The Controversial Origins Of Haplogroup J and R

[PrimarisOrion]

The population history of J is too complicated but R1a is a more recent phenomenon. Haplogroup J is not semitic in origin, they spoke language isolates.


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0u2IraQPBV8/Xxbsri0rciI/AAAAAAAAJCs/tRz2C0e4EFoM-oomS1YSWCL6eNcPa4CkQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Ancient_Y-hg_R1a_v2.jpg


10,000 years of bleaching the middle east.

https://i.imgur.com/MwMiVOi.jpeg

[Kess]

Haplogroup J is not semitic in origin, they spoke language isolates.

Who says haplogroup J is Semitic?

[kingmob]

J is Irano-Caucasian, not semitic, wtf is this nonsense.

[nittionia]

My dad is J2b2 and he said "nittionia, it's caucasian and western asian"

[Melkiirs]

My dad is J2b2 and he said "nittionia, it's caucasian and western asian"

Were you ever able to figure your paternal lineage? Which country was your 2nd great grandfather on that line from?

[PrimarisOrion]

J is Irano-Caucasian, not semitic, wtf is this nonsense.


It isn't nonsense. Haplogroup J originates from the Caucuses, it is generally darker there now since many fair skinned men left long ago, in Georgia's case. Part of Iran is in the Caucuses.

It is mocking insecure cultural marxist mentally ill types who like to spread lies.

[PrimarisOrion]

My dad is J2b2 and he said "nittionia, it's caucasian and western asian"

This is a cope because your MENA dad wants you to be with another MENA guy, you should be looking for a European man now to rebel against your annoying big sensitive ego MENA dad.

[nittionia]

Were you ever able to figure your paternal lineage? Which country was your 2nd great grandfather on that line from?

He was born in the German Empire but never shared information about his family (they died when he was young). I haven't been able to find any records for him

[nittionia]

This is a cope because your MENA dad wants you to be with another MENA guy, you should be looking for a European man now to rebel against your annoying big sensitive ego MENA dad.

He's not MENA :)

[PrimarisOrion]

He's not MENA :)

I assumed he was because your ethnicity is a unicorn and I thought you didn't wanna mention it. My mistake.

[sarmsaksogan]

It isn't nonsense. Haplogroup J originates from the Caucuses, it is generally darker there now since many fair skinned men left long ago, in Georgia's case. Part of Iran is in the Caucuses.

It is mocking insecure cultural marxist mentally ill types who like to spread lies.

I doubt that the people who went to Europe from the Caucasus 30 thousand years ago were light-skinned.

[Miko]

The population history of J is too complicated but R1a is a more recent phenomenon. Haplogroup J is not semitic in origin, they spoke language isolates.

Haplogroup J created the Semitic languages, probably J2.

[Abti]

Haplogroup J created the Semitic languages, probably J2.

No that’s E1b1b1. IJ-M429 created the Vascasian languages (Aquitania-Euskara-Iberian: I1-I2), (Hurria-Urartu-Vainakh: J1-J2).

[Abti]

My dad is J2b2 and he said "nittionia, it's caucasian and western asian"

That is a surprise for someone who is supposedly Germanic.

[Abti]

A reminder that R is still from Asia.

[Miko]

No that’s E1b1b1. IJ-M429 created the Vascasian languages (Aquitania-Euskara-Iberian: I1-I2), (Hurria-Urartu-Vainakh: J1-J2).

E1b1 created the berber languages.
Even Tigrayans and Amharas speak Semitic languages.

[Abti]

E1b1 created the berber languages.
Even Tigrayans and Amharas speak Semitic languages.

E1b1: Afroasiatic exception: E1b1a1-M2 - Niger-Kongo.

But E1b1a2-M329 is Afroasiatic.

[true_southron]

My dad is J2b2 and he said "nittionia, it's caucasian and western asian"

Illyrian

[nittionia]

That is a surprise for someone who is supposedly Germanic.

Yeah it's a bit odd, but not totally unheard of

[nittionia]

My dad's 11th chromosome may hold the secret

https://i.imgur.com/KivrPzP.png

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

My dad's 11th chromosome may hold the secret

https://i.imgur.com/KivrPzP.png

your dad may have some balkan blood perhaps ?

