Arbereshe from South Of Italy

[EvilDave]

http://www.sicilyweb.com/foto/1877/1877-08-07-23-4239.jpg
http://www.missarbereshe.it/archivio/2006/miss_arbereshe_01.JPG
http://www.viniesapori.net/archivio/2010/08/24/images/miss-arbereshe-prime-tre-classificate.jpg
http://www.comune.sandemetriocorone.cs.it/img/public/WEB-FESTIVAL-CANZONE-ARBERESHE-logo.jpg
http://www.arberia.it/missarbereshe/archivio/2007/images/miss_arbereshe_2007_03.JPG
http://www.calabriaonline.com/content/admin/uploads//miss_arbereshe.jpg
http://www.missarbereshe.it/dblog/fotografia.asp?fotografia=9

[Sikeliot]

They just look like other southern Italians to me.

[Siginulfo]

Predomina il tipo Dinarico.

[EvilDave]

They just look like other southern Italians to me.

But Dinarid type is predominant

[Siginulfo]

They just look like other southern Italians to me.


Because with time they became homogeneus with Southern-Italians, but you can see that the Dinarid still predominate in Arbereshe population.

[Sikeliot]

But Dinarid type is predominant

I probably could have said they were within the variation of the population. But to me they don't stand out really.

[Kacca]

look Albanians or Bulgarian

[Siginulfo]

look Albanians or Bulgarian

They, in fact, originated in Albania.

[EvilDave]

Other photos

http://www.calabriaonline.com/specialecol/articoli_COL/articoli/img/arbereshe.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BhN_eYFOIS0/TIedCYueWaI/AAAAAAAACZ0/O_xt2ZWV9dI/s1600/DSC00442.JPG
http://lnx.whipart.it/imagesart9/1291501330-arbereshe_costume.jpg
http://www.misiti.it/wp-content/gallery/primavera-albanese-2008/gruppo-s-marzano02.jpg
http://www.arte26.it/percorsi/arbresh/velo.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ugjpj3_A2P8/TrUdFvQ_ZuI/AAAAAAAAEVs/jIAAyuqDZaA/s1600/Costumi3.JPG
http://www.laster.it/files/ARBERESHE/Foto_aggiunte/Miss-Arbereshe-2009-e-scond.jpg

[Odoacer]

They just look like other southern Italians to me.

That's because the original Albanians looked more Italian, until admixture with the Turks. :tsk: :wink

[Sikeliot]

Other photos

http://www.calabriaonline.com/specialecol/articoli_COL/articoli/img/arbereshe.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BhN_eYFOIS0/TIedCYueWaI/AAAAAAAACZ0/O_xt2ZWV9dI/s1600/DSC00442.JPG
http://lnx.whipart.it/imagesart9/1291501330-arbereshe_costume.jpg
http://www.misiti.it/wp-content/gallery/primavera-albanese-2008/gruppo-s-marzano02.jpg
http://www.misiti.it/?p=118

Ok in these pictures, I can see how they look more distinctly Balkan.

[Sikeliot]

That's because the original Albanians looked more Italian, until admixture with the Turks. :tsk: :wink

To me the more Dinaric looking Italians often do resemble Albanians.. some might not agree though. So to me there isn't too much of a difference to start with.

[supergiovane]

the people from Guardia Piemontese who allegedly migrated there from Bobbio Pellice (TO) look calabrian to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuC56OXmppY

[safinator]

It's very nice to see how they conserved their traditions.

[Libertas]

These Arbereshe show some overlap with their Tosc ancestors from Albania who have a strong Alpinid strain.

[safinator]

These Arbereshe show some overlap with their Tosc ancestors from Albania who have a strong Alpinid strain.
They fit very well in Southern Albania.

[Padre Organtino]

They seem to differ from Gheg Albanians not only in faith and behaviour but also in phenotype to some small extent.

[Ushtari]

They seem to differ from Gheg Albanians not only in faith and behaviour but also in phenotype to some small extent.
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8784/ghegdinaric.jpg


-Carleton Coon

[Panopticon]

That's because the original Albanians looked more Italian, until admixture with the Turks. :tsk: :wink

We used to look like Swedes before the Roman conquest! :(

On a more serious note, the Arbereshe don't look very Albanian, obviously due to mixing with Italians. The traditional Albanian clothes were introduced later.

[Padre Organtino]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8784/ghegdinaric.jpg


-Carleton Coon

Yeah, Ghegs clearly have much more dynaric and thus look more Balkanyte than these guys.

