autosomes: wife + father-in-law

[kingmob]

As I've been accused of being a NWeuro hater by people who are not even NWeuros but take it upon themselves to act as their gatekeepers, I'd like to take a moment and post my wife's and my father in law's autosomes.

Wife (mtdna H39e):




Components %
North_Atlantic 47.93
Baltic 23.54
West_Med 13.41
West_Asian 8.84
East_Med 2.79
Red_Sea 1.42
South_Asian 0.48
East_Asian 0.00
Siberian 0.47
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.22
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.00

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Irish @ 5.385
2 100% North_Dutch @ 5.458
3 100% Orcadian @ 5.473
4 100% North_German @ 5.618
5 100% Southeast_English @ 5.840
6 100% Danish @ 6.093
7 100% Southwest_English @ 6.174
8 100% West_Scottish @ 6.436
9 100% South_Dutch @ 6.950
10 100% Norwegian @ 7.818

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Irish + 50% West_German @ 3.310
2 50% Irish + 50% South_Dutch @ 3.333
3 50% West_Scottish + 50% West_German @ 3.709
4 50% North_German + 50% Southwest_English @ 3.804
5 50% West_Scottish + 50% South_Dutch @ 3.863
6 50% North_Dutch + 50% South_Dutch @ 3.969
7 50% South_Dutch + 50% Norwegian @ 4.093
8 50% Orcadian + 50% South_Dutch @ 4.189
9 50% Irish + 50% North_German @ 4.210
10 50% Orcadian + 50% West_German @ 4.234

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% West_German @ 3.012
2 33% Irish + 33% North_Dutch + 33% West_German @ 3.306
3 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% South_Dutch @ 3.310
4 33% Irish + 33% North_Dutch + 33% South_Dutch @ 3.389
5 33% Irish + 33% Orcadian + 33% West_German @ 3.415
6 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% Austrian @ 3.580
7 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% Austrian @ 3.632
8 33% Irish + 33% Orcadian + 33% South_Dutch @ 3.648
9 33% Orcadian + 33% North_German + 33% South_Dutch @ 3.764
10 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_German @ 3.784

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Austrian @ 3.215
2 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% West_German @ 3.330
3 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% North_Dutch + 25% West_German @ 3.358
4 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Orcadian + 25% West_German @ 3.502
5 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Orcadian + 25% Austrian @ 3.520
6 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% North_Dutch + 25% South_Dutch @ 3.551
7 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% Austrian @ 3.603
8 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% South_Dutch @ 3.629
9 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Hungarian @ 3.668
10 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% North_Dutch + 25% French @ 3.672




Father-in-law (y-dna: I-L126):




Components %
North_Atlantic 52.83
Baltic 23.65
West_Med 13.27
West_Asian 6.93
East_Med 0.00
Red_Sea 0.67
South_Asian 1.06
East_Asian 0.00
Siberian 0.00
Amerindian 0.51
Oceanian 1.07
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.00

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Irish @ 2.115
2 100% West_Scottish @ 2.620
3 100% Orcadian @ 3.902
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.291
5 100% North_Dutch @ 5.479
6 100% Icelandic @ 6.210
7 100% Southeast_English @ 6.211
8 100% Danish @ 6.405
9 100% Norwegian @ 6.749
10 100% North_German @ 8.578

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Irish + 50% Irish @ 2.115
2 50% Irish + 50% West_Scottish @ 2.259
3 50% West_Scottish + 50% West_Scottish @ 2.620
4 50% Irish + 50% Southwest_English @ 2.748
5 50% Irish + 50% Orcadian @ 2.912
6 50% West_Scottish + 50% Southwest_English @ 3.069
7 50% West_Scottish + 50% Orcadian @ 3.072
8 50% West_Scottish + 50% North_Dutch @ 3.622
9 50% Orcadian + 50% Southwest_English @ 3.658
10 50% Irish + 50% North_Dutch @ 3.688

