Are the Berbers genetically Spanish?

[Creaticia]

would like to know if, aside from the Arab influence (~15%), the Berbers have Spanish ancestry.
What is the main genetic difference between these two ethnic groups?

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

hello Italicroots :thumb001:

[gixajo]

Part of the North African ancient genetics went to that area from Europe crossing the Iberian Peninsula, that is, the Iberians (especially, but also any European) and the North Africans, have a certain ancient shared base.

Apart from that, they will have more modern contributions, such as the Iberian contribution that would come with the Muslims who fled or were expelled from the Iberian Peninsula during and after the reconquest, who would largely be Iberian.

From the possibility that the Iberomaurissian due to the similarity of lithic tools had a relationship with similar cultures in Europe, to the arrival of part of the North African Neolithic contribution through the Strait of Gibraltar from the Iberian Peninsula, to commercial contacts from the age of Bronze, until belonging to the same administrative division or political entity, from Carthage, to the Roman Empire, to Byzantium, to the Hispanic Diocese in religious matters (the west North African coast was Christian until almost 700) to the Visigothic Kingdom, to the Muslim invasion ,Christian slaves, hostages of Barbary pirates, Spanish protectorate of Morocco etc...

This is more noticeable the further north and west of Morocco you go.

The Strait of Gibraltar is 14 km.

[Damião de Góis]

The differences are more than just 15% Arab. Maybe better question would be what is similar:

https://i.imgur.com/NLIc71B.png

Even the neolithic source is different.

[Leto]

The differences are more than just 15% Arab. Maybe better question would be what is similar:

https://i.imgur.com/NLIc71B.png

Even the neolithic source is different.
There's no way Algerian Berbers are 47% Black (Yoruba/Dinka), something is wrong with that.

[Petalpusher]

There's no way Algerian Berbers are 47% Black (Yoruba/Dinka), something is wrong with that.

And with almost 20% Taforalt on top of that. Some Algerians are that SSA but it's rare and not the average. This sample is mulatto really.

[Touijer]

Spanish ancestry would imply a Spanish haplogroup and you can find people with DF-27 or U-152 so yes.

[Flashball]

And with almost 20% Taforalt on top of that. Some Algerians are that SSA but it's rare and not the average. This sample is mulatto really.

Taforalt are 20% subsaharian related.

[Damião de Góis]

I wasn't picky and chose the first Berber sample. But you're right and it's clear that this sample is different, even if it's supposed to be an average of several individuals.
Either way, my initial point still stands:

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

[Jambudvīpa]

I wasn't picky and chose the first Berber sample. But you're right and it's clear that this sample is different, even if it's supposed to be an average of several individuals.
Either way, my initial point still stands:

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

this guy is a Kabyle (which is a berber/amazigh tribe) from Algeria, he doesn't even look remotely black. 124319

[PaulieVanZant]

Lul wat? You seriously trying to compare Gayrabs to Europeans?

[Petalpusher]

I wasn't picky and chose the first Berber sample. But you're right and it's clear that this sample is different, even if it's supposed to be an average of several individuals.
Either way, my initial point still stands:

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

I guess you used Grace's sample from the other thread but yeah north African neolithic element is rather east med shifted, red sea etc... in Eurogene terms if we can call it that. Tepecik is a more CHG/Iran_N anatolian element compared to Barcin, it prefers it here with that much references acting as communicating vases.


this guy is a Kabyle (which is a berber/amazigh tribe) from Algeria, he doesn't even look remotely black. 124319

Berber is more a linguistic group, they can be very different ethnically. You can easily bump in Algeria people who are visibly SSA mixed on occasion but Kabyles like Zidane are never more than 10-15%, and maybe even less on the coast east of Alger, which is a real unique sub ethnic group of NA as opposed to "Berbers"

[thatoneton]

I wasn't picky and chose the first Berber sample. But you're right and it's clear that this sample is different, even if it's supposed to be an average of several individuals.
Either way, my initial point still stands:

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

Your Spanish also looks not average. Too little North African admixture, which is found at the bigger proportion usually:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/NorthAfricanAdmixtureIberianPeninsula.jpg

Truth be told it indeed looks like you were picky, choosing a less than average African-admixed Spanish and half-black (percentage-wise) North African for a comparison.

