Sacha's IllustrativeDNA Results

[sacha]

Hello 7abibis, I see a few different threads to post IllustrativeDNA results but they seem to be a little disjointed, so I decided to make my own because I am bored and procrastinating. I am a bit new here still, but I have had time off work and been more interested in this sort of thing recently, so I am being quite active lol, it will probably go down a bit once I have things to do again. I took a 23andMe test in 2022 and I uploaded that data to Illustrative, for the most part to get coordinates but I like their interface as well. To start it off, here are my Illustrative-provided G25 coordinates:

Sacha(Syrian)_scaled,0.100164,0.156392,-0.036581,-0.09367,-0.016926,-0.023148,0.000705,-0.001846,0.005522,0.019499,0.007957,0.001948,0.019 772,0.008395,-0.018322,-0.005967,-0.01017,0.002154,-0.003142,-0.006128,-0.004617,0.003586,-0.005053,-0.006748,0.005628
Sacha(Syrian)_unscaled,0.0088,0.0154,-0.0097,-0.029,-0.0055,-0.0083,0.0003,-0.0008,0.0027,0.0107,0.0049,0.0013,0.0133,0.0061,-0.0135,-0.0045,-0.0078,0.0017,-0.0025,-0.0049,-0.0037,0.0029,-0.0041,-0.0056,0.0047

Click the images I linked below for better quality, I only put the medium version so they did not end up too large, even under the spoiler.

I know G25 is not the best for ancient component breakdowns, but this is what Illustrative gave me:
https://i.ibb.co/bzTd9xq/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-27-51-PM.png (https://ibb.co/3B2hZwG)

Admixture calculators, including G25, are always 'unfriendly' to me; I think this is because the closest population to me is Lebanese Christians, and while I am similar to them I have a bit more of a Northern shifted that makes me plot weirdly, since there are no samples that represent this. Here are my closest ancient and modern samples on Illustrative:

https://i.ibb.co/47HDMWP/image.png (https://ibb.co/ZV0wKdW)
https://i.ibb.co/nbbxd1x/image.png (https://ibb.co/G00zYMz)

As well as a few PCAs from the site, I like their PCA browser:

https://i.ibb.co/Vp2LSW7/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-30-56-PM.png (https://ibb.co/4gPFTZ6)
https://i.ibb.co/SVqrhJX/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-32-00-PM.png (https://ibb.co/nQhCHRs)
https://i.ibb.co/Qp9QBH6/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-32-48-PM.png (https://ibb.co/xXhLvgM)


And here are both the global and Levant-only versions of their 'Periodic Ancient Ancestry Breakdown'... I think the global one tends to overfit me with higher Anatolian and then makes up for it with Arabian Peninsula, but that amount of admixture would not make much sense. It does the same with Sicani, et cetera

https://i.ibb.co/jVXbSnc/image.png (https://ibb.co/n3J6FxH)
https://i.ibb.co/g4vMHBb/image.png (https://ibb.co/y4hnGbm)


Here is the funny mixture calculations people like, with no limits + global

https://i.ibb.co/xMhvJpX/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-41-51-PM.png (https://ibb.co/2jq2gDW)
https://i.ibb.co/zsqGs64/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-55-31-PM.png (https://ibb.co/2qGgqZk)
https://i.ibb.co/ZgWH9jW/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-53-33-PM.png (https://ibb.co/WzgDChg)
https://i.ibb.co/h8thzzD/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-22-PM.png (https://ibb.co/ggBHKKz)
https://i.ibb.co/71Sg4LD/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-35-PM.png (https://ibb.co/2kF8NHr)
https://i.ibb.co/RQzWnH5/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-42-PM.png (https://ibb.co/HGnQvgJ)
https://i.ibb.co/NWSYwFx/Screenshot-2023-12-18-at-8-50-50-PM.png (https://ibb.co/SVrvq6N)

[DomitiusAurelian]

It's always interesting to see Syrian ID results.

[sacha]

It's always interesting to see Syrian ID results.

Thank you, I think mine are a bit weird, but I'm a weird minority so it is to be expected haha. I am going to order an Ancestry test as well to be done at some point to try to get coordinates with better raw data and see if anything changes, but that will take a while to come back, so I wanted to just archive my ID results for now.

[cj_227]

Byzantine Christian who didn't flee to Anatolia in the wake of the Arab conquest

[Peterski]

Can you post your Eurogenes K36 results from GEDmatch?

[kingmob]

Substantial Seleucid/Anatolian Greek mix.

[sacha]

Can you post your Eurogenes K36 results from GEDmatch?
https://i.ibb.co/RH2rKLV/image-psd-6.png

Result (removed empty ones):
Arabian 7.86 Pct
Armenian 8.02 Pct
East_Med 42.7 Pct
Iberian 0.33 Pct
Italian 8.6 Pct
Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
North_African 1.03 Pct
West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
West_Med 7.03 Pct

By chr:

https://i.ibb.co/xDb58Z9/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-02-06-AM.png

[rothaer]

My dear, you lack what is essential for a normal human from our point of view, i. e. WHG and EHG. :p

https://i.imgur.com/1meTDyY.jpg

Instead of that you torment us with Natufian. :fear:

Half kidding. :) I wonder what is the difference in these 10,000 BP terms compared to an average Syrian. What do you think?

Source data:


ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312 ,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
CHG=GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0. 2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
WHG=LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.1921 86,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.0 2278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.00274 5,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
Natufian=Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
S_Asian_HG=Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
SSA=Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4,-0.042115,-0.224432,-0.205154,0.215442,0.145566,-0.322398,-0.007285,0.014538,-0.000818,0.003098,-0.004872,-0.002248,0.004311,-0.001239,-0.008415,-0.000796,0.004694,-0.001774,-0.01169,-0.003377,0.003369,-0.006801,-0.000863,-0.001928,-0.00946
Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534

[sacha]

My dear, you lack what is essential for a normal human from our point of view, i. e. WHG and EHG. :p

https://i.imgur.com/1meTDyY.jpg

Instead of that you torment us with Natufian. :shocked:

Half kidding. :) I wonder what is the difference in these 10,000 BP terms compared to an average Syrian. What do you think?

Source data:


ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312 ,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
CHG=GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0. 2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
WHG=LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.1921 86,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.0 2278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.00274 5,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
Natufian=Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
S_Asian_HG=Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
SSA=Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4,-0.042115,-0.224432,-0.205154,0.215442,0.145566,-0.322398,-0.007285,0.014538,-0.000818,0.003098,-0.004872,-0.002248,0.004311,-0.001239,-0.008415,-0.000796,0.004694,-0.001774,-0.01169,-0.003377,0.003369,-0.006801,-0.000863,-0.001928,-0.00946
Iberomaurusian=MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


I am just an OG :cool:

I ran some more samples from my friends & the average Syrian sample (EDIT: I grabbed the wrong sample, ignore that one) through your model:
https://i.ibb.co/JsnpywK/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-24-07-AM.png (https://ibb.co/4VWSYn7)

Maybe I am from Atlantis, that is how my PCAs make it appear xd

[kingmob]

My dear, you lack what is essential for a normal human from our point of view, i. e. WHG and EHG. :p




You mean those marsh-creatures from the bog?

[rothaer]

I am just an OG :cool:

I ran some more samples from my friends & the average Syrian sample through your model:
https://i.ibb.co/JsnpywK/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-24-07-AM.png (https://ibb.co/4VWSYn7)

Maybe I am from Atlantis, that is how my PCAs make it appear xd

An incredible genetic difference to the Syrian average! I'm pretty surprised by the EA, South-Asian_HG and SSA proportions.

However, you are to get lauded for your perfect ENF proportion. :p :thumb001:

How would you guess the Alawites in this context?

[Kess]

Do Arabs have that much ANF in general?

[rothaer]

You mean those marsh-creatures from the bog?

Yeah, those odd folks called Europeans. :)

[Laredo]

Yeah, those odd folks called Europeans. :)

Aren't those components only native to Europeans? Despite being mestizo I even have them.

[kingmob]

Yeah, those odd folks called Europeans. :)


Too bad there's not many of them left, to satisfy our curiosity.

Those farmer and caucasus folk really pulled a number on them.

[majevica]

I ran some more samples from my friends & the average Syrian sample through your model:
https://i.ibb.co/JsnpywK/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-24-07-AM.png (https://ibb.co/4VWSYn7)

Are you sure this is the Syrian average?

[sacha]

Are you sure this is the Syrian average?

I used

Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06

from Davidski’s modern pop average scaled sheet, not sure the accuracy of it because having just one average for Syria (they have Syrian Jew as well but that is different) seems like a bad thing, but maybe it is just a lack of data

[majevica]

I used

Syrian,0.0647593,0.1259791,-0.0488273,-0.060962,-0.0190156,-0.0195664,-0.0032034,-0.0024897,-0.0016685,-0.0018415,0.0023845,-0.0054188,0.0109304,0.0005794,-0.0027502,0.0051012,-0.0038155,-0.0006535,0.0020773,0.0003554,0.0015368,0.0001432,-0.0023935,-0.0007419,6.2e-06

from Davidski’s modern pop average scaled sheet, not sure the accuracy of it because having just one average for Syria (they have Syrian Jew as well but that is different) seems like a bad thing, but maybe it is just a lack of data

This is what I get when I run it through the calc, looks more accurate.

