View Full Version : What does "Northeast_African" refer to in the Eurogenes?
Creaticia
12-14-2023, 02:49 PM
I see that this component is present in about 50% of the Nile peoples (Ethiopians, Eritreans) and in moderate quantities in North Africans.
What does someone who is predominantly Northeast_African look like? A sub-Saharan?
EDIT 1 :
Here are a few examples:
125252
125253
axel.aleman
12-14-2023, 03:05 PM
Suscribed
I have some of this being an panchito
Creaticia
12-14-2023, 03:13 PM
Suscribed
I have some of this being an panchito
What are your roots ?
Petalpusher
12-14-2023, 03:14 PM
Horners
It's some type of SSA with some old back migration of basal Eurasian. Halfies, best illustrated by "Mota", when it comes to ancient sample.
axel.aleman
12-14-2023, 03:18 PM
What are your roots ?
Spanish + black + minor Central American natives + residual East Asian due Chinese grandgrandfather
Creaticia
12-14-2023, 03:18 PM
Horners
It's some type of SSA with some old back migration of basal Eurasian. Halfies, best illustrated by "Mota", when it comes to ancient sample.
In fact, I find that even when they don't look mixed, they don't look like SSAs.
Creaticia
12-14-2023, 03:21 PM
Here are a few examples:
125252
125253
Petalpusher
12-14-2023, 03:22 PM
In fact, I find that even when they don't look mixed, they don't look like SSAs.
That's expected, they have some caucasoid features because they are part that but from a long time ago, when eurasians were not as separated yet. Likely selection still prevailed for darker skins due to geography, not intermediates (they don't look like mulattos either)
Ajeje Brazorf
12-14-2023, 03:41 PM
Horners
It's some type of SSA with some old back migration of basal Eurasian. Halfies, best illustrated by "Mota", when it comes to ancient sample.
Mota (I5950) is 90% SSA-like, Horners like Somalians have much less, about 57%.
List of samples by Northeast_African score
<tbody>
Sample
North_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast_African
Sub-Saharan
Ethiopia_4500BP_published.SG
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,35
0
0
0,42
1,77
79,51
16,96
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,13
0,24
0,38
1,39
1,35
79,07
16,45
Aari.DG
0,67
0,815
0
1,455
2,345
10,575
0
1,155
0
0,25
0
75,325
7,415
Kenya_Kakapel_LIA:KPL003
0,92
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,78
0
2,55
75,13
19,62
Mursi.DG
0
0
0
0,255
0
1,685
0,27
0
0
0,265
0,32
69,98
27,225
Kenya_IA_Pastoral_contam
0
0
0
0
0
20,61
0
0
2,91
0
0
66
10,48
Kenya_PastoralN:I8758
1,19
0,83
0
3
9,48
19,33
0
0
0
1,09
0
65,08
0
Sengwer.DG
0
0,115
0
0
1,305
7,655
0,035
0,475
0,365
0,305
0
63,41
26,33
Kenya_Historic_2:I12379
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_Historic_2
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_PastoralN:I8918
0
0
0,23
0
11,84
22,47
0
0
1,69
0
1,01
62,77
0
Kenya_PastoralN:I8920
0
0
0
0
13,84
20,45
0
0
0,92
0
0
62,16
2,63
Kenya_LSA:I8808
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LSA
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN:LUK001
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_PastoralN_Nderit_possible_lc
0
0
1,38
0
19,27
0
2,7
0
0
0
0
61,67
14,98
Masai.DG
0
0
1,115
0
1,985
11,415
0,6
0
0,52
0
0
61,18
23,18
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore:KPL001
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Ignore_Hadza_Henn_duplicate.WGA
0
1,94
0
0,68
0
0,82
2,85
0
0,36
0,21
0,42
60,35
32,37
Tanzania_Zanzibar_1300BP
0
0
0
1,64
0
0
0,36
0
0
0
2,81
60,18
35,01
Tanzania_PN_IA_published
1,545
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,92
60,085
35,455
Kenya_MoloCave_PastoralN:MOL001
0
0
2,18
0
7,33
18,05
0,19
0
0
0
0,64
60,04
11,58
</tbody>
Eurafricanid
12-14-2023, 03:50 PM
Mota (I5950) is 90% SSA-like, Horners like Somalians have much less, about 57%.
