Can we assign an average IQ for every autosomal admixture to calculate a population IQ ?

[tita]

Supposing a population has several autosomal admixtures, if we assign an average iq to each other then we could calculate the population average iq.

Example : 50%whg + 50%EEF if we assign an iq of 105 to whg and 100 to eef then we would get an average iq of 102.5...

Can we do that ? Would we get a precise result ?

[true_southron]

No

[tita]

No

Why ?

I read studies showing that a child from one parent white and the other black would have a average iq between white iq and black iq, so why would not it be true for autosomal admixtures too ?

[true_southron]

Why ?

I read studies showing that a child from one parent white and the other black would have a average iq between white iq and black iq, so why would not it be true for autosomal admixtures too ?

First of, you need to understand IQ =/= intellligence. Second, you need to believe that IQ can actually measure intelligence (IQ is made for academic potential of children in strict sciences, its over 100 years old methodology, just dated, like human taxonomy). Lastly, EEFs built modern civilization while WHGs were eating mud.

[Petalpusher]

Why ?

I read studies showing that a child from one parent white and the other black would have a average iq between white iq and black iq, so why would not it be true for autosomal admixtures too ?

It works this way with consistency indeed, even Afro Americans are exactly above native African's IQ in the same proportion of their white admixture in the US. If you had the average IQ for each ancestral euro group you could, but we don't have that and never will. They shouldn't be significantly different anyway since most of Europe is in the same ballpark wether south or north, for example Italy is a bit higher than Denmark, and besides a few oddities like Ireland and some eastern countries most countries are around 100 on average, it doesn't seem to be relevant with ancient european admixture. Even Israel is just somewhere between europe and the middle east as it should since they are that autosomally, contrary to popular belief jews are much more intelligent, only the Ashkenazi in the West are but it's a sub elitist group. So yeah you could predict an average IQ based on national mixes, no more no less.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcyodt8XEAE65PF.jpg:large

[gixajo]

:(

Intelligence is an individual quality.

The qualities of a group are not equal to the average of the individual qualities of that group.

IMO, the most notable case of an individual factor related to high intelligence that negatively affects the optimal functioning of a group is precisely the opposite tendency toward gregariousness.

Hey, you can relate what you say if you want, but any conclusion you draw from doing such a thing would be wrong.

So I would say that such a thing should not be done.

:)

[Grace O'Malley]

It works this way with consistency indeed, even Afro Americans are exactly above native African's IQ in the same proportion of their white admixture in the US. If you had the average IQ for each ancestral euro group you could, but we don't have that and never will. They shouldn't be significantly different anyway since most of Europe is in the same ballpark wether south or north, for example Italy is a bit higher than Denmark, and besides a few oddities like Ireland and some eastern countries most countries are around 100 on average, it doesn't seem to be relevant with ancient european admixture. Even Israel is just somewhere between europe and the middle east as it should since they are that autosomally, contrary to popular belief jews are much more intelligent, only the Ashkenazi in the West are but it's a sub elitist group. So yeah you could predict an average IQ based on national mixes, no more no less.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcyodt8XEAE65PF.jpg:large

If those IQ results are correct why do they not translate to the population having reached a certain level of educational attainment? The reason being some of the results about nations IQ results are erroneous. When were the tests conducted and by who? Are they current? Something is obviously not correct in those IQ results.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/1/17/Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png/900px-Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png

Also PISA results.

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/7104.jpeg

https://russellwarne.com/2022/12/17/irish-iq-the-massive-rise-that-never-happened/

There are numerous other results which I could post to show that there is something odd with those IQ results for Ireland in particular. How is Ireland performing better academically than populations that apparently have higher IQ?

[HectorOfTroy]

Supposing a population has several autosomal admixtures, if we assign an average iq to each other then we could calculate the population average iq.

Example : 50%whg + 50%EEF if we assign an iq of 105 to whg and 100 to eef then we would get an average iq of 102.5...

Can we do that ? Would we get a precise result ?

