Classify Early European Farmers Reconstruction

[Kess]

124429

They look Spanish/Iberian to me.

[Oliver109]

I can see them passing well in France too, gracile med-alpine

[Gallop]

More French than Spaniards, I would say; although they could fit in Spain, they would lack Atlantic, which decreases in intensity as you go eastwards.

[Kess]

I can see them passing well in France too, gracile med-alpine

Yeah they resemble French too.

[Jingle Bell]

Gracile-Med

[Abti]

Atlanto-Med.

[ecptr]

They look suspiciously attractive.

I trust Wikipedia more.

This is a reconstruction of Early European Farmers from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers#Physical_appearance

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Homo_sapiens_-_Neolithic_-_reconstruction_-_MUSE.jpg

[Oliver109]

They look suspiciously attractive.

I trust Wikipedia more.

This is a reconstruction of Early European Farmers from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers#Physical_appearance

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Homo_sapiens_-_Neolithic_-_reconstruction_-_MUSE.jpg

Alpine-cro magnon

[ecptr]

Alpine-cro magnon

Do you find the couple posted by OP suspiciously attractive, like AI generated images?

[true_southron]

I trust Wikipedia more.

Are you trolling?

[Oliver109]

Do you find the couple posted by OP suspiciously attractive, like AI generated images?

They look like regular Europeans, i don't know why neolithic people were uglier

[ecptr]

Are you trolling?

No, I genuinely trust Wikipedia. It's a well-moderated website that provides sources for everything.

[Katarzyna]

They look like regular Europeans, i don't know why neolithic people were uglier

Agree, they look more European than WHG and Yamnaya

[rothaer]

Agree, they look more European than WHG and Yamnaya

Actually it has to be kept in mind that those ENF were a population that was formed in Western Anatolia (and likely also in Greece) and that a big contributor was a migration from the Balkans to Anatolia, i. e. a migration from Europe. Also, when talking about Anatolia in that context it's wrong to have today's Anatolia's population in mind. Also there the population has changed much the last 8,000 years. An average German has slightly more ENF than has an average Anatolian Turk.

[Kess]

Are you trolling?

He might be brain-damaged.

[Oliver109]

Actually it has to be kept in mind that those ENF were a population that was formed in Western Anatolia (and likely also in Greece) and that a big contributor was a migration from the Balkans to Anatolia, i. e. a migration from Europe. Also, when talking about Anatolia in that context it's wrong to have today's Anatolia's population in mind. Also there the population has changed much the last 8,000 years. An average German has slightly more ENF than has an average Anatolian Turk.
Anatolia at the time would have been more alpine in character, a lot of Turks would have looked more similar to modern day French.

[Beowulf]

Atlanto-med and Gracile-med i think.

[Katarzyna]

Actually it has to be kept in mind that those ENF were a population that was formed in Western Anatolia (and likely also in Greece) and that a big contributor was a migration from the Balkans to Anatolia, i. e. a migration from Europe. Also, when talking about Anatolia in that context it's wrong to have today's Anatolia's population in mind. Also there the population has changed much the last 8,000 years. An average German has slightly more ENF than has an average Anatolian Turk.

What about Eastern EEF Cucuteni–Trypillia? Did they also look like the people in the reconstructions? Or did they look like modern Balkanites?

[true_southron]

He might be brain-damaged.

I find it very untrustworthy for anything related to history of modern nations or ethno-genetics.

[true_southron]

What about Eastern EEF Cucuteni–Trypillia? Did they also look like the people in the reconstructions? Or did they look like modern Balkanites?

Why would Cucuteni–Trypillia look like modern Balkan people when they are genetically closest to modern Sardinians?

[Bat_]

Average French don't look like that at all.
They look Southern European.

Atlanto-Mediterranid, both.

[Abti]

I don’t know about this, but I want to know what Minoa-Mycenaeans would’ve looked like. Genetically they are about 50% Abkhazian & 50% Sardinian. 2/3 Early European Farmer & 1/3 Caucasian Hunter Gatherer.

[Katarzyna]

Why would Cucuteni–Trypillia look like modern Balkan people when they are genetically closest to modern Sardinians?

Why do south eastern euros look different from south western euros although both have a similar amount of EEF ?

[Beowulf]

Why do south eastern euros look different from south western euros although both have a similar amount of EEF ?

Modern Balkanic people have Slavic ancestry at different degrees.

[Kess]

Average French don't look like that at all.
They look Southern European.

