Davidski G25 Standard model

[Annihilus]

repost but anyway


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246


Target: annihilus
Distance: 2.1285% / 0.02128496
41.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.4 Levant_PPNB
1.0 WHG

[Laredo]

Is this a new calculator? Ahh nvm.

Target: Laredo_scaled
Distance: 2.5338% / 0.02533768
37.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.4 WHG
4.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 Gambian
1.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.6 Han
0.6 Yoruba
0.4 Jarawa

[vader]

Target: AncestryDNAandMe_scaled
Distance: 4.2352% / 0.04235246
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 Dinka


Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.8664% / 0.03866359
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 WHG
5.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 Dinka

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.7159% / 0.03715887
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
6.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Fiancee_scaled
Distance: 2.1568% / 0.02156789
49.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 WHG
2.0 Yoruba
1.8 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 ETH_4500BP
1.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: portuguese-argentine
Distance: 2.4388% / 0.02438845
40.4 TUR_Barcin_N
24.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
21.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 WHG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.0 Dinka
0.4 Gambian
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

- thought it was interesting how a combination of me and my fiancee makes a genome that is closest to yamnaya


Distance to: portuguese-argentine
0.21947707 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.23179018 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.23877214 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.25355773 TUR_Barcin_N
0.26512661 Levant_PPNB
0.31901733 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.33617807 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.37777014 Jarawa
0.39727473 WHG
0.43444854 MAR_Taforalt
0.50380420 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.52018749 Han
0.52663086 Nganassan
0.61964261 ETH_4500BP
0.68101826 Dinka
0.69763928 Gambian
0.72334716 Yoruba

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.5207% / 0.03520713
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt

My result with FTDNA's coordinates with Ancestry's gives exactly the same results, just a couple of tenths in some value. Gallop xd son you are from Spain, more Spaniard and you are not born.

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.4030% / 0.03403022
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
4.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Gambian
0.2 Yoruba

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 3.2714% / 0.03271377
54.0 TUR_Barcin_N
26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
5.8 MAR_Taforalt

[Melkiirs]

Target: Milkaner_AncestryDNA
Distance: 4.3714% / 0.04371379
50.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
38.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 WHG
2.0 TUR_Barcin_N
1.6 Han
0.6 Levant_PPNB

Target: MilkanerDad_AncestryDNA
Distance: 3.0286% / 0.03028636
56.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 Levant_PPNB
3.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 Han
2.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 Gambian

Interesting that my Han is exactly half of that of my father here suggesting it is negligible for my maternal side.

[Gallop]

Is this a new calculator? Ahh nvm.

Target: Laredo_scaled
Distance: 2.5338% / 0.02533768
37.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.4 WHG
4.2 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 Gambian
1.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.6 Han
0.6 Yoruba
0.4 Jarawa

Why would you have been reduced in America by the WHG and not the Tarofalt? The value of Tarofalt nailed, it is as if the algorithm assigned it to the Iberians by default.

[Eurafricanid]

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.8146% / 0.02814601
35.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.4 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

[Feiichy]

Target: Feiichy_scaled_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.0999% / 0.05099873

44.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
12.6 WHG

Target: Feiichy_scaled_AncestryDNA
Distance: 4.4521% / 0.04452139

43.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
43.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG

[majevica]

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 4.8303% / 0.04830259
46.6 TUR_Barcin_N
42.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 WHG
0.2 Han

[Laredo]

Why would you have been reduced in America by the WHG and not the Tarofalt? The value of Tarofalt nailed, it is as if the algorithm assigned it to the Iberians by default.

Have no Idea dude neither what you mean, Keep In mind I'm not very knowledgeable when It comes to this, just posted my coords and that's It.

Mind to collaborate so I can understand what you mean?

[Feiichy]

Target: Stears_scaled(Hungarian)
Distance: 3.9254% / 0.03925438

49.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 WHG
1.8 Han
1.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

[vader]

Why would you have been reduced in America by the WHG and not the Tarofalt? The value of Tarofalt nailed, it is as if the algorithm assigned it to the Iberians by default.

his iberian can be more western aka has higher taforalt, or canarian. And/or I think some of his SSA is being absorbed by Taforalt... as it has a combination of west eurasian dna + some sort of sub-sahran-like dna. I think it's probably the latter.