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% Irish @ 2.115
2 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% West_Scottish @ 2.183
3 33% Irish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish @ 2.359
4 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.379
5 33% Irish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.550
6 33% Irish + 33% Irish + 33% Orcadian @ 2.615
7 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish @ 2.620
8 33% Irish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% Orcadian @ 2.698
9 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.802
10 33% West_Scottish + 33% West_Scottish + 33% Orcadian @ 2.868

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish @ 2.115
2 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% West_Scottish @ 2.155
3 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.245
4 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish @ 2.259
5 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.350
6 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Orcadian @ 2.477
7 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% Orcadian @ 2.528
8 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish @ 2.620
9 25% Irish + 25% Irish + 25% Orcadian + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.675
10 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.708

[Feiichy]

Is your wife half English half Irish? Here are her's regional level results (sheet thanks to Creoda)

Distance to: eupator_wife

2.01896013 WAL_Pembrokeshire(n=1)
2.65870269 ENG_Hampshire(n=5)
3.08180142 ENG_Worcestershire(n=4)
3.15031744 SCO_Argyll(n=1)
3.30162081 ENG_Middlesex(n=2)
3.38480428 ENG_Northumberland(n=3)
3.43278313 SCO_Fife(n=3)
3.57000000 ENG_Greater-London(n=33)
3.58254100 ENG_South-Yorkshire(n=6)
3.67778466 SCO_Angus(n=1)
3.71303111 ENG_Cambridgeshire(n=1)
3.78726814 IRE_Dublin(n=6)
3.82120400 Isle_of_Man(n=3)
3.95590698 IRE_Belfast(n=4)
4.00421028 ENG_Cheshire(n=4)
4.03033497 ENG_West-Yorkshire(n=12)
4.05714185 ENG_Bristol(n=1)
4.06542741 ENG_Nottinghamshire(n=2)
4.07567172 ENG_Warwickshire(n=7)
4.11435293 ENG_Greater-Manchester(n=22)
4.14149731 NED_South-Holland(n=24)
4.25527907 ENG_Merseyside(n=20)
4.30795775 ENG_Somerset(n=1)
4.31013921 IRE_Tyrone(n=3)
4.31597034 ENG_Bedfordshire(n=3)

[Feiichy]

Normal (also updated Creoda sheets)

Distance to: eupator_wife

3.61121863 Welsh_South
3.69413048 English_Southeast
3.71755296 English_Northeast
3.86350877 German_Westphalia
3.90602099 English_East-Midlands
4.01117190 British_Ulster
4.09452073 Dutch_North-Brabant
4.10051216 Dutch_South-Holland
4.11221352 English_West-Midlands
4.25530257 German_Lower_Saxony_South
4.30224360 English_East
4.35248205 English_Southwest
4.35735011 Scottish_East
4.37869844 Scottish_North-Highlands
4.59531283 Scottish_Shetland
4.62960041 English_Yorkshire
4.63200820 Scottish_Northeast
4.76388497 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
4.78285480 Irish_Leinster
4.79266106 Scottish_Southwest
4.87915976 English_Lancashire
5.03766811 Cornish
5.27643819 Dutch_Gelderland
5.28331335 Dutch_North-Holland
5.33562555 Welsh_North

[kingmob]

Is your wife half English half Irish? Here are her's regional level results (sheet thanks to Creoda)

Distance to: eupator_wife

2.01896013 WAL_Pembrokeshire(n=1)



Yes, father from South Ireland and cockney mother (East Ham, London).

Thanks for your list!

