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Touijer
12-12-2023, 03:49 AM
While there can be a case made for Men where you can distinguish them by haplogroup, what about about women from the haplogroup of their fathers. It may sound weird because women don’t have a Y chromosome but if we take real life exemples we can notice that most Norwegian women look different then English, French or even Finnish with N haplo despite having around the same autosomal and X chromosome.

Another observation I made is hair color. The women who have I1 fathers are mostly blonde while women with R1b fathers are mostly dark haired or ginger. I also noticed that J1 and E1b men and women can have blond hair if they have more northern autosomal unlike R1b who most likely has a darkening agent.

Some will argue and say, “idiot it’s because of the autosomal”. If that was the case then Welsh women, French women, Southern German women should be blonde then, and not blonde from the corner store hair dye box but real blonde which is rare. You can notice that blonds start to peak in Netherlands where there is over 30% I1 and virtually absent from Belgium which is next door.

Unlike my other opinions, I’m not too sure about this one hence why it’s just an observation that might be interesting

kingmob
12-12-2023, 05:18 AM
Read up on recessive/dominant genes in relation to their expression.

This is a longterm process, if enough dominant genes are introduced into a group variation, over time the expression of the average will change.

Y-chr does not express phenotype traits. You could however make the argument that the successful lineages are the ones that express their dominant genes/traits more frequently (as a process of elimination of the other) but this is a variation in population genetics that is not linked to the actual y-chr. by itself.

Boudin
12-12-2023, 05:40 PM
In other words, the correlation here is not causation.

Petalpusher
12-12-2023, 05:53 PM
The only thing i could venture to have noticed all these years around here is that H1c women are always above average in looks. Id like to be proven wrong with some really ugly ones, but i can see some selection possibly having going on with some particular lineages even more extremely biased towards esthetic criterias (knowing how men think). In and of itself that wouldn't have much to do with the haplo per say, just some founding effects snowballing i suspect.

Touijer
12-13-2023, 01:22 AM
Interesting

Boudin
12-13-2023, 04:19 AM
The only thing i could venture to have noticed all these years around here is that H1c women are always above average in looks.

How many women advertise their mtDNA where you live?

rothaer
12-13-2023, 06:08 AM
In other words, the correlation here is not causation.

Exactly.

Petalpusher
12-13-2023, 08:53 AM
How many women advertise their mtDNA where you live?

None but many on forums like this.