[JerryS.]

Let me know when someone makes a model with modern individuals.

[Laredo]

his iberian can be more western aka has higher taforalt, or canarian. And/or I think some of his SSA is being absorbed by Taforalt... as it has a combination of west eurasian dna + some sort of sub-sahran-like dna. I think it's probably the latter.

HelloGuys previously said my Spanish Is very Central /Northern while he's is more Southern, But I do also have some North African or Jew.

[vader]

HelloGuys previously said my Spanish Is very Central /Northern while he's is more Southern, But I do also have some North African or Jew.

Yes I believe your iberian is probably from a denser population in the north somewhere. This is quite common for latin americans. Specifically, Mexicans have lots of ancestry from a mix of Castillians, Extramadurans, Catalans, and Basques. However, also lots of andalusians. Most andalusians arent very different from northerners after repopulation anyway. Do you have any iberian regions on commercial tests by any chance?

There is no exact answer to Gallop's question. But imo, I think its a mixture of things. First thing, your taforalt on your iberian side is probably about anywhere from 1-4%, who knows. Second, you're colonial mexican so maybe slightly higher moor from way back then + sephardi, but that isn't gonna do much to it. And lastly, I think there is some problems with G25 deciphering SSA vs taforalt sometimes bc taforalt has a significant SSA-like affinity

[Laredo]

Yes I believe your iberian is probably from a denser population in the north somewhere. This is quite common for latin americans. Specifically, Mexicans have lots of ancestry from a mix of Castillians, Extramadurans, Catalans, and Basques. However, also lots of andalusians. Most andalusians arent very different from northerners after repopulation anyway. Do you have any iberian regions on commercial tests by any chance?

There is no exact answer to Gallop's question. But imo, I think its a mixture of things. First thing, your taforalt on your iberian side is probably about anywhere from 1-4%, who knows. Second, you're colonial mexican so maybe slightly higher moor from way back then + sephardi, but that isn't gonna do much to it. And lastly, I think there is some problems with G25 deciphering SSA vs taforalt sometimes bc taforalt has a significant SSA-like affinity

On both test I scored high Basque.

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/F23X0XRb1Zuk.jpg?o=1

[HelloGuys]

Yes I believe your iberian is probably from a denser population in the north somewhere. This is quite common for latin americans. Specifically, Mexicans have lots of ancestry from a mix of Castillians, Extramadurans, Catalans, and Basques. However, also lots of andalusians. Most andalusians arent very different from northerners after repopulation anyway. Do you have any iberian regions on commercial tests by any chance?

There is no exact answer to Gallop's question. But imo, I think its a mixture of things. First thing, your taforalt on your iberian side is probably about anywhere from 1-4%, who knows. Second, you're colonial mexican so maybe slightly higher moor from way back then + sephardi, but that isn't gonna do much to it. And lastly, I think there is some problems with G25 deciphering SSA vs taforalt sometimes bc taforalt has a significant SSA-like affinity

There was almost zero Catalan migration to México, they are almost anecdotal, Basques arrived but not many (But more than catalans) there are hardly any historical records of both. Especially for Catalans.

[HelloGuys]

HelloGuys previously said my Spanish Is very Central /Northern while he's is more Southern, But I do also have some North African or Jew.

I just said you score Castilla La Mancha + Extremadura (Almost half and half) in my admixture model, and I scored Extremadura + Southwestern Spain.

[Laredo]

I just said you score Castilla La Mancha + Extremadura (Almost half and half) in my admixture model, and I scored Extremadura + Southwestern Spain.

Why the slightly difference? If we both shared blood from Jalisco and surrounding?. Does that mean you have more Spanish ancestors from the south?