:thumb001:

[Feiichy]

Distance to: eupator_Father-in-law

1.92104138 Irish_Ulster
2.09265382 Irish_Munster
2.11497045 Irish_Connacht
2.54289205 Irish_Leinster
2.60065376 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
2.73501371 Welsh_North
2.86200978 British_Ulster
2.91667619 Scottish_Southwest
3.04727747 Scottish_Northeast
3.08904516 Scottish_North-Highlands
3.30824727 Welsh_South
3.32492105 Scottish_East
3.83174895 Scottish_Shetland
3.89887163 Scottish_Orkney
3.95401062 English_Yorkshire
4.46376523 English_Lancashire
4.72419305 English_Northeast
4.83889450 English_Southwest
4.92902627 Cornish
5.05343448 Icelandic
5.28531929 Dutch_North-Holland
5.40646835 English_West-Midlands
5.77295418 English_Southeast
5.80324047 Dutch_Overijssel
5.87643599 Dutch_Friesland

Distance to: eupator_Father-in-law

2.04716878 IRE_Kerry(n=4)
2.10770017 IRE_Clare(n=31)
2.11248669 IRE_Mayo(n=10)
2.13586048 IRE_Galway(n=12)
2.13904184 IRE_Donegal(n=16)
2.15367128 IRE_Antrim(n=7)
2.47141660 WAL_Carmarthenshire(n=4)
2.48571921 IRE_Cork(n=12)
2.74412099 IRE_Down(n=1)
2.77564407 IRE_Dublin(n=6)
2.77587824 IRE_Tipperary(n=3)
2.95457273 IRE_Roscommon(n=1)
3.20527690 SCO_Aberdeenshire(n=3)
3.20809913 WAL_Denbighshire(n=2)
3.29148902 IRE_Westmeath(n=1)
3.35947913 IRE_Kilkenny(n=3)
3.47102290 ENG_Cumbria(n=5)
3.49390899 IRE_Belfast(n=4)
3.50533879 IRE_Leitrim(n=1)
3.51471194 IRE_Armagh(n=1)
3.51832346 IRE_Cavan(n=1)
3.54740750 SCO_Lanarkshire(n=4)
3.57903618 SCO_Banffshire(n=1)
3.66488745 SCO_Glasgow(n=4)
3.67759432 ENG_Northumberland(n=3)

[Feiichy]

Yes, father from South Ireland and cockney mother (East Ham, London).

Thanks for your list!

:thumb001:

You're welcome! Wondering where your kids plot :)

[kingmob]

Distance to: eupator_Father-in-law

1.92104138 Irish_Ulster



His origins are from Cork in the South, the fact that he matches Northern Ireland, is an interesting tidbit. Thanks again.

[Feiichy]

His origins are from Cork in the South, the fact that he matches Northern Ireland, is an interesting tidbit. Thanks again.

Interesting; in one study I read Irish from around Cork have most distinctive Irish genetics (most insular? whatever that means), but would need Grace and her expertise to explain better :p

[kingmob]

You're welcome! Wondering where your kids plot :)


They're identical mono-di twins so I got a whole genome sequence for only one of them:

kid (y-dna: R1b-Z2103):




Components %
North_Atlantic 29.70
Baltic 17.48
West_Med 15.23
West_Asian 16.45
East_Med 16.22
Red_Sea 2.28
South_Asian 0.00
East_Asian 0.00
Siberian 0.56
Amerindian 0.25
Oceanian 1.25
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.58

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Romanian @ 10.636
2 100% Bulgarian @ 12.281
3 100% Serbian @ 12.495
4 100% North_Italian @ 15.821
5 100% Greek_Thessaly @ 15.917
6 100% Tuscan @ 16.392
7 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.211
8 100% Hungarian @ 18.370
9 100% French @ 18.822
10 100% West_German @ 18.993

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Icelandic + 50% Turkish @ 5.641
2 50% Southeast_English + 50% Turkish @ 5.681
3 50% North_Dutch + 50% Turkish @ 5.744
4 50% Orcadian + 50% Turkish @ 5.756
5 50% Southwest_English + 50% Turkish @ 5.851
6 50% Norwegian + 50% Turkish @ 5.876
7 50% Central_Greek + 50% North_German @ 6.098
8 50% Irish + 50% Turkish @ 6.111
9 50% Danish + 50% Turkish @ 6.208
10 50% West_Scottish + 50% Turkish @ 6.245