Atlanto-Mediterranid, both.

I agree, but the woman seems rather gracile med.

[Bat_]

Why do south eastern euros look different from south western euros although both have a similar amount of EEF ?

High Balto-Slavic admixture and maybe because Iberians were a more isolated population and uniform genetically while SE Europe received an influx of several different groups

[Katarzyna]

Modern Balkanic people have Slavic ancestry at different degrees.

Ah, yeah that’s true.

Different topic: You are like double EEF of me but you are much fairer. That’s so funny xD

[Beowulf]

Ah, yeah that’s true.

Different topic: You are like double EEF of me but you are much fairer. That’s so funny xD

Yeah, phenotype is a lottery too, people tell me that i inherited many features from my maternal family.

[Kess]

High Balto-Slavic admixture and maybe because Iberians were a more isolated population and uniform genetically while SE Europe received an influx of several different groups

Muslims literally conquered all of Iberia except Asturias, and the reconquista was completed in 1492. Yet, Iberian people seem mostly EEF with a touch of WHG.

[true_southron]

Why do south eastern euros look different from south western euros although both have a similar amount of EEF ?

Because the remaining admixture is different

[true_southron]

Muslims literally conquered all of Iberia except Asturias, and the reconquista was completed in 1492. Yet, Iberian people seem mostly EEF with a touch of WHG.

Are there samples from Muslim Iberia to compare how African and Middle Eastern were those Muslims in Spain?

[Beowulf]

Are there samples from Muslim Iberia to compare how African and Middle Eastern were those Muslims in Spain?

Target: Iberia_Andalusia_High_Medieval
Distance: 1.9550% / 0.01954965
49.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
23.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 MAR_Taforalt
9.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 WHG
0.2 Han

Iberia_Andalusia_High_Medieval,0.08366,0.1396355,0 .012068,-0.0279395,0.0304675,-0.0149205,-0.008695,0.001846,0.0272015,0.0236905,0.0034105,-0.0041965,-0.0010405,-0.0027525,0.0088895,-0.00358,-0.002934,-0.003547,-0.0114385,0.005315,-0.000499,-0.010696,0.0013555,-0.005663,0.001377

i only have this one

[Kess]

Are there samples from Muslim Iberia to compare how African and Middle Eastern were those Muslims in Spain?

Idk, I have seen Spanish results on Reddit and they were like EEF with a touch of WHG mostly.

[DomitiusAurelian]

124429

They look Spanish/Iberian to me.

My ancestors

[DraviXi99]

The man has some keltic in him,the girl seems more alpinized.

[Abaddon]

Target: Iberia_Andalusia_High_Medieval
Distance: 1.9550% / 0.01954965
49.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
23.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 MAR_Taforalt
9.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 WHG
0.2 Han

Iberia_Andalusia_High_Medieval,0.08366,0.1396355,0 .012068,-0.0279395,0.0304675,-0.0149205,-0.008695,0.001846,0.0272015,0.0236905,0.0034105,-0.0041965,-0.0010405,-0.0027525,0.0088895,-0.00358,-0.002934,-0.003547,-0.0114385,0.005315,-0.000499,-0.010696,0.0013555,-0.005663,0.001377

i only have this one

Only 9% ENF? What?

[Abaddon]

My ancestors

Lol

[Beowulf]

Only 9% ENF? What?

hmm, i wonder how different are the ones from Tepecik_Ciftlik compared to the ones from Barcin

[Katarzyna]

My ancestors

No baby <3 ur better than that

[DomitiusAurelian]

Lol

fart

[Petalpusher]

hmm, i wonder how different are the ones from Tepecik_Ciftlik compared to the ones from Barcin

More Iran neo, intermediate with enf and Levant neo. NAs tend to score more of that for their neo if the choice is presented, but this guy is already very mixed with locals since he has that much Yamnaya.

Damiao posted this on another thread and it's clear NA have this shift in neolithic, even beyond what's in the Taforalt

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

[Beowulf]

More Iran neo, intermediate with enf and Levant neo. NAs tend to score more of that for their neo if the choice is presented, but this guy is already very mixed with locals since he has that much Yamnaya.

Damiao posted this on another thread and it's clear NA have this shift in neolithic, even beyond what's in the Taforalt

https://i.imgur.com/JO1ATRg.png

Oh, thank you for the explanation Petalpusher!!

[HectorOfTroy]

Why do south eastern euros look different from south western euros although both have a similar amount of EEF ?

