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Tooting Carmen
01-07-2024, 10:29 PM
Apartheid leaders from Southern Africa do not really count.

USA: Barack Obama.
Guatemala: Alejandro Giammatei.
El Salvador: Nayib Bukele.
Panama: Ricardo Martinelli.
Peru: Alberto Fujimori.
Argentina: Carlos Menem.
Bolivia: Hugo Banzer Suarez, Lydia Gueiler.
Irish Republic: Leo Varadkar.
(Scotland: Hamza Yusuf).
UK: Rishi Sunak.
Portugal: Antonio Costa.

sacha
01-07-2024, 10:31 PM
The entire Assad family lol

cj_227
01-07-2024, 11:02 PM
The Swedish royal family is of French origin, right?

Salty Ears
01-07-2024, 11:50 PM
Latvia: Raimonds Vejonis born in Russia. President is main figure there? I think it is not the only politican in Baltic states that born abroad

coolfrenchguy
01-08-2024, 07:41 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Al_Fujimori.jpg
alberto fujimori,ex-president of peru, is really a transplant

coolfrenchguy
01-08-2024, 07:43 AM
The Swedish royal family is of French origin, right?

right the house of bernadotte

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bernadotte

Tooting Carmen
02-07-2024, 05:22 PM
Paraguay: Alfredo Stroessner.
Chile: Gabriel Boric, Augusto Pinochet, Michelle Bachelet.
Peru: Pedro Pablo Kuczynski.
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff, Michel Temer.
United Kingdom: Benjamin Disraeli. (Some other PMs, including David Cameron and Boris Johnson, have had partial and distant Jewish ancestry).
Australia: Anthony Albanese.

Hektor12
02-07-2024, 05:29 PM
...

Erdogan?

Tooting Carmen
02-07-2024, 05:31 PM
Erdogan?

How so?

Hektor12
02-07-2024, 05:34 PM
How so?

Georgian.

Kess
02-07-2024, 05:39 PM
The entire Assad family lol

Aren’t they Arab?

Kess
02-07-2024, 05:40 PM
How so?

He’s Georgian. Also, people from Rize have zero Turkic ancestry.

Kess
02-07-2024, 05:41 PM
Paraguay: Alfredo Stroessner.
Chile: Gabriel Boric, Augusto Pinochet, Michelle Bachelet.
Peru: Pedro Pablo Kuczynski.
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff, Michel Temer.
United Kingdom: Benjamin Disraeli. (Some other PMs, including David Cameron and Boris Johnson, have had partial and distant Jewish ancestry).
Australia: Anthony Albanese.

Boris is also paternally Turkish.

sacha
02-07-2024, 05:43 PM
Aren’t they Arab?

They are Alawite. This is where the divisions are here, religions are ethnicities.

Tooting Carmen
02-07-2024, 05:46 PM
Boris is also paternally Turkish.

And part-American too, as was Winston Churchill for that matter.

Kess
02-07-2024, 05:47 PM
They are Alawite. This is where the divisions are here, religions are ethnicities.

No, they are simply not.

kingmob
02-07-2024, 05:49 PM
Erdogan is from this village:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCneysu

Pontic Greek sleeper asset.

sacha
02-07-2024, 05:51 PM
No, they are simply not.

If you consider a Jewish German separate from a completely German German, you consider an Alawite Arab separate from the majority Sunni Arabs, and there are different groups within the Sunni Arabs in Syria as well. It is an ethnoreligion, you can't just say "No you are all Arab, you can't be different." That is craziness.

Kess
02-07-2024, 06:06 PM
Erdogan is from this village:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCneysu

Pontic Greek sleeper asset.

His ancestors alleged to came to settle there from Georgia.

Kess
02-07-2024, 06:10 PM
If you consider a Jewish German separate from a completely German German, you consider an Alawite Arab separate from the majority Sunni Arabs, and there are different groups within the Sunni Arabs in Syria as well. It is an ethnoreligion, you can't just say "No you are all Arab, you can't be different." That is craziness.

Of course, a Jewish German is different than a German because European Jews still have MENA DNA significantly.

How Syrian Alawites are genetically different than Sunni Arabs in Syria? I didn't research about it.

sacha
02-07-2024, 06:45 PM
Of course, a Jewish German is different than a German because European Jews still have MENA DNA significantly.

How Syrian Alawites are genetically different than Sunni Arabs in Syria? I didn't research about it.

I don't really feel like sitting down to explain this in-depth, but 'Arab' is not a genetic identification as it is used today, unless you want to strictly refer to those of the Gulf. In Arab countries, ethno-religious groupings are ethnic groupings that also have a religious aspect to them, because of the lack of intermarriage between different groups in the past. Alawites are closer to Lebanese & Druze than the Syrian average, and to the Jewish of the Caucuses and Iraq/Iran over the Iraqi average.

Ethnicity isn't just genetic, though. Alawites have a different background as a distinct group with a distinct culture & identity, and most significantly are considered & acknowledged as different. Religion is tied to identity is tied to culture is tied to genetics. In some places, one is more important than another. I don't think there is a way to 'disagree' or 'agree' with this— ethno-religions = ethnicity because of these factors. It is different in other places of course, I don't deny this, but there is no universal way to define this term.