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% South_Dutch + 33% South_Dutch + 33% Georgian_Jew @ 3.370
2 33% West_German + 33% Austrian + 33% Armenian @ 3.431
3 33% South_Dutch + 33% South_Dutch + 33% Armenian @ 3.485
4 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Armenian @ 3.516
5 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Turkish @ 3.564
6 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Georgian_Jew @ 3.620
7 33% West_German + 33% Austrian + 33% Turkish @ 3.708
8 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Turkish @ 3.854
9 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Armenian @ 3.884
10 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Azeri @ 4.136

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.211
2 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.483
3 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.526
4 25% West_German + 25% West_German + 25% Moldavian + 25% Armenian @ 3.547
5 25% West_German + 25% West_German + 25% Austrian + 25% Armenian @ 3.670
6 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.749
7 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Adygei @ 3.753
8 25% Norwegian + 25% Norwegian + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.825
9 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Adygei @ 3.955
10 25% French + 25% French + 25% Austrian + 25% Armenian @ 4.048



How would that work in your updated list.

[Leto]

And I said a long time ago that you had upgraded your race and reduced the swarthyness xD (this is TA, so yes, you're gonna have to tolerate comments like these).

[Feiichy]

They're identical mono-di twins so I got a whole genome sequence for only one of them:

kid (y-dna: R1b-Z2103):




Components %
North_Atlantic 29.70
Baltic 17.48
West_Med 15.23
West_Asian 16.45
East_Med 16.22
Red_Sea 2.28
South_Asian 0.00
East_Asian 0.00
Siberian 0.56
Amerindian 0.25
Oceanian 1.25
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.58

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Romanian @ 10.636
2 100% Bulgarian @ 12.281
3 100% Serbian @ 12.495
4 100% North_Italian @ 15.821
5 100% Greek_Thessaly @ 15.917
6 100% Tuscan @ 16.392
7 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.211
8 100% Hungarian @ 18.370
9 100% French @ 18.822
10 100% West_German @ 18.993

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Icelandic + 50% Turkish @ 5.641
2 50% Southeast_English + 50% Turkish @ 5.681
3 50% North_Dutch + 50% Turkish @ 5.744
4 50% Orcadian + 50% Turkish @ 5.756
5 50% Southwest_English + 50% Turkish @ 5.851
6 50% Norwegian + 50% Turkish @ 5.876
7 50% Central_Greek + 50% North_German @ 6.098
8 50% Irish + 50% Turkish @ 6.111
9 50% Danish + 50% Turkish @ 6.208
10 50% West_Scottish + 50% Turkish @ 6.245

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% South_Dutch + 33% South_Dutch + 33% Georgian_Jew @ 3.370
2 33% West_German + 33% Austrian + 33% Armenian @ 3.431
3 33% South_Dutch + 33% South_Dutch + 33% Armenian @ 3.485
4 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Armenian @ 3.516
5 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Turkish @ 3.564
6 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Georgian_Jew @ 3.620
7 33% West_German + 33% Austrian + 33% Turkish @ 3.708
8 33% West_German + 33% West_German + 33% Turkish @ 3.854
9 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Armenian @ 3.884
10 33% French + 33% Austrian + 33% Azeri @ 4.136

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.211
2 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.483
3 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.526
4 25% West_German + 25% West_German + 25% Moldavian + 25% Armenian @ 3.547
5 25% West_German + 25% West_German + 25% Austrian + 25% Armenian @ 3.670
6 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Abkhasian @ 3.749
7 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Algerian_Jew + 25% Adygei @ 3.753
8 25% Norwegian + 25% Norwegian + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Georgian @ 3.825
9 25% Icelandic + 25% Icelandic + 25% Italian_Jew + 25% Adygei @ 3.955
10 25% French + 25% French + 25% Austrian + 25% Armenian @ 4.048



How would that work in your updated list.

