Do African-Americans know that they have European DNA?

[Creaticia]

Apart from those who have already had a DNA test, are African-Americans generally aware that they are of mixed race? Or has the question never arisen for most of them?

[Leto]

Some do but most of them are just too ignorant to know. They just see themselves as black, that's all there is to it.

[Beowulf]

I remember watching some videos of African Americans doing the DNA test and a lot of them were surprised of being like 1/4 European, seems that most of them don't know that.

[J. Ketch]

Some do but most of them are just too ignorant to know. They just see themselves as black, that's all there is to it.
They're not wrong there.

'African-American' is a recent, manufactured identity anyway.

[Zeno]

Here, obviously only half-black people, where some of them don't even look like Africans to the slightest, think of themselves as exclusively black.

It's no surprise that most African Americans don't know they have significant European admixture.

[Oghuz]

Racial self-identification =/= Actual genetics

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Yes, they know they have about 15-25% European DNA, but they don't take much pride in it, as it is the result of rapes of wives and daughters of slave families by slave owners, their sons, and overseers.

Fun fact: most start identifying as African American at around 28% SSA. Even nowadays, there is a tendency among mixed-race individuals to identify only as black and suppress their white side, even when this constitutes about 70% of their ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/FG7g2bD.jpg

[Feiichy]

They do. Average Afram is about 80% black.

[JerryS.]

Many "light skin" black Americans claim American Indian ancestry as an explanation for their lighter color; they do this because they are racist against European Americans and don't want to face that they are part European also.

[gixajo]

23andMe gave me 0.2% Senegambian so I have the right to identify as African American, (even though I have never been in America or have any genetic contribution from American continent one of my sisters looks Amazonian).

[Tooting Carmen]

I am sure some of them do, and it is quite galling how even literal Mulattoes (Halle Berry, Karyn Parsons, Barack Obama) are called 'Black'.

[Tooting Carmen]

They do. Average Afram is about 80% black.

In the NYC school that you attended, what proportion of staff and students were Black (however loosely defined)?

[kingmob]

23andMe gave me 0.2% Senegambian so I have the right to identify as African American, (even though I have never been in America or have any genetic contribution from American continent one of my sisters looks Amazonian).


I applaud your conviction and like to add I also identify as part papua-new-guinea since I score 1% or so of it on qpadm and those g25 pcas.

[Oghuz]

Yes, they know they have about 15-25% European DNA, but they don't take much pride in it, as it is the result of rapes of wives and daughters of slave families by slave owners, their sons, and overseers.

Fun fact: most start identifying as African American at around 28% SSA. Even nowadays, there is a tendency among mixed-race individuals to identify only as black and suppress their white side, even when this constitutes about 70% of their ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/FG7g2bD.jpg

That's just sad.

[Leto]

Many "light skin" black Americans claim American Indian ancestry as an explanation for their lighter color; they do this because they are racist against European Americans and don't want to face that they are part European also.
And when they mix with whites (everyone knows that black men love white women), the kids are usually not even proper mulattoes. In general it's interesting that the two biggest non-white groups in the U.S. (black and Hispanic) are part European. You can mix with a goddamn Honduran and still have a 70% European kid xD

[Tooting Carmen]

And when they mix with whites (everyone knows that black men love white women), the kids are usually not even proper mulattoes. In general it's interesting that the two biggest non-white groups in the U.S. (black and Hispanic) are part European. You can mix with a goddamn Honduran and still have a 70% European kid xD

Well that's the New World for you. Only Guatemala, Bolivia and some but by no means all Caribbean nations have an outright majority of people with little or no Euro DNA.

[Adrianv2]

Yes, they know they have about 15-25% European DNA, but they don't take much pride in it, as it is the result of rapes of wives and daughters of slave families by slave owners, their sons, and overseers.

Fun fact: most start identifying as African American at around 28% SSA. Even nowadays, there is a tendency among mixed-race individuals to identify only as black and suppress their white side, even when this constitutes about 70% of their ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/FG7g2bD.jpg

There's no evidence to support these fabricated rape claims. You don't think black women wanted to live in the "Big House" of course they did. So the best way to do that is to get with white men who have $$$. And before that,
If the family is the building block of society, it is also the keystone of historical understanding. Nowhere is this more evident than in the study of black people who were free in the slave societies of the Americas. Often the product of relationships between slaves and free people of various admixtures of African, Native American, and European descent, the free blacks' familial origins and subsequent domestic connections determined their legal status and shaped, in large measure, their social standing. No one has made this point more forcefully than Paul Heinegg, who, during the last twenty years, has meticulously constructed and reconstructed the genealogies of free people of color in Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland and Delaware. Now, with this expansion of his earlier book on North Carolina and Virginia, Heinegg has extended his work to South Carolina. Taken together, Heinegg provides the fullest discussion of the familial origins of free people of color in the Anglophone colonial South.
Heinegg's studies of free black families bear with particular force on the period when the South was a society-with-slaves. During those years--prior to the advent of the staple producing plantation, tobacco in the Chesapeake and rice in the Carolinas-- the line between freedom and slavery was extraordinarily permeable. Various peoples of European, African, and Native American descent crossed it freely and often. In such socially ill-defined circumstances, white men and women held black and Indian slaves and white servants, and black men and women did like. Peoples of European, African and Native American descent--both free and unfree--worked, played, and even married openly in a manner that would later be condemned by custom and prohibited by law.