Why would EEF have a lower IQ than whg that makes no sense. EEF invented civilization lil bro quit coping

[Abti]

Why would EEF have a lower IQ than whg that makes no sense. EEF invented civilization lil bro quit coping

Did not the Western Hunter Gatherers subdue the Farmer incursion later on though. WHG were definitely intelligent.

[Petalpusher]

If those IQ results are correct why do they not translate to the population having reached a certain level of educational attainment? The reason being some of the results about nations IQ results are erroneous. When were the tests conducted and by who? Are they current? Something is obviously not correct in those IQ results.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/1/17/Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png/900px-Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png

Also PISA results.

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/7104.jpeg

https://russellwarne.com/2022/12/17/irish-iq-the-massive-rise-that-never-happened/

There are numerous other results which I could post to show that there is something odd with those IQ results for Ireland in particular. How is Ireland performing better academically than populations that apparently have higher IQ?

I wouldn't completely equate level of education with intelligence or even PISA which is gonna be a bit biased with the education system since it's not entirely an IQ test but more like competency in a field, also now mudded by various immigraiton levels. Qatar is rich and educated for obvious reasons, yet the least intelligent MENA in a real IQ test. Regardless i mentionned Ireland is the odd one in here, either bad sampling or something. I can't remember if it's consistent in other IQ reports, and frankly i don't care, it's not the point of the argument.

In the big picture the reverse though is demonstratively correct, humanity's IQ translate in GDP as it's a transversal line and this has been demonstrated numerous times in studies. Countries are not dumb because they are poor, they are poor because they are dumb. On average, not individually obviously, since it apparently has to be subtitled in order for people to not curb and rock themselves in tears with that fact.

[Grace O'Malley]

I wouldn't completely equate level of education with intelligence or even PISA which is gonna be a bit biased with the education system since it's not entirely an IQ test but more like competency in a field, also now mudded by various immigraiton levels. Qatar is rich and educated for obvious reasons, yet the least intelligent MENA in a real IQ test. Regardless i mentionned Ireland is the odd one in here, either bad sampling or something. I can't remember if it's consistent in other IQ reports, and frankly i don't care, it's not the point of the argument.

In the big picture the reverse though is demonstratively correct, humanity's IQ translate in GDP as it's a traversal line and this has been demonstrated numerous times in studies. Countries are not dumb because they are poor, they are poor because they are dumb. On average, not individually obviously, since it apparently has to be subtitled in order for people to not curb and rock themselves in tears with that fact.

I linked an article above which show how the Irish IQ score was flawed.


Finally, this analysis shows that the idea of a meteoric rise in Irish IQ during the 20th century is incorrect. The average Irish IQ has likely been close or equal to the mean British IQ for decades. Irish IQ is an interesting topic in its own right, but it probably has no relevance to discussion of large group differences in IQ.

Even looking at GDP Ireland is 2nd in Europe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/European_countries_by_GDP_nominal_per_capita_%2820 21%29.svg

Anyway it's obvious Ireland does not have a lower IQ than her neighbours. Irish children in Britain do better than English children academically as well.

https://i.imgur.com/XmKXahn.png

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/a-to-c-in-english-and-maths-gcse-attainment-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

It is pretty difficult to dispute that there is something wrong with that IQ result.

[Petalpusher]

I linked an article above which show how the Irish IQ score was flawed.



Even looking at GDP Ireland is 2nd in Europe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/European_countries_by_GDP_nominal_per_capita_%2820 21%29.svg

Anyway it's obvious Ireland does not have a lower IQ than her neighbours. Irish children in Britain do better than English children academically as well.

https://i.imgur.com/XmKXahn.png

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/a-to-c-in-english-and-maths-gcse-attainment-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest

It is pretty difficult to dispute that there is something wrong with that IQ result.

Ireland is a tax heaven in the European context, if anything it's a testimony against socialism with a few culprits. But i agree i don't see any reason Ireland would be any significantly different IQ wise than UK.

[Grace O'Malley]

Ireland is a tax heaven in the European context, if anything it's a testimony against socialism with a few culprits. But i agree i don't see any reason Ireland would be any significantly different IQ wise than UK.