Wow, cool. They get bad distances at single sharing, but 3/4 way breakdown is interesting and with very good distance;

Target: eupator_child
Distance: 1.2724% / 1.27235348 | R3P

46.2 Swiss_German_North
32.7 Greek_Pontus
21.1 German_East_Prussia_Central

Target: eupator_child
Distance: 1.1753% / 1.17529995 | R4P

31.0 Welsh_South
29.1 Greek_Samos
21.6 Turkish_East-Black_Sea
18.3 German_East_Prussia_Central

Distance to: eupator_child

10.10405859 Bulgarian_Moldova
10.34107345 Bulgarian_Northeastern
10.91131065 Macedonian_East
11.34129622 Macedonian_Central
11.38049647 Bulgarian_Southwestern
11.40796213 Italian_Friuli
11.44314205 Albanian_Montenegro
11.52665173 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
11.93305074 Macedonian_North
11.95437577 Romanian_Muntenia
11.96695032 Albanian_Kosovo
11.98798982 Romanian_Oltenia
12.11240273 Bulgarian_Southeastern
12.14090194 Romanian_Banat
12.57866448 Romanian_Transylvania
12.58565056 Aromanian
12.60446350 Romanian_Dobruja
12.64396694 Bulgarian_Northcentral
12.66943566 Bulgarian_Southcentral
12.68052444 Austrian_Tyrol
12.74969019 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
12.82224239 Macedonian_South
12.93887940 Romanian_Moldavia_South
13.05259361 Italian_Veneto
13.07578296 Romanian_Crişana

[kingmob]

Interesting; in one study I read Irish from around Cork have most distinctive Irish genetics (most insular? whatever that means), but would need Grace and her expertise to explain better :p

If only we had a ping feature.

[kingmob]

Wow, cool. They get bad distances at single sharing, but 3/4 way breakdown is interesting and with very good distance;

Target: eupator_child
Distance: 1.2724% / 1.27235348 | R3P

46.2 Swiss_German_North
32.7 Greek_Pontus
21.1 German_East_Prussia_Central

Target: eupator_child
Distance: 1.1753% / 1.17529995 | R4P

31.0 Welsh_South
29.1 Greek_Samos
21.6 Turkish_East-Black_Sea
18.3 German_East_Prussia_Central

Distance to: eupator_child

10.10405859 Bulgarian_Moldova
10.34107345 Bulgarian_Northeastern
10.91131065 Macedonian_East
11.34129622 Macedonian_Central
11.38049647 Bulgarian_Southwestern
11.40796213 Italian_Friuli
11.44314205 Albanian_Montenegro
11.52665173 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
11.93305074 Macedonian_North
11.95437577 Romanian_Muntenia
11.96695032 Albanian_Kosovo
11.98798982 Romanian_Oltenia
12.11240273 Bulgarian_Southeastern
12.14090194 Romanian_Banat
12.57866448 Romanian_Transylvania
12.58565056 Aromanian
12.60446350 Romanian_Dobruja
12.64396694 Bulgarian_Northcentral
12.66943566 Bulgarian_Southcentral
12.68052444 Austrian_Tyrol
12.74969019 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
12.82224239 Macedonian_South
12.93887940 Romanian_Moldavia_South
13.05259361 Italian_Veneto
13.07578296 Romanian_Crişana



Very cool. They have been balkanized.

[kingmob]

And I said a long time ago that you had upgraded your race and reduced the swarthyness xD (this is TA, so yes, you're gonna have to tolerate comments like these).


It's all good, man, no worries.

Despite their nordic pull, they can still tan properly and they have med eyes, so I am good.

:thumb001:

[Leto]

It's all good, man, no worries.

Despite their nordic pull, they can still tan properly and they have med eyes, so I am good.

:thumb001:
Sure, in all seriousness you're still European and even the Kartvelian type ancestry is a good thing IMO. Do you instill Greek culture in the kids?

[kingmob]

Sure, in all seriousness you're still European and even the Kartvelian type ancestry is a good thing IMO. Do you instill Greek culture in the kids?

We want them to be both Greek and British.

At the moment they are more British than Greek, especially in their (mother) tongue, they mostly speak English with cockney accents, but we are slowly getting there with the Greek part.