[Damião de Góis]

Your Spanish also looks not average. Too little North African admixture, which is found at the bigger proportion usually:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/NorthAfricanAdmixtureIberianPeninsula.jpg

Truth be told it indeed looks like you were picky, choosing a less than average African-admixed Spanish and half-black (percentage-wise) North African for a comparison.

I chose the region i thought was the most average spanish region, it's literaly in the center. What is your polish opinion about which spanish region is the most average? If i had to choose a polish region for anything i would be a little lost.

[Leto]

this guy is a Kabyle (which is a berber/amazigh tribe) from Algeria, he doesn't even look remotely black. 124319
And this guy is half Catalan Spanish half Algerian and I can clearly see the nigger in him :icon_lol:
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/121490.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlène_Guedioura

[Abaddon]

Your Spanish also looks not average. Too little North African admixture, which is found at the bigger proportion usually:

Modern North africans are almost half Taforalt, thats why those values appear in G25, btw this makes more sense than including their entire genetics, including the neolithic side, which is already present in european populations.

[Damião de Góis]

If using Castilla La Mancha to represent spaniards hurts polack feelings, then i guess i could use Castilla Y Leon. The point i was making is still the same:

https://i.imgur.com/mqkG7hV.png

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Spanish ancestry would imply a Spanish haplogroup and you can find people with DF-27 or U-152 so yes.

This is retarded. That you can find some Berbers with a 'Spanish haplogroup' doesn't mean the Berbers as a group have any significant Spanish ancestry. Individual cases don't define a whole group.

What a shocker that someone who believes the Earth is flat says other stupid shit.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

This is retarded. That you can find some Berbers with a 'Spanish haplogroup' doesn't mean the Berbers as a group have any significant Spanish ancestry. Individual cases don't define a whole group.

What a shocker that someone who believes the Earth is flat says other stupid shit.

I honestly don't have patience for stupid people anymore.

https://i.postimg.cc/nr38qmxc/Screenshot-2023-11-03-7-40-29-PM.png

So apparently, all those other populations are also genetically Spanish because of a haplogroup...

2023 and we still we get the same type of nonsense you'd hear in 2007.

[Touijer]

This is retarded. That you can find some Berbers with a 'Spanish haplogroup' doesn't mean the Berbers as a group have any significant Spanish ancestry. Individual cases don't define a whole group.

What a shocker that someone who believes the Earth is flat says other stupid shit.

When did I imply a whole group? As per usual people unable to read.

[Touijer]

I honestly don't have patience for stupid people anymore.

https://i.postimg.cc/nr38qmxc/Screenshot-2023-11-03-7-40-29-PM.png

So apparently, all those other populations are also genetically Spanish because of a haplogroup...

2023 and we still we get the same type of nonsense you'd hear in 2007.

Most people with DF-27 are in Iberia & South America which almost always implies an Iberian ancestor, it’s a good tool to know this. The DF-27 mutation appeared in iberia and is Iberian. There’s a good saying that it’s usually stupid people that call others stupid and this saying applies perfectly here

[Friends of Oliver Society]

When did I imply a whole group? As per usual people unable to read.

This is the question being asked:

"Are the Berbers genetically Spanish?"

This was your response.


Spanish ancestry would imply a Spanish haplogroup and you can find people with DF-27 or U-152 so yes.

