Traveller Genes

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm interested in this one and it is being conducted by the University of Edinburgh.

They are basically trying to find out the origin of Scottish Travellers and their connection to these groups.

Irish Travellers, Romanichal or Romany, or Welsh Kale.


We're looking for people who have at least two grandparents who are or were Travellers. This includes Scottish Travellers, Irish Travellers, Romanichal or Romany, or Welsh Kale. Traveller Genes aims to recruit 200-400 people to:


Identify the genetic origins and relationships of the Scottish Traveller community e.g. Highland Travellers, Lowland Travellers, Borders Romanichal Travellers
Work out how Scottish Travellers relate to each other, to the Irish Travellers and English Gypsies, as well as the “settled” Scottish and neighbouring populations
Understand overall patterns of health, disease and genetic risk factors in the Traveller community.


https://traveller-genes.ed.ac.uk/about-us/what-is-traveller-genes

I'll keep an eye out for this study and post when it is available.

https://i.imgur.com/RvX1iZU.png

https://i.imgur.com/scjZgW0.png

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2021/study-seeks-to-better-understand-traveller-heritag

[Tradra]

Aren't Brittish Travellers and Romanichal two distinct ethnic groups where in Travellers are natives? That's my understanding, though there has probably been interbreeding.

[Grace O'Malley]

Aren't Brittish Travellers and Romanichal two distinct ethnic groups where in Travellers are natives? That's my understanding, though there has probably been interbreeding.

Yes they would have a different origin. There has been an Irish Traveller genetic study done and this is a flow on from that. Irish Travellers are not related to Roma as most people would be aware but are just a group of people that are Irish but have diverged from the Irish population approximately 340 to 400 years ago and have kept to themselves. Something of interest which might come out from this study is that in the Irish Traveller community cystic fibrosis is virtually absent while in the Irish population it is one of the most commonest genetic diseases. So the Irish Traveller diverging from the settler community escaped this disease. So I wonder when this was introduced into Ireland? Anyway some interesting things pop up from these studies.

It will be interesting to see how the Scottish Travellers are related to the Irish Travellers. Also Romanichal are a lot more mixed with British Isles than Roma. They are English gypsies. So this study should be interesting.

[Tradra]

I guess that would make Irish Travellers like a genetic snapshot of the Irish population some hundred years ago which is interesting. Also I think the Romanisæl came partially or fully from the Romanichal from Brittain which explains why my family is lighter than the southern European Roma.

This is the migration pattern that is known.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Movimiento_gitano.jpg
https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1500x1500/16922.png.webp?v=1697607846

[The_Strategist]

Travellers are total scum, they are more violent than your average Gypsies

[Grace O'Malley]

I guess that would make Irish Travellers like a genetic snapshot of the Irish population some hundred years ago which is interesting. Also I think the Romanisæl came partially or fully from the Romanichal from Brittain which explains why my family is lighter than the southern European Roma.

This is the migration pattern that is known.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Movimiento_gitano.jpg
https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1500x1500/16922.png.webp?v=1697607846

Hopefully this study will look into Romanichal also. From reading a little about this study it looks like it will look at some other gypsy/Traveller groups. Jim Wilson said also some surname study on Travellers would be interesting to see if they are related to settlers with the same surnames. I think Irish Travellers now would have drifted a lot from the general Irish population so the best way to look at populations is to have genomes from different periods to see what they were like and if the population now has changed. This is the way they study population genomics now. More of these studies should be coming out in the future.

[Grace O'Malley]

Travellers are total scum, they are more violent than your average Gypsies

Some have undesirable behaviours but like any group there are good and bad. Some Travellers are to be admired and should be an example to other Travellers. As a group though I think they need to start sending their children to school and give them a good education. The way many Travellers live keeps them in poverty and some of their scamming behaviour will not make them popular.

I treat people how I find them and try not to have too many preconceived ideas about them although it can be difficult to not be prejudiced. I've found good people in every population and yes there are good people in very marginalised groups.

[The_Strategist]

Some have undesirable behaviours but like any group there are good and bad. Some Travellers are to be admired and should be an example to other Travellers. As a group though I think they need to start sending their children to school and give them a good education. The way many Travellers live keeps them in poverty and some of their scamming behaviour will not make them popular.