[Grace O'Malley]

Interesting; in one study I read Irish from around Cork have most distinctive Irish genetics (most insular? whatever that means), but would need Grace and her expertise to explain better :p

Yes Cork was the most distinctive in the Irish DNA Atlas study but when Donegal was added to the Scotland and the Isles study that was the most isolated area and most distinctive. I'll post more about it later on.

[Grace O'Malley]

His origins are from Cork in the South, the fact that he matches Northern Ireland, is an interesting tidbit. Thanks again.

I think myself and mother matched Northern Ireland as well on that so I don't think it can differentiate Irish counties. Is it K36?

[Coastal Elite]

Yes Cork was the most distinctive in the Irish DNA Atlas study but when Donegal was added to the Scotland and the Isles study that was the most isolated area and most distinctive. I'll post more about it later on.

Donegal just had to upstage Cork, didn't they :shakefist

[Grace O'Malley]

Donegal just had to upstage Cork, didn't they :shakefist

Fark Donegal :)

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN2t0dHJyYjNtZm5jcm1ucHRmOTZzMnc 4ZTRiMzRhZDM2ZTBvdWJnZCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ha0d2u03EkhWM/giphy.gif

[Coastal Elite]

Fark Donegal :)

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN2t0dHJyYjNtZm5jcm1ucHRmOTZzMnc 4ZTRiMzRhZDM2ZTBvdWJnZCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ha0d2u03EkhWM/giphy.gif

I do have a soft spot for Donegal wool and tweed

[Grace O'Malley]

Distance to: eupator_Father-in-law

1.92104138 Irish_Ulster
2.09265382 Irish_Munster
2.11497045 Irish_Connacht
2.54289205 Irish_Leinster
2.60065376 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
2.73501371 Welsh_North
2.86200978 British_Ulster
2.91667619 Scottish_Southwest
3.04727747 Scottish_Northeast
3.08904516 Scottish_North-Highlands
3.30824727 Welsh_South
3.32492105 Scottish_East
3.83174895 Scottish_Shetland
3.89887163 Scottish_Orkney
3.95401062 English_Yorkshire
4.46376523 English_Lancashire
4.72419305 English_Northeast
4.83889450 English_Southwest
4.92902627 Cornish
5.05343448 Icelandic
5.28531929 Dutch_North-Holland
5.40646835 English_West-Midlands
5.77295418 English_Southeast
5.80324047 Dutch_Overijssel
5.87643599 Dutch_Friesland

Distance to: eupator_Father-in-law

2.04716878 IRE_Kerry(n=4)
2.10770017 IRE_Clare(n=31)
2.11248669 IRE_Mayo(n=10)
2.13586048 IRE_Galway(n=12)
2.13904184 IRE_Donegal(n=16)
2.15367128 IRE_Antrim(n=7)
2.47141660 WAL_Carmarthenshire(n=4)
2.48571921 IRE_Cork(n=12)
2.74412099 IRE_Down(n=1)
2.77564407 IRE_Dublin(n=6)
2.77587824 IRE_Tipperary(n=3)
2.95457273 IRE_Roscommon(n=1)
3.20527690 SCO_Aberdeenshire(n=3)
3.20809913 WAL_Denbighshire(n=2)
3.29148902 IRE_Westmeath(n=1)
3.35947913 IRE_Kilkenny(n=3)
3.47102290 ENG_Cumbria(n=5)
3.49390899 IRE_Belfast(n=4)
3.50533879 IRE_Leitrim(n=1)
3.51471194 IRE_Armagh(n=1)
3.51832346 IRE_Cavan(n=1)
3.54740750 SCO_Lanarkshire(n=4)
3.57903618 SCO_Banffshire(n=1)
3.66488745 SCO_Glasgow(n=4)
3.67759432 ENG_Northumberland(n=3)

If this is K13 then no I get Icelandic first.