Target: Syrian
Distance: 4.5275% / 0.04527513
34.2 CHG=GEO_CHG
29.8 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
28.0 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
3.6 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
2.6 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
1.8 SSA=Yoruba

And here some other Syrian averages if you're interested:


Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.0349816,0.12612887,-0.057875333,-0.074268467,-0.020003667,-0.0246168,-0.0059220667,-0.0038767333,0.012407733,-0.0061960667,0.0054887333,-0.012428933,0.023656867,0.0023579333,0.0014568,0.0 10642467,-0.0093181333,0.0018666,0.0019692667,0.0044687333,0 .0044504667,0.0065372,-0.0020706667,0.0013576667,-0.0011016667
Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)_o,0.021626,0.112724,-0.05506,-0.059755,-0.023081,-0.029841,-0.00423,0.006461,0.003681,-0.015855,0.006983,-0.008692,0.028394,-0.001239,0.009093,0.007027,-0.023078,-0.003041,0.004902,0.025512,0.003119,0.002226,0.002 588,-0.001928,0.001317
Syrian_(Assyrian/Armenian_Profile),0.101303,0.1320185,-0.0586425,-0.0663765,-0.028159,-0.015618,0.0036425,-0.008192,-0.0193275,0.0003645,0.005927,-0.000375,0.001189,0.001514,-0.0017645,0.001127,-0.004433,0.0057645,0.005468,-0.006378,0.003057,0.004204,-0.000185,0.0010245,0.0047895
Syrian_(Irano-Mesopotamian_Profile),0.087644,0.120848,-0.0445,-0.043605,-0.02462,-0.005299,-0.007285,-0.002769,-0.020657,-0.012939,0.005846,-0.001948,0.005946,-0.00234,0.001764,0.0118,0.002999,0.002407,0.007668 ,-0.005002,-0.006988,0.00136,0.002218,0.002771,0.000479
Syrian_(Kurdish/East_Anatolian_Turk_Profile),0.100164,0.111708,-0.04186,-0.039406,-0.03416,-0.01757,-0.000705,-0.006923,-0.015748,-0.007836,0.002598,-0.003297,-0.003419,-0.001927,-0.003529,0.00411,0.000522,0.002407,0.00264,-0.005503,-0.001123,-0.001607,-0.00493,0.004579,0.002515
Syrian_(Levantine_Profile),0.071017393,0.13484786,-0.047530679,-0.068129929,-0.01372775,-0.02394475,-0.0029375,-0.0036014643,0.0014900714,0.0023625357,0.003004142 9,-0.0058340714,0.011075143,0.00004425,-0.0047211786,0.0056161429,-0.00091267857,-0.00011314286,0.0013467857,-0.00080846429,0.00071303571,0.00045042857,-0.0026322143,0.00036585714,0.00029939286
Syrian_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.040148636,0.1 1946318,-0.057562182,-0.062779455,-0.021178636,-0.021018273,-0.0027559091,-0.002937,0.0076046364,-0.0058149091,0.0037792727,-0.0099184545,0.018514909,0.00062563636,-0.00048136364,0.012511727,-0.0065073636,0.0020385455,0.0028338182,0.003933636 4,0.0013725455,0.0025629091,-0.0035293636,0.0020593636,-0.0010886364
Syrian_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.075502619,0.1208479,-0.046206238,-0.058985952,-0.020443381,-0.015631143,-0.002372381,-0.0030328571,-0.0063207143,-0.001249619,0.0023197143,-0.0023121905,0.0073196667,0.00070771429,-0.0039100476,0.0037819048,-0.0023779048,0.0018641429,0.002603619,-0.0011671905,-0.0012359524,0.0013249048,-0.00066314286,0.000068809524,0.00019957143
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.03187,0.12491,-0.050534,-0.081396,-0.025851,-0.030399,-0.005405,-0.005077,0.012476,-0.00328,0.008282,-0.010491,0.030921,-0.001651,-0.00095,0.010209,-0.008996,0.002407,-0.001257,0.01038,0.010856,0.010634,-0.00986,-0.00012,-0.005987
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.0364235,0.11 4247,-0.058265,-0.070737,-0.019696,-0.019104,0.0005875,-0.0020765,0.0052155,-0.0061045,0.002598,-0.010865,0.017319,-0.0015135,-0.000475,0.013524,0.000913,0.002597,0.004274,0.005 69,0.001747,0.0037715,-0.0014175,0.004037,-0.0006585
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.083091,0.120848,-0.045254,-0.050711,-0.027697,-0.011713,-0.003995,-0.001154,-0.01493,-0.00328,0.001949,-0.005395,0.007582,-0.000275,0.0019,0.000133,-0.012778,0.003294,0.000377,0,-0.005366,0.003957,0.002958,-0.003374,0.002634
Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile),0.0608955,0.1310 03,-0.0478945,-0.067507,-0.0166185,-0.022311,-0.000235,-0.0038075,-0.002352,0.0036445,0.0026795,-0.0107905,0.0109265,-0.004954,-0.0059035,0.013259,0.007497,-0.0006965,0.000126,-0.000625,-0.0051785,0.003957,0.0017255,0.0049405,0.001437
Syrian_Aleppo_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.0774,0.133034,-0.051666,-0.067184,-0.022466,-0.021475,-0.006345,-0.004846,-0.020452,-0.007289,0.004547,-0.0003,0.003122,0.003441,-0.004614,0.005569,-0.000261,-0.000633,0.005028,-0.008379,-0.002121,-0.003339,0.002095,0.005422,0.004311
Syrian_Damascus,0.054635,0.128972,-0.044123,-0.068476,-0.017234,-0.023985,0.00517,0.000231,0.00225,-0.002734,0.001461,-0.007793,0.013825,0.004679,-0.006515,0.001326,0.003651,-0.001774,-0.000377,-0.007629,-0.003494,-0.00371,-0.001109,-0.001446,0.004311
Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(SSA-Mixed_Profile),-0.029594,0.120848,-0.038466,-0.062016,-0.014464,-0.018128,-0.01034,-0.003692,0.019021,-0.010934,0.00682,-0.005695,0.018285,0.001239,-0.001357,0.015646,0.005085,-0.002407,-0.006159,0.000375,0.004243,0.002349,-0.003081,0.008796,-0.003113
Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.059188,0.11577,-0.051288,-0.055556,-0.024928,-0.018686,-0.00094,-0.002769,-0.007976,-0.002187,-0.00341,-0.003747,0.011298,0.006055,-0.004072,0.005701,-0.002868,-0.005321,0.00352,-0.000875,0.002496,0.001855,-0.005669,-0.007591,0.004071
Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile),0.07057,0.13405,-0.050534,-0.060724,-0.020927,-0.021753,-0.00188,-0.009461,-0.002045,0.000729,0.01494,0.000599,0.002527,-0.006331,-0.002036,0.007425,0.003781,0.006208,0.005279,-0.002751,-0.001622,0.000247,0.001232,-0.003012,-0.001317
Syrian_Raqqa_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.033009,0.123895,-0.056191,-0.072675,-0.020927,-0.02259,-0.00423,-0.001385,0.008795,-0.002734,0.004384,-0.01109,0.023191,0.000688,-0.001086,0.012729,-0.002738,0.000127,0.004651,0.012506,-0.003119,0.00371,-0.001602,0.004579,-0.001317

[Vessna]

You mean those marsh-creatures from the bog?

hey, what’s wrong with being a marsh creature?

[sacha]

An incredible genetic difference to the Syrian average! I'm pretty surprised by the EA, South-Asian_HG and SSA proportions?


This is what I get when I run it through the calc, looks more accurate.

Target: Syrian
Distance: 4.5275% / 0.04527513
34.2 CHG=GEO_CHG
29.8 Natufian=Levant_Natufian
28.0 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
3.6 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
2.6 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
1.8 SSA=Yoruba

And here some other Syrian averages if you're interested:


Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.0349816,0.12612887,-0.057875333,-0.074268467,-0.020003667,-0.0246168,-0.0059220667,-0.0038767333,0.012407733,-0.0061960667,0.0054887333,-0.012428933,0.023656867,0.0023579333,0.0014568,0.0 10642467,-0.0093181333,0.0018666,0.0019692667,0.0044687333,0 .0044504667,0.0065372,-0.0020706667,0.0013576667,-0.0011016667
Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)_o,0.021626,0.112724,-0.05506,-0.059755,-0.023081,-0.029841,-0.00423,0.006461,0.003681,-0.015855,0.006983,-0.008692,0.028394,-0.001239,0.009093,0.007027,-0.023078,-0.003041,0.004902,0.025512,0.003119,0.002226,0.002 588,-0.001928,0.001317
Syrian_(Assyrian/Armenian_Profile),0.101303,0.1320185,-0.0586425,-0.0663765,-0.028159,-0.015618,0.0036425,-0.008192,-0.0193275,0.0003645,0.005927,-0.000375,0.001189,0.001514,-0.0017645,0.001127,-0.004433,0.0057645,0.005468,-0.006378,0.003057,0.004204,-0.000185,0.0010245,0.0047895
Syrian_(Irano-Mesopotamian_Profile),0.087644,0.120848,-0.0445,-0.043605,-0.02462,-0.005299,-0.007285,-0.002769,-0.020657,-0.012939,0.005846,-0.001948,0.005946,-0.00234,0.001764,0.0118,0.002999,0.002407,0.007668 ,-0.005002,-0.006988,0.00136,0.002218,0.002771,0.000479
Syrian_(Kurdish/East_Anatolian_Turk_Profile),0.100164,0.111708,-0.04186,-0.039406,-0.03416,-0.01757,-0.000705,-0.006923,-0.015748,-0.007836,0.002598,-0.003297,-0.003419,-0.001927,-0.003529,0.00411,0.000522,0.002407,0.00264,-0.005503,-0.001123,-0.001607,-0.00493,0.004579,0.002515
Syrian_(Levantine_Profile),0.071017393,0.13484786,-0.047530679,-0.068129929,-0.01372775,-0.02394475,-0.0029375,-0.0036014643,0.0014900714,0.0023625357,0.003004142 9,-0.0058340714,0.011075143,0.00004425,-0.0047211786,0.0056161429,-0.00091267857,-0.00011314286,0.0013467857,-0.00080846429,0.00071303571,0.00045042857,-0.0026322143,0.00036585714,0.00029939286
Syrian_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.040148636,0.1 1946318,-0.057562182,-0.062779455,-0.021178636,-0.021018273,-0.0027559091,-0.002937,0.0076046364,-0.0058149091,0.0037792727,-0.0099184545,0.018514909,0.00062563636,-0.00048136364,0.012511727,-0.0065073636,0.0020385455,0.0028338182,0.003933636 4,0.0013725455,0.0025629091,-0.0035293636,0.0020593636,-0.0010886364
Syrian_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.075502619,0.1208479,-0.046206238,-0.058985952,-0.020443381,-0.015631143,-0.002372381,-0.0030328571,-0.0063207143,-0.001249619,0.0023197143,-0.0023121905,0.0073196667,0.00070771429,-0.0039100476,0.0037819048,-0.0023779048,0.0018641429,0.002603619,-0.0011671905,-0.0012359524,0.0013249048,-0.00066314286,0.000068809524,0.00019957143
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.03187,0.12491,-0.050534,-0.081396,-0.025851,-0.030399,-0.005405,-0.005077,0.012476,-0.00328,0.008282,-0.010491,0.030921,-0.001651,-0.00095,0.010209,-0.008996,0.002407,-0.001257,0.01038,0.010856,0.010634,-0.00986,-0.00012,-0.005987
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.0364235,0.11 4247,-0.058265,-0.070737,-0.019696,-0.019104,0.0005875,-0.0020765,0.0052155,-0.0061045,0.002598,-0.010865,0.017319,-0.0015135,-0.000475,0.013524,0.000913,0.002597,0.004274,0.005 69,0.001747,0.0037715,-0.0014175,0.004037,-0.0006585
Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.083091,0.120848,-0.045254,-0.050711,-0.027697,-0.011713,-0.003995,-0.001154,-0.01493,-0.00328,0.001949,-0.005395,0.007582,-0.000275,0.0019,0.000133,-0.012778,0.003294,0.000377,0,-0.005366,0.003957,0.002958,-0.003374,0.002634
Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile),0.0608955,0.1310 03,-0.0478945,-0.067507,-0.0166185,-0.022311,-0.000235,-0.0038075,-0.002352,0.0036445,0.0026795,-0.0107905,0.0109265,-0.004954,-0.0059035,0.013259,0.007497,-0.0006965,0.000126,-0.000625,-0.0051785,0.003957,0.0017255,0.0049405,0.001437
Syrian_Aleppo_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.0774,0.133034,-0.051666,-0.067184,-0.022466,-0.021475,-0.006345,-0.004846,-0.020452,-0.007289,0.004547,-0.0003,0.003122,0.003441,-0.004614,0.005569,-0.000261,-0.000633,0.005028,-0.008379,-0.002121,-0.003339,0.002095,0.005422,0.004311
Syrian_Damascus,0.054635,0.128972,-0.044123,-0.068476,-0.017234,-0.023985,0.00517,0.000231,0.00225,-0.002734,0.001461,-0.007793,0.013825,0.004679,-0.006515,0.001326,0.003651,-0.001774,-0.000377,-0.007629,-0.003494,-0.00371,-0.001109,-0.001446,0.004311
Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(SSA-Mixed_Profile),-0.029594,0.120848,-0.038466,-0.062016,-0.014464,-0.018128,-0.01034,-0.003692,0.019021,-0.010934,0.00682,-0.005695,0.018285,0.001239,-0.001357,0.015646,0.005085,-0.002407,-0.006159,0.000375,0.004243,0.002349,-0.003081,0.008796,-0.003113
Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile),0.059188,0.11577,-0.051288,-0.055556,-0.024928,-0.018686,-0.00094,-0.002769,-0.007976,-0.002187,-0.00341,-0.003747,0.011298,0.006055,-0.004072,0.005701,-0.002868,-0.005321,0.00352,-0.000875,0.002496,0.001855,-0.005669,-0.007591,0.004071
Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile),0.07057,0.13405,-0.050534,-0.060724,-0.020927,-0.021753,-0.00188,-0.009461,-0.002045,0.000729,0.01494,0.000599,0.002527,-0.006331,-0.002036,0.007425,0.003781,0.006208,0.005279,-0.002751,-0.001622,0.000247,0.001232,-0.003012,-0.001317
Syrian_Raqqa_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile),0.033009,0.123895,-0.056191,-0.072675,-0.020927,-0.02259,-0.00423,-0.001385,0.008795,-0.002734,0.004384,-0.01109,0.023191,0.000688,-0.001086,0.012729,-0.002738,0.000127,0.004651,0.012506,-0.003119,0.00371,-0.001602,0.004579,-0.001317


Oh no, I'm a little embarrassed now, maybe I accidentally grabbed something else and mislabeled it xd. Okay that is good to know, I was staring at it like "That's very, very weird." but I had something to do and did not double check it.

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.05687700 Syrian_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06350839 Syrian_(Assyrian/Armenian_Profile)
0.06745094 Syrian_Aleppo_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.06761577 Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06793164 Syrian_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.06885868 Syrian_Damascus
0.06906376 Syrian
0.06964353 Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)
0.07473453 Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.08096010 Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.08767387 Syrian_(Irano-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.08871851 Syrian_(Kurdish/East_Anatolian_Turk_Profile)
0.08968406 Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)
0.09073698 Syrian_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.09197727 Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)
0.09217137 Syrian_Raqqa_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)
0.09506671 Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.11670125 Syrian_(Arabian-Mixed_Profile)_o
0.14814184 Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(SSA-Mixed_Profile)

New runs:

https://i.ibb.co/FqnkJdx/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-12-05-25-PM.png

[kingmob]

hey, what’s wrong with being a marsh creature?


Nothing of course.

You're lovely (the females).

[Beowulf]

Very cool results!!

[Ugo]

You mean those marsh-creatures from the bog?
It is correct to call them steppe, not marsh-creatures.

[kingmob]

It is correct to call them steppe, not marsh-creatures.


Steppe has CHG/Iran component + minor farmer+levantine, though, around 40%-45%ish in total (all of them).

[Peterski]

Result (removed empty ones):
Arabian 7.86 Pct
Armenian 8.02 Pct
East_Med 42.7 Pct
Iberian 0.33 Pct
Italian 8.6 Pct
Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
North_African 1.03 Pct
West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
West_Med 7.03 Pct

Do you have possible Druze ancestry? Because you are closest to Druzes in my K36 Oracle:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Asia_LB_Rashaya-District:Druze
0.8487779
Asia_SYR_As-Suwayda-Governorate:Druze
0.8739743
Asia_LB_Beqaa-Governorate:Christians
0.9894584
Asia_LB_North-Lebanon:NLMM ---> these are Maronites from Northern Lebanon
1.0229717
Asia_LB_Ashrafieh-District:OLC
1.1574567
Europe_CY_Nicosia-District
1.7190596
Asia_PS_West-Bank:Christians
1.7287290
Asia_SYR_Syria:Christians
1.8556174
(...)

[Peterski]

I ran some more samples from my friends through your model:

https://i.ibb.co/JsnpywK/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-24-07-AM.png (https://ibb.co/4VWSYn7)

Can you post Eurogenes K36 results of your friends? Are they also Maronites (are Maronites Orthodox)?

[Peterski]

hey, what’s wrong with being a marsh creature?

:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVExfdZcVAc

[Vessna]

:D



just a regular day in the life of a marsh creature :D

[Eurafricanid]

Aren't those components only native to Europeans? Despite being mestizo I even have them.

??? So you don't know what a mestizo means?

[Eurafricanid]

You have EHG in my calculator :), so I guess you are european now.

Target: Sacha(Syrian)_scaled
Distance: 4.1442% / 0.04144229
55.2 Iran_C
31.0 ANF
12.8 Israel_Natufian
1.0 EHG

Papuan,-0.04496,-0.2401725,-0.2213695,0.2398285,0.170801,-0.377339,0.0029375,0.0065765,-0.0224975,-0.0079275,-0.004141,0.001199,0.001784,-0.003647,-0.0059715,-0.0025855,0.005672,-0.0003165,-0.0002515,-0.0016885,0.003868,0.001731,-0.004375,-0.005181,-0.002275
East_Asian,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
Nganasan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
Amerindian_HG:1,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Amerindian_HG:2,0.048944,-0.313799,0.111628,0.091086,-0.109559,-0.019522,-0.278723,-0.332755,-0.01493,-0.021322,-0.005034,-0.001199,-0.001784,0.013762,-0.006107,0.008618,0.005867,-0.00076,0.003645,0.002251,-0.00287,0.01051,0.001356,0.004217,0.001796
AASI,0.007449,-0.231104,-0.231375,0.194341,-0.046555,0.082346,-0.00629,0.029412,0.149897,0.108332,-0.007625,0.005662,-0.007651,0.025169,-0.039099,-0.051283,0.017611,-0.003512,-0.005955,0.034942,0.007473,0.01831,-0.005371,0.020167,-0.021865
EHG,0.1257745,0.03402,0.1318035,0.212535,-0.0066165,0.056196,-0.019741,-0.0212295,-0.001125,-0.088293,0.016807,-0.020157,0.035158,-0.0330985,0.0170325,0.0286395,-0.0204705,0.001837,-0.0064105,0.009817,-0.008797,0.0129215,0.0082575,-0.023859,-0.007185
WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG,0.121791,0.11577,0.1 8592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537, 0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
WHG:Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG,0.1 30897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.162492,0.059125,0. 015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Yamnaya:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892 539,0.0429079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1e-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
CHG:Georgia_Kotias.SG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557
ANF:Turkey_N,0.1179017,0.1800873,0.0034255,-0.1010589,0.0512402,-0.0479692,-0.0037992,-0.006846,0.0361667,0.0806776,0.0082614,0.0113088,-0.0241636,0.0005791,-0.0427122,-0.0103696,0.0225564,0.0013883,0.0136487,-0.0104478,-0.0142612,0.0056932,-0.0049042,-0.0037505,-0.0044357
Iran_C,0.0893512,0.1332882,-0.0791012,-0.0672648,-0.043008,-0.0206378,0.00893,-0.0070382,-0.036303,-0.0038272,0.0038568,-0.0011615,-0.0014122,-0.0015482,-0.0059378,0.0070272,0.0003585,-3.18E-05,0.0035198,-0.006347,0.0069878,-0.003215,-0.0091202,-0.0134655,0.0002098
Iran_N:Iran_GanjDareh_N,0.0430252,0.0674312,-0.153488,0.0055556,-0.1239616,0.0243752,0.015464,0.000277,-0.081605,-0.05427,-0.0032476,-0.0016186,0.0053816,-0.0078446,0.0319486,0.056775,-0.0058154,0.007576,0.014405,-0.0327406,0.0076614,-0.0300476,-0.0109198,-0.0387768,0.0229438
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[Laredo]

??? So you don't know what a mestizo means?