Do I need to give you lessons in English?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Most people with DF-27 are in Iberia & South America which almost always implies an Iberian ancestor, it’s a good tool to know this. The DF-27 mutation appeared in iberia and is Iberian. There’s a good saying that it’s usually stupid people that call others stupid and this saying applies perfectly here

A haplogroup can appear first in a different region and, because of expansion later exist at higher rates elsewhere, including where the mutation occurred. However, that's beside the point: to claim those French, English, etc. that are DF-27 have Spanish ancestry simply because they are DF-27 implies the person making the claim is retarded.

[Eurafricanid]

No.

[Touijer]

A haplogroup can appear first in a different region and, because of expansion later exist at higher rates elsewhere, including where the mutation occurred. However, that's beside the point: to claim those French, English, etc. that are DF-27 have Spanish ancestry simply because they are DF-27 implies the person making the claim is retarded.

That would still mean he had a Spanish ancestor down the line genius, this is the most stupidest argument I’ve heard all week. You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing you’re points make no sense

[Friends of Oliver Society]

That would still mean he had a Spanish ancestor down the line genius, this is the most stupidest argument I’ve heard all week.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean they have a 'Spanish' ancestor. You did not understand what I said and I assumed you wouldn't because you're retarded. I'm not going to hold your hand.


You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing you’re points make no sense

People with double-digit IQs don't understand people with triple-digit IQs. See the below for example:

https://i.postimg.cc/HWMC660X/Screenshot-2023-11-03-8-40-44-PM.png

[Touijer]

No, it doesn't necessarily mean they have a 'Spanish' ancestor. You did not understand what I said and I assumed you wouldn't because you're retarded. I'm not going to hold your hand.



People with double-digit IQs don't understand people with triple-digit IQs. See the below for example:

https://i.postimg.cc/HWMC660X/Screenshot-2023-11-03-8-40-44-PM.png

Alright Einstein you’re right and I’m wrong, hope that makes you sleep at night

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Alright Einstein you’re right and I’m wrong, hope that makes you sleep at night

What would allow me to sleep at night is knowing society will take steps to ensure you don't breed. What good is being right if a hundred years from now your descendants are fucking everything up? Until something is done, I can't sleep peacefully.

[thatoneton]

Modern North africans are almost half Taforalt, thats why those values appear in G25, btw this makes more sense than including their entire genetics, including the neolithic side, which is already present in european populations.

Maybe it makes sense then.


PS To answer to what you wrote to me: everyone can be interested in whatever they find interesting.

[thatoneton]

I chose the region i thought was the most average spanish region, it's literaly in the center. What is your polish opinion about which spanish region is the most average? If i had to choose a polish region for anything i would be a little lost.
Okay, it just looked less than average. This one from Leon could pass.

Depends what would you want to look at it Poland, I guess. Genetics, geography, politics etc.

[Damião de Góis]

Okay, it just looked less than average. This one from Leon could pass.


Is it though? I actually made an average of all spanish regions (minus some extra regions and not including basques) just to check and it averages to 3%. The La Mancha sample is 2.8% so i was pretty close, while the Castilla Y Leon sample is above average by 2%.
Would this average hurt your polack feelings as well? Or was i being too picky by using an actual average?

https://i.imgur.com/qmsFNLG.png

[thatoneton]

Is it though? I actually made an average of all spanish regions (minus some extra regions and not including basques) just to check and it averages to 3%. The La Mancha sample is 2.8% so i was pretty close, while the Castilla Y Leon sample is above average by 2%.

Again, I may have been wrong. Good thing you admitted to having been wrong with your initial Berber sample, because this way I can admit an error on my part just as well, despite my Alpha male dominant position being somewhat shaken in the process. :D


Would this average hurt your polack feelings as well? Or was i being too picky by using an actual average?
Thank God, it would not.

[Damião de Góis]

Again, I may have been wrong. Good thing you admitted to having been wrong with your initial Berber sample, because this way I can admit an error on my part just as well, despite my Alpha male dominant position being somewhat shaken in the process. :D


Thank God, it would not.