Distance to: Grace
2.37583669 Icelandic
3.03324908 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
3.90000000 Irish_Connacht
3.92126255 Scottish
3.97353747 Dutch_North
3.99221743 Scottish_Southwest
4.02823783 West_Scottish
4.04991358 Norwegian
4.11541006 Irish
4.25025882 Irish_Munster
4.25540832 Scottish_Northeast
4.25605451 Orcadian
4.35045975 Scottish_East
4.41269759 Irish_Leinster
4.50302121 Scottish_North_Highlands
4.52268725 Irish_Ulster
4.67891013 Denmark
4.67923071 Dutch_Central
4.86428823 Norway_South_Central
4.90855376 English_North
5.16241223 Welsh
5.19384251 Dutch
5.25249465 Sweden_Götaland
5.75115641 German_Northwest
5.81993127 English

[Grace O'Malley]

It was from the study Insular Celtic Population Structure and the Genomic Footprints of Migration


ChromoPainter PC1 demonstrated high diversity amongst clusters from the west coast, which may be attributed to longstanding residual ancient (possibly Celtic) structure in regions largely unaffected by historical migration. Alternatively, genetic clusters may also have diverged as a consequence of differential influence from outside populations, as this diversity between western genetic clusters cannot be explained in terms of geographic distance alone. South Munster (SMN) and Cork (CRK) clusters branch off first in the fineSTRUCTURE tree and show distinct separation from their neighbouring north Munster clusters (NMN), indicating that south Munster’s haplotypic makeup is more distinct from its neighbouring regions and the remaining regions than any other cluster. TVD analysis supports this observation (S1 Table and S3 Table), with the Cork cluster in particular showing strong differentiation from other clusters. This may reflect the persistent isolating effects of the mountain ranges surrounding the south Munster counties of Cork and Kerry, restricting gene flow with the rest of Ireland and preserving older structure.

You can see it in this diagram below South Munster (SMN)

https://storage.googleapis.com/plos-corpus-prod/10.1371/journal.pgen.1007152/1/pgen.1007152.g002.PNG_L?X-Goog-Algorithm=GOOG4-RSA-SHA256&X-Goog-Credential=wombat-sa%40plos-prod.iam.gserviceaccount.com%2F20231222%2Fauto%2Fs torage%2Fgoog4_request&X-Goog-Date=20231222T064844Z&X-Goog-Expires=86400&X-Goog-SignedHeaders=host&X-Goog-Signature=1a88cc354a01d9296c87d01e92ee8acaca13d939 45568b4cbad969b585b0fb53983fe11127479afa3e31b4a349 697cc10229ba1d973f2814e2e1d1dde99288af88828a71d5cf 32758ade7b1d77af8db740af756a88dc12251d87d55f48c90d e0c4837a6481365835a079da3f2aa0efe26c2f346e8ea1edaa 81385b9f7a33fcf1225bbdf72cdf997aa039f5f63de1a67bb8 ae1d1c3ffaacfc74e7476b34f59c9a5ef5644ab99c9cad05a9 0107fd71ed4d5b5f13f27bd8ed0454cdc4a89cf2e890a04254 f2933a3e42eb5a94f2752c7afa6c52f213bd7efb3cda446553 513207f380edc72431a77d47ad60fea0aef4d44dbe7c838ca8 00d6d5c00c78b64d5a35d4

From the Genetic Landscape of Scotland and the Isles

Many genetic boundaries are consistent with Dark Age kingdoms of Gaels, Picts, Britons, and Norse. Populations in the Hebrides, the Highlands, Argyll, Donegal, and the Isle of Man show characteristics of isolation.

You can see it is somewhat distinctive here on this diagram but in Britain and Ireland the most distinctive areas are Orkney and Shetland not too surprisingly.

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.1904761116/asset/c5932165-3c6d-4959-b2e1-14cc348a7450/assets/graphic/pnas.1904761116fig01.jpeg

Anyway most distinctive would be Donegal and then South Munster in Ireland.