Genetics and DNA it's not really my thing, I'm not here for the main reason I initially thought all Caucasians had those components.

[Eurafricanid]

Genetics and DNA it's not really my thing, I'm not here for the main reason I initially thought all Caucasians had those components.

Caucasians are known for their CHG, not EHG/WHG. But beeing a mestizo you are 50% european, so obviously you'll have those components and with your european beeing spanish you have even more that the southern european average.

[Peterski]

Result (removed empty ones):
Arabian 7.86 Pct
Armenian 8.02 Pct
East_Med 42.7 Pct
Iberian 0.33 Pct
Italian 8.6 Pct
Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
North_African 1.03 Pct
West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
West_Med 7.03 Pct

You have a very high East_Med score. Average East_Med for Maronites from Northern Lebanon is 35.52.


And here some other Syrian averages if you're interested

Which study (or studies) are these samples from?

[Laredo]

Caucasians are known for their CHG, not EHG/WHG. But beeing a mestizo you are 50% european, so obviously you'll have those components and with your european beeing spanish you have even more that the southern european average.

Well yeah I was not really aware of that, and no I'm not 50% the lowest calculator both on gedmatch and g25 Is 57% anyway I don't want to derail the tread since it's another topic I just wanted to correct that.

[majevica]

Which study (or studies) are these samples from?

I got them from the Moriopoulos Collection 2023 which I found here:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/listes.aspx

[Eurafricanid]

Well yeah I was not really aware of that, and no I'm not 50% the lowest calculator both on gedmatch and g25 Is 57% anyway I don't want to derail the tread since it's another topic I just wanted to correct that.

I was talking about being mestizo, I don't know your specific genetic makeup.

[sacha]

Can you post Eurogenes K36 results of your friends? Are they also Maronites (are Maronites Orthodox)?

I only have one of them, here it is below (for "SachasLebaneseFriend2"):

Arabian 12.57 Pct
Armenian 10.25 Pct
East_Med 31.33 Pct
Iberian 3.98 Pct
Italian 11.25 Pct
Near_Eastern 27.53 Pct
Northeast_African 0.18 Pct
West_Caucasian 2.17 Pct
West_Med 0.75 Pct

He also did IllustrativeDNA, he is basically right in the center of their Levant cluster, and his closest populations on their modern model were:
1 Palestinian Christian 2.717
2 Lebanese Christian (Melkite) 2.842
3 Lebanese Christian (Maronite) 2.937
4 Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox) 2.999
5 Druze (Israel) 3.330

Maronites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maronites) are Eastern Catholics (we are under the pope) but we have some slight similarities. My friends are both Lebanese Greek Orthodox from Lebanon's 'Akkar' governate, it is basically "the boonies" and was one of the parts of Syria given to Greater Lebanon. Lebanese Maronites from what I have observed a slight difference from Syrian Maronites genetically, I think they have more Canaanite mixture. This map is from 1935, but is a pretty good reference for the distributions of people in Syria-Lebanon in recent history, even if the color/representational choices are... Interesting...


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Population_map_Syria_%26_Liban_%281935%29.jpg


As you can see, there is a big fat Maronite concentration right in the middle of Lebanon, this is where the majority of Maronites are from. But if you look up on the coast a little bit you will see a city called "Tartous" and above it a smaller one called "Banias"; my family is historically for the most part concentrated in the governate of Tartous, somewhat around that area. Tartous is also home to a lot of Alaouites/Alawites (people will call it "Alawistan" as a joke).

Essentially, the majority of Maronites migrated from Antioch (blurry on the map but I think it is still visible) to Mount Lebanon for safety, and they also had mixture with the original inhabitants of the Mount Lebanon area. We kind of settled down in Tartous instead, where there are similar mountains for protection, and managed to survive for a while + were helped by the Crusades. Many people eventually dispersed, but there are still maybe 50000 of us left in Syria, almost all in Tartous— Maronite and Alawite relations are pretty decent, they're kind-of Muslim kind-of not, honestly our region is batshit insane.

What I am trying to say is that we are kind of more genetically isolated than the main branch of Maronites, so I think this could be the reason I am plotting closer to Druze— Druze don't allow conversion in or out, they are extremely endogamous, so they have more 'preserved' placement I guess. I think this also explains my high East_Med, etc. I hope that makes sense haha, I tried to respond to all the observations but tell me if I missed anything. I am basically just a weird East Med / Levant slop

[sacha]

Oh and "SachasLebaneseFriend2"'s 23andMe is:

98.7% Levantine (North Governate, Tartus Governate)
1.1% Cypriot
0.2% South Chinese & Taiwanese

[Peterski]

Lebanese Maronites from what I have observed a slight difference from Syrian Maronites genetically

Do you have more examples of Syrian Maronites' DNA results other than yourself?

[gixajo]

Target: Sacha(Syrian)_scaled
Distance: 2.9598% / 0.02959780
54.6 Iran_Neolithic
28.6 Middle-East_Neolithic
16.8 Steppe_Nomads


Target: Sacha(Syrian)_scaled
Distance: 2.9598% / 0.02959780
41.2 Iran_Neolithic:I4351_noUDG
22.8 Middle-East_Neolithic:I1699
13.8 Steppe_Nomads:Yamnaya:I5119
13.4 Iran_Neolithic:I2323
5.8 Middle-East_Neolithic:I1710
3.0 Steppe_Nomads:Yamnaya:I3141_enhanced




