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Grace O'Malley
12-27-2023, 07:05 AM
This was a study done in 2021 but wasn't posted here. The reason I was interested in this was because a lot of Filipino dna youtube videos have been popping up on my feed. I'm interested to see what people get on these tests. Anyway all of them say how they have a Spanish Great Grandparent and then are really disappointed when they get no Spanish in their results. It is something that happens with all Filipinos and it reminds me of Americans who think they have Native American and are confused when results indicate they have none. Anyway this study indicates that Spanish is virtually absent in the Philippines so people might be interested in this study.

Multiple migrations to the Philippines during the last 50,000 years


Abstract
Island Southeast Asia has recently produced several surprises regarding human history, but the region’s complex demography remains poorly understood. Here, we report ∼2.3 million genotypes from 1,028 individuals representing 115 indigenous Philippine populations and genome-sequence data from two ∼8,000-y-old individuals from Liangdao in the Taiwan Strait. We show that the Philippine islands were populated by at least five waves of human migration: initially by Northern and Southern Negritos (distantly related to Australian and Papuan groups), followed by Manobo, Sama, Papuan, and Cordilleran-related populations. The ancestors of Cordillerans diverged from indigenous peoples of Taiwan at least ∼8,000 y ago, prior to the arrival of paddy field rice agriculture in the Philippines ∼2,500 y ago, where some of their descendants remain to be the least admixed East Asian groups carrying an ancestry shared by all Austronesian-speaking populations. These observations contradict an exclusive “out-of-Taiwan” model of farming–language–people dispersal within the last four millennia for the Philippines and Island Southeast Asia. Sama-related ethnic groups of southwestern Philippines additionally experienced some minimal South Asian gene flow starting ∼1,000 y ago. Lastly, only a few lowlanders, accounting for <1% of all individuals, presented a low level of West Eurasian admixture, indicating a limited genetic legacy of Spanish colonization in the Philippines. Altogether, our findings reveal a multilayered history of the Philippines, which served as a crucial gateway for the movement of people that ultimately changed the genetic landscape of the Asia-Pacific region.


The Philippines was a Spanish Colony for 333 y from 1565 until 1898. However, we only observe significant population-level signals of European admixture in some urbanized lowlanders, Bicolanos, and Spanish Creole-speaking Chavacanos (SI Appendix, Table S7Y). Some individuals from Bolinao, Cebuano, Ibaloi, Itabayaten, Ilocano, Ivatan, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, and Yogad groups also presented low levels of European admixture (SI Appendix, Table S7Y). This admixture is estimated to have taken place 100 to 450 y ago, which falls within the Spanish Colonial Period (SI Appendix, Table S7Z). In contrast to several other Spanish-colonized regions, Philippine demography appears to have remained largely unaffected by admixture with Europeans.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2026132118

Grace O'Malley
12-27-2023, 07:45 AM
This is from the Supplementary section.

6.7 Detection of West Eurasian gene flow dated to the Spanish colonial period
The Philippines was a colony of Spain from 1565 until 1898, and subsequently under
American rule from 1901 until 1946. In contrast to the Philippines, the genetic legacy
of the Colonial Period in the Americas is readily apparent today through the detectable
high West Eurasian ancestry among the majority of lowland and/or urbanized
populations of Latin America (88, 89). In the Philippine context, however, admixture
between Spanish and local indigenous populations is largely limited (Figs. S2B-D &
Tables S2-4), and can only be detected at a population level, using the test
D(Mbuti,CEU,Balangao,X), among Bicolano and Creole-speaking Chavacano ethnic
groups (Table S7Y). The signal is likely driven by 4 out of 10 individuals tested among
Chavacanos, and 1-2 individuals with high levels of West Eurasian ancestry out of 10
tested among Bicolanos. If the threshold of significance is set at Z > 3, the presence
of West Eurasian ancestry was also detected in random individuals (n = 4) among
Yogad, Ibaloi, Kapampangan, and Pangasinan populations. If the threshold of
significance is stretched to Z > 2, the signal can also be detected in some indviduals
from Bolinao, Cebuano, Ibaloi, Itabayaten, Ilocano, Ivatan, Kapampangan,
Pangasinan, and Yogad populations. All of these aforementioned ethnic groups
predominantly reside in lowland and/or urbanized areas (Table S7Y). No West
Eurasian ancestry was detected among Negrito, Manobo, and almost all highland
ethnic groups. The West Eurasian genetic signal detected among Sama-related ethnic
groups can be attributed to South Asian (Ancestral North Indian with high West
Eurasian ancestry) gene flow into these populations. Using Malder (Table S7Z), we
were able to detect a single admixture event characterized as West Eurasian plus
Cordilleran-related, 239 +/- 54 years BP in Bicolano, 156 +/- 36 years BP in
Chavacano, 424 +/- 90 years BP in Cuyonon, 161 +/- 42 years BP in Itawis, 429 +/-
109 years BP in Tagalog, and 178 +/- 28 in Yogad, all of which fall within the period of
Spanish Colonization (Table S7Z). The mean estimates for Kapampangan (548 +/-
153 years BP) and Hiligaynon (507 +/- 150 years BP) were older than the initial arrival
of Spanish colonialists into the Philippines, but have wide confidence intervals where
the lower limits still fall within the Spanish Colonial Period (392 and 357 years BP,
respectively).

