Why Are Indid and Arabid Considered Meditteranoid?

[Kess]

Why? Metrics?

[Kess]

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[Score]

Brown skin

[Kess]

Brown skin

You just said half of Europe is Brown. Good luck.

[sarmsaksogan]

I think they are not Mediterranoid. They're just Caucasoids

[mashail]

idk, but I've never heard an Arab referring to him/herself as Meditteranoid those terms was made by white europeans.
Arabs are the descendants of ancient semitic cultures . they r not white and not Meditteranoid even the palest blondest Arab see their selfs as ARAB and SEMITIC
Arabs and levantines and jews are all descendants of ancient prophets and great semitic civilizations .

Indians are indo European genetically and might have more in common with all aryans including Europe.

[sarmsaksogan]

Indians are indo European genetically and might have more in common with all aryans including Europe.

xD

Nope

[mashail]

xD

Nope

How come genes already proved it Indians are always related to all europeans and aryans !!being dark doesn't make them less aryan\indo European.

[sarmsaksogan]

How come genes already proved it Indians are always related to all europeans and aryans !!being dark doesn't make them less aryan\indo European.

There is no point in discussing these with you and I think you are trolling. Unless you're trolling, thinking Sri Lankans and Icelanders are the same race is retarded lol. Also, according to your logic, Afro-Asian Semitic speaking Somalis are also Arab/Semitic xD

[Batavia]

They are connected.

[mashail]

There is no point in discussing these with you and I think you are trolling. Unless you're trolling, thinking Sri Lankans and Icelanders are the same race is retarded lol. Also, according to your logic, Afro-Asian Semitic speaking Somalis are also Arab/Semitic xD
No I'm not trolling Sri Lanka are australiod + South Indians. while North Indians and central Indians are aryans\indo European that what their genes says.
Afro asian languages came bc of ancient semitic was spoken in ancient north and East Africa and Middle East. somalis and sudanese are culturally Arab some of them did mixed with Arabs too.

[Damião de Góis]

Because Coon considered them to be so. You would have to ask him.

Or maybe Septentrion has the answers.

[Kess]

They are connected.

In what way? That's the question.

[Kess]

Because Coon considered them to be so. You would have to ask him.

Or maybe Septentrion has the answers.

Only Coon?

[lei.talk]

exactly:
measurements collected by a variety of physical anthropologists.

clicking-on the image (below) reveals
there were measured metric mediterranids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) in the arabian peninsula
before world war two

and that not all of the population was of that phenotype.

further reading in the book
reveals similar data regarding india (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#INDID).


https://i.imgur.com/IgXRrxm.png (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.222580/page/n529/mode/1up?view=theater)

[Immanenz]

skull shape and facial feature are similar. I m ok putting Meds and Orientalids into the same meta-category, but not Indids.

[Mortimer]

It is White europeans who said that in the past ask them I think Indians and arabs have their own traditional lables for themselfes

[sarmsaksogan]

skull shape and facial feature are similar. I m ok putting Meds and Orientalids into the same meta-category, but not Indids.

I agree. Indids are too ugly to be Mediterranoids

[Mortimer]

I agree. Indids are too ugly to be Mediterranoids

I think arabs are still considered meditteranids but indians not anymore with the discovery of the southasian paleolithic component they are grouped seperate from caucasoid now

[Petalpusher]

Ironically West European mediterraneans are the furthest away from south Asians, even compared to Baltic and North Sea, but eastern med and "causasian" are significantly closer to south Asians. From Eurogenes Fst:


South Asians @ 0
West Asian @ 53
East Med @ 55
North Sea @ 60
Atlantic @ 62
Baltic @ 64
West_Med @ 75

Same thing happens for SSA

Sub-Saharan @ 0
Northeast_African @ 42
S_Asian @ 131
East_med @ 132
Red_Sea @ 139
W_Asian @ 139
Atlantic @ 144
North_Sea @ 144
Baltic @ 148
West_med @ 149



And Oceanians while we are at it

Oceanian @ 0
East_med @ 174
W_Asian @ 176
North_Sea @ 178
Siberian @ 178
Atlantic @ 179
Baltic @ 181
West_med @ 188

[Kess]

I m ok putting Meds and Orientalids into the same meta-category, but not Indids.