[EvilDave]

some famous italian arbereshe


http://www.arbitalia.it/musica/pino_cacozza_historia/images/copertina_01.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Gramsci.png
(he also had arbereshe ancestors)

http://www.arbitalia.it/news/lungro/2004/damis.jpg

http://www.arbitalia.it/images/324801.jpg

http://www.ilquotidianoweb.it/immagini/hi-res/lupinacci-Ercole-vescovo-lungro.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Jacovitti-photo-by-joe-zatt.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Carmine_Abate.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/5/5f/Mario_mazzuca.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Stefano_Rodot%C3%A0_Trento_2007.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/0/05/Enrico_Cuccia.jpg

[askra]

also the italian prime minister Francesco Crispi had Arbëreshë ancestry

http://www.info-antike.de/regent/regent-d/pictures/italia-crispi.jpg

[Elbegast]

Pope Clement XI had Arbëreshë descent as well.
http://www.papalartifacts.com/images/uploads/mediums/1279827113_clement%20xi.jpg

[Odoacer]

LOL!Ghegs are more archaic than Tosks.Turks have been in contact more with Tosks than Ghegs.And besides that Dinarid-Mediterranid is one of the dominant Albanian type,nothing strange to look like Italians.

I was making a joke. But anyway, I'm not sure what the Turks having more contact with the Tosks has to do with it. The Arbëreshë have clearly mixed with the surrounding Italian populations over the past 500 years. This happened in my grandfather's family, too, to the extent that any Arbëreshë identity was effectively lost.

[GeistFaust]

Which parts of Southern Italy do the Arbereshe occupy to the greatest extent? Is there anyway of knowing if you have Albanian lineage based on surnames? I heard the Arbereshe lived in the more Southern parts of Italy near the coastlands. I would be interested to see if I have any Albanian lineage based off the surnames I have. I am just curious about this whole affair.

[EvilDave]

Which parts of Southern Italy do the Arbereshe occupy to the greatest extent? Is there anyway of knowing if you have Albanian lineage based on surnames? I heard the Arbereshe lived in the more Southern parts of Italy near the coastlands. I would be interested to see if I have any Albanian lineage based off the surnames I have. I am just curious about this whole affair.

Arbereshe live in almost all south italian regions .
In Sicily and in Calabria there are the most important settlements , the one of Sicily is called "Piana degli Albanesi" .
All these arbereshe places are called "Arberia" and in this site can you see all these .
http://www.arbitalia.it/katundet/index.htm
The most famous arbereshe surnames are Greco(greek-arvanite origins),Cota,Albano,Albenese,Albanesi,Jannucci,Be llusci,Brescia(It is a city,but it can mean also Arbereshe),Abbrescia,Bresciano,Bresciani,Basta,Bus cia,Bua,Massareca and many many others.
Other informations about Arbereshe surnames :
http://www.oresteparise.it/cognomi/cognomisalento.htm
http://www.oresteparise.it/cognomi/cognomicz.htm
http://www.oresteparise.it/cognomi/cognomialbano.htm
http://www.oresteparise.it/cognomi/famigliealbanesi.htm

[safinator]

http://www.varcobufalo.altervista.org/foto_story/2008acquaformosa.jpg

[Flintlocke]

some famous italian arbereshe
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Stefano_Rodot%C3%A0_Trento_2007.jpg


Can I get a quick classification on this one? Some of my uncles have this phenotype.

[GeistFaust]

Can I get a quick classification on this one? Some of my uncles have this phenotype.


Dinarid Mediterranid primarily.

[AR89]

Which parts of Southern Italy do the Arbereshe occupy to the greatest extent? Is there anyway of knowing if you have Albanian lineage based on surnames? I heard the Arbereshe lived in the more Southern parts of Italy near the coastlands. I would be interested to see if I have any Albanian lineage based off the surnames I have. I am just curious about this whole affair.

If you want to see the "purest" Arbereshe you must look in Calabria, the biggest community is there, especially in Spezzano Albanese. They are mostly in the north east part of the region.

[Svartálfar]

If you want to see the "purest" Arbereshe you must look in Calabria, the biggest community is there, especially in Spezzano Albanese. They are mostly in the north east part of the region.

Calabrian Arbareshe:

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[safinator]

http://fortitudobasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/roggiano.jpg
http://www.domenicogullo.it/images/DSCF0104.JPG?410
http://www.iisgaribaldialfano.it/public/64201110300.jpg

[Kastrioti1443]

Some of the girls fit well as albanian, especially Tosk, but the males look very different, much more southern Italian, especially compared to Highlanders and Kosovar Villagers. Probably because they were mainly from cities and maybe mixed considerably with other south italians