Ireland is no more a tax haven than other European countries. They are nearly all "tax havens" one way or another. Search for Tax Havens Europe and you will see Ireland is not unique.

https://johanneslarsson.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-International-Tax-Competitiveness-Index-Rankings-in-Europe-2021-Global-Tax-Competitiveness-Rankings-2021-Global-Tax-Rankings-in-OECD-Global-Tax-1-1024x988.png

https://johanneslarsson.com/blog/european-tax-havens/

https://www.expensivity.com/european-tax-havens/

[Petalpusher]

Ireland is no more a tax haven than other European countries. They are nearly all "tax havens" one way or another. Search for Tax Havens Europe and you will see Ireland is not unique.

https://johanneslarsson.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2021-International-Tax-Competitiveness-Index-Rankings-in-Europe-2021-Global-Tax-Competitiveness-Rankings-2021-Global-Tax-Rankings-in-OECD-Global-Tax-1-1024x988.png

https://johanneslarsson.com/blog/european-tax-havens/

https://www.expensivity.com/european-tax-havens/

It's a corporate tax heaven, just not so much for the general population. The proof is all the tech companies settle there in Europe, it's a combination of very low corporate tax (12.5%) which is lower than even Germany, and of course more educated/skilled worforce in comparison to other countries. For example Hungary, more skilled, better infrastructure, the English language, etc..

[HectorOfTroy]

Did not the Western Hunter Gatherers subdue the Farmer incursion later on though. WHG were definitely intelligent.

That doesn't necessarily mean intelligence could just mean brute force and/or numbers. Using who invaded who is a bad argument. Are arabs smarter than Iranics then? Iranics who are literally the cradle of civilization.

[Kess]

Simply, no because IQ is not solely genetic related. Mongolia has a 91.03 IQ average whereas China has 104.10. Both countries are East Asian genetically.

[Demirkazık]

Simply, no because IQ is not solely genetic related. Mongolia has a 91.03 IQ average whereas China has 104.10. Both countries are East Asian genetically.

Mongolians differ from Chinese genetically.

[Kess]

Mongolians differ from Chinese genetically.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9596793/#:~:text=of%20Fuxin%20Mongolians.-,We%20found%20that%20Fuxin%20Mongolians%20had%20a% 20close%20genetic%20relationship,Tungusic%20speake rs%20in%20East%20Asia.

[Demirkazık]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9596793/#:~:text=of%20Fuxin%20Mongolians.-,We%20found%20that%20Fuxin%20Mongolians%20had%20a% 20close%20genetic%20relationship,Tungusic%20speake rs%20in%20East%20Asia.

Inner Mongolians differ from Outer Mongolians genetically. The sampled Mongolians are from Fuxin and are neither Outer nor Inner Mongolians.

[DomitiusAurelian]

Simply, no because IQ is not solely genetic related. Mongolia has a 91.03 IQ average whereas China has 104.10. Both countries are East Asian genetically.

Çok götten sallıyorsun bazen, haberin olsun.

[Kess]

Çok götten sallıyorsun bazen, haberin olsun.

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

[Kess]

Mongolians differ from Chinese genetically.

In general, we found our Manchus and Mongolians are genetically similar to the Hmong-Mien–speaking populations and Han Chinese in South China.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8258170/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20we%20found%20our,Han%20 Chinese%20in%20South%20China.&text=Results%20of%20model%2Dbased%20ADMIXTURE,K%3A %209%E2%80%9314).

[DomitiusAurelian]

In general, we found our Manchus and Mongolians are genetically similar to the Hmong-Mien–speaking populations and Han Chinese in South China.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8258170/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20we%20found%20our,Han%20 Chinese%20in%20South%20China.&text=Results%20of%20model%2Dbased%20ADMIXTURE,K%3A %209%E2%80%9314).

