If a lot of South Slavs immigrate to Sweden-Stockholm?

[reboun]

As we know, when calculating regional averages in DNA projects, outliers are eliminated.

Imagine a theoretical scenario: A lot of South Slavs migrate to Sweden Stockholm. After 4 generations, the children of those migrants become 70% of Stockholm province and almost all of them start to identify as Swedish instead of identifying as Serbian, Bulgarians, Croatian and etc. In that case, will the regional average Swedish_Stockholm genetically be South Slavic-like? I mean, will Swedish_Stockholm be represented as South Slavic-like in the calculators of GEDmatch?

[Laredo]

You just gave me an Idea of new thread.

[nittionia]

Ideally it would have the "rothaer effect"

[reboun]

Ideally it would have the "rothaer effect"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prb2AagujA

[nittionia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prb2AagujA

Lol. Only that ideally those groups would find motivation to continue their ancestry back in their home countries instead of Sweden.
But to answer your question directly, I would assume their genetic impact would influence the population of Stockholm to resemble more south slavic ancestry.

[Grace O'Malley]

They would still know that there is admixture and where it is from. I think most populations now have been tested so there are databases with all these populations' results. Also in most countries now they can dna test populations from different time periods. So they will always know what original populations were like even if they do change in the future.

[gixajo]

If Sweden becomes 70% Slav in 4 generations a Putin of the future will start a new Special Military Operation in the Scandinavian Peninsula to annex it to Rusia saying that evil nationalist Scandinavians who have invented their history and never existed as a people intended to start a genocide against the Slavs who have always lived in that territory for millennia, helped by homosexual Jews , and that they intended to sell their imaginary country so that the West could use it as a base to attack and destroy Russia because...because..."they are envious of our marvelous country and its influence in the world" and...

[Petalpusher]

As we know, when calculating regional averages in DNA projects, outliers are eliminated.

Imagine a theoretical scenario: A lot of South Slavs migrate to Sweden Stockholm. After 4 generations, the children of those migrants become 70% of Stockholm province and almost all of them start to identify as Swedish instead of identifying as Serbian, Bulgarians, Croatian and etc. In that case, will the regional average Swedish_Stockholm genetically be South Slavic-like? I mean, will Swedish_Stockholm be represented as South Slavic-like in the calculators of GEDmatch?

Of course not, we have great track records of population movements since at least the holocene, with the last major ethnogenesis shifts of Europe in the Bronze Age/Iron Age, so up to 3500-4000 years of sometimes surprising continuity. We know who's native or who's not.

National averages are already excluding people of recent immigration obviously, although initially it's self reported genealogy of having "4 native grandparents" so it's not 100% reliable before hand but they still reject too obvious outliers in academic databases when done properly.

If the population was to become so numerous among natives, you would likely get at some point references in the likes of "Scandinavian_Slav", in the same way you get some "Balkan_Turk". Provided they also mix at scale with the natives, otherwise it would be pointless. To change a national average in any meaningful way, it takes a lot of people and a lot of time as well, way more than people imagine, several hundreds years at least.

[Feiichy]

:rolleyes:

[gixajo]

:rolleyes:

Surely you dream frequently with a (South) Slavic Sweden, you, Balto-Slavic-Germanic-Balkan supremacist!!!:p

[Feiichy]

Surely you dream frequently with a (South) Slavic Sweden, you, Balto-Slavic-Germanic-Balkan supremacist!!!:p

This is a intentional troll thread.

[gixajo]

This is a intentional troll thread.

I know, I am helping to make it that way.:thumb001:

[Petalpusher]

This is a intentional troll thread.

More like reboun's obsession to deny Turks ethnicity by implying those who are tested aren't really Turks. Just keeps at it with different "angles" each times.

[Feiichy]

More like reboun's obsession to deny Turks ethnicity by implying those who are tested aren't really Turks. Just keeps at it with different "angles" each times.

Yes because he is Bosniak with identity crisis because he isn't an ethnic Turk.

[reboun]

This is a intentional troll thread.


Yes because he is Bosniak with identity crisis because he isn't an ethnic Turk.

No, ma'am, simply no...

[reboun]

They would still know that there is admixture and where it is from. I think most populations now have been tested so there are databases with all these populations' results. Also in most countries now they can dna test populations from different time periods. So they will always know what original populations were like even if they do change in the future.