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Baltic_Hunters:I4553,0.132035,0.102568,0.184789,0. 199292,0.114175,0.053268,0.012456,0.021461,0.05481 2,-0.023326,-0.007145,-0.021731,0.028543,-0.001239,0.036373,0.054229,0.002477,0.001774,0.002 388,0.04227,0.059645,0.015951,-0.024157,-0.116402,0.006227
Baltic_Hunters:I4595,0.129758,0.099522,0.181395,0. 188956,0.109867,0.05522,0.00423,0.020538,0.058085,-0.014761,-0.00341,-0.023229,0.026164,0.001376,0.032437,0.049323,0.014 603,-0.000127,-0.010559,0.042145,0.06239,0.004451,-0.023787,-0.114836,0.014011
Baltic_Hunters:I4596,0.126344,0.096475,0.188183,0. 193801,0.11756,0.057173,0.009635,0.02123,0.05563,-0.031709,0.003897,-0.02293,0.024826,-0.013212,0.033523,0.050119,0.00691,0.002787,-0.004148,0.041145,0.066258,0.009645,-0.031921,-0.114354,0.005149
Baltic_Hunters:I4626,0.125205,0.112724,0.187806,0. 199615,0.113867,0.062472,0.00047,0.023999,0.053585 ,-0.017495,-0.009419,-0.017085,0.023786,0.010184,0.045195,0.037125,-0.01004,0.004941,-0.01257,0.041395,0.069128,0.026585,-0.035742,-0.134959,0.01904
Baltic_Hunters:I4628,0.132035,0.101553,0.177247,0. 202845,0.109559,0.054941,0.010575,0.017076,0.04765 4,-0.032985,-0.001461,-0.017534,0.023191,-0.000963,0.030673,0.039909,-0.005998,0.004941,-0.006411,0.045397,0.061641,0.010387,-0.017255,-0.107726,0.016765
Baltic_Hunters:I4630,0.126344,0.084289,0.17423,0.2 00261,0.070782,0.058846,0.000235,0.004154,0.040291 ,-0.041914,0.005846,-0.01079,0.033151,-0.023809,0.024837,0.040572,0.001173,0.002534,-0.008422,0.037893,0.036935,0.018424,-0.013188,-0.076396,0.001916
Baltic_Hunters:I4632,0.135449,0.108662,0.181395,0. 188956,0.101865,0.056615,0.009165,0.023768,0.04745 ,-0.031345,-0.00682,-0.02278,0.031219,-0.008533,0.04153,0.050649,0.009257,0.001774,-0.002514,0.040644,0.062016,0.006677,-0.030319,-0.10616,0.013292
Baltic_Hunters:Latvia_HG2,0.129758,0.109677,0.1783 78,0.195416,0.11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.0 5604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Baltic_Hunters:I0011,0.126344,0.096475,0.168196,0. 191217,0.08617,0.055778,-0.00047,0.013846,0.035383,-0.046106,0.001299,-0.026227,0.034935,-0.013212,0.028094,0.049854,0.005215,0.005954,-0.004651,0.037018,0.056276,0.016199,-0.019843,-0.093748,0.011496
Baltic_Hunters:I0012,0.135449,0.079211,0.174607,0. 195093,0.09294,0.053826,-0.008695,0.011769,0.046631,-0.037723,-0.000812,-0.019932,0.029286,-0.014038,0.027687,0.057411,0.005215,0.001014,-0.005908,0.034266,0.060019,0.016199,-0.024896,-0.105557,0.002275
Baltic_Hunters:I0013,0.126344,0.087336,0.156882,0. 173452,0.085554,0.053268,0.002115,0.005769,0.03456 5,-0.033167,0.000974,-0.024428,0.026908,-0.02546,0.030266,0.046274,0.007562,0.006968,-0.004148,0.052775,0.042675,0.011747,-0.015529,-0.096761,0.006945
Baltic_Hunters:I0014,0.138864,0.084289,0.163293,0. 193801,0.082169,0.059683,-0.00329,0.005307,0.038655,-0.042097,0,-0.017385,0.034787,-0.013349,0.034202,0.050649,0.009909,0.003421,-0.005531,0.047898,0.044297,0.012984,-0.01861,-0.09905,0.005628
Baltic_Hunters:I0015,0.135449,0.094444,0.161031,0. 194124,0.085554,0.055778,0.006345,0.01223,0.024543 ,-0.041914,0.002761,-0.020532,0.031367,-0.018029,0.032573,0.049854,0.006519,0.005574,-0.004902,0.037768,0.049787,0.021392,-0.022431,-0.093869,0.00479
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I12439,0 .135449,0.162485,0.050157,-0.028747,0.087401,-0.0251,-0.005405,0.010615,0.065652,0.089296,-0.00406,0.008992,-0.024232,-0.01679,-0.014522,0.017767,0.019558,0.000633,0.002011,-5e-04,0.009234,0.005688,-0.012818,-0.034342,-0.001437
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I12440,0 .122929,0.176702,0.053551,-0.027132,0.088324,-0.029284,-0.002115,-0.001615,0.06238,0.086562,-0.00406,0.008243,-0.020069,-0.010046,-0.01045,0.003447,0.001173,0.011022,0.002263,-0.002376,0.015597,0.008903,-0.012818,-0.03145,0.000599
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13888,0 .122929,0.171624,0.056191,-0.039083,0.084016,-0.026216,-0.006815,-0.003231,0.066061,0.088567,-0.007632,0.010491,-0.022002,-0.024084,-0.012622,0.011005,0.017341,-0.003547,0.004777,-0.004752,0.006988,0.004328,-0.005669,-0.033619,-0.002634
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13889,0 .124067,0.168578,0.050911,-0.047158,0.079092,-0.016176,0.00235,0.005307,0.060335,0.079273,-0.002273,0.01079,-0.023488,-0.014313,-0.008415,0.001326,0.001695,0.007981,0.002891,-0.008254,0.005989,0.00507,-0.01479,-0.026389,-0.003592
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13890,0 .122929,0.170609,0.04978,-0.032623,0.086478,-0.027889,-0.003055,0.005538,0.063607,0.087291,0.002111,0.015 286,-0.028097,-0.016928,-0.016558,0.009546,0.026338,0.006588,0.004525,0.002 501,0.013476,0.007172,-0.015529,-0.024341,0.007784
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13891,0 .129758,0.18178,0.057322,-0.031008,0.083092,-0.022032,0.003995,0.001615,0.063811,0.092211,-0.005846,0.01154,-0.023042,-0.009634,-0.015336,0.012331,0.02373,0.00228,0.000377,0.00175 1,0.013851,-0.005441,-0.010723,-0.017593,-0.000958
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13892,0 .127482,0.170609,0.050157,-0.037145,0.088016,-0.019801,-0.00517,0.007154,0.066266,0.092029,-0.004384,0.018134,-0.032111,-0.01156,-0.004343,-0.000265,0.008736,0.009248,-0.002388,-0.008879,0.013975,-0.00507,-0.017008,-0.026871,0.005508
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13893,0 .129758,0.166547,0.05242,-0.044251,0.082785,-0.022869,0.00517,0.000231,0.060335,0.089478,-0.004709,0.015586,-0.024529,-0.006331,-0.018051,0.007027,0.011865,0.008235,0.002137,0.001 126,0.009109,0.004822,-0.016762,-0.020123,-0.005029
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13896,0 .120652,0.178733,0.047894,-0.045543,0.091709,-0.029284,0.002115,-0.004154,0.052358,0.094034,0.001299,0.014087,-0.029137,-0.009634,-0.02158,0.002519,0.01695,0.001014,0.007165,-0.004627,0.015972,0.015333,-0.014666,-0.033017,0.002036
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13897,0 .129758,0.174671,0.05242,-0.041344,0.088632,-0.025658,0.00188,0.010846,0.062584,0.090025,0.0011 37,0.015137,-0.033746,-0.00578,-0.009908,-0.003713,-0.004824,-0.000887,0.002011,-0.005628,0.012728,0,-0.009244,-0.031089,0.008861
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13898,0 .124067,0.171624,0.044123,-0.046835,0.080938,-0.034582,-0.004465,-0.001615,0.059925,0.095492,0.001461,0.012139,-0.031219,-0.008808,-0.011401,-0.016706,-0.007953,0.00114,0.009176,-0.015632,0.007612,0.007666,-0.00986,-0.015785,0.000838
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I13899,0 .124067,0.173656,0.053174,-0.037791,0.081554,-0.021753,0.00376,-0.001385,0.058903,0.094034,-0.001949,0.013938,-0.025867,-0.01101,-0.011808,0.002652,0.007041,0.000887,0.007039,-0.004252,0.01123,0.008408,-0.00912,-0.032053,-0.001197
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I20821,0 .133173,0.17264,0.044123,-0.039729,0.081861,-0.024542,-0.00047,0.000462,0.070152,0.089842,0.005684,0.0173 85,-0.033746,-0.001927,-0.010586,-0.009149,-0.014473,0.005828,0.001634,-0.012256,0.007362,0.007172,-0.012818,-0.023136,0.00455
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I30293,0 .125205,0.179749,0.055437,-0.037791,0.0834,-0.027331,-0.00329,0.004384,0.063402,0.088931,0.002436,0.0077 93,-0.022596,-0.014726,-0.010858,0.008486,0.015907,-0.000507,0.002263,-0.002001,0.013102,0.009892,-0.017624,-0.028679,-0.000838
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I30299,0 .125205,0.179749,0.045632,-0.035207,0.087401,-0.025379,-0.00188,0.001154,0.063402,0.092394,-0.00065,0.012289,-0.023191,-0.00289,-0.016151,0.002652,0.008866,0.006461,0.01081,-0.006378,0.015972,0.005688,-0.016392,-0.022654,-0.000359
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I30300,0 .124067,0.168578,0.058454,-0.031977,0.084939,-0.022032,0.000705,0.004615,0.070356,0.090025,0.001 949,0.013188,-0.026313,-0.016377,-0.012486,0.020021,0.017732,0.004054,0.001634,0.002 376,0.010856,0.006554,-0.013188,-0.029281,-0.002036
Atlantic_Megalithism:England_N_Megalithic:I30302,0 .129758,0.173656,0.052043,-0.039729,0.0834,-0.023985,-0.003055,0.003231,0.062789,0.082917,0.00065,0.0101 91,-0.021407,-0.003716,-0.013029,-0.002121,-0.001434,0.004434,0.005782,0.00025,0.009733,-0.001113,-0.017748,-0.035186,0.005508
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs002_ noUDG.SG,0.127482,0.169593,0.046009,-0.03553,0.082169,-0.019801,-0.000235,-0.000462,0.058903,0.087656,0.002436,0.015586,-0.026164,-0.007294,-0.010858,-0.000265,0.012908,0.004181,0.000126,0.00075,0.0101 07,0.004451,-0.012078,-0.02904,-0.003832
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs006_ noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.1635,0.032809,-0.034884,0.088632,-0.017849,0.003525,0.006923,0.066675,0.100959,0.002 761,0.012139,-0.010704,-0.006331,-0.012079,-0.012066,0.008996,0.004814,-0.00729,-0.002876,0.015223,0.009769,-0.001232,-0.043862,0.009221
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs009_ noUDG.SG,0.126344,0.168578,0.050534,-0.043282,0.08063,-0.023706,-0.006815,0.004154,0.058698,0.088202,-0.00065,0.014987,-0.030178,-0.009358,-0.009365,-0.001458,0.007432,0.00228,0.007039,-0.012131,0.010731,0.005564,-0.006655,-0.034945,0.001078
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs012_ noUDG.SG,0.114961,0.176702,0.059962,-0.02261,0.069551,-0.020359,0.00141,-0.004846,0.05604,0.079819,-0.005359,0.004796,-0.018137,-0.012248,-0.019001,0.002121,0.034291,0.000253,-0.003897,0.002751,0.000998,0.007048,-0.015652,-0.025787,0.004311
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs013_ noUDG.SG,0.124067,0.174671,0.051666,-0.039729,0.084939,-0.026216,-0.003525,0.002538,0.070765,0.083464,-0.005846,0.017235,-0.02884,-0.013349,-0.008007,-0.007955,0.009909,0.004307,-0.000251,0.002001,0.007986,0.002844,-0.013311,-0.026751,-0.001557
Atlantic_Megalithism:Ireland_Megalithic.SG:prs016_ noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.173656,0.042615,-0.046835,0.079092,-0.035977,-0.00141,-0.000692,0.056858,0.083282,-0.000162,0.015736,-0.030773,-0.011285,-0.017101,0.007425,0.029858,0.003421,0.004777,-0.007003,0.006613,0.009027,-0.017624,-0.020846,0.000718
Atlantic_Megalithism:Scotland_Megalithic.SG:bal004 _noUDG.SG,0.132035,0.168578,0.049403,-0.035853,0.091402,-0.019801,-0.00235,-0.001615,0.054812,0.080366,-0.003085,0.01079,-0.038949,-0.020781,-0.00855,-0.001724,0.012778,0.002534,0.010433,-0.000875,0.006239,0.002226,-0.018857,-0.03627,0.001437
Atlantic_Megalithism:Scotland_Megalithic.SG:lai001 _noUDG.SG,0.119514,0.182795,0.058077,-0.039083,0.090786,-0.017849,-0.001175,0.001385,0.068515,0.0913,0.004872,0.01528 6,-0.028246,-0.028075,-0.006515,-0.000133,0.025425,-0.004434,-0.002011,-0.005503,0.002246,-0.008903,-0.00456,-0.030125,0.000239
Atlantic_Megalithism:Scotland_Megalithic.SG:mid001 _noUDG.SG,0.136588,0.161469,0.042615,-0.037791,0.090171,-0.023148,-0.003525,-0.005077,0.062175,0.081095,0.000325,0.014987,-0.02215,-0.004817,-0.008415,0.003182,0,-0.003041,-0.003897,-0.020635,0.016471,0,-0.013434,-0.036391,-0.002036
Atlantic_Megalithism:Scotland_Megalithic.SG:mid002 _noUDG.SG,0.114961,0.174671,0.04714,-0.037791,0.087093,-0.029284,0.000705,0.004384,0.056858,0.075628,-0.006496,0.020082,-0.020812,-0.017616,-0.003257,0.007027,0.00339,0.000633,-0.005028,-0.003001,0.006863,-0.008161,-0.012325,-0.037837,0.005269
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Middle-East_Neolithic:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Middle-East_Neolithic:I1414_enhanced,0.068294,0.1635,-0.020742,-0.127909,0.027082,-0.063029,-0.006815,0.009692,0.081605,0.040092,0.024358,-0.018134,0.029435,0.002477,-0.029451,-0.00358,0.018123,0.00076,-0.016466,0.020885,-0.007736,0.005935,-0.001356,-0.015062,0.003592
Middle-East_Neolithic:I1700_enhanced,0.073985,0.164516,-0.032809,-0.139214,0.027697,-0.061077,-0.00517,-0.016153,0.087536,0.039727,0.008282,-0.015137,0.015312,-0.000688,-0.020629,-0.003447,0.016037,0.000633,-0.000126,-0.00025,0.003743,-0.001855,0.018487,-0.001205,-0.002634
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Middle-East_Neolithic:I1699,0.067156,0.170609,-0.021496,-0.148581,0.026466,-0.071954,-0.013631,-0.018692,0.080378,0.034443,0.007795,-0.012739,0.037611,-0.001789,-0.016422,0.00716,-0.001565,-0.008488,-0.011941,0.012131,-0.007112,0.01051,0.001972,0.001566,0.002275
Iran_Neolithic:I1290,0.037562,0.072103,-0.154997,-0.007429,-0.122484,0.01255,0.015746,-0.005077,-0.081196,-0.050662,0.005521,-0.005995,0.008028,-0.017478,0.024837,0.068151,-0.006519,0.010642,0.01433,-0.035892,0.011355,-0.025102,-0.016638,-0.040006,0.029458
Iran_Neolithic:I1945,0.045529,0.069056,-0.149717,-0.000969,-0.130794,0.030678,0.013396,0.003231,-0.085082,-0.056858,-0.009256,0.001199,-0.000743,-0.002477,0.030266,0.05476,-0.015125,0.004941,0.015712,-0.024762,-0.000125,-0.026956,-0.00986,-0.033258,0.017962
Iran_Neolithic:I1947,0.043253,0.061947,-0.154619,0.015181,-0.121869,0.023706,0.012456,-0.001846,-0.07956,-0.06032,-0.005034,-0.002847,0.000892,-0.013212,0.037459,0.063908,-0.003651,0.010642,0.010684,-0.035517,0.009234,-0.027451,-0.011832,-0.036873,0.026704
Iran_Neolithic:I1949,0.034147,0.061947,-0.156882,0.016473,-0.119099,0.025937,0.017156,0.002077,-0.078946,-0.049386,-0.006008,0.004496,0.004757,-0.003441,0.038273,0.052771,0.009648,0.002407,0.018 352,-0.029389,0.012977,-0.041671,-0.009983,-0.046272,0.01413
Iran_Neolithic:I1954,0.054635,0.072103,-0.151225,0.004522,-0.125562,0.029005,0.018566,0.003,-0.083241,-0.054124,-0.001461,-0.004946,0.013974,-0.002615,0.028908,0.044285,-0.01343,0.009248,0.012947,-0.038143,0.004866,-0.029058,-0.006286,-0.037475,0.026465
Iran_Neolithic:I2323,0.092197,0.133034,-0.081458,-0.067184,-0.049855,-0.024542,0.00893,-0.004846,-0.026793,-0.005103,0.006171,-0.004196,-0.001338,0.00578,-0.003936,-0.001724,-0.012256,-0.001014,0.011816,-0.016383,0.00262,-0.004699,-0.010599,-0.015906,-0.000479
Iran_Neolithic:I4241,0.08992,0.138112,-0.076933,-0.071383,-0.034776,-0.023985,0.008225,-0.005769,-0.035178,0.001822,0.006333,-0.00015,0.000595,-0.008395,-0.011129,0.021082,0.016298,-0.002787,0.000377,0.002126,0.010856,-0.00272,-0.00912,-0.012411,0.005628
Iran_Neolithic:I4349_noUDG,0.092197,0.122879,-0.085984,-0.058786,-0.048009,-0.019243,0.01034,-0.010384,-0.046222,-0.006925,-0.002761,-0.001499,-0.003568,-0.007982,-0.001357,0.014187,0.008605,0.003927,0.005154,-0.001251,0.010482,-0.002844,-0.009983,-0.012893,-0.000718
Iran_Neolithic:I4351_noUDG,0.083091,0.139128,-0.07203,-0.071706,-0.039392,-0.014781,0.008225,-0.007154,-0.037019,-0.005103,0.005684,0.001199,-0.001338,0.004404,-0.007329,-0.005436,-0.011213,-0.000253,-0.003268,-0.00988,0.003993,-0.002597,-0.006779,-0.012652,-0.003592
Iberomaurusian:TAF009_noUDG,-0.161629,0.073118,-0.027153,-0.080427,0.004308,-0.051316,-0.048412,0.027922,0.133759,-0.000729,0.031666,-0.028025,0.056937,-0.051196,0.065689,-0.026783,0.00665,-0.052829,-0.122053,0.04252,-0.027202,-0.117717,0.063473,-0.015183,0.016166
Iberomaurusian:TAF010_noUDG,-0.195776,0.084289,-0.026021,-0.086887,0.036622,-0.054663,-0.074028,0.018922,0.165869,0.008018,0.023384,-0.034619,0.079236,-0.040874,0.076546,-0.049721,-0.001043,-0.070566,-0.14229,0.037393,-0.038682,-0.13033,0.073209,-0.013737,0.021315
Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Iberomaurusian:TAF013_noUDG,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.024513,-0.091409,0.032621,-0.058288,-0.074498,0.016615,0.156052,0.002369,0.020623,-0.031772,0.079831,-0.052021,0.068267,-0.040042,0.005737,-0.064358,-0.145558,0.038143,-0.038432,-0.125878,0.072593,-0.011929,0.020477
Iberomaurusian:TAF014_noUDG,-0.198052,0.080227,-0.021496,-0.081073,0.032929,-0.056336,-0.073323,0.013384,0.165051,0.001822,0.022572,-0.032071,0.078047,-0.049682,0.069896,-0.024396,0.017211,-0.067272,-0.149204,0.041895,-0.046792,-0.123405,0.077276,-0.016388,0.017004
Proto-Asian:China_SEastAsia_Coastal:L5694,0.013659,-0.44988,-0.010182,-0.070091,0.077553,0.039324,-0.00611,-0.014307,-0.01718,-0.010023,-0.052939,-0.005545,0.00773,-0.006606,0.001493,-0.012596,-0.001695,0.002027,0.001508,-0.012506,0.012728,-0.003091,0.017255,-0.003133,-0.009221
Proto-African:Congo:NGO001,-0.629442,0.064994,0.020742,0.00646,-0.013233,0.006414,-0.021621,0.014999,-0.033951,0.010023,0.004384,0.001349,-0.004311,-0.000826,-0.007872,0.010077,-0.010431,0.006841,0.005656,0,-0.006114,-0.004822,-0.004314,-0.00723,0.000239