Her Çinli ve her Moğol aynı değil. Ek olarak dediğin şey Türk-Gürcü-Yunan-Ermeni genetik olarak aynıdır çünkü West Asian demek gibi bir şey

[Kess]

Her Çinli ve her Moğol aynı değil. Ek olarak dediğin şey Türk-Gürcü-Yunan-Ermeni genetik olarak aynıdır çünkü West Asian demek gibi bir şey

Tabikii bir Çinli ile Moğol genetik olarak aynı değil ancak bu demek değil ki Çinli ile Moğol birbirine genetik ve kültürel olarak uzak. Moğolların büyük çoğunluğu Çin'in İç Moğolistan eyaletinde yaşıyor zaten. Aynı zamanda Moğolların çoğu budist.

[Demirkazık]

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country


In general, we found our Manchus and Mongolians are genetically similar to the Hmong-Mien–speaking populations and Han Chinese in South China.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8258170/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20we%20found%20our,Han%20 Chinese%20in%20South%20China.&text=Results%20of%20model%2Dbased%20ADMIXTURE,K%3A %209%E2%80%9314).


Her Çinli ve her Moğol aynı değil. Ek olarak dediğin şey Türk-Gürcü-Yunan-Ermeni genetik olarak aynıdır çünkü West Asian demek gibi bir şey


Tabikii bir Çinli ile Moğol genetik olarak aynı değil ancak bu demek değil ki Çinli ile Moğol birbirine genetik ve kültürel olarak uzak. Moğolların büyük çoğunluğu Çin'in İç Moğolistan eyaletinde yaşıyor zaten. Aynı zamanda Moğolların çoğu budist.

Agam makale diye salt doğru olacak diye bir şey yok, bizim ünilerden çıkmış başka bir makalede hem sampling hatalıydı hem de sonuç yanlıştı. Düşünüyor musun ki Anadolu Türkleri Tuscan bölgesindeki İtalyanlarla yakın çıkıyor ?
Hem attığın bu makaleyi (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8258170/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20we%20found%20our,Han%20 Chinese%20in%20South%20China.&text=Results%20of%20model-based%20ADMIXTURE,K%3A%209–14) inceledim, makalede Moğollar diye bahsederken Mongol Bijie örnekliyor sadece. Başlığı yanlış makalenin la..
Bijie nerde biliyon mu ? Şiçuan'ın güneyinde, Myanmarın götünde kalıyor!!! Tabi Hmong-Mienlere yakın çıkar. :lmao

Hulunbuir, İç Moğolistan, Bijie, Liaoning, Guizhou vs. Moğolları genetik olarak Xinjianglı, Baykallı ve Dış Moğolistandaki Moğollardan farklı.

[Kess]

Hulunbuir, İç Moğolistan, Bijie, Liaoning, Guizhou vs. Moğolları genetik olarak Xinjianglı, Baykallı ve Dış Moğolistandaki Moğollardan farklı.

Bence beni yanlış anladınız. Japon, Moğol, Koreli, Han Çinlisi elbette birbirinden farklı şimdi mesela bunların aralarına Tacikleri atalım. Distance calculatorda bunların hepsi Tacik'e en uzak birbirine ise çok daha yakın çıkar. Mesela Çinli vs Tacik calculator yapalım. Japonlar,Koreli,Moğollar açık ara farkla Çinli'ye yakın çıkar. Bence en güzeli Kazak vs Çinli yapıp bir Moğol'u ölçmek hangisine yakın çıkar merak ediyorum.

[tita]

Why would EEF have a lower IQ than whg that makes no sense. EEF invented civilization lil bro quit coping

Following those 3 maps :

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Also watching at PISA scores :

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We can see first that countries with more EEF have worst PISA score than those with less EEF, PISA score which is correlated to IQ
And countries with lesser EEF have more WHG and ANE so...

Also Estonia has the highest PISA score in Europe and has also the highest level of WHG

In fact EEF should even be considered bellow 100 to fit the data on the map

[Demirkazık]

Bence beni yanlış anladınız. Japon, Moğol, Koreli, Han Çinlisi elbette birbirinden farklı şimdi mesela bunların aralarına Tacikleri atalım. Distance calculatorda bunların hepsi Tacik'e en uzak birbirine ise çok daha yakın çıkar. Mesela Çinli vs Tacik calculator yapalım. Japonlar,Koreli,Moğollar açık ara farkla Çinli'ye yakın çıkar. Bence en güzeli Kazak vs Çinli yapıp bir Moğol'u ölçmek hangisine yakın çıkar merak ediyorum.

