Boudin
12-05-2023, 02:19 AM
Here are three sets of K36 coordinates for people with known 23andMe regions. If K36 is any good, it should be possible to guesstimate approximately what countries their regions are located in, right?
aK36,0.74,0,0,3.48,0,7.98,0,0,8.39,0,2.01,0.13,0,1 1.19,6.75,15.59,0,10.74,0,1.03,2.21,12.74,1.41,10. 3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1.98,3.31
bK36,0.41,0,0,3.09,0,6.64,0,0,6.75,0,4.15,0,0,11.4 1,5.59,16.29,0,13.79,0,0,0,10.83,0.07,14.25,0,0,0, 0,0,0.64,0,0,1.3,0,1.99,2.8
cK36,0.76,0.3,0,0.77,0,9.44,0,0,4.78,0,4.58,0,0,10 .54,2.88,16.73,0,16.46,0,0,0,12.45,3.99,6.49,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,1.46,0,0.1,0,0,8.2
One in particular has a small but significant (several percentage points) amount of ancestry from a region very genetically dissimilar to the others. So at the very least, I am expecting someone to be able to identify the outlier set of coordinates and what this region is.
All three individuals are Americans of overwhelmingly Northwest European ancestry.
Distance to: bK36
7.34049045 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
7.63435001 French
8.06420486 German_Hesse_South
8.12147770 French_Northeast
8.41418445 Belgian-2
8.59881387 Belgian
8.78024487 Flemish
9.12426983 French_Northwest
9.53584815 Swiss_German_North
9.57894566 German_Bavaria_proper
9.86702083 German_Baden-Württemberg
10.06215683 German_Saarland
10.25382855 French_Rhone-Alpes
10.31530901 French-2
10.73683380 German_North_Rhine
10.82618585 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
10.82895655 French_Central
10.88196673 Dutch_South
11.60185330 Austrian_Burgenland
11.60979759 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
11.85680395 English_East
11.93668715 Austrian_LowerAustria
11.99639946 English_East-Midlands
12.08917284 English_Southeast
12.51781930 French_Brittany
Distance to: aK36
9.56507188 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
10.13976824 French
10.75623540 German_Hesse_South
11.40178933 Austrian_Burgenland
11.55298663 French_Northwest
11.60682558 Belgian
11.69450298 French_Northeast
11.83406946 Swiss_German_North
11.88349696 Belgian-2
11.93392643 French_Rhone-Alpes
12.09444914 Flemish
12.31767023 German_Bavaria_proper
12.44440838 German_Baden-Württemberg
12.58767651 French-2
12.72616989 Dutch_South
12.84413485 German_Saarland
12.90561506 Austrian_Tyrol
13.09900760 French_Brittany
13.53186240 French_Central
13.62480092 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
14.12613889 English_East
14.24628373 English_East-Midlands
14.25759096 English_Southeast
14.30824937 English_Southwest
14.34252070 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
Distance to: cK36
12.76135965 Swiss_German_North
12.79403767 French
13.00781688 French-2
13.18555649 German_Saarland
13.23668010 French_Rhone-Alpes
13.24635799 German_Baden-Württemberg
13.26954408 French_Central
13.41823014 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
13.42982502 Austrian_Tyrol
13.80462604 French_Northeast
13.91871043 German_Hesse_South
14.13846173 German_Bavaria_proper
14.44193200 Italian_Veneto
14.55359749 French_Northwest
14.59393367 Austrian_Burgenland
14.71939876 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
14.86821778 French_South
14.95608906 Italian_North
15.01703366 Italian_Friuli
15.15809025 Belgian
15.18785041 Flemish
15.62129956 Italian_Aosta
15.71392694 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
16.22128848 German_Bavarian_Swabia
16.28017506 Portuguese_Azores
Boudin
12-05-2023, 05:26 PM
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Any interpretation of these coordinates?
Any interpretation of these coordinates?
It looks like Alsace.
Boudin
12-05-2023, 06:23 PM
It looks like Alsace.
Right, they're all mostly French (probably less Alsace than implied, but that's not important). One of the sets comes from someone with a small amount of a very genetically dissimilar population, and that is what I'm most curious about; if anyone can identify the outlier coordinates and the ancestry that makes them an outlier.
cK36 is the most interesting, but not particularly unusual.