Actually i made a mistake on the spanish regions now. They are too many and i included some i shouldn't by mistake.
Here is the corrected average of all spanish regions (minus the Canaries and Madrid). The Basque Country is part of Spain so included it, if i remove it NA increases by 0.2%

The average is around 3% with or without the Basque Country, so i wasn't far off by using Castilla La Mancha with 2.8%. It doesn't change my previous conclusion but still, i prefer to leave the numbers right.

https://i.imgur.com/J9SnatL.png

https://i.imgur.com/PLKfn5O.png

[Abaddon]

PS To answer to what you wrote to me: everyone can be interested in whatever they find interesting.

And why do you find it interesting? For trolling purposes, pole?
:laugh:


Again, I may have been wrong. Good thing you admitted to having been wrong with your initial Berber sample, because this way I can admit an error on my part just as well, despite my Alpha male dominant position being somewhat shaken in the process. :D

Thats why i always says nobody should give their opinions if dont dominate the subject.

[thatoneton]

And why do you find it interesting? For trolling purposes, pole?
:laugh:
I have no particular interest with any part of Europe over any other one - except for Central Europe (for obvious reasons).
And I don't attack people for taking an interest in something. So, who's trolling here?


Thats why i always says nobody should give their opinions if dont dominate the subject.
Hope you "dominate" the Iberian Peninsula topics, since you're in here just as well, talking about it, at the same time living outside of it.

[thatoneton]

Actually i made a mistake on the spanish regions now. They are too many and i included some i shouldn't by mistake.
Here is the corrected average of all spanish regions (minus the Canaries and Madrid). The Basque Country is part of Spain so included it, if i remove it NA increases by 0.2%

The average is around 3% with or without the Basque Country, so i wasn't far off by using Castilla La Mancha with 2.8%. It doesn't change my previous conclusion but still, i prefer to leave the numbers right.

https://i.imgur.com/J9SnatL.png

https://i.imgur.com/PLKfn5O.png

Okay, makes sense.

[Abaddon]

So, who's trolling here?
You've a great potential on this, dont be so rethorical :laugh:



Hope you "dominate" the Iberian Peninsula topics, since you're talking about while living outside of it.
Unlike you, i have minor ancestry from there, its clear now?

[thatoneton]

You've a great potential on this, dont be so rethorical :laugh:
Whatever.




Unlike you, i have minor ancestry from there, its clear now?
Still, you don't live there, so same situation.
And being on a site calling itself "a European Cultural Community", it's only fitting one takes interest in all of Europe and what's related to Europe.

[Abaddon]

Still, you don't live there, so same situation.
And being on a site calling itself "a European Cultural Community", it's only fitting one takes interest in all of Europe and what's related to Europe.
Whatever you say, its still pretty strange to see someone from poland interested in the most polemic subject from a specific ethnicity, normally a troll trait :D

[Jingle Bell]

May they got some Iberian/European Crusader recent ancestry by the expulsion of moriscos with some European ancestry, but for sure its a very small number, Iberians and North Africans clust very very very far from each others.

[Jingle Bell]

May they got some Iberian/European Crusader recent ancestry by the expulsion of moriscos with some European ancestry, but for sure its a very small number, Iberians and North Africans clust very very very far from each others.

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They score virtually no recent Euro.

[Beowulf]

Fast model:

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Expansion_Period_Arab:Arabian*(Umayyad*Period):Lev ant_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity:syr013__AD_715__u nknown_coverage,0.078538,0.152329,-0.065619,-0.124679,-0.000615,-0.051316,-0.015746,-0.016845,0.067288,0.00328,0.012342,-0.039265,0.070317,0.00812,0.002714,0.020684,-0.041853,0.008868,0.002514,0.036643,0.017844,0.019 043,-0.001849,0.00976,-0.013891
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-2__AD_340__Coverage_64.31%,0.083091,0.145221,-0.050911,-0.085595,-0.003077,-0.029841,-0.00564,-0.003923,0.008795,0.005285,-0.001461,-0.013488,0.007582,-0.009083,-0.011808,0.014585,0.002738,0.002914,0.000377,-0.001876,0.002371,0.005564,-0.000863,-0.002289,-0.007544
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-4__AD_544__Coverage_47.85%,0.092197,0.141159,-0.055437,-0.081073,-0.020927,-0.031236,-0.00752,-0.006231,0.006545,0.021868,0.002923,-0.01154,0.014866,-0.000688,-0.016015,0.022673,0.010822,-0.000887,0.005656,0,0.003244,0.008408,0.002218,0.0 06627,-0.003952
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-7__AD_323__Coverage_68.39%,0.092197,0.145221,-0.064865,-0.086564,-0.014772,-0.0251,-0.00658,-0.011769,-0.000409,0.005467,0.003248,-0.006744,0.012785,0.002752,-0.007057,0.008618,-0.009909,-0.005068,0.00729,0.001251,-0.001123,0.002844,-0.006655,-0.010363,0.001317
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-12__AD_425__Coverage_23.05%,0.087644,0.147252,-0.050534,-0.089148,-0.007694,-0.026774,-0.010105,-0.008538,0.015748,0.016037,0.007795,-0.013788,0.017096,-0.000138,-0.007465,-0.008486,0.007041,0.00038,-0.003268,0.00963,-0.001872,0.006801,-0.008997,0.006507,-0.011017
Roman_Portugal:(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_We st_Conimbriga:R10487,0.117238,0.142174,0.04714,0.0 10659,0.044931,0.000837,0.00705,0.001385,0.026588, 0.025149,-0.001786,0.01124,-0.017096,-0.0139,0.010858,0.013922,0.010822,0.001014,-0.000251,0.01038,0.00861,0.000247,-0.002711,-0.010965,0.002994
Roman_Portugal::(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_W est_Conimbriga:R10488,0.108132,0.152329,0.051288,0 .006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.005077,0.03681 4,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.022745,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053,-0.006025,-0.002874
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:TUN _Kerkouane_IA:R11759,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:AUT _Wels:R10667__AD_171__Coverage_85.35%,-0.022765,0.14319,-0.011691,-0.077843,0.02185,-0.02761,-0.022561,0.000231,0.055221,0.017495,0.002761,-0.003597,0.011893,-0.008808,0.012079,-0.010872,0.009648,-0.01799,-0.039343,0.006753,-0.007612,-0.027327,0.020336,0.001325,0.002634
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:Can ary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
SSA:West_African_Niger-Congo:Igbo,-0.63058,0.0639785,0.0214955,0.018088,0.001385,0.01 10165,-0.0314915,0.0406135,-0.0452,0.0336225,0.004141,-0.0014235,0.0178395,0.002477,0.0050895,-0.0049725,0.0082795,0.0041805,0.0030795,0.001563,-6.25e-05,0.000371,-0.0025885,0.001145,-0.0024545
SSA:Central-West_African_Niger-Congo:Tikar_South,-0.6283035,0.064486,0.01961,0.0172805,0.000154,0.01 3805,-0.0143355,0.0265375,-0.0338485,0.0219595,0.0061705,-0.003447,0.0026755,-0.001445,-0.000611,0.0035135,0.0001955,-0.00019,0.00044,0.0013755,-0.000811,-0.0014835,-0.001171,-0.001265,-0.0002395
SSA:East_African_Niger-Congo:Luhya_Kenya,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0 .0039763,0.0006671
SSA:East_African_Nilo-Saharan:Masai,-0.4390726,0.0761646,-0.0113606,-0.0358126,-0.0048085,-0.0186506,-0.0065801,0.0041826,0.0979414,-0.089979,-0.0168479,0.005826,-0.0256252,-0.001187,0.0118755,-0.0181648,0.022915,-0.0056376,0.0184462,-0.0199158,-0.0011699,-0.0001235,-0.0053612,-0.0033435,0.0049845
SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara,-0.225939,0.1062921,-0.0355122,-0.0828136,0.000718,-0.0389362,-0.0142315,-0.001064,0.1039208,-0.0634689,-0.0014526,-0.0132382,0.0176081,0.0010857,0.0225899,-0.0128095,0.0076927,0.0021256,0.0060754,0.0024317, 0.0041801,0.006691,-0.0030949,0.0037353,-0.0019691
SSA:Central_African_Hunter-Gatherers:Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
SSA:Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San,-0.6220435,0.060424,0.02093,0.030039,-0.0004615,0.000837,0.236773,-0.1823,0.0185095,0.0067425,0.00203,-0.053952,-0.0211845,0.005505,0.018797,-0.0212805,0.029662,0.2623085,-0.0877375,0.001751,-0.0331915,-0.002844,0.0038205,-0.0050005,0.0016765
SSA:Southern_African_Niger-Congo:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0200% / 0.02001329
51.3 Roman_Portugal
27.0 Germanic
13.3 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant
8.4 Slavic