It doesn't take an anthropologist to not put those into the same meta-category: 125033 125034

[Kess]

I think Indians and arabs have their own traditional lables for themselfes

Totally agree.

[Immanenz]

I agree. Indids are too ugly to be Mediterranoids

there is a level of just difference- they are rather their own category. "Indids" vary a lot, so ther are Indid euqivalent to "Faelids" (because it just takes a chiseled jawline) "Alpines" and all that crap, and obv. Indid with fully Med/Oriental features, so why just put them in the latter category makes no sense to me.



It doesn't take an anthropologist to not put those into the same meta-category: 125033 125034

Well, some literally did put them in the same meta-categeory lol and comparing a man and a woman to show the drastic facial feature differences is not really smart.

cherry-picking to show similarities, cherry-picking to show dis-similarities, thats all the retardism of anthropology is about.

[sarmsaksogan]

there is a level of just difference- they are rather their own category. "Indids" vary a lot, so ther are Indid euqivalent to "Faelids" (because it just takes a chiseled jawline) "Alpines" and all that crap, and obv. Indid with fully Med/Oriental features, so why just put them in the latter category makes no sense to me.


xD.


Indids don't have sharp jaw lines LMFAO. Most Indians I have seen have small and weak jaws. Also, most Indians have small heads (dolichocephalic or brachycephalic, it does not matter) but there is an exception, North Indids have large skulls

[Immanenz]

xD.


Indids don't have sharp jaw lines LMFAO. Most Indians I have seen have small and weak jaws. Also, most Indians have small heads (dolichocephalic or brachycephalic, it does not matter) but there is an exception, North Indids have large skulls

well, not the average, but you find some. should i search for some to make you happy. its totally irrelevant, tbh.

[Damião de Góis]

Only Coon?

Don't know, i'm not really versed in 1930's pseudo-science. I only know about Coon's definition of mediterraneans:


According to Coon, the "homeland and cradle" of the Mediterranean race was in North Africa and Southwest Asia, in the area from Morocco to Afghanistan. He further stated that Mediterraneans formed the major population element in Pakistan and North India.[11]

[Oliver109]

there is a level of just difference- they are rather their own category. "Indids" vary a lot, so ther are Indid euqivalent to "Faelids" (because it just takes a chiseled jawline) "Alpines" and all that crap, and obv. Indid with fully Med/Oriental features, so why just put them in the latter category makes no sense to me.




Well, some literally did put them in the same meta-categeory lol and comparing a man and a woman to show the drastic facial feature differences is not really smart.

cherry-picking to show similarities, cherry-picking to show dis-similarities, thats all the retardism of anthropology is about.

That's totally wrong though, you would be hard pressed to find an Indian with the same metrics as a Norwegian borreby or a Dutch faelid for the simple reason that such phenotypes never made it further east than Afghanistan and would have become very watered down after crossing the Pamirs.

[Immanenz]

That's totally wrong though, you would be hard pressed to find an Indian with the same metrics as a Norwegian borreby or a Dutch faelid for the simple reason that such phenotypes never made it further east than Afghanistan and would have become very watered down after crossing the Pamirs.

thats not true- IndoEuropeans mixed with the local in the north, npkto or what was his name posted one guy that looked like Woody Harrison, and one guy that looked semi- Borreby-ish. Obv most are all brown and dark and thus not interesting to you, how does Margot Robbie look with brown skin colour

[Oliver109]

thats not true- IndoEuropeans mixed with the local in the north, npkto or what was his name posted one guy that looked like Woody Harrison, and one guy that looked semi- Borreby-ish. Obv most are all brown and dark and thus not interesting to you, how does Margot Robbie look with brown skin colour

Woody H looks part Nordic rather than fully faelid, Margot Robbie i can imagine as south west Asian, maybe north Indian if she was darker. some faelids can have very robust faces that would look unusual in France let alone India.