Target: cK36 (100 iterations, 27,261 models generated in 25 ms)
1 10.528 65% Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria + 35% Spanish_Cantabria
2 10.621 73% Austrian_Tyrol + 27% Spanish_Cantabria
3 11.034 51% German_Saxony-Anhalt_South + 49% Spanish_Valencia
4 11.259 92% French_Rhone-Alpes + 8% Finnish_Northeast
5 11.324 92% French_Central + 8% Finnish_Northeast
6 11.375 72% German_Baden-Württemberg + 28% Spanish_Valencia
7 11.473 89% Italian_North + 11% Finnish_Northeast
8 11.693 78% French-2 + 22% Greek_NE
9 11.696 77% Swiss_German_North + 23% Spanish_Valencia
10 12.676 70% French_Northwest + 30% Italian
Target: bK36 (100 iterations, 27,261 models generated in 19 ms)
1 6.207 94% French + 6% Finnish_Northeast
2 6.327 72% French_Central + 28% Swedish_North
3 7.383 81% Belgian-2 + 19% Portuguese
4 7.722 56% Italian_Aosta + 44% Icelandic
5 7.744 72% French-2 + 28% Norwegian
6 7.933 51% Icelandic + 49% Spanish_Baleares
7 8.131 52% Spanish_Baleares + 48% Norwegian
8 8.306 60% German_Westphalia + 40% Spanish_Valencia
9 8.317 82% French_Northwest + 18% Romanian
10 8.471 53% Norwegian + 47% Spanish_Valencia
11 8.578 58% Italian_North + 42% Swedish
12 8.799 52% Portuguese + 48% Swedish
Target: aK36 (100 iterations, 27,261 models generated in 18 ms)
1 8.821 94% French + 6% Finnish_Northeast
2 8.910 91% French_Rhone-Alpes + 9% Finnish_Northeast
3 8.968 93% German_Rhineland-Palatinate + 7% Basque_Spain
4 9.426 64% Dutch_South + 36% Portuguese-2
5 9.434 59% Portuguese-2 + 41% Swedish_North
6 9.668 61% Austrian_Burgenland + 39% French_Central
7 9.675 64% German_County_Glatz + 36% Spanish_Valencia
8 9.688 55% Dutch_Central + 45% Portuguese_Azores
9 9.922 58% Portuguese + 42% Swedish_North
10 10.100 54% Portuguese_Azores + 46% Icelandic
11 10.530 67% French_Central + 33% Norwegian
12 10.580 72% French-2 + 28% Norwegian
13 10.743 80% French_Northwest + 20% Montenegrin
14 10.800 53% Norwegian + 47% Spanish
15 11.012 86% Belgian-2 + 14% Jewish_Ashkenazi
Target: French_Northwest (100 iterations, 27,028 models generated in 9 ms)
1 1.965 56% Cornish + 44% French_Central
2 2.020 55% English_Northeast + 45% French_Central
3 2.092 51% Irish_Leinster + 49% French_Central
4 2.145 51% Scottish + 49% French_Central
5 2.450 53% French_Central + 47% Irish_Munster
6 3.192 68% French-2 + 32% Icelandic
7 3.281 56% Irish_Munster + 44% Italian_Aosta
8 3.365 85% Belgian-2 + 15% Spanish_Aragon
9 3.505 55% Irish_Connacht + 45% Italian_Aosta
10 3.606 54% Irish_Ulster + 46% Italian_Aosta
11 3.960 63% Welsh + 37% Italian_North
12 6.194 69% French_Brittany2 + 31% Italian_North
13 6.427 57% Italian_Aosta + 43% Norwegian
14 7.277 82% Swiss_German_North + 18% Norwegian
Boudin
12-06-2023, 12:18 AM
cK36 is the most interesting, but not particularly unusual.
Target: cK36 (100 iterations, 27,261 models generated in 25 ms)
1 10.528 65% Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria + 35% Spanish_Cantabria
2 10.621 73% Austrian_Tyrol + 27% Spanish_Cantabria
3 11.034 51% German_Saxony-Anhalt_South + 49% Spanish_Valencia
4 11.259 92% French_Rhone-Alpes + 8% Finnish_Northeast
5 11.324 92% French_Central + 8% Finnish_Northeast
6 11.375 72% German_Baden-Württemberg + 28% Spanish_Valencia
7 11.473 89% Italian_North + 11% Finnish_Northeast
8 11.693 78% French-2 + 22% Greek_NE
9 11.696 77% Swiss_German_North + 23% Spanish_Valencia
10 12.676 70% French_Northwest + 30% Italian
Close, it's Sicily (less than 2%, I misremembered). After reading your first post I realized it shows up as Italian in the distances, so I experimented myself and found it shows as Sardinian in the oracles, with Finnish_Northeast apparently as a proxy for the trace Amerindian they all share.
I used these sources (https://pastebin.com/raw/6tM7n6n5).
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