Agam asıl sen beni yanlış anlıyorsun :lmao


Distance to: Mongolian
0.01213665 Kalmyk
0.02167284 Mongol_Xinjiang
0.03112781 Buryat
0.05545194 Kazakh_China
0.05803008 Mogush
0.06599573 Khamnegan
0.06799208 Mongol_Inner_Mongolia
0.08370761 Mongol_IMAR
0.09416624 Kazakh_Xinjiang
0.09841898 Kazakh_Russia_Omsk
0.11668872 Kazakh
0.13584330 Mongola
0.13619711 Nivkh
0.18200781 Han_Shanxi
0.18868343 Han_Henan
0.19299240 Han_Shandong
0.20546045 Han_Shanghai
0.20818186 Han_Jiangsu
0.21343601 Han_Sichuan
0.21475628 Han_Zhejiang
0.21673638 Han_Guizhou
0.21674159 Han_Hubei
0.22529061 Mongol_Bijie
0.30030451 Turkmen
0.36086325 Tajik_Hisor



Distance to: Demirkazık_scaled
0.02404465 Turkish_Antalya
0.06725570 Turkmen_Golestan
0.06751036 Circassian
0.11066340 Turkmen
0.15055162 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.15815458 Scottish
0.24249104 Yukagir_Forest

Benimle Yukagirler arasında olduğu kadar fark var Moğollarla Çinlilerin arasında, o zaman ben Yukagirlerle aynıyım.

PS: Bijieli Moğollar düşündüğümden de uzakmış normal Moğollara, şöyle bakınca Çinliler bile daha yakın ahhaha.

[Boudin]

I read studies showing that a child from one parent white and the other black would have a average iq between white iq and black iq, so why would not it be true for autosomal admixtures too ?

IQ is only 80% genetic, and the other 20% regresses toward the mean. To account for this, subtract 100 from the average parental IQ, multiply it by 0.8, and add it back to 100 (or subtract it from 100, if it was below 100).

So 110 regresses down to 108, and 90 regresses up to 92, both toward 100.

But of course, this is just their children's predicted average IQ, and is inaccurate for a single child. It becomes more accurate the more children they have, and the more you know about the parents' parents' IQ, etc., because the children's IQ will regress toward their average ancestral IQ, not necessarily toward 100.


I wouldn't completely equate level of education with intelligence or even PISA which is gonna be a bit biased with the education system since it's not entirely an IQ test but more like competency in a field, also now mudded by various immigraiton levels. Qatar is rich and educated for obvious reasons, yet the least intelligent MENA in a real IQ test.

All tests are "real" IQ tests, if you grade them on the proper curve. There's no such thing as a "fake" IQ test.

[Melkiirs]

All tests are "real" IQ tests, if you grade them on the proper curve. There's no such thing as a "fake" IQ test.

Not every test can be standardized and ascribe to a bell curve. Asking to add single digits or to recite a national alphabet forward which most people have memorized would give approximately the same response in over a very wide range of cognitive ability. The distribution would be quite flat.

[Ibericus]

This is based on actual IQ test, not on academic performance. If somebody has the time, he can do a correlation matrix of EEF, WHG and Steppe , but I don't see any correlation, there is a lot more going on than that: you have Rome and Lisbon above Oslo or Copenhagen , and for Paris at the bottom we know the reason , so:

https://d3i71xaburhd42.cloudfront.net/5872cc6c0570a4dab3b026e161f9d6410dc7c1f2/1-Table1-1.png

[Richmondbread]

If those IQ results are correct why do they not translate to the population having reached a certain level of educational attainment? The reason being some of the results about nations IQ results are erroneous. When were the tests conducted and by who? Are they current? Something is obviously not correct in those IQ results.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/1/17/Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png/900px-Edu_attainment_2022_V4.png

Also PISA results.

