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01-01-2024, 09:12 AM
Ebizur wrote at 21:03, December 31:
Approximately 5% O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males
Ebizur wrote at 22:23, December 31:
Approximately 3,6% O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males
There is no sense in deliberate reducing of the amount of O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males in order to try to create a vision that yDNA O1b2 might have been unrelated to the territory of Northeast Asia (including Korea and Japan).
During the PCR period, the same primers were used to test the P49 mutation of yDNA O1b2 (O-P49) and the mutation of the Q-M242 level by Michael Hammer, which points to genetic similarities of some DNA sequences of O-P49 and Q-M242 and a deep African haplogroup, sharing the same mutation with Q-M242 (for this deep African haplogroup, the same primers were used as well).
In "40,000-Year-Old Individual from Asia Provides Insight into Early Population Structure in Eurasia", the presence of 44%Tianyuan+56%Papuan component in 100% mtDNA D1 Native American Surui population (whose ancestors used to live in the vicinity of Northeast China and Korea) can explain the similarities between ca. 31000-year-old yDNA O1b2 , yDNA Q-M242 and a deep African haplogroup (if all three ancestral populations shared the connection to the component of an intermediary yDNA CT/CT* population spanning from Africa via Western Asia to Southeast Asia, while Southeast Asia is the acquired homeland of Onge’s yDNA D-M174 branch, from where there was a migration to North China (and, consequently, later to Japan) just by the period of 40000-41000 years ago) without the need to postulate the actual coexistence of yDNA O1b2 and yDNA Q-M242 during the birth of both of them in the Palaeolithic. Thus, during the birth of yDNA O1b2 (O-P49), the acceptation of O1b2’s Palaeolithic coexistence with mtDNA D1 is necessary.
Additionally, “Ancient Mitogenomes Reveal the Origins and Genetic Structure of the Neolithic Shimao Population in Northern China” point to the mutation T9881C, uniting mtDNA D1 of Native Americans (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D1ak/) and mtDNA R12 of the Shompen people (influenced by the Late Palaeolithic Japano-Korean yDNA O1b2 population via its contribution to Qihe3), whose language clustered with the Japanese language in Jager, 2016 ("Inferring the world tree of languages from word lists"). The clustering of Japanese and Shompen with a Native American language in Jager, 2016 (only basing on selected items of basic lexicon), the clustering of Japanese with Native American languages in Jager, 2017 (only basing on selected items of basic lexicon) provide a framework for peaceful complementary coexistence in Japan of members belonging to newer haplogroups, migrating from the territory of China, and members belonging to haplogroups, deriving from Japan and Korea, such as yDNA O1b2, yDNA D-M64.1, yDNA C1a-M8.
Since mtDNA M7a and mtDNA D1 were not closely related initially, “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” showed the closer participation of an mtDNA M7a-related population in the formation of a certain part of Native American ancestors. At the same time, “Ancient Mitogenomes Reveal the Origins and Genetic Structure of the Neolithic Shimao Population in Northern China” pointed to the existence of shared mutations between mtDNA M7a of Japan and mtDNA D1 of the Native Americans. The described situation should be one of the reasons why, only in the Japanese populations, all mtDNA D sequences clustered with all mtDNA M7 sequences in “Population dynamics in the Japanese Archipelago since the Pleistocene revealed by the complete mitochondrial genome sequences” (Mizuno et al, 2021), that is, Japanese-specific mtDNA D branches and Japanese-specific mtDNA M7 branches (including mtDNA M7a) should have united only in the Japanese case, because the ancestors of the Japanese population were admixed with the mtDNA D1 population, both mtDNA M7a-related ancestors and mtDNA D-related ancestors.
Additionally, some other Japanese geneticists showed that mtDNA D’M7 macrohaplogroup, only existing in the Japanese case, disunited, when some ancient mutations got themselves included as a part of the so-called “mtDNA MN haplogroup” (“the whole mtDNA M” + “the whole mtDNA N”). In this case, the union of mtDNA D and mtDNA M7 in the Japanese case might be explained by the fact that inhabitants of the Japanese archipelago formed on the substratum of DNA of a too ancient population. As for an archaeological correlate, the less known Japanese archaeologist Hiroyuki Sato suggested that making of stone trapezoids might be the initial “endemic” industry of the Japanese archipelago. Nonetheless, the Chinese archaeologist Youping Wang pointed that the making of stone trapezoids was characteristic of the Late Middle Palaeolithic Shiyu industry, a relative of the Inner Mongolia’s Salawusu industry, that is, the industry existing prior to the emergence of yDNA D-M174, or even prior to the birth of yDNA DE and yDNA CF . Thus, the initial “endemic” Japanese stone trapezoid-making acquires a sort of a relative in Shiyu-Salawusu population prior to the birth of yDNA DE and yDNA CF, which is consistent with the existence of too ancient mutations, uniting mtDNA M and mtDNA N in the Japanese archipelago.