Such open relations have long been known to students of the colonial past, but Heinegg's genealogies--by the weight of their number and by their extraordinary detail--make evident their full complexity and expose their extraordinary intimacy. Everywhere whites, blacks, and Indians united in both long-term and casual sexual relations, some coerced and some freely entered. That mixing took place at the top of the social order, where white men of property and standing forced themselves on unwilling servant and slave women, often producing children of mixed racial origins. But Heinegg maintains such relationships produced a scant one percent of the free children of color. Inter-racial sex was far more prevalent at the base of colonial society, where poor and often unfree peoples--mostly slaves and servants of various derivations -lived and worked under common conditions. Indeed, as Heinegg demonstrates, most free people of color had their beginnings in relations between white women (servant and free) and black men (slave, servant, and free). These relations, moreover, often represented long-term and loving commitments. It was precisely the lowly origins of free people of color--outside the ranks of the propertied classes--that condemned free people of color to poverty and excluded them from "respectable" society in the colonial South. The poverty of their parents--particularly their black fathers--denied free children of color the patrimony and the allied connections necessary for social advancement.
Such egalitarian intermingling ended with the advent of the plantation. Legal proscriptions on sexual relations between white and black, particularly between white women and black men accompanied the transformation of the colonial South from a society-with-slaves into a slave society. As Heinegg observes, with the prohibition on inter-racial sexual unions, mixed race children became illegitimate by definition and could be bound out for upwards of thirty years. Their mothers, if servants, received additional terms of servitude. During their captivity, the term of service of both mother and child could be extended for any one of a number of offenses. As a result, free people of color spent a large portion of their lives in the service of others. "In some instances," as Heinegg concludes, "the indenture laws virtually enslaved a person for life."
https://freeafricanamericans.com/foreword.htm

[Feiichy]

Many "light skin" black Americans claim American Indian ancestry as an explanation for their lighter color; they do this because they are racist against European Americans and don't want to face that they are part European also.

Funny things is that black Americans are more likely to have actual native American blood than whites.

[Feiichy]

In the NYC school that you attended, what proportion of staff and students were Black (however loosely defined)?

10-15% IMO. Mostly local Aframs, a Jamaican and I remember one Namibian student (he was Khoisan looking, so quite different from Aframs). If we would add Dominican students and some Brazilians with big African admixture, percentage would be higher.

There were quite a bit of mullatoes from Dominican Republic but they didn't identify as black.

[Thorns]

I was living with a Jamaican girl who had a cousin that almost died in front of my face when he found out that his grandfather was a Scottish man in the UK Royal Navy. Now he knows.

[Tooting Carmen]

10-15% IMO. Mostly local Aframs, a Jamaican and I remember one Namibian student (he was Khoisan looking, so quite different from Aframs). If we would add Dominican students and some Brazilians with big African admixture, percentage would be higher.

There were quite a bit of mullatoes from Dominican Republic but they didn't identify as black.

Yeah the average Dominican looks a bit like our forum member SilverKnight, and while you can find some (self-identified) Aframs like that, they aren't the norm.

[JerryS.]

Funny things is that black Americans are more likely to have actual native American blood than whites.

Probably so. Of the whites that I know to claim American Indian ancestry, two can trace back to a 100% grandparent, one had a DNA test to show it.... the rest were like many British people claiming gypsy ancestry, hear say only claims.

[Tooting Carmen]

Probably so. Of the whites that I know to claim American Indian ancestry, two can trace back to a 100% grandparent, one had a DNA test to show it.... the rest were like many British people claiming gypsy ancestry, hear say only claims.

If anything, Jewish ancestry here is rather more common than Romani ancestry.

[celticdragongod]

Many "light skin" black Americans claim American Indian ancestry as an explanation for their lighter color; they do this because they are racist against European Americans and don't want to face that they are part European also.

Also, African-Americans and Native Americans are eligible for affirmative action programs. Whites are not.

[axel.aleman]

23andMe gave me 0.2% Senegambian so I have the right to identify as African American, (even though I have never been in America or have any genetic contribution from American continent one of my sisters looks Amazonian).

Just noise but you can if you desire

[axel.aleman]

Yeah the average Dominican looks a bit like our forum member SilverKnight, and while you can find some (self-identified) Aframs like that, they aren't the norm.

Aframs are much more blacker and no massive race mixing in US
Yes in Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Panama, Atlantic Colombia, Coastal Venezuela and latter in Cuba

[Ajeje Brazorf]

That's just sad.

Yeah, what Black people had to go through in the past is certainly sad, but at least they love being Black and defend their identity with great pride. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for White Americans who hate themselves for being White and really seem to be doing their best to self-destruct. Blacks were 10.5% in 1960 and 12.4% in 2020; Whites were 88.8% in 1960 and... 61.6% in 2020.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ft_2020.02.05_blackidentity_01.png

[Oghuz]

Yeah, what Black people had to go through in the past is certainly sad, but at least they love being Black and defend their identity with great pride. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for White Americans who hate themselves for being White and really seem to be doing their best to self-destruct. Blacks were 10.5% in 1960 and 12.4% in 2020; Whites were 88.8% in 1960 and... 61.6% in 2020.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ft_2020.02.05_blackidentity_01.png

Actually, I was saying that it is sad that black Americans do not cherish the European part of their genetic makeup. I mean I know what wokeism did to America.

Yes and white self hatred is also sad. People need to wake up for their children's sake before its too late.

[JerryS.]

If anything, Jewish ancestry here is rather more common than Romani ancestry.

I'm referring to unsubstantiated claims of Romani ancestry akin to Americans claiming Cherokee et al.

[RogueState]

Before there were little to no SSA immigration, so both geographically-uneducated Whites and Blacks weren't really aware of what "pure" SSA looked-like - the difference is quite striking in general at group level (although some individuals can pass to each other)

Now, with the immigration of SSA groups, I believe Black Americans are more aware of their difference with regular SSA - up to the point that there are some movements among Black Americans that wants to distance themselves from the Black umbrella (so to not be confused with regular SSA immigrants) and call themselves FBA (Foundational Black Americans)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB9iQvNuEDc


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