I treat people how I find them and try not to have too many preconceived ideas about them although it can be difficult to not be prejudiced. I've found good people in every population and yes there are good people in very marginalised groups.

You have good thinking but I just couldn't resist to comment based on experiences from people close to me they had in Ireland. Typical Balkan Roma are beggars and scammers but rarely dangerous. Travellers though seem properly violent. There is barely any foreign crime in Ireland because they control it all. Yet they face much less discrimination compared to Roma because they look white. From what I heard they like to attack random people on the street and brawl, something classic Gypsies rarely do.

[Grace O'Malley]

You have good thinking but I just couldn't resist to comment based on experiences from people close to me they had in Ireland. Typical Balkan Roma are beggars and scammers but rarely dangerous. Travellers though seem properly violent. There is barely any foreign crime in Ireland because they control it all. Yet they face much less discrimination compared to Roma because they look white. From what I heard they like to attack random people on the street and brawl, something classic Gypsies rarely do.

Yes they are a different group than Roma with some similarities in history but differences also. Some of the best Irish boxers for example are from the Traveller community. They have a history of bare knuckle boxing so I don't think they are adverse to using their fists. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQzYnbljZ9Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfzxz7asbZs

[Grace O'Malley]

There is a very good podcast here about this study by Dr Jim Wilson but it also gives a good overview about Britain and Ireland.

https://media.ed.ac.uk/media/Research%20Insights%20%7C%20Traveller%20genes:%20g enetics%20&%20ancestry/1_lgke2jh8?fbclid=IwAR1TmWzr_znUy83Er7apxN79zv6-stYT76stCCqnylci6V9-Tdeyxnk1d3E

[Grace O'Malley]

After listening to the podcast above I think the Scottish Travellers will not be related to Irish Travellers due to the differences in language. Samantha Donaldson who is a Scottish Traveller said that the language Scottish Travellers spoke had some Romany words and that she could not understand Irish Traveller language. Irish Travellers speak Cant and Gammon (Shelta). She was saying the language that Scottish Travellers speak is called Cant also (that's interesting that it is the same name as one of the Irish Traveller languages so possibly some connection) but she couldn't understand Irish Traveller language. So I'm basing it on that but I could be wrong and will be looking forward to the study. Jim Wilson thought the study would be available in early 2023 so hopefully it will come out within the next few months.

[Graham]

Have a small bit of Traveller ancestry in my tree, on my great grandads side. The one side that I struggle to find dna connections with, which might mean less testers on that side.

Hope they get enough data.

[Gallop]

I found some travelers on Facebook, they posted their Gedmatch kit numbers without any prejudice and I got results with them, especially with a certain Margaret, I posted it here once.

[Grace O'Malley]

I found some travelers on Facebook, they posted their Gedmatch kit numbers without any prejudice and I got results with them, especially with a certain Margaret, I posted it here once.

Do you have their Gedmatch results or link where I can get them? I'd be interested in seeing what they get although I'd guess they are just like any other Irish person.

[Tauromachos]

Travellers are total scum, they are more violent than your average Gypsies

Thats true they do alot of fighting but its also true that their origins are native and not from Romani people.

A systemic study on their genes would be interesting however as it could reveal how much they have mixed with the British Romani people or if they have remained isolated from other traveling people ( like Romanichals) despite the similarities in lifestyle.

There is quite confusion in real life because in England almost everyone gets just called Gypsy Traveller or Traveller who comes from a travelling peoples community who maintain a nomadic way of life regardless if his origins are from Roma or from native nomadic people.

Its hardly comparable to Gypsies in the Balkans because in the Balkans, Gypsies are called only people who are Roma and alot of Roma in the Balkans are not following a nomadic way of life for centuries anymore.

[Mortimer]

Im interested if any of the traveller groups have some roma ancestry, or a little bit, like maybe the scottish traveller, the welsh kale etc.?

[Gallop]

Do you have their Gedmatch results or link where I can get them? I'd be interested in seeing what they get although I'd guess they are just like any other Irish person.

These are the results I got and some also from my father with the numbers of kits that they themselves published on some Facebook site a few years ago.