[sacha]

Do you have more examples of Syrian Maronites' DNA results other than yourself?

There was one other guy who I was talking to who had a sample of 3-4 from my area, but he ghosted me after a bit :picard1: I am going to get my father’s in (I’m waiting on his raw data to convert to G25) and I am looking basically everywhere now, I hate when you’re like right there and they seem so willing to help and then they just stop responding.

[Ugo]

Steppe has CHG/Iran component + minor farmer+levantine, though, around 40%-45%ish in total (all of them).

In fact, the only Europeans are EHG. ANF is a strange Middle Eastern component, the least militant, but very advanced for reproduction. In the struggle to transfer their DNA, it is not the strongest and bravest who wins, but the laziest and most cunning. The winner is the one who knows how to get into bed with a woman, treating her to the most delicious southern wine. I agree that EHG are the least successful Europeans in the women's bed because they are constantly dying in wars or hunting mammoths away from home. EHG (descendants of the steppe people) have been preserved only in the marshes of Eastern Europe, for example, in Finnish, Baltic or Russian marshes. For ANF, these are the least attractive lands. You can't sleep here during the day, you can't have a siesta, otherwise other swamp creatures or Mongoloids will devour you. You will not be able to survive in the northern swamps due to dark skin or dark hair/eyes, because you will be visible to predators in the snow.

[kingmob]

In fact, the only Europeans are EHG. ANF is a strange Middle Eastern component, the least militant, but very advanced for reproduction. In the struggle to transfer their DNA, it is not the strongest and bravest who wins, but the laziest and most cunning. The winner is the one who knows how to get into bed with a woman, treating her to the most delicious southern wine. I agree that EHG are the least successful Europeans in the women's bed because they are constantly dying in wars or hunting mammoths away from home. EHG (descendants of the steppe people) have been preserved only in the marshes of Eastern Europe, for example, in Finnish, Baltic or Russian marshes. For ANF, these are the least attractive lands. You can't sleep here during the day, you can't have a siesta, otherwise other swamp creatures or Mongoloids will devour you. You will not be able to survive in the northern swamps due to dark skin or dark hair/eyes, because you will be visible to predators in the snow.


I guess that's one way to look at things.

A small correction though, EHG are not the 'descendants' of the Steppe Yamnaya culture, they are its progenitors (by 55% or so) together with those strangle Middle Eastern peoples (the other half).

Also, I disagree about the 'militant' bit. The early neolithic and later civs of the south were extremely warlike and in constant warfare. How many of them fought and perished, from Mesopotamia and Sumeria all the way to Greece and the Italian peninsula. Their history is nothing but military conflict.

Finally, as a avid Russian patriot (good for you) you must know of your own history, how you became a global power after your contact and symbiosis with the Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantines).

[Ugo]

I guess that's one way to look at things.

A small correction though, EHG are not the 'descendants' of the Steppe Yamnaya culture, they are its progenitors (by 55% or so) together with those strangle Middle Eastern peoples (the other half).

Also, I disagree about the 'militant' bit. The early neolithic and later civs of the south were extremely warlike and in constant warfare. How many of them fought and perished, from Mesopotamia and Sumeria all the way to Greece and the Italian peninsula. Their history is nothing but military conflict.