[Avicenna]

thats not true- IndoEuropeans mixed with the local in the north, npkto or what was his name posted one guy that looked like Woody Harrison, and one guy that looked semi- Borreby-ish. Obv most are all brown and dark and thus not interesting to you, how does Margot Robbie look with brown skin colour

Is there a tool to actually do this? I'm curious now

[Immanenz]

Woody H looks part Nordic rather than fully faelid, Margot Robbie i can imagine as south west Asian, maybe north Indian if she was darker. some faelids can have very robust faces that would look unusual in France let alone India.

Woody Ha. is just Nordic, and thats my point. You obv. do not find those gorilla mesomorph types anywhere else- idk what does explain it, maybe their daughters werent worthwile exporting.


Is there a tool to actually do this? I'm curious now

I dont know, but doesnt famous German (now Austrian) Dr. Dahlke look like a depigmented Orientalid

https://multimedia.knv.de/cover/95/66/16/9566161300001Z.jpg
https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/michalski/kk-5111.jpg

[Pulsa Dinura]

Technically speaking, Arabs should not be labeled as "Mediterranoids" since real Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, U.A.E, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain…) do not have a maritime access to the Mediterranean and all "Arab" countries bordering the Mediterranean were not Arabs before the Arab invasion in 637 C.E.

Syrians, Lebanese, Jews and Palestinians are Aramaic, Canaanites...
Egyptians are Copts.
Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans are Amazigh, Berbers, Tuareg.

[tropicalslavic]

idk, but I've never heard an Arab referring to him/herself as Meditteranoid those terms was made by white europeans.
Arabs are the descendants of ancient semitic cultures . they r not white and not Meditteranoid even the palest blondest Arab see their selfs as ARAB and SEMITIC
Arabs and levantines and jews are all descendants of ancient prophets and great semitic civilizations .

Indians are indo European genetically and might have more in common with all aryans including Europe.

I knew a Lebanese dude IRL who LARPed as white because he's "technically Caucasian".

[Petalpusher]

Woody H looks part Nordic rather than fully faelid, Margot Robbie i can imagine as south west Asian, maybe north Indian if she was darker. some faelids can have very robust faces that would look unusual in France let alone India.

People here believe we have a doppelganger of Margot Robbie, her name is Caroline Receveur (random influencer).

https://resize-public.ladmedia.fr/img/var/public/storage/images/toutes-les-photos/caroline-receveur-trop-grosse-cette-phrase-de-son-fils-de-2-ans-qui-engendre-une-polemique-1664441/44087086-1-fre-FR/Caroline-Receveur-trop-grosse-cette-phrase-de-son-fils-de-2-ans-qui-engendre-une-polemique.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KcQFWSz6/cr12.png

On some pics it's hard to tell which is which, i think she even looks like a slightly better looking version of Margot Robbie actually, more symmetrical with less bulgy eyes. Those female CM types are not uncommon in France, maybe even more common than in men for some reasons.

[Immanenz]

People here believe we have a doppelganger of Margot Robbie, her name is Caroline Receveur (random influencer).

https://resize-public.ladmedia.fr/img/var/public/storage/images/toutes-les-photos/caroline-receveur-trop-grosse-cette-phrase-de-son-fils-de-2-ans-qui-engendre-une-polemique-1664441/44087086-1-fre-FR/Caroline-Receveur-trop-grosse-cette-phrase-de-son-fils-de-2-ans-qui-engendre-une-polemique.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KcQFWSz6/cr12.png

On some pics it's hard to tell which is which, i think she even looks like a slightly better looking version of Margot Robbie actually, more symmetrical with less bulgy eyes. Those female CM types are not uncommon in France, maybe even more common than in men for some reasons.

funny you get also this "Indian" comment when they make the skin tone of some reconstructions very dark

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a6ec8054aa6ea39eeaeacdf05e5dbce-lq

but then you have albino Indians who almost look like brothers of Oliver Kahn- now this cant be faked

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bc/00/52/bc0052efafde97355436ff33e876c253.jpg

[Avicenna]

funny you get also this "Indian" comment when they make the skin tone of some reconstructions very dark

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a6ec8054aa6ea39eeaeacdf05e5dbce-lq

but then you have albino Indians who almost look like brothers of Oliver Kahn- now this cant be faked

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bc/00/52/bc0052efafde97355436ff33e876c253.jpg

Who is that reconstruction based on?