[Coastal Elite]

It was from the study Insular Celtic Population Structure and the Genomic Footprints of Migration



You can see it in this diagram below South Munster (SMN)

https://storage.googleapis.com/plos-corpus-prod/10.1371/journal.pgen.1007152/1/pgen.1007152.g002.PNG_L?X-Goog-Algorithm=GOOG4-RSA-SHA256&X-Goog-Credential=wombat-sa%40plos-prod.iam.gserviceaccount.com%2F20231222%2Fauto%2Fs torage%2Fgoog4_request&X-Goog-Date=20231222T064844Z&X-Goog-Expires=86400&X-Goog-SignedHeaders=host&X-Goog-Signature=1a88cc354a01d9296c87d01e92ee8acaca13d939 45568b4cbad969b585b0fb53983fe11127479afa3e31b4a349 697cc10229ba1d973f2814e2e1d1dde99288af88828a71d5cf 32758ade7b1d77af8db740af756a88dc12251d87d55f48c90d e0c4837a6481365835a079da3f2aa0efe26c2f346e8ea1edaa 81385b9f7a33fcf1225bbdf72cdf997aa039f5f63de1a67bb8 ae1d1c3ffaacfc74e7476b34f59c9a5ef5644ab99c9cad05a9 0107fd71ed4d5b5f13f27bd8ed0454cdc4a89cf2e890a04254 f2933a3e42eb5a94f2752c7afa6c52f213bd7efb3cda446553 513207f380edc72431a77d47ad60fea0aef4d44dbe7c838ca8 00d6d5c00c78b64d5a35d4

From the Genetic Landscape of Scotland and the Isles

Many genetic boundaries are consistent with Dark Age kingdoms of Gaels, Picts, Britons, and Norse. Populations in the Hebrides, the Highlands, Argyll, Donegal, and the Isle of Man show characteristics of isolation.

You can see it is somewhat distinctive here on this diagram but in Britain and Ireland the most distinctive areas are Orkney and Shetland not too surprisingly.

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.1904761116/asset/c5932165-3c6d-4959-b2e1-14cc348a7450/assets/graphic/pnas.1904761116fig01.jpeg

Anyway most distinctive would be Donegal and then South Munster in Ireland.

Great info. Do you think geographic isolation creates these distinctive groups?

[Grace O'Malley]

Great info. Do you think it is matter of geographic isolation that creates these distinctive groups?

Yes definitely isolation is a big factor. Places like Cork though haven't been that isolated as far as input from Normans, Vikings and English but it seems less genetic mixing from other parts of Ireland.

You can see about the historical populations that have come into Cork.


Cork was originally a monastic settlement, reputedly founded by Saint Finbarr in the 6th century.[12] Cork became (more) urbanised some point between 915 and 922 when Norseman (Viking) settlers founded a trading port.[13] It has been proposed that, like Dublin, Cork was an important trading centre in the global Scandinavian trade network.[14] The ecclesiastical settlement continued alongside the Viking longphort, with the two developing a type of symbiotic relationship; the Norsemen providing otherwise unobtainable trade goods for the monastery, and perhaps also military aid.[15]

The city's charter was granted by Prince John, as Lord of Ireland, in 1185.[16] The city was once fully walled, and some wall sections and gates remain today.[17] For much of the Middle Ages, Cork city was an outpost of Old English culture in the midst of a predominantly hostile Gaelic countryside and cut off from the English government in the Pale around Dublin. Neighbouring Gaelic and Hiberno-Norman lords extorted "Black Rent" from the citizens to keep them from attacking the city. The present extent of the city has exceeded the medieval boundaries of the Barony of Cork City; it now takes in much of the neighbouring Barony of Cork. Together, these baronies are located between the Barony of Barrymore to the east, Muskerry East to the west and Kerrycurrihy to the south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_(city)

[Coastal Elite]

Yes definitely isolation is a big factor. Places like Cork though haven't been that isolated as far as input from Normans, Vikings and English but it seems less genetic mixing from other parts of Ireland.

You can see about the historical populations that have come into Cork.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_(city)

Yup, the Viking and Norman input for sure. That's why my mom is 5'9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse%E2%80%93Gaels