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/7104.jpeg

https://russellwarne.com/2022/12/17/irish-iq-the-massive-rise-that-never-happened/

There are numerous other results which I could post to show that there is something odd with those IQ results for Ireland in particular. How is Ireland performing better academically than populations that apparently have higher IQ?

Canada?.... really??

[rothaer]

[Quote tita: I read studies showing that a child from one parent white and the other black would have a average iq between white iq and black iq, so why would not it be true for autosomal admixtures too ?]

IQ is only 80% genetic, and the other 20% regresses toward the mean. To account for this, subtract 100 from the average parental IQ, multiply it by 0.8, and add it back to 100 (or subtract it from 100, if it was below 100).

So 110 regresses down to 108, and 90 regresses up to 92, both toward 100.

But of course, this is just their children's predicted average IQ, and is inaccurate for a single child. It becomes more accurate the more children they have, and the more you know about the parents' parents' IQ, etc., because the children's IQ will regress toward their average ancestral IQ, not necessarily toward 100.



Exactly (the bold) and an important aspect for the understanding. Btw. the regress towards the mean is also "genetic".

Considering that tita's quote refer to averages it should be essentially applicable (left aside peculiarities of dominance and recessiveness that may make the average of the mixtures, particularly first degree ones, not behave symetrically in between the parent pops).

[rothaer]

This is based on actual IQ test, not on academic performance. If somebody has the time, he can do a correlation matrix of EEF, WHG and Steppe , but I don't see any correlation, there is a lot more going on than that: you have Rome and Lisbon above Oslo or Copenhagen , and for Paris at the bottom we know the reason , so:

https://d3i71xaburhd42.cloudfront.net/5872cc6c0570a4dab3b026e161f9d6410dc7c1f2/1-Table1-1.png

As for such old contributions as WHG, ENF, CHG, EHG etc. I consider it pointless to connect them with a particular IQ average (albeit they will have exhibited differences, ofc.).

Why?

Because since these times the various mixed by them populations have experienced so much additional evolution (selections, genetic drifts), that these effects dwarf the importance of the mean IQ of the source populations 10 ky ago. All of these source populations will in their gene pool have provided also genetics for higher intelligence.

[Ugo]

As for such old contributions as WHG, ENF, CHG, EHG etc. I consider it pointless to connect them with a particular IQ average (albeit they will have exibited differences, ofc.).

Why?

Because since these times the various mixed by them populations have experienced so much additional evolution (selections, genetic drifts), that these effects dwarf the importance of the mean IQ of the source populations 10 ky ago. All of these source populations will in their gene pool have provided also genetics for higher intelligence.
The fact is that mainly the women of the EEF have gone to the north and east. Women are hardly the smartest part of humanity. Therefore, northern and eastern Europe got its intelligence from the Yamnaya culture and ehg. Southern Europe from the eef. It is not known which of them is smarter.

[Boudin]

Not every test can be standardized and ascribe to a bell curve. Asking to add single digits or to recite a national alphabet forward which most people have memorized would give approximately the same response in over a very wide range of cognitive ability. The distribution would be quite flat.

The issue with these examples is they aren't even tests, unless you're testing how many examinees are still breathing. It is easy to come up with pointless counterexamples of this nature, like a test with only a single item that asks, "If I flip this coin, will it lands heads or tails?"

By the way, I'm confident there is little in this thread that hasn't already been done to death by https://substack.com/@kirkegaard.

[Flashball]

Ireland is a tax heaven in the European context, if anything it's a testimony against socialism with a few culprits. But i agree i don't see any reason Ireland would be any significantly different IQ wise than UK.

Because they don't have a low IQ
https://russellwarne.com/2022/12/17/irish-iq-the-massive-rise-that-never-happened/

[HectorOfTroy]

Canada?.... really??

Apparently our Math requirements in High School is pretty intensive. My teacher said that if we even manage to pass our Grade 12 Math class that we would be considered above average, this was not an AP class or anything. I mean, there are alot less flat earthers in Canada than America, so...