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 02:28 AM
I've looked at numerous videos of dna tests of all different people but quite a few Filipinos pop up. Most of them are from the US. I'll add a couple I've just looked at.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2dKN9-uyEY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a_jXCel39E&t=6s

These are a couple of Ancestry ones. They are older but still show no Spanish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYH-G9xZY3c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHp5mhBciEg

Laredo
12-29-2023, 02:33 AM
The Spanish / European ancestry In the Philippines Is very minimum and one of the reasons or main reasons it's because there were no population displacement like In Latin America. You will never hear us In real life bragging about being part Spanish like they do, while 90% of mexicans have actual Spanish great great grandparents from both sides.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 03:06 AM
The Spanish / European ancestry In the Philippines Is very minimum and one of the reasons or main reasons it's because there were no population displacement like In Latin America. You will never hear us In real life bragging about being part Spanish like they do, while 90% of mexicans have actual Spanish great great grandparents from both sides.

From looking at the youtube videos they are told by their families that they have Spanish in their background. I don't completely understand why it is so universal for Filipinos to think they all have some Spanish ancestry? Is it because they carry Spanish surnames? Anyway I would think when they go to school there would be some history lessons explaining that Filipinos acquired their Spanish surnames and also that most do not has Spanish ancestry.

Laredo
12-29-2023, 03:15 AM
From looking at the youtube videos they are told by their families that they have Spanish in their background. I don't completely understand why it is so universal for Filipinos to think they all have some Spanish ancestry? Is it because they carry Spanish surnames? Anyway I would think when they go to school there would be some history lessons explaining that Filipinos acquired their Spanish surnames and also that most do not has Spanish ancestry.

The Spanish surnames In the Philippines it's similar case of how slaves adopted the surnames of their masters, not because they have actual ancestry (some do) but it's not the ordinary case. The Philippines was Mexico during the Spanish empire In reality the minor Spanish drop blood comes from us since they also seem to score amerindian rather than actual Spaniards settlement.

Another factor Is Spaniards brought the Caste system where Spaniard features were seen as superior more beautiful over indigenous and black etc thus is why our socities are so fucked up because of the OWD lol.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 03:26 AM
The Spanish surnames In the Philippines it's similar case of how slaves adopted the surnames of their masters, not because they have actual ancestry (some do) but it's not the ordinary case. The Philippines was Mexico during the Spanish empire In reality the minor Spanish drop blood comes from us since they also seem to score amerindian rather than actual Spaniards settlement.

Another factor Is Spaniards brought the Caste system where Spaniard features were seen as superior more beautiful over indigenous and black etc thus is why our socities are so fucked up because of the OWD lol.

If you look at videos of African-Americans a lot are not happy to have European ancestry and say it is from rape. This is not always the case with them but most claim it is from slavery. Caribbean ones I've seen don't appear to have such antagonism to European ancestry. Some Jamaicans I've seen have very low European and some have none at all.

Coastal Elite
12-29-2023, 03:34 AM
If you look at videos of African-Americans a lot are not happy to have European ancestry and say it is from rape. This is not always the case with them but most claim it is from slavery. Caribbean ones I've seen don't appear to have such antagonism to European ancestry. Some Jamaicans I've seen have very low European and some have none at all.

Videos are anecdotal but I think the English ancestry in African-Americans is very underreported considering some estimates say it makes up to 24% on average in admixture.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 03:47 AM
Videos are anecdotal but I think the English ancestry in African-Americans is very underreported considering some estimates say it makes up to 24% on average in admixture.

I've seen quite a few and they don't seem as antagonistic to Irish ancestry and some think they have Irish ancestry but the majority I've seen looks English to me. Historically Irish came later when slavery was abolished so not many Irish slave masters out there. I know there was some Irish that came prefamine but the bulk of people coming from Ireland at that time were not actually Irish but Scots-Irish. Anyway I know you would be aware of this but just stating for others.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 03:54 AM
Just posting a couple more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy7tyc5XPZQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa0jiNwFewA

Coastal Elite
12-29-2023, 04:02 AM
I've seen quite a few and they don't seem as antagonistic to Irish ancestry and some think they have Irish ancestry but the majority I've seen looks English to me. Historically Irish came later when slavery was abolished so not many Irish slave masters out there. I know there was some Irish that came prefamine but the bulk of people coming from Ireland at that time were not actually Irish but Scots-Irish. Anyway I know you would be aware of this but just stating for others.