Of course not, we have great track records of population movements since at least the holocene, with the last major ethnogenesis shifts of Europe in the Bronze Age/Iron Age, so up to 3500-4000 years of sometimes surprising continuity. We know who's native or who's not.

National averages are already excluding people of recent immigration obviously, although initially it's self reported genealogy of having "4 native grandparents" so it's not 100% reliable before hand but they still reject too obvious outliers in academic databases when done properly.

If the population was to become so numerous among natives, you would likely get at some point references in the likes of "Scandinavian_Slav", in the same way you get some "Balkan_Turk". Provided they also mix at scale with the natives, otherwise it would be pointless. To change a national average in any meaningful way, it takes a lot of people and a lot of time as well, way more than people imagine, several hundreds years at least.

So in that case, Swedish_Stockholm is going to be the outlier Swedish province when compared to the other provinces, right?

[Katarzyna]

Ok offering myself for a similar experiment. I have around 20% Germanic to give away (probably the south Slavs won’t be interested in the 80% balto-Slavic as they already have enough of it themselves). Will look out for some Polish and German girls who also want to work as donors.
So Balkan-boys, come and mate with me.. first come first serve

[reboun]

Yes because he is Bosniak with identity crisis because he isn't an ethnic Turk.

Ma’am, you told me that I am not ethnically Turkish but I need to tell something to you:

- There is no universal definition of the word “ethnicity”. In Turkey, ethnicity and nationality is used interchangeably and we consider anyone who feels he/she is a part of Turkish nation is a part of Turkish nation.

- Both my mother and father identify themselves as Turkish, so do I.

- All 4 of my grandparents, my mother and my father were born and raised in Turkey.

- Almost all Bosniaks in Turkey identify as Turkish before they identify as Bosniak.

[Ugo]

If Sweden becomes 70% Slav in 4 generations a Putin of the future will start a new Special Military Operation in the Scandinavian Peninsula to annex it to Rusia saying that evil nationalist Scandinavians who have invented their history and never existed as a people intended to start a genocide against the Slavs who have always lived in that territory for millennia, helped by homosexual Jews , and that they intended to sell their imaginary country so that the West could use it as a base to attack and destroy Russia because...because..."they are envious of our marvelous country and its influence in the world" and...
This is an unfunny political joke. In any case, Russia does not need dark Slavs like Croats, who are not even Slavs, but Armenians.

[Zohor]

This is an unfunny political joke. In any case, Russia does not need dark Slavs like Croats, who are not even Slavs, but Armenians.

I agree, it sounds way too realistic.

Man, if your most crucial value is keeping light pigmentation then your life is sad.

Russia likes to attack to show it's power, as if it's the only way to show power. Not ending first animal to space, not even sending first woman to outer space, not creating know how/international culture taken with positive opinion but to show military power and remain light pigmented.

With such mindset you man sometimes give me vibe of bleached North Korean


#justice_for_dark_Russians

[Feiichy]

Ma’am, you told me that I am not ethnically Turkish but I need to tell something to you:

- There is no universal definition of the word “ethnicity”. In Turkey, ethnicity and nationality is used interchangeably and we consider anyone who feels he/she is a part of Turkish nation is a part of Turkish nation.

- Both my mother and father identify themselves as Turkish, so do I.

- All 4 of my grandparents, my mother and my father were born and raised in Turkey.

- Almost all Bosniaks in Turkey identify as Turkish before they identify as Bosniak.

Irrelevant. You are political Turks but will never be ethnic ones. Ofcourse ethnicities are easily defined. Just because you don't belong to Turkish one doesn't mean it is an invention. Sorry.

Must be pathetic existance having actual ethnicity (Bosniak) but trying hard to prove Turks don't exist.

[Feiichy]

This is an unfunny political joke. In any case, Russia does not need dark Slavs like Croats, who are not even Slavs, but Armenians.

You look like depigmented Armenian to my Croatian eyes. Please don't try to imply Croats want to emigrate to Russia because that would have been a joke of the year.

[Dušan]

- Almost all Bosniaks in Turkey identify as Turkish before they identify as Bosniak.

Dont worry, even those in Bosnia identify with Turkey, too.