[Jingle Bell]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0200% / 0.02001329
51.3 Roman_Portugal
27.0 Germanic
13.3 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant
8.4 Slavic

Damn viking! what a lot of Slav, do u have recent East euro ancetsry?

[Beowulf]

Damn viking! what a lot of Slav, do u have recent East euro ancetsry?

1/16 Polish but by disgrace i don't know from wich region :( it comes from my maternal grandma:

Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0151% / 0.01511847
64.3 Roman_Portugal
26.8 Slavic
8.9 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant

[Jingle Bell]

1/16 Polish but by disgrace i don't know from wich region :( it comes from my maternal grandma:

Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0151% / 0.01511847
64.3 Roman_Portugal
26.8 Slavic
8.9 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant

Damn! very interesting, she usualy scores more Baltic or Slavic?

[Beowulf]

Damn! very interesting, she usualy scores more Baltic or Slavic?

Depends on the samples i think but i'll say she scores both in different G25 models.


but if i add finnish on the other hand...

Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0128% / 0.01282224
64.0 Roman_Portugal
15.2 Finnish_Central
10.7 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant
10.1 Slavic


her case is weird, i only know that she have polish ancestry from an unknown region but she have close dna matches with finns and balts and one finnish match have her paternal surname, is the only match that i could find with her surname. According to a relative my grandma's Y-DNA would also be N1 very interesting for sure.

[Gallop]

would like to know if, aside from the Arab influence (~15%), the Berbers have Spanish ancestry.
What is the main genetic difference between these two ethnic groups?

Are you feeling all right? ;)

[Kess]

Fast model:

