brazilians, South Africans, Mexicans, and Russians pretending they’re fitter and healthier than Americans - as a common generalization - what else can you call that but a massive, inferiority-complex-laden global delusion?

I think back to the futile attempt to pretend that the fit Mississippi farmers depicted in an earlier thread of mine, many of them downright skinny, were “fatter than any Europeans would be” (as one user put it). I immediately picked a couple of random crowd shots of much fatter Czech and Dutch farmers - fatter than any of the Mississippi farmers depicted in my photo set - and that put an end to that line of discussion.

I don’t know why this even became a comparison in the first place. Given all the pictures you can access of normal Australians on this website, they clearly do not look different from the white American population in any meaningful way in regards to weight. There are plenty of obese and overweight Australian kids in these pictures.

[Davystayn]

No, this indicates "Australian fast food outlets". America is not the birthplace of fast, unhealthy food. Australia's national diet has always consisted of unhealthy, starchy items, including significant beer consumption - this is why you are fat. Australia's national diet is easily more generalizably unhealthy than the American one. You had chip shops and fried sausages before "American" fast food came to your shores. As if fatness was invented by Americans.

"Obesity" increased (using BMI) with the advent of sedentary lifestyles/de-industrialization.



...fairy bread is a dish with its own Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_bread). There is no such thing as a "mayo sandwich" that is notably popular in America. Fairy bread is a symbol of the unhealthy food cultures of your country, plus some countries in Europe.



...No, hun. This is a stupid sentence, and a ridiculous claim. I guess I'll play along, though: if anything, it's the other way around. Australian processed bread has tons of glucose syrup in it compared to American bread, and is much more sugary. This is actually closer to the truth than your mindless anti-American nonsense. "Australia good, America bad", so glucose syrup must be healthy, right? Because it's not a processed sweetener America favors? "Rapeseed oil good, Canola oil bad", "why?", "because Europe good, America bad" - That's evidently as nuanced and un-biased as your thinking gets. "Our unhealthy stuff fine, your unhealthy stuff bad".

There is no "standard American bread" - America is a diverse economy with many different types and makers of bread for sale.

So, no, on all levels, you are wrong. You couldn't respond to all the facts I laid out in the post before this one, and so you threw a fit and insulted Americans. One would expect anti-American bigotry to be ban-worthy, but, it's too popular, I guess.

No American who can access a YouTube walking tour of an Australian city, or who knows basic facts about global food, health, and nutrition culture, would ever take the suggestion that Australians were healthier or "less fat" seriously. It is so strongly evident that that is not the case. The students in your photo certainly don't do anything to flatter the Australian image as to fatness. You have closer to the same high body fat per BMI situation that the Brits deal with, and your youth seriously lack in vigorous physical activity relative to American teens. But you'll continue to make false or unfalsifiable claims left, right, and center if it satisfies your Ameriphobic biases. Maybe learn to not deflect everything negative onto us. You'll look less insecure.

I may be wrong here but people do seem to eat out a lot more in the US than they do in Europe or Australia/NZ.

Unless people live in central London and can afford it, eating out in pubs or restaurants is a treat, maybe one a couple of times a month at most.

There seems to be a lot of restaurants everywhere in the US and people seem to eat out more. That may be incorrect though, is this a fair assessment?

I struggle to believe US teenagers are fitter and less obese than Australian teenagers. US does have a strong sporting culture too, I can guess there are the same number of overweight incels/neckbeards etc.

[hangh]

I may be wrong here but people do seem to eat out a lot more in the US than they do in Europe or Australia/NZ

…no, they don’t. Eating out is a cultural staple of countless European countries.


I struggle to believe US teenagers are fitter and less obese than Australian teenagers

1) Didn’t you respond to my thread saying that the American teens looked “fitter and healthier than Europeans”?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?372161-Place-Classify-these-groups-of-American-high-school-students/page2

I don’t think that Australian teens are necessarily less fit or more obese. I think the differences are relatively nebulous and insignificant, on the individual scale, between the two countries.

2) I’d assert that these comparisons aren’t worthwhile (as the WHO initially believed), because, in this particular case, America’s ethnic make up diverges significantly from Australia’s, and the incompatibility of the figures for comparison is only amplified when you consider that the NHANES survey’s sample population skews much poorer and more ethnic than the American average. Australia’s does not. People insist on making apples and oranges comparisons anyways, just because they satisfy the urge for stupid anti-Americanism. The media feeds this.