Their Gedmatch kit numbers are listed here. I've deleted my kit number hehe

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[Gallop]

Result of the K13 of one of these travellers that I have published above.


Kit Num: A115523


1 North_Atlantic 43.50
2 Baltic 21.85
3 West_Med 15.35
4 East_Med 6.12
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Northeast_African 1.49


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 2.926279
2 West_German @ 3.640847
3 French @ 7.681197
4 Southeast_English @ 7.926310
5 North_German @ 8.915004
6 Southwest_English @ 9.433719
7 Orcadian @ 9.826163
8 Danish @ 10.089133
9 North_Dutch @ 10.138277
10 Austrian @ 10.834632
11 Irish @ 10.850017
12 West_Scottish @ 11.391232
13 East_German @ 12.276030
14 Norwegian @ 12.732787
15 Swedish @ 13.348268
16 Hungarian @ 15.968770
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.332605
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.042635
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.394964
20 Portuguese @ 17.507673

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 2.666961


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_German @ 1.996296


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_German + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 1.996296
2 North_German + North_German + South_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.040795
3 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.151836
4 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.161981
5 Danish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.165607
6 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.210064
7 Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.227662
8 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.229698
9 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Portuguese @ 2.239099
10 North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.249162
11 French + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.256351
12 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.257654
13 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.262525
14 Hungarian + Irish + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 2.265855
15 North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish + West_German @ 2.271988
16 Austrian + Danish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.279128
17 Austrian + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.287891
18 Hungarian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.290787
19 North_German + North_German + Portuguese + South_Dutch @ 2.295367
20 Hungarian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.300692

Done.

Elapsed time 0.6744 seconds.

[Grace O'Malley]

Result of the K13 of one of these travellers that I have published above.


Kit Num: A115523


1 North_Atlantic 43.50
2 Baltic 21.85
3 West_Med 15.35
4 East_Med 6.12
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Northeast_African 1.49


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 2.926279
2 West_German @ 3.640847
3 French @ 7.681197
4 Southeast_English @ 7.926310
5 North_German @ 8.915004
6 Southwest_English @ 9.433719
7 Orcadian @ 9.826163
8 Danish @ 10.089133
9 North_Dutch @ 10.138277
10 Austrian @ 10.834632
11 Irish @ 10.850017
12 West_Scottish @ 11.391232
13 East_German @ 12.276030
14 Norwegian @ 12.732787
15 Swedish @ 13.348268
16 Hungarian @ 15.968770
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.332605
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.042635
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.394964
20 Portuguese @ 17.507673

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 2.666961


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_German @ 1.996296


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_German + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 1.996296
2 North_German + North_German + South_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.040795
3 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.151836
4 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.161981
5 Danish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.165607
6 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.210064
7 Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.227662
8 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.229698
9 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Portuguese @ 2.239099
10 North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.249162
11 French + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.256351
12 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.257654
13 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.262525
14 Hungarian + Irish + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 2.265855
15 North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish + West_German @ 2.271988
16 Austrian + Danish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.279128
17 Austrian + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.287891
18 Hungarian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.290787
19 North_German + North_German + Portuguese + South_Dutch @ 2.295367
20 Hungarian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.300692

Done.

Elapsed time 0.6744 seconds.

That doesn't look like an Irish result. I'll check the others when I have some time.

[Grace O'Malley]

You have good thinking but I just couldn't resist to comment based on experiences from people close to me they had in Ireland. Typical Balkan Roma are beggars and scammers but rarely dangerous. Travellers though seem properly violent. There is barely any foreign crime in Ireland because they control it all. Yet they face much less discrimination compared to Roma because they look white. From what I heard they like to attack random people on the street and brawl, something classic Gypsies rarely do.

