Steppes are 66-72% ANE.

[Abti]

Is it true? Both their ANE comes from CHG & EHG. Sometimes a ratio between 50-85% EHG and the rest CHG. But I challenge that idea with likely another scenario that would be mostly EHG drifted with some AHG rich Farmer ancestry.

[Abti]

Bump.

[Abti]

In a statement I remember that 'Steppe people could really just be EHG + drift' as evident by their large Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.

[Abti]

And importantly 15.0%+ Early East Asian (Tianyuan-related), that’s where they get their Qs and Rs from.

[Scarface F]

No

[Abti]

No

Yes.

[Abti]

Is it true? Both their ANE comes from CHG & EHG. Sometimes a ratio between 50-85% EHG and the rest CHG. But I challenge that idea with likely another scenario that would be mostly EHG drifted with some AHG rich Farmer ancestry.

There are clearly no obvious CHG uniparentals in Steppe, so I don’t know what people still think Steppes are part CHG when they clearly weren’t. Just some population that was closely related to them. Sure one J1 in Khvalynsk and a J1 in EHG doesn’t really mean anything. But all mtdna looks like Eastern Forager (U), Basal (X-W-I) & Farmer (T-J-H) mediated.

[HectorOfTroy]

Huh? Of Yamnaya samples they're 50% ANE, not 3/4. And yes they were mixed with CHG, mixed or mixed with another pop that was so darn close to CHG that they appeared as the same in a DNA test, that's pretty much the same thing and it's just splitting hairs if they aren't "exactly" CHG admixed (which the academic consensus is that they are.)

[Abti]

Huh? Of Yamnaya samples they're 50% ANE, not 3/4. And yes they were mixed with CHG, mixed or mixed with another pop that was so darn close to CHG that they appeared as the same in a DNA test, that's pretty much the same thing and it's just splitting hairs if they aren't "exactly" CHG admixed (which the academic consensus is that they are.)

"Academic consesus" said Levant_N were Half Basal half UHG when they were mostly Dzudzuana + Basal. You see, even academics aren’t that great and they can be pretty bad too. 50% ANE??? No dude you lost your head they’re much more than that. If they truly were 50% ANE how are udmirts getting 45% ANE despite the fact that they’re only 60-70% Yamnaya as a whole?

[Rædwald]

No.

[majevica]

Yes.

[kingmob]

Sorry, but you won't be able to re-invent the wheel here, OP.

Robust f-statistics show the Iran_N/CHG is very real and comes with a little bit of ANF/PPN cherry on top.

[Abti]

Steppe 50-50 model: EHG (38% ANE) + CHG (25% ANE) total ~63.0% ANE.

Steppe 85-15 model: EHG (64% ANE) + CHG (8% ANE) total ~72.0% ANE.

[HectorOfTroy]

If they truly were 50% ANE how are udmirts getting 45% ANE despite the fact that they’re only 60-70% Yamnaya as a whole?

Because Yamnaya/Kurgans were not the only ANE derived population around, Tarim Basin survived into the bronze age and were not indo Europeans, they were 3/4 ANE.

[HectorOfTroy]

Steppe 50-50 model: EHG (38% ANE) + CHG (25% ANE) total ~63.0% ANE.

Steppe 85-15 model: EHG (64% ANE) + CHG (8% ANE) total ~72.0% ANE.

That's not how the math for admixture works.
Let's say EHG was half ANE, and CHG was half ANE, then you're saying steppe would be 100% ANE? In other words, according to your logic if both my parents are biracial lightskins, I should be 100% black.

The better way to do it would be to take what percentage is EHG, of that portion select the portions that are ANE (portion of a portion) and then do the same with CHG and add it up, not just do botched math like that, because of the example I gave above which clearly things don't work that way.

[Abti]

That's not how the math for admixture works.
Let's say EHG was half ANE, and CHG was half ANE, then you're saying steppe would be 100% ANE? In other words, according to your logic if both my parents are biracial lightskins, I should be 100% black.

The better way to do it would be to take what percentage is EHG, of that portion select the portions that are ANE (portion of a portion) and then do the same with CHG and add it up, not just do botched math like that, because of the example I gave above which clearly things don't work that way.

That is exactly what I’ve done, Hector.

[Abti]

Sorry, but you won't be able to re-invent the wheel here, OP.

Robust f-statistics show the Iran_N/CHG is very real and comes with a little bit of ANF/PPN cherry on top.

Good, that’s what I’ve hoped for.

[NSXD60]

Aryans = Aneyans who spread that dna to other races.

[kingmob]

Because Yamnaya/Kurgans were not the only ANE derived population around, Tarim Basin survived into the bronze age and were not indo Europeans, they were 3/4 ANE.


Tarim mummies have Yamnaya R-M12149 downstream clades.

I have a couple of them upstream of mine on yfull.

[HectorOfTroy]

Tarim mummies have Yamnaya R-M12149 downstream clades.

I have a couple of them upstream of mine on yfull.


Not all of them, there were some there that were of vastly different timelines, like Cherchen man is probably indo-european of sorts I think. The rest were not Indo European/Kurgan derived.

[Miko]

There are clearly no obvious CHG uniparentals in Steppe
...
Farmer (T-J-H) mediated.

I think some mtDNA of the U,H,J,T,V,W,X,I,K kind doesn't come from the Y-DNA G people that invaded Central Europe

It is from the race of the Caucasian CHGs, who have Y-DNA J.
Remember that R* mtDNA haplogroups (aside from UK) came first to the south.
So J and G have admixture from R* mt haplogroups before Y-DNA I got it.