WHG. In Iberian Peninsula WHG is high, hence the Atlanto-Med look which is largely influenced by WHG. My european is almost purely Iberian and out of that it's like 30%* WHG

[Roy]

They look suspiciously attractive.

I trust Wikipedia more.

This is a reconstruction of Early European Farmers from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers#Physical_appearance

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Homo_sapiens_-_Neolithic_-_reconstruction_-_MUSE.jpg

Maybe those happened to be attractive?

[lockdownboredom]

I don’t know about this, but I want to know what Minoa-Mycenaeans would’ve looked like. Genetically they are about 50% Abkhazian & 50% Sardinian. 2/3 Early European Farmer & 1/3 Caucasian Hunter Gatherer.

Lolwut? Show me even a Minoan with a combined CHG/Iran_N score of 33%+

https://i.ibb.co/8PMqX5j/image.png

[NSXD60]

The couple looks like a Med/Steppe hybrid.

[Abti]

Lolwut? Show me even a Minoan with a combined CHG/Iran_N score of 33%+

https://i.ibb.co/8PMqX5j/image.png

Using D-stats

Here's what Mycenaean get.

Anatolia Neolithic-80%
EHG-7%
Iran Neo-14%

And what Minoans get.
Anatolia Neolithic-86%
Iran Neo-14%

But add Levant_N

Anatolia Neolithic-62%
CHG-32%
Levant Neolithic-6%

[Ugo]

They look suspiciously attractive.

I trust Wikipedia more.

This is a reconstruction of Early European Farmers from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers#Physical_appearance

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Homo_sapiens_-_Neolithic_-_reconstruction_-_MUSE.jpg
This woman looks more like ANE. This is a typical EEF.
https://i.ibb.co/wBM8jP3/eef.jpg (https://ibb.co/q7khVcX)

[Immanenz]

Do you find the couple posted by OP suspiciously attractive, like AI generated images?

There was always unattractive and attractive people. It seem a lot of unattracrtive Anatolian Farmers settled in Central Europe and increased HG/Steppe ancestry makes them even more uglier.

[Petalpusher]

There was always unattractive and attractive people. It seem a lot of unattracrtive Anatolian Farmers settled in Central Europe and increased HG/Steppe ancestry makes them even more uglier.

Some of the funny risk alleles

https://i.postimg.cc/W3YyNxDY/rae1.jpg

Spoiler alert since everybody is gonna be more interested by those:

For skin those with the most ENF and WHG are predicted to have the lightest skin when indexing that on the need for uv protection. ENF also has the most ability to tan, which is probably an adaptation to more southern lattitudes, yet childhood sunburn risk is highest in ENF. The "skin colour" is apparently some hue, without the actual color shift explained, Steppe and ENF are the closest there.

When it comes to hair, ENF and Steppe are actually the two most favorable for blond, and CHG the most for dark hair by a landslide, which is not so surprising, the highest CHG people, Armenians and the likes of Indians are uniformly very dark hair. For light brown hair ENF is even more favorable than Steppe ancestry, likely both high are needed. CHG still the least favorable by a considerable amount.

WHG would certainly be high for light eyes but not tested here. Instead very prone to diabetes, cholesterol and blood pressure.

A lot of other "interesting" ones. ENF are indeed significantly more irritable (second EHG) and slightly more prone to anxiety, facial ageing is higher in EHG and Steppe (CHG lowest), first facial hair is higher in WHG, the only category EHG wins is mouth ulcer, etc...

[Abti]

Here is what a half EEF & half EHG looked like.

https://i.redd.it/xatsdjqxrn971.jpg

Can’t tell which looked more elvish between ANF & EHG.

Both were pretty small people.

[lockdownboredom]

Using D-stats

Here's what Mycenaean get.

Anatolia Neolithic-80%
EHG-7%
Iran Neo-14%

And what Minoans get.
Anatolia Neolithic-86%
Iran Neo-14%

But add Levant_N

Anatolia Neolithic-62%
CHG-32%
Levant Neolithic-6%

D-statistics isn't a tool used for modelling the ancestry of populations. If you want to know how they can be modelled then look no further... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/

[Ugo]

the only category EHG wins is mouth ulcer, etc...EHG phobia.

[Petalpusher]

EHG phobia.

I forgot "taking other prescription medications" ?? Not sure what it means, but maybe it's the reason for mouth ulcer.

[Abti]

I J men win again.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/DJ_Khaled_Suffering_from_Success.jpg