A Slovakian Roma in Ireland has been convicted of a very high profile murder of a young Irish teacher. He has a life sentence and will be deported back to Slovakia when he has served his sentence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12733543/Pictured-Ashling-Murphy-killer-Jozef-Puska-murder.html

[Coastal Elite]

I've come to understand the Travellers as being completely different from Eastern European Roma. That is why it is strange that my uncle got 1% Eastern European Roma on Ancestry. I suspect it could be noise, who knows. The next update might tell the story.

https://i.imgur.com/5EHXiJP.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

I've come to understand the Travellers as being completely different from Eastern European Roma. That is why it is strange that my uncle got 1% Eastern European Roma on Ancestry. I suspect it could be noise, who knows. The next update might tell the story.

https://i.imgur.com/5EHXiJP.jpg

Most probably noise if there is no family history that you can account for it. Also the fact that he is 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland shows it is noise. It's like how I get 2.8% Ashkenazi on MyHeritage.

[J. Ketch]

Most probably noise if there is no family history that you can account for it. Also the fact that he is 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland shows it is noise. It's like how I get 2.8% Ashkenazi on MyHeritage.
MyHeritage is an absolute joke though. I haven't seen Irish people getting small non-European percentages in recent years on Ancestry, so I'd be more inclined to believe it.

[Mortimer]

MyHeritage is an absolute joke though. I haven't seen Irish people getting small non-European percentages in recent years on Ancestry, so I'd be more inclined to believe it.

It might debatable if it is non-european it is 80% westerneurasian or even more like 15% AASI and it is 60% european 40% modern southasian, and Ancestry includes it in the European category, look at the map, the roma component is in europe on the map. Similar as jewish, is european on 23andme.

[Mortimer]

It might debatable if it is non-european it is 80% westerneurasian or even more like 15% AASI and it is 60% european 40% modern southasian, and Ancestry includes it in the European category, look at the map, the roma component is in europe on the map. Similar as jewish, is european on 23andme.

Independent of what others say, I find it interesting what the Roma themselfes say. I asked in a Serbian Roma group. Because it could be possible that Roma do not even self-identify as Europeans. Right? It is a interesting question whether Roma are Europeans or not.

I wrote:
Good morning. Are Roma Europeans or not? Many Racists from all over Europe claim that Roma are not European. From a Genetic point of view "Roma Origin" is 80 or 85% Westerneurasian and maybe 15% Aborginal Ancestral Southindian. On genetic tests, people who are 100% Roma are 60% from some European countries like Greece, Cyprus and so on and 40% from somewhere in modern South Asia like India, and so on, and the Middle East like Iran, Anatolia and so on. Ancestry.com grouped the Roma into Europe, when you look at the map, the Roma are marked in the Balkans and Central Eastern Europe, and even the Roma DNA component itself was called "Eastern European Roma".
Do we Roma understand ourselves as Europeans? I think I'm European, what do the rest of you think?
My Results from Ancestry.com

https://youtu.be/684EC3OPf1g


Im curious what they will say, the other Roma will say, I said I think im a European

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2617274645177011

[rothaer]

Travellers are total scum, they are more violent than your average Gypsies

A "classical liberal" view. ;)

[Grace O'Malley]

MyHeritage is an absolute joke though. I haven't seen Irish people getting small non-European percentages in recent years on Ancestry, so I'd be more inclined to believe it.

Without any Balkans or some Eastern European amount? I doubt it is accurate.

[Mortimer]

Without any Balkans or some Eastern European amount? I doubt it is accurate.

There are words in the english language which are of proper roma/indo-aryan origin like there are many words, so the british did came in contact with real roma, maybe they just mixed so much that it is not recognisable, or the travellers and the real roma mixed etc.

otherwise we could not explain the language and words, if it has nothing all to do with roma or the real roma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Romani_origin

[Grace O'Malley]

There are words in the english language which are of proper roma/indo-aryan origin like there are many words, so the british did came in contact with real roma, maybe they just mixed so much that it is not recognisable, or the travellers and the real roma mixed etc.

otherwise we could not explain the language and words, if it has nothing all to do with roma or the real roma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Romani_origin

Fully Irish like this result are not likely to have Roma so to me it is obviously not real and will most like disappear on updates. When I initially got Ancestry I did get 1% European Jewish and other stuff like Scandinavian but they have all disappeared. Some things come and go with updates. The best way is looking at your family tree but just the combination of 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland with 1% Roma would point to the Roma being noise. If there was some Eastern European or if some of the family like Daco was Romanian it would be more likely to be real. Common sense and knowing how these things work would say this isn't a real result. Is he the only family member with it? Has parents tested and have they got it? That would clear it up. However with MyHeritage my mother also gets Ashkenazi but due to my family history and also having tested with other companies I know it is inaccurate. I think anything under 5% is something not to be taken too seriously if it doesn't make sense with your known ancestry. If I got Ashkenazi with 23&Me and even with Ancestry then I would definitely take it seriously. If Daco's relative has the Roma on other platforms and it shows up with other family members then it could be something interesting to check out.