Expansion_Period_Arab:Arabian*Peninsula:Arabian*(U mayyad*Period):Levant_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity :syr005__AD_717__unknown_coverage,0.055773,0.15131 4,-0.045254,-0.12048,-0.005847,-0.058846,-0.014571,-0.007154,0.064016,0.010934,0.024358,-0.018733,0.061843,-0.000275,0.014522,0.017634,-0.032726,-0.011909,0.001131,0.032641,0.023334,0.015828,-0.009737,-0.000602,-0.011496
Expansion_Period_Arab:Arabian*(Umayyad*Period):Lev ant_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity:syr013__AD_715__u nknown_coverage,0.078538,0.152329,-0.065619,-0.124679,-0.000615,-0.051316,-0.015746,-0.016845,0.067288,0.00328,0.012342,-0.039265,0.070317,0.00812,0.002714,0.020684,-0.041853,0.008868,0.002514,0.036643,0.017844,0.019 043,-0.001849,0.00976,-0.013891
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-2__AD_340__Coverage_64.31%,0.083091,0.145221,-0.050911,-0.085595,-0.003077,-0.029841,-0.00564,-0.003923,0.008795,0.005285,-0.001461,-0.013488,0.007582,-0.009083,-0.011808,0.014585,0.002738,0.002914,0.000377,-0.001876,0.002371,0.005564,-0.000863,-0.002289,-0.007544
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-4__AD_544__Coverage_47.85%,0.092197,0.141159,-0.055437,-0.081073,-0.020927,-0.031236,-0.00752,-0.006231,0.006545,0.021868,0.002923,-0.01154,0.014866,-0.000688,-0.016015,0.022673,0.010822,-0.000887,0.005656,0,0.003244,0.008408,0.002218,0.0 06627,-0.003952
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-7__AD_323__Coverage_68.39%,0.092197,0.145221,-0.064865,-0.086564,-0.014772,-0.0251,-0.00658,-0.011769,-0.000409,0.005467,0.003248,-0.006744,0.012785,0.002752,-0.007057,0.008618,-0.009909,-0.005068,0.00729,0.001251,-0.001123,0.002844,-0.006655,-0.010363,0.001317
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-12__AD_425__Coverage_23.05%,0.087644,0.147252,-0.050534,-0.089148,-0.007694,-0.026774,-0.010105,-0.008538,0.015748,0.016037,0.007795,-0.013788,0.017096,-0.000138,-0.007465,-0.008486,0.007041,0.00038,-0.003268,0.00963,-0.001872,0.006801,-0.008997,0.006507,-0.011017
Roman_Portugal:(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_We st_Conimbriga:R10487,0.117238,0.142174,0.04714,0.0 10659,0.044931,0.000837,0.00705,0.001385,0.026588, 0.025149,-0.001786,0.01124,-0.017096,-0.0139,0.010858,0.013922,0.010822,0.001014,-0.000251,0.01038,0.00861,0.000247,-0.002711,-0.010965,0.002994
Roman_Portugal::(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_W est_Conimbriga:R10488,0.108132,0.152329,0.051288,0 .006137,0.057549,0.006136,0.00094,0.005077,0.03681 4,0.033167,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.022745,-0.007019,0.016422,-0.005834,-0.009648,0.005954,0.004651,0.002626,0.00287,0.0044 51,-0.005053,-0.006025,-0.002874
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:TUN _Kerkouane_IA:R11759,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.032621,-0.039602,-0.033607,0.009923,0.090604,0.031345,0.011367,-0.012289,0.026164,-0.015689,0.025515,-0.017369,0.00013,-0.026985,-0.055559,0.007504,-0.013476,-0.045257,0.023294,-0.014098,0.012334
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:AUT _Wels:R10667__AD_171__Coverage_85.35%,-0.022765,0.14319,-0.011691,-0.077843,0.02185,-0.02761,-0.022561,0.000231,0.055221,0.017495,0.002761,-0.003597,0.011893,-0.008808,0.012079,-0.010872,0.009648,-0.01799,-0.039343,0.006753,-0.007612,-0.027327,0.020336,0.001325,0.002634
Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:Can ary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
SSA:West_African_Niger-Congo:Igbo,-0.63058,0.0639785,0.0214955,0.018088,0.001385,0.01 10165,-0.0314915,0.0406135,-0.0452,0.0336225,0.004141,-0.0014235,0.0178395,0.002477,0.0050895,-0.0049725,0.0082795,0.0041805,0.0030795,0.001563,-6.25e-05,0.000371,-0.0025885,0.001145,-0.0024545
SSA:Central-West_African_Niger-Congo:Tikar_South,-0.6283035,0.064486,0.01961,0.0172805,0.000154,0.01 3805,-0.0143355,0.0265375,-0.0338485,0.0219595,0.0061705,-0.003447,0.0026755,-0.001445,-0.000611,0.0035135,0.0001955,-0.00019,0.00044,0.0013755,-0.000811,-0.0014835,-0.001171,-0.001265,-0.0002395
SSA:East_African_Niger-Congo:Luhya_Kenya,-0.5978967,0.063688,0.0171859,0.007106,-1e-07,0.0058569,-0.0145036,0.0188894,0.0045287,-0.0215819,-0.0050573,0.015993,-0.0328754,0.0011991,-0.0304013,0.0267264,-0.0180303,-0.0024431,-0.009948,0.0047167,0.0016934,0.0001946,0.0034157,0 .0039763,0.0006671
SSA:East_African_Nilo-Saharan:Masai,-0.4390726,0.0761646,-0.0113606,-0.0358126,-0.0048085,-0.0186506,-0.0065801,0.0041826,0.0979414,-0.089979,-0.0168479,0.005826,-0.0256252,-0.001187,0.0118755,-0.0181648,0.022915,-0.0056376,0.0184462,-0.0199158,-0.0011699,-0.0001235,-0.0053612,-0.0033435,0.0049845
SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara,-0.225939,0.1062921,-0.0355122,-0.0828136,0.000718,-0.0389362,-0.0142315,-0.001064,0.1039208,-0.0634689,-0.0014526,-0.0132382,0.0176081,0.0010857,0.0225899,-0.0128095,0.0076927,0.0021256,0.0060754,0.0024317, 0.0041801,0.006691,-0.0030949,0.0037353,-0.0019691
SSA:Central_African_Hunter-Gatherers:Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
SSA:Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San,-0.6220435,0.060424,0.02093,0.030039,-0.0004615,0.000837,0.236773,-0.1823,0.0185095,0.0067425,0.00203,-0.053952,-0.0211845,0.005505,0.018797,-0.0212805,0.029662,0.2623085,-0.0877375,0.001751,-0.0331915,-0.002844,0.0038205,-0.0050005,0.0016765
SSA:Southern_African_Niger-Congo:Bantu_S.E.,-0.6293153,0.0637527,0.0201969,0.0178368,-0.0011624,0.0094514,0.0293503,-0.0129994,-0.0214296,0.0114607,0.0024178,-0.007793,-0.0111991,0.0022937,-0.009817,0.0063643,-0.0051864,0.0603178,-0.0249161,0.0034739,-0.0041872,-0.0009891,0.0023414,0.0010041,-0.0004392