I think the albinos features are way off, although your point does have a stand as people underestimate how much pigmentation actually makes a difference in how we perceive certain phenotypes.

[Petalpusher]

funny you get also this "Indian" comment when they make the skin tone of some reconstructions very dark

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a6ec8054aa6ea39eeaeacdf05e5dbce-lq

but then you have albino Indians who almost look like brothers of Oliver Kahn- now this cant be faked

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bc/00/52/bc0052efafde97355436ff33e876c253.jpg

Of all the "CM" this one probably the least, also considering how old it is, likely close from what the original Cro-Magnons looked like. Especially compared to the reconstructions, of younger indvidiuals like lepenskivir or Popov, who should have theorically looked much more European, and it's not about skin color here.

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-thumbs/LepenskiVirThumbnailWebP.webp

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-thumbs/EHG1ThumbnailWebP.webp

While at the same time period WHG looked like this in England, but this is almost 20 000 years after the early CroMag

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-thumbs/WHGThumbnailWebP.webp

This is however all based on reconstruction that involves some level of guess work based on skull remains but still some features are surprising.

About the Albino, frankly i don't see the resemblance with someone like Oliver Kahn, they just both have albino level of pigments (about none)

[Immanenz]

Who is that reconstruction based on?


Cro Magnon 1, haplogroup C1

[earthling1]

It doesn't take an anthropologist to not put those into the same meta-category: 125033 125034

Not sure what your point is. The Indid guy above is way better looking than the woman (Monica Belucci), bad teeth notwithstanding. At least he has eyes. Monica Belucci has slits for eyes under all that eye makeup.

[Kess]

The Indid guy above is way better looking than the woman (Monica Belucci)

xD

My point is they look very different than each other.

[Benyzero]

because they are brown xD

[lei.talk]

I'm ok putting Meds (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) and Orientalids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#ORIENTALID) into the same meta-category,


but not Indids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#INDID).
all indid phenotypes :icon1:

even von eickstedt (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?73486-quot-it-is-so-easy-that-a-six-year-old-girl-can-do-it-quot&p=1613620&viewfull=1#post1613620)'s "Grazilindide (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#GRACILE-INDID)" :icon1:




https://i.imgur.com/yNvtNGq.jpg (https://archive.org/details/egon-freiherr-von-eickstedt-rassenkunde-und-rassengeschichte-der-menschheit/page/158/mode/1up?view=theater)



which physical attribute exceeds the metrics-range :icon1:

[Token]

No one ever considered "Indids" Mediterranean, they are mixed race (veddoid + white) with the white component being predominantly Mediterranean. Arabs are mostly white Mediterraneans.

[masoebu]

No one ever considered "Indids" Mediterranean, they are mixed race (veddoid + white) with the white component being predominantly Mediterranean. Arabs are mostly white Mediterraneans.

This, though I consider Nord Indid a pure Caucasoid subtype, whether it exists today genetically pure being irrelevant.

[masoebu]

idk, but I've never heard an Arab referring to him/herself as Meditteranoid those terms was made by white europeans.
Arabs are the descendants of ancient semitic cultures . they r not white and not Meditteranoid even the palest blondest Arab see their selfs as ARAB and SEMITIC
Arabs and levantines and jews are all descendants of ancient prophets and great semitic civilizations .

Indians are indo European genetically and might have more in common with all aryans including Europe.

Doesn't matter what people consider themselves from an anthropological point of view. There is no such thing as a brown race.

Unless you're prepared to apply your exclusive logic to other races.