List of samples by Northeast_African score
<tbody>
Sample
North_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast_African
Sub-Saharan
Ethiopia_4500BP_published.SG
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,35
0
0
0,42
1,77
79,51
16,96
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,13
0,24
0,38
1,39
1,35
79,07
16,45
Aari.DG
0,67
0,815
0
1,455
2,345
10,575
0
1,155
0
0,25
0
75,325
7,415
Kenya_Kakapel_LIA:KPL003
0,92
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,78
0
2,55
75,13
19,62
Mursi.DG
0
0
0
0,255
0
1,685
0,27
0
0
0,265
0,32
69,98
27,225
Kenya_IA_Pastoral_contam
0
0
0
0
0
20,61
0
0
2,91
0
0
66
10,48
Kenya_PastoralN:I8758
1,19
0,83
0
3
9,48
19,33
0
0
0
1,09
0
65,08
0
Sengwer.DG
0
0,115
0
0
1,305
7,655
0,035
0,475
0,365
0,305
0
63,41
26,33
Kenya_Historic_2:I12379
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_Historic_2
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_PastoralN:I8918
0
0
0,23
0
11,84
22,47
0
0
1,69
0
1,01
62,77
0
Kenya_PastoralN:I8920
0
0
0
0
13,84
20,45
0
0
0,92
0
0
62,16
2,63
Kenya_LSA:I8808
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LSA
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN:LUK001
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_PastoralN_Nderit_possible_lc
0
0
1,38
0
19,27
0
2,7
0
0
0
0
61,67
14,98
Masai.DG
0
0
1,115
0
1,985
11,415
0,6
0
0,52
0
0
61,18
23,18
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore:KPL001
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Ignore_Hadza_Henn_duplicate.WGA
0
1,94
0
0,68
0
0,82
2,85
0
0,36
0,21
0,42
60,35
32,37
Tanzania_Zanzibar_1300BP
0
0
0
1,64
0
0
0,36
0
0
0
2,81
60,18
35,01
Tanzania_PN_IA_published
1,545
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,92
60,085
35,455
Kenya_MoloCave_PastoralN:MOL001
0
0
2,18
0
7,33
18,05
0,19
0
0
0
0,64
60,04
11,58
</tbody>
From what it shows here the Northeast African component represents the East African component present in Mota, without the Eurasian input.
Petalpusher
12-17-2023, 11:34 AM
Mota (I5950) is 90% SSA-like, Horners like Somalians have much less, about 57%.
List of samples by Northeast_African score
<tbody>
Sample
North_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast_African
Sub-Saharan
Ethiopia_4500BP_published.SG
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,35
0
0
0,42
1,77
79,51
16,96
Ethiopia_4500BP:I5950
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,13
0,24
0,38
1,39
1,35
79,07
16,45
Aari.DG
0,67
0,815
0
1,455
2,345
10,575
0
1,155
0
0,25
0
75,325
7,415
Kenya_Kakapel_LIA:KPL003
0,92
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,78
0
2,55
75,13
19,62
Mursi.DG
0
0
0
0,255
0
1,685
0,27
0
0
0,265
0,32
69,98
27,225
Kenya_IA_Pastoral_contam
0
0
0
0
0
20,61
0
0
2,91
0
0
66
10,48
Kenya_PastoralN:I8758
1,19
0,83
0
3
9,48
19,33
0
0
0
1,09
0
65,08
0
Sengwer.DG
0
0,115
0
0
1,305
7,655
0,035
0,475
0,365
0,305
0
63,41
26,33
Kenya_Historic_2:I12379
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_Historic_2
1,59
0,04
0
0
3,01
13,05
0,6
0,64
0,23
0
0
63,33
17,51
Kenya_PastoralN:I8918
0
0
0,23
0
11,84
22,47
0
0
1,69
0
1,01
62,77
0
Kenya_PastoralN:I8920
0
0
0
0
13,84
20,45
0
0
0,92
0
0
62,16
2,63
Kenya_LSA:I8808
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LSA
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,91
0,15
0,35
1,09
0,26
61,94
33,29
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN:LUK001
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_LukenyaHill_PastoralN
1,8
0
0
0
13,16
18,52
0
0,23
0
0
1,71
61,67
2,91
Kenya_PastoralN_Nderit_possible_lc
0
0
1,38
0
19,27
0
2,7
0
0
0
0
61,67
14,98
Masai.DG
0
0
1,115
0
1,985
11,415
0,6
0
0,52
0
0
61,18
23,18
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore:KPL001
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Kenya_Kakapel_LSA_Kansyore
0
0
0
0
0
0
1,14
0
0
1,4
1,27
60,83
35,37
Ignore_Hadza_Henn_duplicate.WGA
0
1,94
0
0,68
0
0,82
2,85
0
0,36
0,21
0,42
60,35
32,37
Tanzania_Zanzibar_1300BP
0
0
0
1,64
0
0
0,36
0
0
0
2,81
60,18
35,01
Tanzania_PN_IA_published
1,545
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2,92
60,085
35,455
Kenya_MoloCave_PastoralN:MOL001
0
0
2,18
0
7,33
18,05
0,19
0
0
0
0,64
60,04
11,58
</tbody>
Because Northeast African is part Eurasian, something like half so 80/2 = 40 + the 16% SSA they score, circa 55% which is what they score on average with a legitimate SSA only component (but even SSA are a little bit part eurasian). Even at K3 that tends to overestimate SSA.
Somali
SSA 61.53
West Eurasian 38.13
East Eurasian 0.34
Yoruba score 100% in this test.
It's the same admixture effect when you create a North African component it's gonna capture some of their SSA in there, and of course a good chunk of their Eurasian, while still scoring some SSA on the side.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.