https://i.imgur.com/LsGdx2l.png

They score virtually no recent Euro.

Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.10872978 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-7__AD_323__Coverage_68.39%
0.11156521 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-4__AD_544__Coverage_47.85%
0.11170018 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-2__AD_340__Coverage_64.31%
0.11848068 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant:(BC*50–AD*700):Roman*Lev ant:Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-12__AD_425__Coverage_23.05%
0.14563849 Roman_Portugal:(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_We st_Conimbriga:R10487
0.16310976 Roman_Portugal::(AD*260–500):Roman*Iberia:Iberia_W est_Conimbriga:R10488
0.19612956 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:AUT _Wels:R10667__AD_171__Coverage_85.35%
0.19882552 Expansion_Period_Arab:Arabian*Peninsula:Arabian*(U mayyad*Period):Levant_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity :syr005__AD_717__unknown_coverage
0.20735708 Expansion_Period_Arab:Arabian*(Umayyad*Period):Lev ant_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity:syr013__AD_715__u nknown_coverage
0.22463629 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:Can ary_Islands_Guanche
0.26646154 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Berber:*(760–540*BC):Berber:TUN _Kerkouane_IA:R11759
0.37222342 SSA:East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.56809740 SSA:East_African_Nilo-Saharan:Masai
0.70982451 SSA:East_African_Niger-Congo:Luhya_Kenya
0.73878289 SSA:Central-West_African_Niger-Congo:Tikar_South
0.74202429 SSA:Southern_African_Niger-Congo:Bantu_S.E.
0.74360857 SSA:West_African_Niger-Congo:Igbo
0.84066157 SSA:Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San
0.92764980 SSA:Central_African_Hunter-Gatherers:Mbuti

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 8.9410% / 0.08940954
64.2 Pre_Arab_Expansion_Levant
34.6 Roman_Portugal
1.2 SSA

First time I'm scoring SSA in a calculator.