Bosnian Muslim religious and political lider: "Our mother is Turkey"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gCPvGg3go


Celebration in Sarajevo after Turkey beat Croatia in football match. :p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uian6q982wA

[Ugo]

You look like depigmented Armenian to my Croatian eyes. Please don't try to imply Croats want to emigrate to Russia because that would have been a joke of the year.

You and Victor, Cassie and Russki. I am concerned about this trend. Croatian women, stop hunting Russian men! Russian men are only for Slavic women! I am anxiously anticipating the mass migration of Croatian women to the territory of the Russian Federation.

[Katarzyna]

You look like depigmented Armenian to my Croatian eyes. Please don't try to imply Croats want to emigrate to Russia because that would have been a joke of the year.

Like a north Kavkaz man more likely. He resembles Kadyrov.

[Feiichy]

Like a north Kavkaz man more likely. He resembles Kadyrov.

Agree.

[Petalpusher]

So in that case, Swedish_Stockholm is going to be the outlier Swedish province when compared to the other provinces, right?

No why would it...same if somehow you created a English_London or French_Paris. Guess what, they would pick ethnic English Londoners with at least 4 grandparents native to the city. When you do the CEU reference of the Utah German/Utah English/Utah Scandinavian, you don't include the Afro Americans, the Latinos and the Chineses in there either, yet they have been living among them for as long as several hundred years. If anything for example it's the black who are mixed with whites in the US, only very low level of it the other way around, because of back assimilation of mulattos in blacks communities consistently enough that all blacks in the US are on average 25% white or so. It's probably something like a 1:20 ratio.

in 3 or 400 years, standards could evolve, again only in the case the population would mix on a massive scale, to the point the same admixture would get spread out in the entire population evenly. You can sit and relax until then.

[reboun]

Irrelevant. You are political Turks but will never be ethnic ones. Ofcourse ethnicities are easily defined. Just because you don't belong to Turkish one doesn't mean it is an invention. Sorry.

Must be pathetic existance having actual ethnicity (Bosniak) but trying hard to prove Turks don't exist.

I never said nor claimed Turks do not exist.

Definition of an ethnicity is determined by the people who belong to that certain ethnicity. In other words, if X people considered you as a part of X ethnicity, then you are of X ethnicity.

[reboun]

No why would it...same if somehow you created a English_London or French_Paris. Guess what, they would pick ethnic English Londoners with at least 4 grandparents native to the city. When you do the CEU reference of the Utah German/Utah English/Utah Scandinavian, you don't include the Afro Americans, the Latinos and the Chineses in there either, yet they have been living among them for as long as several hundred years. If anything for example it's the black who are mixed with whites in the US, only very low level of it the other way around, because of back assimilation of mulattos in blacks communities consistently enough that all blacks in the US are on average 25% white or so. It's probably something like a 1:20 ratio.

in 3 or 400 years, standards could evolve, again only in the case the population would mix on a massive scale, to the point the same admixture would get spread out in the entire population evenly. You can sit and relax until then.

What is a CEU reference?

[Leto]

I never said nor claimed Turks do not exist.

Definition of an ethnicity is determined by the people who belong to that certain ethnicity. In other words, if X people considered you as a part of X ethnicity, then you are of X ethnicity.
Then shut the frick up already. You can be a hardcore civic nationalist so much as you want, just don't conflate that thinking with population genetics. Citizenship and birthplace do not always equal ethnicity. Of course unless we're talking about hundreds of years into the future when everyone is admixed and doesn't remember their latest foreign ancestor.

[Peterski]

What is a CEU reference?

Mormons from Utah.

[Petalpusher]

What is a CEU reference?

Colonial Euros in America, as listed above. Some English/German/Scandinavian references from Utah.

[Scandal]

Then shut the frick up already. You can be a hardcore civic nationalist so much as you want, just don't conflate that thinking with population genetics. Citizenship and birthplace do not always equal ethnicity. Of course unless we're talking about hundreds of years into the future when everyone is admixed and doesn't remember their latest foreign ancestor.
I think he discusses this topic a bit too much, but he has a point. There's a hungarian forum member here (she's probably inactive now), she was genetically closer to Germans than to Hungarians yet she identified as Hungarian. Her k13 result is probably still found in some threads.

[Etelfrido]

Sometimes I wonder something similar as a consequence of all the migrants going to Europe. As has been reasoned, if Europeans resist mixing then it'd still be possible to separate them from those who are ethnically foreign but if after some time the population becomes homogeneously mixed then the current migrations could probably be talked about no differently from how we talk about the EEF, WHG and EHG migrations.