[Mortimer]

Fully Irish like this result are not likely to have Roma so to me it is obviously not real and will most like disappear on updates. When I initially got Ancestry I did get 1% European Jewish and other stuff like Scandinavian but they have all disappeared. Some things come and go with updates. The best way is looking at your family tree but just the combination of 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland with 1% Roma would point to the Roma being noise. If there was some Eastern European or if some of the family like Daco was Romanian it would be more likely to be real. Common sense and knowing how these things work would say this isn't a real result. Is he the only family member with it? Has parents tested and have they got it? That would clear it up. However with MyHeritage my mother also gets Ashkenazi but due to my family history and also having tested with other companies I know it is inaccurate. I think anything under 5% is something not to be taken too seriously if it doesn't make sense with your known ancestry. If I got Ashkenazi with 23&Me and even with Ancestry then I would definitely take it seriously. If Daco's relative has the Roma on other platforms and it shows up with other family members then it could be something interesting to check out.

I do not talk about this specific person but about Roma in the British Isles in General. You seem to denie there is anything roma about anyone in the British Isles (except maybe the new commers and immigrants from places like romania and slovakia).

[Grace O'Malley]

I do not talk about this specific person but about Roma in the British Isles in General. You seem to denie there is anything roma about anyone in the British Isles (except maybe the new commers and immigrants from places like romania and slovakia).

No I don't seem to deny anything of the sort. I'm just saying that 1% Roma like this doesn't appear likely. I'm discussing this particular result not everyone in the British Isles.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just to make it clear Romanichal could very well be descended from Roma populations. It is in fact highly likely. It is also possible the Scottish Travellers could have some genuine Roma ancestry unlike Irish Travellers due to them having some Romany words in their language. I'm just saying getting 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland and 1% Roma seems highly unlikely especially in the case of Daco's cousin who is just of Irish heritage. There will be Isles people with Roma ancestry especially in the UK where there has been a longer history of Roma.

[Mortimer]

Just to make it clear Romanichal could very well be descended from Roma populations. It is in fact highly likely. It is also possible the Scottish Travellers could have some genuine Roma ancestry unlike Irish Travellers due to them having some Romany words in their language. I'm just saying getting 90% Ireland and 9% Scotland and 1% Roma seems highly unlikely especially in the case of Daco's cousin who is just of Irish heritage. There will be Isles people with Roma ancestry especially in the UK where there has been a longer history of Roma.

Welsch kale might have some genuine roma ancestry too the word kale is of roma origin and means black

[Gallop]

In the forum that they closed, they said that from a result of 1 it was not considered noise but a result.

[J. Ketch]

Without any Balkans or some Eastern European amount? I doubt it is accurate.
I imagine Balkan/East Euro would be hidden in the Balkan Roma percentage, just as the European is hidden in 'Jewish'.

[Petalpusher]

Any clue in these studies they might look at other traveller communities in Europe? Manouche/Gitans communities here are believed to be part German Jenische or at least highly from Alsace but i wonder how true this is.

They range from this to completely gypsy looking


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRChs2M8fvk

[Gallop]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Jenische_D%C3%B6rfer_und_Lebensr%C3%A4ume_in_Europ a.png/800px-Jenische_D%C3%B6rfer_und_Lebensr%C3%A4ume_in_Europ a.png

It is assumed that the different groups of travellers in Europe have been meeting the gypsies along the way, in Spain it happens with the mercheros who are exactly like the native Spanish population but they always believed that they were not, now it is known that they are.

[Tauromachos]

I believe the Kale and Romanichals are the real Romani people native to Britain, the Travellers from Scotland or Ireland are not Romani
but may have some influence from Romani people in their genetics and their culture maybe too.