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 6.2392% / 0.06239206
52.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.2 TUR_Barcin_N
17.6 WHG

Target: Katarzyna_MH
Distance: 5.8960% / 0.05895964
55.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
16.2 WHG
0.2 Han

[cmt160]

It isn't accurate when used with my scaled IllustrativeDNA coordinates (made with raw data)

See:

Target: cmt160_scaled
Distance: 3.7342% / 0.03734163
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 TUR_Barcin_N
11.6 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Gambian



But when I run this calc DIRECTLY with my raw data (with this tool https://www.exploreyourdna.com/rawtosimg25.aspx ) I get a very accurate result, stereotypical spanish, nothing "off".

See:

Yours results on Davidski G25 Standard model :

TUR_Barcin_N: 54.35 %
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara: 31.21 %
WHG: 9.61 %
MAR_Taforalt: 4.28 %
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N: 0.56 %


When I upload the simulated coords made directly with the raw data through that tool (which i guess uses a similar algorithm to IllustrativeDNA, unless the coords in illustrativeDNA are manually created/"curated" [which I have no information about and I seriously doubt it]) to davidski calculator on vahaduo itself I get similar results to the ones made directly with the raw data (the raw data ones are more accurate cuz it has two decimal columns rather than only one, that is all the difference actually it seems)

Target: cmt160_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4696% / 0.02469626
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 WHG
4.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N



I removed the tepecik reference and i got this with illustrativedna coords:

Target: cmt160_scaled
Distance: 3.9153% / 0.03915272
50.0 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
6.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Dinka

Kura araxes and ssa showing, the SSA being "noise"/miscall. Probably the "kura araxes" being too, since it doesn't show with the coords made with the rawdata-to-sim coords (when tepecik is removed, and kura araxes still there in the "source"/reference, meaning it should pop up)

See:

Target: cmt160_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4700% / 0.02469976
54.8 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 WHG
4.4 MAR_Taforalt




Latest calculation I guess is the most accurate. Stereotypically spanish.
125877

[HelloGuys]

Why the slightly difference? If we both shared blood from Jalisco and surrounding?. Does that mean you have more Spanish ancestors from the south?

I had already told you that I have more MENA/MENA shifted (Especially Levantine/Middle East component) than you.

[cmt160]

Proof that IllustrativeDNA coords aren't the most accurate like some people believe. They also generated a similar error with a certain calc that didn't happen with any other coords of mine.

[HelloGuys]

Proof that IllustrativeDNA coords aren't the most accurate like some people believe. They also generated a similar error with a certain calc that didn't happen with any other coords of mine.

Davidski (G25 creator) is associated with them, so the IllustrativeDNA give your original/real coordinates.

It's always better to use the originals than fake ones.

[sacha]

Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 3.7909% / 0.03790890
34.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
29.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
28.6 Levant_PPNB
6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.08305913 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.11937258 Levant_PPNB
0.12123139 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.12949921 TUR_Barcin_N
0.26931783 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.28074268 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.38616997 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.43400344 MAR_Taforalt
0.47381042 WHG
0.47827060 Jarawa
0.62860156 Han
0.64044323 Nganassan
0.65434101 ETH_4500BP
0.69986875 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.71221515 Dinka
0.72719411 Gambian
0.75395266 Yoruba

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 2.3166% / 0.02316556
50.8 TUR_Barcin_N
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 WHG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt

[cmt160]

Basically iberian if not for the minimally decreased ANF and increased Steppe (which would still be in the iberian range theoretically lol. cuz the 5~% neolithic, 3~% steppe, 1~% WHG and single digit IBM)

Ario-berian I'd say :eek:

[cmt160]

Davidski (G25 creator) is associated with them, so the IllustrativeDNA give your original/real coordinates.

It's always better to use the originals than fake ones.

In this case theyre obviously wrong lol. "Fake" yet far more accurate and giving more convincing result than illustrative in both this calc and another peculiar one I have saved.