[DraviXi99]

Sometimes I wonder something similar as a consequence of all the migrants going to Europe. As has been reasoned, if Europeans resist mixing then it'd still be possible to separate them from those who are ethnically foreign but if after some time the population becomes homogeneously mixed then the current migrations could probably be talked about no differently from how we talk about the EEF, WHG and EHG migrations.

What is a south atlantid ?

[Kess]

What is a south atlantid ?

A Brazilian local phenotype I guess.

[Etelfrido]

What is a south atlantid ?
A made-by-me phenotype that denotes white-looking people from the South American Atlantic coast. :D

[Petalpusher]

Sometimes I wonder something similar as a consequence of all the migrants going to Europe. As has been reasoned, if Europeans resist mixing then it'd still be possible to separate them from those who are ethnically foreign but if after some time the population becomes homogeneously mixed then the current migrations could probably be talked about no differently from how we talk about the EEF, WHG and EHG migrations.

That's crazy. You could fit all the WHG, EEF, EHG,... and whatnot of West Eurasian extraction that Europeans get, in not even half of the little green cluster (some green going very right are there only because of genuine Mongoloid influence in the far east and Russia), when immigrants are from all over the pca at the scale of the world. It's not even a close comparison.

https://pjt111.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/li09pca.jpg?w=960

The closest thing we have of filling all those gaps and immense genetic distances is actually Latin America and even there are many holes with major populations of triracials (not enough East Asian and Oceanian influences)

[Etelfrido]

That's crazy. You could fit all the WHG, EEF, EHG,... and whatnot of West Eurasian extraction that Europeans get, in not even half of the little green cluster (some green going very right are there only because of genuine Mongoloid influence in the far east and Russia), when immigrants are from all over the pca at the scale of the world. It's not even a close comparison.

https://pjt111.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/li09pca.jpg?w=960

The closest thing we have of filling all those gaps and immense genetic distances is actually Latin America and even there are many holes with major populations of triracials (not enough East Asian and Oceanian influences)
That's right, it's not a perfect comparison because the immigrants aren't all related to one another but what I had in mind was the impact they'd make on the native population if sufficient mixing takes place. I'm not a proponent of it, btw.

[lei.talk]

What is a south atlantid ?

a nine-year-old girl at our local ásatrú church (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?179963-Homeschooling-Social-good-or-social-ill&p=7739905&viewfull=1#post7739905)
has informed me that "Südatlantid"
is an indigenous taxon of south america (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#PAMPID)
detailed in albert drexel (https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/0257-9774-2010-2-555/albert-drexel-18-6-1889-9-3-1977-priester-sprachwissenschaftler-und-voelkerkundler-eine-gesamtbiogra-sche-wuerdigung-volume-105-2010-issue-2?page=1)'s encyclopedic volumes:


https://i.imgur.com/q4xMkGb.gif



https://i.imgur.com/L1cYDGM.gifhttps://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png

[lei.talk]

as mentioned a few hours ago (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?379308-If-a-lot-of-South-Slavs-immigrate-to-Sweden-Stockholm&p=7869428#post7869428),

we are at our local ásatrú church
preparing for our annual twelvetide recital-night (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?368152-Whites-Built-America!&p=7623626#post7623626)

and there are children milling about
clutching their scripts
and searching for the tape on the floor of the stage
bearing their name.

one of the girls approached me
holding out a page



https://i.imgur.com/bdY9X3a.png

and said "I heard what my sister said about Albert Drexel's Südatlantid South American. As you can see from this map, Henri Vallois (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Victor_Vallois)' Sud-Atlantique is synonymous with Baron von Eickstedt (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_von_Eickstedt)'s Brasilid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BRAZILID). I copied this map from his book in the church library."



https://i.imgur.com/Tzpvtax.png (https://www.google.com/search?q=Henri+Victor+Vallois+LES+RACES+HUMAINES)h ttps://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png


children that are home-schooled (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling)
behave differently than those tormented souls
trapped with ignorant savages most of the day
during the very impressionable formative years.



https://i.imgur.com/xTsPkWD.png (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?378056-A-Question-for-Parents-Teachers-and-Education-Students-on-Learning-Methods&p=7852804#post7852804)https://i.imgur.com/u7leimb.png