Finally, as a avid Russian patriot (good for you) you must know of your own history, how you became a global power after your contact and symbiosis with the Eastern Roman Empire (aka the Byzantines).
Steppe: EHG are men. CHG are women. In the East/There are almost no male CHG(J,E,G) haplogroups in Northern Europe. I don't want to offend my 11-13% CHG, but they are my great-grandmothers, not great-grandfathers. Sorry. The culture of the steppe is male, patriarchal. This means that the steppe culture is EHG - what you call a swamp.

Our whole history is the history of our elites, we just adapted to it.

[kingmob]

Steppe: EHG are men. CHG are women. In the East/There are almost no male CHG(J,E,G) haplogroups in Northern Europe. I don't want to offend my 11-13% CHG, but they are my great-grandmothers, not great-grandfathers. Sorry. The culture of the steppe is male, patriarchal. This means that the steppe culture is EHG - what you call a swamp.

Our whole history is the history of our elites, we just adapted to it.


Τhis is still undecided. The autosome makeup of the Yamnaya men (45% MENA 55% EHG) pinpoints to a MENA male and EHG female ancestor, but, before you take out your pitchforks, like I said, this is still up for grabs. However, there's also J found in the steppe BA.

Here you can find the relative quote/argument from the author himself:

https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/status/1563953745637085187?lang=el


As for the Steppe being a culture strictly confined to the swamp, I also disagree, the first Steppe civs were in the south, Hittites, Lydians, Carians, Armenians, Greeks, Mittani, and others.

For you, Slavic speakers, it's only after you come in contact with the Byzantines you even get your written vocabularly and your (Greek) alphabet, those southern guys had a much bigger head-start than you in terms of who done what first.

[kingmob]

Continued:

Also, as Southern Arc demonstrated, the absence of EHG (or near absence) in those 71 Turkey_BA samples they gathered, strongly suggests that the original Indo-Anatolian PIE branch doesn't have a Steppe origin but rather an Iranian Plateau/South Caucasus one (CHG incursion).


https://i.ibb.co/0q13ByL/Screenshot-2023-12-11-at-19-20-51-science-abm4247-sm-pdf.webp
https://i.ibb.co/XD1Gm7f/Screenshot-2023-12-11-at-20-42-44-science-abm4247-sm-pdf.png
https://i.ibb.co/F6HFrYD/science-abm4247-fa.jpg




PS. I think your 'we wuzz' arguments need an update, you seem to be stuck at 2017.

[Peterski]

I only have one of them, here it is below (for "SachasLebaneseFriend2"):

Arabian 12.57 Pct
Armenian 10.25 Pct
East_Med 31.33 Pct
Iberian 3.98 Pct
Italian 11.25 Pct
Near_Eastern 27.53 Pct
Northeast_African 0.18 Pct
West_Caucasian 2.17 Pct
West_Med 0.75 Pct

With my K36 data he/she is closest to Palestinian Christians then to Syrian Christians and Lebanese Christians:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Asia_PS_West-Bank-Christians
0.5350598
Asia_SYR_Syria-Christians
0.6985993
Asia_LB_Mount-Lebanon:Christians
0.7830639
Asia_ISR_Holon:Samaritans
0.9220841
Asia_LB_Ashrafieh-District:OLC
0.9322720
Asia_JOR_Jordan-Christians
0.9353149
Asia_LB_North-Lebanon:NLMM
1.0085445
(...)

NLMM are Maronites.


He also did IllustrativeDNA, he is basically right in the center of their Levant cluster, and his closest populations on their modern model were:
1 Palestinian Christian 2.717
2 Lebanese Christian (Melkite) 2.842
3 Lebanese Christian (Maronite) 2.937
4 Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox) 2.999
5 Druze (Israel) 3.330

Seems that they don't have Syrian and Jordanian Christians in their modern populations database.

[Leto]

https://i.ibb.co/RH2rKLV/image-psd-6.png

Result (removed empty ones):
Arabian 7.86 Pct
Armenian 8.02 Pct
East_Med 42.7 Pct
Iberian 0.33 Pct
Italian 8.6 Pct
Near_Eastern 18.39 Pct
North_African 1.03 Pct
West_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
West_Med 7.03 Pct

By chr:

https://i.ibb.co/xDb58Z9/Screenshot-2023-12-19-at-10-02-06-AM.png

Since you're at it, can you also post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b? I used to be a huge GEDmatch fan but now it seems to have largely fallen out of use. Though what we have instead is a bunch of Turks and Brazilians creating "models" for Europeans :rolleyes:

[Peterski]

OLC = Ashrafieh Greek Orthodox community.

NLMM = North Lebanon Mountain Maronites.

[Queen_95]

Those are interesting results !

[Queen_95]

..

[sacha]

Since you're at it, can you also post Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b? I used to be a huge GEDmatch fan but now it seems to have largely fallen out of use. Though what we have instead is a bunch of Turks and Brazilians creating "models" for Europeans :rolleyes:

Sure my friend, it is no issue. I know the problem with GEDmatch is that it has not been updated in awhile, but I think it is at the very least a solid foundation, G25 can be quite nice but it is also finnicky.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 49.98
2 West_Asian 19.21
3 West_Med 17.62
4 Red_Sea 9.54
5 North_Atlantic 2.78
6 Siberian 0.53
7 Sub-Saharan 0.27
8 Amerindian 0.06
9 Northeast_African 0.01

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Christian 4.67
2 Samaritan 6.38
3 Lebanese_Druze 7.23
4 Cyprian 8.83
5 Lebanese_Muslim 10.78
6 Palestinian 12.01
7 Syrian 12.9
8 Jordanian 13.63
9 Tunisian_Jewish 14.08
10 Kurdish_Jewish 14.21

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Lebanese_Christian + 3.8% Sardinian @ 4.29
2 90.9% Lebanese_Christian + 9.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.36
3 91.7% Lebanese_Christian + 8.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.42
4 84.9% Lebanese_Christian + 15.1% Cyprian @ 4.47
5 93.6% Lebanese_Christian + 6.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.53

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 45.96
2 Southwest_Asian 21.9
3 Atlantic_Med 17.31
4 Gedrosia 8.25
5 Northwest_African 6.27
6 Siberian 0.31

# Population (source) Distance
1 Druze (HGDP) 6.64
2 Cypriots (Behar) 8.4
3 Lebanese (Behar) 8.57
4 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 12.29
5 Syrians (Behar) 12.37

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% Druze (HGDP) + 27.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.83
2 70.2% Druze (HGDP) + 29.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.54
3 91.1% Druze (HGDP) + 8.9% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 3.62
4 89.9% Druze (HGDP) + 10.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 3.92
5 93.2% Druze (HGDP) + 6.8% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 4.11

[Leto]

Sure my friend, it is no issue. I know the problem with GEDmatch is that it has not been updated in awhile, but I think it is at the very least a solid foundation, G25 can be quite nice but it is also finnicky.

Yes, I completely agree. The oracles are basically useless 'cause there were updated custom references.
Your father is very indigenous, look at that 50% East Med! He seems to have nearly zero Steppe ancestry.

[sacha]

Yes, I completely agree. The oracles are basically useless 'cause there were updated custom references.
Your father is very indigenous, look at that 50% East Med! He seems to have nearly zero Steppe ancestry.

Oh, that is me, not my father xd I am still waiting to download my father's raw DNA

[sacha]

Okay, finally my father's raw DNA is back! And now I have a mystery to deal with. I have uploaded it to Illustrative for the sake of G25 coordinates, but while I wait for that here are his GEDmatch calcs:

Eurogenes K13:


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 47.53
2 West_Asian 19.1
3 West_Med 17.64
4 Red_Sea 11
5 North_Atlantic 2.72
6 Siberian 1.14
7 Northeast_African 0.73
8 South_Asian 0.15


Eurogenes K36:


Arabian 9.84 Pct
Armenian 7.88 Pct
East_Balkan 0.2 Pct
East_Med 35.6 Pct
Iberian 1.75 Pct
Italian 7.71 Pct
Near_Eastern 22.71 Pct
North_African 2.24 Pct
North_Caucasian 4.68 Pct
West_Caucasian 1.74 Pct
West_Med 5.64 Pct

Arranged against mine:
https://i.ibb.co/p3bKBmD/image.png

Interesting how his East_Med is much lower than mine on K36, it could be that mine is misinterpreted, he has a way higher North_Caucasian which probably gets grouped into my West_Caucasian, could be a similar thing. He is only ~4 higher than my Lebanese friend on K36 East_Med, who gets 49.96 on the K13 East Med component. My father seems to have much, much better fits than I do on the K13 Oracle which I know are flawed but still, his closest dists:
1 Lebanese_Christian 3.31
2 Samaritan 4.15
3 Lebanese_Druze 7.39

My closest dists:
1 Lebanese_Christian 4.67
2 Samaritan 6.38
3 Lebanese_Druze 7.23

So either my data is poor (I have checked it with the GEDmatch tool and the kit is fine, but it could be just 23andMe raw data quality), I am misinterpreted, or my mom is weird, honestly it is probably all of the above. She does have a weird mtDNA, but I don't think that is conclusive of anything. I tested my dad because he looks weird even for our area, and because I wanted my Y-DNA, but maybe I was looking at the wrong side of the family...

