PrimarisOrion
11-17-2023, 06:32 PM
We can see these Arab primitives idol worshipping his hair. "Smell the honorable hair"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVziNcCfw3s&ab_channel=Saahibayn He used olive oil in his hair which is what Roman Italians did.
https://i.postimg.cc/Dy0dWv87/wregerge.jpg
If you look at Ancient DNA. Z640 YSC76 FGC11 all have Ancient DNA samples from the middle east that are very old so you can attribute a middle eastern origin to these Haplogroups since they have been in the Middle East for so long after their ancestors original male ancestors migration from the Caucuses.
PF4872 leads into many other branches but I don't know of any Ancient DNA to date confirming their locations in the middle east. Supposedly it came from Amorites and some noble house but even then, these people are confirmed to have ancestors from the Eastern Med, confirming the evidence that PF4872 is associated with Greek Sea peoples and/or Roman expansion.
Supposedly, PF4872 originated with the Amorites but I vaguely remember seeing a DNA paper on them and several of them had fair skin, light intermediate skin, many with blue eyes and blonde hair. I have seen middle easterners claiming PF4872 originates with them but you can't say for certain where it comes from unless there is Ancient DNA evidence.
"Recent DNA testing by direct descendants have shown zero lineage to the Arab peninsula, putting to rest the thesis that the family is descendent from the Prophet. DNA testing indicates that the family is from the eastern Mediterranean."
"PF4872 is a branch of L858, its subclade L829 (TMRCA ~3500 years BP) is one of the best candidates for a Phoenician marker under J1 since it has been found in Lebanon (notably in an individual hailing from Dalhoun, a village in the jabal el chouf region not far from the coastline, itself part of a larger group of villages associated with the Phoenician city-state of Sidon), in Palestinian individuals originally hailing from Ashkelon, in an Israeli Druze sample and in Mediterranean areas normally associated with Phoenician and Punic settlement. PF4872 has also been found in Lebanon, Turkey, Greece and in a sample claiming affiliation to the Tayy' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayy) tribe (as well as in an Ashkenazi Jew from Lithuania), so an association with Phoenicians might not be circumscribed to its subclade L829. PF4872's TMRCA is ~4225 years old, this seemingly coincides with the emergence of proto-NW Semitic."
I think it is unlikely that it is Phoenician. Primarily because of this, related lineage PF4875 is descending into Palestine from Sardinia around 983 BC, the late bronze age collapse was 1200-900 BC. This makes it obvious that they were Sherdan Sea peoples. This points to the origin of all PF4872 men being ethnically close to the Sea Peoples/Greek Sea peoples. It says it has also been found in Turkey and Greece. It is a strong possibility that PF4872 comes from the Anatolian region of Turkey and Greek Islands, exactly where the sea peoples were.
We can see from Sardinia the lineages descend into Palestine during the Bronze Age collapse 1200-900 BC. The most violent periods of the Bronze Age collapse was 1200-1100 BC. Eventually the invaders were hired as mercenaries or taken prisoner after they had destroyed several civilizations. This late migration around 983 BC could have been men going there for mercenary work or they could have been traders. The Ancient Egyptians hired them.
https://i.imgur.com/KhEiSaZ.png
Any PF4872 in the Middle East is either because of Roman Empire expansion and/or Greek Sea peoples. House AL DAHAH known to be associated with PF4872 also has foreign origins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_al-Dahdah
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L829/ We see the oldest J-L829 to date has been found in Rome.
The Saudi Arabs are afraid to test Mohammeds Y-DNA because of this. I have a friend who is J-L829 and he even has a Saudi Arab SNP (younger descended SNP) which is only further evidence of this. His ancestors were breeding spree maniacs who conquered many regions and bred women in the conquered regions.