Approximately 5% O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males
Ebizur wrote at 22:23, December 31:
Approximately 3,6% O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males
There is no sense in deliberate reducing of the amount of O1b2(xK10) in Japanese males in order to try to create a vision that yDNA O1b2 might have been unrelated to the territory of Northeast Asia (including Korea and Japan).
During the PCR period, the same primers were used to test the P49 mutation of yDNA O1b2 (O-P49) and the mutation of the Q-M242 level by Michael Hammer, which points to genetic similarities of some DNA sequences of O-P49 and Q-M242 and a deep African haplogroup, sharing the same mutation with Q-M242 (for this deep African haplogroup, the same primers were used as well).
In "40,000-Year-Old Individual from Asia Provides Insight into Early Population Structure in Eurasia", the presence of 44%Tianyuan+56%Papuan component in 100% mtDNA D1 Native American Surui population (whose ancestors used to live in the vicinity of Northeast China and Korea) can explain the similarities between ca. 31000-year-old yDNA O1b2 , yDNA Q-M242 and a deep African haplogroup (if all three ancestral populations shared the connection to the component of an intermediary yDNA CT/CT* population spanning from Africa via Western Asia to Southeast Asia, while Southeast Asia is the acquired homeland of Onge’s yDNA D-M174 branch, from where there was a migration to North China (and, consequently, later to Japan) just by the period of 40000-41000 years ago) without the need to postulate the actual coexistence of yDNA O1b2 and yDNA Q-M242 during the birth of both of them in the Palaeolithic. Thus, during the birth of yDNA O1b2 (O-P49), the acceptation of O1b2’s Palaeolithic coexistence with mtDNA D1 is necessary.
Additionally, “Ancient Mitogenomes Reveal the Origins and Genetic Structure of the Neolithic Shimao Population in Northern China” point to the mutation T9881C, uniting mtDNA D1 of Native Americans (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D1ak/) and mtDNA R12 of the Shompen people (influenced by the Late Palaeolithic Japano-Korean yDNA O1b2 population via its contribution to Qihe3), whose language clustered with the Japanese language in Jager, 2016 ("Inferring the world tree of languages from word lists"). The clustering of Japanese and Shompen with a Native American language in Jager, 2016 (only basing on selected items of basic lexicon), the clustering of Japanese with Native American languages in Jager, 2017 (only basing on selected items of basic lexicon) provide a framework for peaceful complementary coexistence in Japan of members belonging to newer haplogroups, migrating from the territory of China, and members belonging to haplogroups, deriving from Japan and Korea, such as yDNA O1b2, yDNA D-M64.1, yDNA C1a-M8.
Since mtDNA M7a and mtDNA D1 were not closely related initially, “Human genetic history on the Tibetan Plateau in the past 5100 years” showed the closer participation of an mtDNA M7a-related population in the formation of a certain part of Native American ancestors. At the same time, “Ancient Mitogenomes Reveal the Origins and Genetic Structure of the Neolithic Shimao Population in Northern China” pointed to the existence of shared mutations between mtDNA M7a of Japan and mtDNA D1 of the Native Americans. The described situation should be one of the reasons why, only in the Japanese populations, all mtDNA D sequences clustered with all mtDNA M7 sequences in “Population dynamics in the Japanese Archipelago since the Pleistocene revealed by the complete mitochondrial genome sequences” (Mizuno et al, 2021), that is, Japanese-specific mtDNA D branches and Japanese-specific mtDNA M7 branches (including mtDNA M7a) should have united only in the Japanese case, because the ancestors of the Japanese population were admixed with the mtDNA D1 population, both mtDNA M7a-related ancestors and mtDNA D-related ancestors.
Additionally, some other Japanese geneticists showed that mtDNA D’M7 macrohaplogroup, only existing in the Japanese case, disunited, when some ancient mutations got themselves included as a part of the so-called “mtDNA MN haplogroup” (“the whole mtDNA M” + “the whole mtDNA N”). In this case, the union of mtDNA D and mtDNA M7 in the Japanese case might be explained by the fact that inhabitants of the Japanese archipelago formed on the substratum of DNA of a too ancient population. As for an archaeological correlate, the less known Japanese archaeologist Hiroyuki Sato suggested that making of stone trapezoids might be the initial “endemic” industry of the Japanese archipelago. Nonetheless, the Chinese archaeologist Youping Wang pointed that the making of stone trapezoids was characteristic of the Late Middle Palaeolithic Shiyu industry, a relative of the Inner Mongolia’s Salawusu industry, that is, the industry existing prior to the emergence of yDNA D-M174, or even prior to the birth of yDNA DE and yDNA CF . Thus, the initial “endemic” Japanese stone trapezoid-making acquires a sort of a relative in Shiyu-Salawusu population prior to the birth of yDNA DE and yDNA CF, which is consistent with the existence of too ancient mutations, uniting mtDNA M and mtDNA N in the Japanese archipelago.