I got some simulated coords for my Dad while I wait for real ones, based on K36:

Sacha_Dad_K36-sim_scaled,0.088772,0.147535,-0.044948,-0.081214,-0.007641,-0.028312,-0.003055,-0.004024,0.005138,0.013429,0.007274,-0.004609,0.012026,0.002816,-0.010311,0.006471,-0.000186,0.000412,0.002530,-0.004088,-0.003208,0.001728,-0.001092,0.000837,0.000676
Sacha_Dad_K36-sim_unscaled,0.007799,0.014528,-0.011919,-0.025144,-0.002483,-0.010152,-0.0013,-0.001744,0.002512,0.007369,0.004479,-0.003075,0.00809,0.002046,-0.007597,0.00488,-0.000143,0.000325,0.002013,-0.003269,-0.002571,0.001397,-0.000886,0.000695,0.000565

But sims really neuter the results lol, my actual coords vs my sims vs his sims:
https://i.ibb.co/ZxHhBWk/image.png

[happycow]

Thank you for sharing! Your results are quite a bit different than mine :)

[sacha]

Got my dad’s G25, I will just keep posting in this thread because I don’t want to spam threads. Looks like Sacha fit disorder is hereditary


Sacha_Dad_scaled,0.091058,0.151314,-0.037712,-0.083657,-0.020927,-0.028726,0.00094,-0.003923,0.012885,0.023326,0.00747,-0.002847,0.01442,0.007982,-0.016015,-0.014187,-0.011083,0.008361,0.00264,-0.005253,-0.004866,0.000371,-0.003328,-0.004458,0.008263
Sacha_Dad_scaled,0.008,0.0149,-0.01,-0.0259,-0.0068,-0.0103,0.0004,-0.0017,0.0063,0.0128,0.0046,-0.0019,0.0097,0.0058,-0.0118,-0.0107,-0.0085,0.0066,0.0021,-0.0042,-0.0039,0.0003,-0.0027,-0.0037,0.0069

His illustrative results:

https://i.ibb.co/jrTQF23/IMG-8234.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GMh91Lw/IMG-8251.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZKNPXyQ/IMG-8250.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/x70jSGW/IMG-8249.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/HGX8Bwx/IMG-8235.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/rZhNWLy/IMG-8252.jpg


He seems a little more typical at least, whenever I get to testing my mom I will finally be happy

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To give the users here a fair idea of how Gedmatch works, I know a man who is ¹/4 Native American 3/4 Ashkenazi German Jewish. Ged match plotted him in Eastern Europe just because his family had resided there for more than 500 years. I believe it may have been Poland on a pca chart, yet this individual was a German Jew and Native American.

His family tree he had 25 German and Native American Latino Sephardic Jewish surnames in his family tree, all of them close they would be his mother's second-to third cousin. I resent Eastetn European Americans unlike myself clustering Ashkenazis with Slavs on PCA charts. On the flip side some Ashkenazis do register as Ashkenazi on Ged match. I would rather go by names in family trees, haplogroups/ancient charts or population matches like Ged's Euro genes. It doesn't mean anything ethnically or racially.
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That's all well and good but Syriacs came to the Levant during the 1st to 4th centuries H4a1 is seen in Causcoid Near Eastern people.and it didn't strictly evolve in Anatolia, halpgroup H and subclades to that started in all parts of Western Asia including Central Asia and Mesopotamia. You being a Syriac doesn't reflect on your haplogroup. It's seen in all sects of faiths in the Near East in Europe
Where do you think they came from? Then why were they called Syriacs if they came from outside of Levant?
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In a general Wikipedia search, if you search their language ( Syriac ) which is half Syriac half Aramean it was established between the 1st and 4th century.

She has a general Lebanese Christian or Palestinian score which basically means her Middle Eastern ancestors went via the West Asian route rather than the Neolithic route. Ged match results means nothing. They sparingly give the Muslims more African and North African dna as a rule of thumb, when Muslim groups like the Alawites are the most recognized group of Syria.

Syriacs are basically Assyrians. Their language, phenotype and Ged Match proves that they are West Asian. Some more Neolithic groups like Alawites score more Red Sea, more North African and more SSA because they took a simple Neolithic route, from Africa, North Africa, West Asia then to Europe. It's the same reason why Iberians get two percent North African in Ged match, which again is a PCA group database there. Because they have heightened amounts of CH Iranian Chalcolithic whereas 'West Asians like her would have more ' would have less North African and Red Sea but more Mesopotamian
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I believe the Indo Europeans were H2a1 as a subclade, not hers which is Egyptian/Mesopotamian in origin. She's just Assyrian/Syriac which makes sense as it says 'Mount Lebanon' and here's the thing to remember about Gedmatch, lumping people in populations rather than haplogroups won't tell people if you have any Jewish or Gypsy or whatever. Ged Match is a bias outline that tells people virtually nothing about their ethnicity

And thanks to Davidski's bs I'm going to have to spend the next year trying to explain to people how population matches won't register distant Jewish or Gypsy ancestry too .

Family trees, surnames, haplogroup subclades and ancient ethnicity charts are better. K14 is good but based on the fact it's based on Gedmatch Data it's only good on indigenous populations
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I believe the Indo Europeans were H2a1 as a subclade, not hers which is Egyptian/Mesopotamian in origin. She's just Assyrian/Syriac which makes sense as it says 'Mount Lebanon' and here's the thing to remember about Gedmatch, lumping people in populations rather than haplogroups won't tell people if you have any Jewish or Gypsy or whatever. Ged Match is a bias outline that tells people virtually nothing about their ethnicity

And thanks to Davidski's bs I'm going to have to spend the
She had said before when she first jointed this forum that she is not Syriac or Assyrian, but actually Christian Arab from Syria.
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Christian Arabs are Syriacs,it's literally their Church and their language apart from reletively recently adopted Arabic. So, a Syrian Christian who plots in Mount Lebanon like all Syriacs do including the Lebanese Maronites plots in those regions on vague population charts like Ged match Eurogenes and has a Egyptian/Mesopotamian haplogroup that isn't Indo European, nor Anatolian. Great.
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The H haplogroup
The H haplogroup is believed to have developed in West Asia[1] about 20 millennia ago. Today about 45% of native Europeans have the H haplogroup the proportion decreasing as you travel southeast with a frequency of about 20% in Egypt [2] , the countries bordering the eastern Mediterranean, and the southern Caucasus dropping to less than 10% in the Arabian Peninsula, the “Stans”of Central Asia and North India. [1,3]

The H4 subhaplogroup
Studies of modern populations: The H4 subhaplogroup, often in conjunction with the closely aligned haplogroups H7 and H13 are found in Europe and the broad group of countries that constitute western Asia. The H4 subhapologroup is relatively rare, is most common in the very west of Europe (Iberia, and the British Isles [4]).

H4 (together with related subhaplogroups) account for about 40% of the population carrying the H haplogroup in Egypt.[5] (i.e. about 8% of the modern population have the H4 haplogroup)

Studies of ancient populations: In an analysis of 16 Lebanese samples ranging in age from the 2nd to the 18th centuries BCE and 12 from the 5th/6th centuries BCE from Sardinia [7] and 21 samples from Sardinia from 4170-859 BCE [11] no evidence of any H4 subgroup was identified. Says it's from the second century, which quite literally proves my point.

The H4a1 subhaplogroup
Studies of modern populations: The H4a1 subhaplogroup was identified in 15 of 750 samples from modern Andalusians [6] and 1 of 87 modern Lebanese [7] as well as relatively recent archaeological samples dating from the 6th to the 14th century CE in the Canary Islands [8]

Studies of ancient populations: In an analysis of 37 individuals from Mittelelbe-Saale (2500-1575 BCE), together with 2 samples from northern Italy [9], and 41 samples tested from “early bronze age (2000-1500 BCE) ” Bulgaria [10], three (2 from Germany and 1 from Bulgaria) demonstrated the H4a1 subhaplogroup.

The German samples have been described as coming from Bell Beaker and Unetice populations.

What does this discovery tell us about ancient Egyptian populations?


The occurrence of such a rare haplogroup in ancient Egypt adds to our existing knowledge of mitochondrial haplogroups in ancient Egyptian populations and shows the importance of undertaking single case studies

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https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

PIE speakers from the Pontic Steppe are known to have possessed quite different maternal lineages from that of Mesolithic and Neolithic Europeans. A few H subclades linked to the R1a populations of Northeast Europe would obviously have been found among Mesolithic Eastern Europeans, like H1b, H1c and H11. Others may have come from the North Caucasus, like H2a1, or from the advance of Neolithic farmers from the Balkans to Northeast Europe, like H7. Others yet would have come from Anatolia when R1b cattle herders crossed the Caucasus, attracted by the vast pastures of the Pontic Steppe. These would have included H5a, H8 and H15.

So the Indo European H2a1 started North of the Caucasus, and is seen in all Neolithic populations. If it's seen in 'Western Asia' broadly, it's likely those particular people have a Chalcolithic admixture a bit like Iberians who are a H1 variant. Whereas hers is West Asia, which likely she has a very literal West Asian origin, in ethnicity and race, which she would be as Syriacs established themselves in Mesopotamia, I believe they went to ancient Egypt to spread Christianity via the 'Copts' so it doesn't surprise me it's a large amount inEgypt, either.

If it's found in Europeans it's probably that they have a meanial West Asian admixture, rather than a broader Anatolian EEF and Iranian Chalcolithic one
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In a general Wikipedia search, if you search their language ( Syriac ) which is half Syriac half Aramean it was established between the 1st and 4th century.

She has a general Lebanese Christian or Palestinian score which basically means her Middle Eastern ancestors went via the West Asian route rather than the Neolithic route. Ged match results means nothing. They sparingly give the Muslims more African and North African dna as a rule of thumb, when Muslim groups like the Alawites are the most recognized group of Syria.

Syriacs are basically Assyrians. Their language, phenotype and Ged Match proves that they are West Asian. Some more Neolithic groups like Alawites score more Red Sea, more North African and more SSA because they took a simple Neolithic route, from Africa, North Africa, West Asia then to Europe. It's the same reason why Iberians get two percent North African in Ged match, which again is a PCA group database there. Because they have heightened amounts of CH Iranian Chalcolithic whereas 'West Asians like her would have more ' would have less North African and Red Sea but more Mesopotamian
I know what Syriac is, I don't need to look it up in Wikipedia. I am just mentioning what she said about her ethnicity when she was asked about it.
She clearly said that she considers herself Syrian Arab and not Syriac.
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Your haplogroups which aren't Northern shifted even for ''West Asians'' are literally West Asian Mesopotamian. I don't see the point in constantly pointing out that you're 'Christian and Northern shifted' because you aren't not even for ''Western Asian standards'' https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381921-Sacha-s-mtFull-results/page2

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Oh, that is me, not my father xd I am still waiting to download my father's raw DNA

It doesn't matter Ged match Euro gene cals are not based on ethnicity but pca plotting and migrational routes. That's your mistake.

Family Tree names and subclades in haplogroups are just as accurate if not even more so. Your main MT DNA haplogroup is from West Asia and that's what you are.