3) You’re using the term “obese” as shorthand for visible, unhealthy fatness, even though this is not, in actuality, what is meant when one mentions “overweight” or “obesity rates”, which are predicated on a 25 and 30 BMI cutoff value, respectively. An obesity cutoff value of 30 is misleadingly low, in that it overlaps with fit, muscled body types, and body types that have a healthier, more average balance of fat and muscle mass. There’s also the issue of these set cutoff values not translating cross-ethnically.

4) Americans have less body fat per the same BMI than white Europeans, and are much more physically active as teenagers than Australians and British people, according to the WHO.

[Davystayn]

Ok fair enough, can't speak for other European countries but in the UK people don't eat out that often, and if they do, they often dress up for it. Maybe I've watched too much Gordon Ramsay to come up with that conclusion.

Any stats are stats so on comparative obesity, fair enough, stand corrected.


One of the worse developments speaking from the UK at least is a rapid growth of fast food delivery services, meaning people don't even have to bother even going out. TV adverts are full of this now.

[Oliver109]

Ok fair enough, can't speak for other European countries but in the UK people don't eat out that often, and if they do, they often dress up for it. Maybe I've watched too much Gordon Ramsay to come up with that conclusion.

Any stats are stats so on comparative obesity, fair enough, stand corrected.


One of the worse developments speaking from the UK at least is a rapid growth of fast food delivery services, meaning people don't even have to bother even going out. TV adverts are full of this now.

It depends where in the UK, in London restaurants seem to be busy most evenings of the week, when visiting Glasgow and Leeds i was shocked to see how quiet some of the popular restaurants were on weekday nights.

[Creoda]

I may be wrong here but people do seem to eat out a lot more in the US than they do in Europe or Australia/NZ.

Unless people live in central London and can afford it, eating out in pubs or restaurants is a treat, maybe one a couple of times a month at most.

There seems to be a lot of restaurants everywhere in the US and people seem to eat out more. That may be incorrect though, is this a fair assessment?

I struggle to believe US teenagers are fitter and less obese than Australian teenagers. US does have a strong sporting culture too, I can guess there are the same number of overweight incels/neckbeards etc.
Like I said before, Australia has high obesity rates, but also very high sporting participation rates (paradoxically). I know that instinctively from living here.

https://globalwellnessinstitute.org/press-room/press-releases/physical-activity-billion-market/


Market size and the highest rates of recreational physical activity participation don’t often correlate, and the report looks at what percentage of the population of 150 nations regularly take part in sports and active recreation, fitness or mindful movement. Australia and Taiwan lead the world with 84 percent recreational physical activity participation rates. And when you compare the happiest nations from the 2019 World Happiness Report to the countries with the highest rates for recreational physical activity, there is very striking overlap: Fourteen nations make both top-20 lists, with Nordic countries such as Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Finland and Denmark all ranking in the top 10 for “happiest” and most physically active. The movement and “mood” connection seems powerful.

I) RECREATIONAL PHYSICAL ACTIVITY MARKETS

1) Sports & Active Recreation: $230 Billion

The sports and active recreation category generates two-thirds of all recreational physical activity spending because these activities are the most diverse, accessible, affordable and prevalent across every region and population group. Thirty-three percent of the world’s population regularly engages in sports and active recreation, spending $90/annually on average. The top five nations for participation are 1) Taiwan 2) Norway 3) New Zealand 4) Australia, and 5) Iceland—all seeing 75 percent or higher participation rates.
77% regular sporting participation/physical activity in Australia, compared to 54% in the UK and 52% in the US, according to this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JMS4D9Nx-qxokAkStZ-hJ9vCobphCVqWjZHSGsodlbE/edit#gid=0

[Davystayn]

It depends where in the UK, in London restaurants seem to be busy most evenings of the week, when visiting Glasgow and Leeds i was shocked to see how quiet some of the popular restaurants were on weekday nights.

I think London is a special case, people are more well off in general and have less time due to commuting etc so would eat out more plus tourists etc as well. Restaurants in Bristol are pretty much dead in the week.

[hangh]

I have ignored Creoda, but as for the students in question, they look incredibly British and Irish to me. Some look Dutch and Belgian.