It could be entirely wrong though, Mohammeds Y-DNA could be Hashemite, it will only be certain if they test him. Ethnically Mohammed was at least 99-99.4% Arab but his original male ancestors were not Arabs but Hashemites were genetically close with Arabs. The progenitor of his entire line could possibly be a Roman Italian soldier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVziNcCfw3s&ab_channel=Saahibayn He used olive oil in his hair which is what Roman Italians did.
https://i.postimg.cc/Dy0dWv87/wregerge.jpg
If you look at Ancient DNA. Z640 YSC76 FGC11 all have Ancient DNA samples from the middle east that are very old so you can attribute a middle eastern origin to these Haplogroups since they have been in the Middle East for so long after their ancestors original male ancestors migration from the Caucuses.
PF4872 leads into many other branches but I don't know of any Ancient DNA to date confirming their locations in the middle east. Supposedly it came from Amorites and some noble house but even then, these people are confirmed to have ancestors from the Eastern Med, confirming the evidence that PF4872 is associated with Greek Sea peoples and/or Roman expansion.
Supposedly, PF4872 originated with the Amorites but I vaguely remember seeing a DNA paper on them and several of them had fair skin, light intermediate skin, many with blue eyes and blonde hair. I have seen middle easterners claiming PF4872 originates with them but you can't say for certain where it comes from unless there is Ancient DNA evidence.
"Recent DNA testing by direct descendants have shown zero lineage to the Arab peninsula, putting to rest the thesis that the family is descendent from the Prophet. DNA testing indicates that the family is from the eastern Mediterranean."
"PF4872 is a branch of L858, its subclade L829 (TMRCA ~3500 years BP) is one of the best candidates for a Phoenician marker under J1 since it has been found in Lebanon (notably in an individual hailing from Dalhoun, a village in the jabal el chouf region not far from the coastline, itself part of a larger group of villages associated with the Phoenician city-state of Sidon), in Palestinian individuals originally hailing from Ashkelon, in an Israeli Druze sample and in Mediterranean areas normally associated with Phoenician and Punic settlement. PF4872 has also been found in Lebanon, Turkey, Greece and in a sample claiming affiliation to the Tayy' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayy) tribe (as well as in an Ashkenazi Jew from Lithuania), so an association with Phoenicians might not be circumscribed to its subclade L829. PF4872's TMRCA is ~4225 years old, this seemingly coincides with the emergence of proto-NW Semitic."
I think it is unlikely that it is Phoenician. Primarily because of this, related lineage PF4875 is descending into Palestine from Sardinia around 983 BC, the late bronze age collapse was 1200-900 BC. This makes it obvious that they were Sherdan Sea peoples. This points to the origin of all PF4872 men being ethnically close to the Sea Peoples/Greek Sea peoples. It says it has also been found in Turkey and Greece. It is a strong possibility that PF4872 comes from the Anatolian region of Turkey and Greek Islands, exactly where the sea peoples were.
We can see from Sardinia the lineages descend into Palestine during the Bronze Age collapse 1200-900 BC. The most violent periods of the Bronze Age collapse was 1200-1100 BC. Eventually the invaders were hired as mercenaries or taken prisoner after they had destroyed several civilizations. This late migration around 983 BC could have been men going there for mercenary work or they could have been traders. The Ancient Egyptians hired them.
https://i.imgur.com/KhEiSaZ.png
Any PF4872 in the Middle East is either because of Roman Empire expansion and/or Greek Sea peoples. House AL DAHAH known to be associated with PF4872 also has foreign origins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_al-Dahdah
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L829/ We see the oldest J-L829 to date has been found in Rome.
The Saudi Arabs are afraid to test Mohammeds Y-DNA because of this. I have a friend who is J-L829 and he even has a Saudi Arab SNP (younger descended SNP) which is only further evidence of this. His ancestors were breeding spree maniacs who conquered many regions and bred women in the conquered regions.
It could be entirely wrong though, Mohammeds Y-DNA could be Hashemite, it will only be certain if they test him. Ethnically Mohammed was at least 99-99.4% Arab but his original male ancestors were not Arabs but Hashemites were genetically close with Arabs. The progenitor of his entire line could possibly be a Roman Italian soldier.