[nittionia]

your dad may have some balkan blood perhaps ?

It could be, although it would have to be quite distant since he doesn't get Balkan on 23andme or Ancestry

[PrimarisOrion]

I doubt that the people who went to Europe from the Caucasus 30 thousand years ago were light-skinned.


They did not leave 30,000 years ago. They left around 10,000 years ago. The Caucuses was a mix of darker Caucasoids and Fair skinned Caucasoids but most of the fair skinned men left for the Middle Easter and some went to Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsurblia_Cave#Genetics


"Their genomes showed that a continued mixture of the Caucasians with Middle Eastern populations took place up to 25,000 years ago, when the coldest period in the last Ice Age started.[4]"

Migrating Brown Caucasoids from the middle east entered the region then all admixture with these people stopped and they would have whitened themselves up again due to natural selection.


"The ancient individual from Satsurblia was male with black hair and brown eyes; however, the individual is one of the earliest found to carry the derived HERC2 allele for blue eyes. The Satsurblia individual also likely had light skin, as he was found to carry the derived SLC24A5 allele for light skin. The Satsurblia individual was also lactose intolerant and did not carry the derived EDAR allele commonly found in East Asians and Native Americans.[8][9]"

This is where Haplogroup J comes from originally, the Caucuses, early Haplogroup J migrations to the middle east were all fair to light tan colored men. "light intermediate". They bred Brown Caucasoid women in mass and many Haplogroup E men fled into North Africa.

I would estimate around 80% of them at least had fair skin (not really pale) and the rest had light tan intermediate skin.

[sarmsaksogan]

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Thanks for the information.


Are you trying to say that there was a migration from the Arabian peninsula or North Africa to the Caucasus, Iran and Anatolia?


Also, which part of the Caucasus are you talking about? South Caucasus?

[Abti]

There is no controversy. It’s widely known.

J-M304 — Early West Eurasian turned Cro-Magnon.


R-M207 — Early East Asian turned East Eurasian.

[Abti]

Thanks for the information.


Are you trying to say that there was a migration from the Arabian peninsula or North Africa to the Caucasus, Iran and Anatolia?


Also, which part of the Caucasus are you talking about? South Caucasus?

No, a migration from the Transcaucasian Area into SouthWest Asia — Arabia, Indian Subcontinent, Southern Europe.

[Oasis]

As the topic of IJ is being vigourosly discussed, you may observe that, in “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years”, some ancient yDNA R1a-Z93 representatives and some ancient yDNA J representatives (mostly J2 and J*) formed an autosomal component, which is observed in ancient Iron Age Indo-Aryans of the Swat Valley, Pakistan, in the Yamnaya population and Afanasievo pupulation, and such a component appeared in some Altaic-related individuals as well as some Taiwanese Austronesians. However, the only ancient population, which would be capable of mediating the arrival of yDNA J-related ancestry to Austronesians, is an ancient Qihe3 individual, who is 11356-11747 years old and who is an ancient coastal Fujianese, geographically isolated from the mainland part of China, where Sino-Tibetan languages originated. The fact that the component in Austronesians is Indo-European-like, means that yDNA J*, which reached this territory adjacent to Southeast Asia (J* is detected as IJK in relevant ancient samples), was related to the kind of yDNA J, whose western J relative contributed to the formation of Indo-Europeans, and yDNA R1a-Z93 developed together with such an yDNA J branch, whose distant yDNA J relative traveled as far as the border of Austronesian Southeast Asia not later than by the Mesolithic period. This yDNA J connection is helpful in explaining the theory of Indo-European-Austronesian connection, developed by Koji Ohnishi, a Japanese researcher.

Such a user, as “Japanese Wikipedia” editor Ebizur may think, whether our theory on his yDNA O1b2-47z adoption by Austronesians is acceptable for him, or otherwise he would like to explain affinities of his yDNA O1b2-47z by late direct contact with Indo-Europeans somewhere in Mongolia and farther to the West.