Irish Catholics partly avoided slave ownership from immigrating to American too late, as you said, and also settling in more urban regions. It took a lot of money to be a slave owner and it was a fairly elite position even among Protestant Americans. To the degree that Irish Americans did farming, it was mostly ranching without slave labor. We even had an Irish Catholic cattle ranching community near where I grew up that dates back to the 1870s and the Catholic church they built is the oldest in the county.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 04:23 AM
Irish Catholics partly avoided slave ownership from immigrating to American too late, as you said, and also settling in more urban regions. It took a lot of money to be a slave owner and it was a fairly elite position even among Protestant Americans. To the degree that Irish Americans did farming, it was mostly ranching without slave labor. We even had an Irish Catholic cattle ranching community near where I grew up that dates back to the 1870s and the Catholic church they built is the oldest in the county.

Also most dna relatives I have are on the East coast i.e. New York and Philadelphia and then Chicago all urban areas. I know places like Savannah claim to have high Irish descent and I'm sure that's true and Irish did also go to New Orleans.

Coastal Elite
12-29-2023, 04:30 AM
Also most dna relatives I have are on the East coast i.e. New York and Philadelphia and then Chicago all urban areas. I know places like Savannah claim to have high Irish descent and I'm sure that's true and Irish did also go to New Orleans.

Yup, my sister and everyone on my mom's side had the East Coast migration group on AncestryDNA except for me :(. I guess I'm a North Carolina Blue Ridge country boy according to ancestry.

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 05:51 AM
This is an Indonesian dna result. It is interesting with the amount from the Philippines but they are fairly close geographically so not too shocking it also could be shared Austronesian ancestry. It could also be that they don't have enough reference panels for these populations so could change on updates.

I wish people would skip showing what's in the kit and physically doing their test. There's no need for that. :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/axxENDf.png

Another Indonesian result

https://i.imgur.com/sL1dFht.png

This one is interesting as the man is Dutch. Honestly I'd never expect that look in a Dutch person. I would have thought he was Dutch Indonesian but no he is fully Dutch. The 1.1 Greek & Balkan is just MyHeritage's faulty algorithm. True to form MyHeritage giving out false trace regions i.e. a tiny Baltic for the Indonesian girlfriend.

https://i.imgur.com/ZjqYBTf.png

https://i.imgur.com/GFbU1R5.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq97UGGvRgs

Grace O'Malley
12-29-2023, 06:59 AM
Some other results from Filipinos.

https://i.imgur.com/Wyobx8f.png

https://i.imgur.com/VIxny3f.png

https://i.imgur.com/SM6JRat.png
https://i.imgur.com/6RZksOa.png
https://i.imgur.com/Sm5rM9X.png

Nurzat
12-29-2023, 07:19 AM
The Spanish / European ancestry In the Philippines Is very minimum and one of the reasons or main reasons it's because there were no population displacement like In Latin America. You will never hear us In real life bragging about being part Spanish like they do, while 90% of mexicans have actual Spanish great great grandparents from both sides.

that reminds me of northeast Romanians and their Russophobia (they consider Ukrainians to be Russians): friend of mine with Ukrainian last name tested as Ukrainian as me (half) and still denies any East Slavic involvement into Romanian genetics. actually advances the opposite. the same, most people I encounter and tell them they have a Ukrainian last name are almost offended and some even admit that their grandparents used to speak among themselves some sort of Russian or "another language" but they don't do the math to what that means xD so there is a lot of direct and recent East Slavic ancestry in northeast Romania (observed that to some with Russian Lipovan origin as well and very strongly with people of Csango Hungarian obvious background) and people run away from it as Mexicans run away from Spanish ancestry

Tooting Carmen
12-29-2023, 09:24 AM
Didn't the Spaniards (and Americans afterwards) run the Philippines much like the British and French ran most of their Asian and African colonies, i.e. basically as absentee landlords with a few administrators and soldiers here and there?

ChatGPT
10-21-2024, 03:11 PM
I've seen quite a few and they don't seem as antagonistic to Irish ancestry and some think they have Irish ancestry but the majority I've seen looks English to me. Historically Irish came later when slavery was abolished so not many Irish slave masters out there. I know there was some Irish that came prefamine but the bulk of people coming from Ireland at that time were not actually Irish but Scots-Irish. Anyway I know you would be aware of this but just stating for others.

Retired MMA fighter has a story of an Irish ancestor told to him by his family. Who knows if it's 100% accurate. Although that he had mixed ancestors that could pass for White is probably true considering that's something visual that the family would remember.

https://youtu.be/O0QlvxFbCac?si=Rmk6tlQHFttpsg5M

At 5:14.

The Filipinos were given a choice of surnames to choose from. Amusingly almost all the Filipinos I've known had surnames associated with Spanish nobility (De Guzman, Cano, etc.)

On a side note, I've come across MANY Latinos who refer to themselves.l as Spanish. It's very common among Caribbean Latinos (except for Cubans; Cubans always refer to themselves as Cuban from my experience). I always have fun with them by asking what part of Spain is their family from? Lolz.

Jingle Bell
10-21-2024, 03:29 PM
Videos are anecdotal but I think the English ancestry in African-Americans is very underreported considering some estimates say it makes up to 24% on average in admixture.

Afram's are up to 24% European, that European begin divided mostly between English, Irish, German, etc . . .