My farmer admixture is literally not TEPECIK lol this is needless to say and ur delusional if u believe so. I understand the eastern shift I got (I do have it. I'm shifted towards east med in the direction towards north italy) and its caused by CHG+the bit of Iran_N I have, which blended with my Barcin (because Barcin is the only actual type of anatolian farmer dna i have, just like any other iberian or even any italian for that matter and i dont have any recent italian admixture at all) gets read as "Tepecik". If anything the penultimate calculation made with my IllustrativeDNA coords would be the legit one (after removing the Tepecik reference, and having the CHG counted as "kura araxes" showing).

Yeah IllustrativeDNA is legit for the breakdown it gives you (hg&farmer) plus all the other calculations and fits within the app mostly. And maybe the coords themselves too. But in my case they don't work well when x component is added meaning I have to manually edit the calculators to get the most accurate result.

[Abdelnour]

Distance to: Scaled
0.10403566 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.10722016 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.12742781 Levant_PPNB
0.14649049 TUR_Barcin_N
0.24323823 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.25841136 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.36133782 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.42073515 MAR_Taforalt
0.45171342 Jarawa
0.46119280 WHG
0.60763667 Han
0.62484908 Nganassan
0.63710404 ETH_4500BP
0.68339941 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.69568191 Dinka
0.71231985 Gambian
0.73914479 Yoruba


Target: Scaled
Distance: 1.8469% / 0.01846872
42.2 Levant_PPNB
16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
10.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: Scaled
Distance: 1.8540% / 0.01853983 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.0 Levant_PPNB
18.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
9.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

[cass]

Target: cass
Distance: 5.2021% / 0.05202093
49.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.6 TUR_Barcin_N
16.0 WHG

[Eurafricanid]

Why would you have been reduced in America by the WHG and not the Tarofalt? The value of Tarofalt nailed, it is as if the algorithm assigned it to the Iberians by default.

Interesting you say that 'cause I have 0% Taforalt.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.9673% / 0.01967323
42.0 Yoruba
20.2 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 Gambian
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

[vader]

Interesting you say that 'cause I have 0% Taforalt.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.9673% / 0.01967323
42.0 Yoruba
20.2 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG
3.2 ETH_4500BP
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 Gambian
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

is your iberian ancestry Portuguese?

That's definitely interesting. It's probably some sort of overfitting going on since you have legitimate significant sub saharan dna. I know Tepecik has a slightly higher affinity to ssa compared to barcin but nothing significant enough to care.

[Eurafricanid]

It isn't accurate when used with my scaled IllustrativeDNA coordinates (made with raw data)

See:

Target: cmt160_scaled
Distance: 3.7342% / 0.03734163
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 TUR_Barcin_N
11.6 WHG
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Gambian



But when I run this calc DIRECTLY with my raw data (with this tool https://www.exploreyourdna.com/rawtosimg25.aspx ) I get a very accurate result, stereotypical spanish, nothing "off".

See:

Yours results on Davidski G25 Standard model :

TUR_Barcin_N: 54.35 %
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara: 31.21 %
WHG: 9.61 %
MAR_Taforalt: 4.28 %
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N: 0.56 %


When I upload the simulated coords made directly with the raw data through that tool (which i guess uses a similar algorithm to IllustrativeDNA, unless the coords in illustrativeDNA are manually created/"curated" [which I have no information about and I seriously doubt it]) to davidski calculator on vahaduo itself I get similar results to the ones made directly with the raw data (the raw data ones are more accurate cuz it has two decimal columns rather than only one, that is all the difference actually it seems)

Target: cmt160_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4696% / 0.02469626
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 WHG
4.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N



I removed the tepecik reference and i got this with illustrativedna coords:

Target: cmt160_scaled
Distance: 3.9153% / 0.03915272
50.0 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
6.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Dinka

Kura araxes and ssa showing, the SSA being "noise"/miscall. Probably the "kura araxes" being too, since it doesn't show with the coords made with the rawdata-to-sim coords (when tepecik is removed, and kura araxes still there in the "source"/reference, meaning it should pop up)

See:

Target: cmt160_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4700% / 0.02469976
54.8 TUR_Barcin_N
31.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 WHG
4.4 MAR_Taforalt




Latest calculation I guess is the most accurate. Stereotypically spanish.
125877

Mine get a bit weird with this RAW DATA Simulation:

Yours results on Davidski G25 Standard model :

Gambian: 38.07 %
TUR_Barcin_N: 29.69 %
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara: 14.11 %
Yoruba: 6.30 %
WHG: 5.36 %
ETH_4500BP: 3.71 %
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP: 1.86 %
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728: 0.55 %
Han: 0.35 %
MAR_Taforalt: 0.01 %


They kind of show too much Gambian but the overall results look ok and the Taforalt looks very consistent, but the SSA makeup looks off and unrealistic, the overall results look sightly different, although similar.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.2090% / 0.01208973 | R5P
46.5 Igbo
25.1 French_Bearn
19.5 Spanish_Menorca
6.3 EmiratiB
2.6 Surui

Target: Eurafricanid_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6009% / 0.00600927 | R5P
45.0 Spanish_Aragon
32.8 Igbo
13.2 Bantu_S.E.
6.1 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
2.9 Bolivian_Pando

[Mixdguy17]

Target: Mixdguy17_scaled
Distance: 2.7623% / 0.02762266
32.6 TUR_Barcin_N
23.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
8.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.8 WHG
5.4 MAR_Taforalt
3.6 Gambian
3.6 Yoruba
2.8 Dinka
1.8 Han

[HelloGuys]

In this case theyre obviously wrong lol. "Fake" yet far more accurate and giving more convincing result than illustrative in both this calc and another peculiar one I have saved.

My farmer admixture is literally not TEPECIK lol this is needless to say and ur delusional if u believe so. I understand the eastern shift I got (I do have it. I'm shifted towards east med in the direction towards north italy) and its caused by CHG+the bit of Iran_N I have, which blended with my Barcin (because Barcin is the only actual type of anatolian farmer dna i have, just like any other iberian or even any italian for that matter and i dont have any recent italian admixture at all) gets read as "Tepecik". If anything the penultimate calculation made with my IllustrativeDNA coords would be the legit one (after removing the Tepecik reference, and having the CHG counted as "kura araxes" showing).

Yeah IllustrativeDNA is legit for the breakdown it gives you (hg&farmer) plus all the other calculations and fits within the app mostly. And maybe the coords themselves too. But in my case they don't work well when x component is added meaning I have to manually edit the calculators to get the most accurate result.

That's the reason you have to make your own models (Taking care you don't overfitting or underfitting).

Not even Davidski uses his own calculator (This one) because was made for everyone and not specifically for each person's individual ancestry.

[Eurafricanid]

is your iberian ancestry Portuguese?

That's definitely interesting. It's probably some sort of overfitting going on since you have legitimate significant sub saharan dna. I know Tepecik has a slightly higher affinity to ssa compared to barcin but nothing significant enough to care.

I don't think so, because Yoruba isn't an extemely North African-rich population itself to suck up much that much of the Taforalt. And even If I put SSA populations with even less NA affinity (0 or close to 0), like Mbuti and Nyaneka (South Angola) into the mix, the Talforalt is still not showing up.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.6547% / 0.01654734
32.2 Yoruba
18.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 Nyaneka
13.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.4 WHG
2.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.0 Mbuti
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728


It's only when I take out the Yoruba completely that 1% Taforalt appears. Not using the Yoruba is wrong in this case, since my black family's state recieved a lot of West African slaves, especially Yoruba.

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 2.5618% / 0.02561804
46.8 Nyaneka
19.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG
2.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.0 MAR_Taforalt

"Por ser a Bahia mais próxima da Costa da Guiné (África Ocidental) do que de Angola, a maioria dos negros baianos são Minas."
Translation: "Because Bahia was closer to the Guinean Coast (West Africa) than to Angola, the majority of the black people from Bahia are Minas"

Mina (along with sudanese, sometimes) was the name west african slaves recieved in Brazil, comming from Nigeria, Ghana and that area.


Tepecik doesn't seem to have that affinity to SSA, it has a significant Natufian and Caucasus affinity, though.

Target: TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
Distance: 1.8855% / 0.01885526
64.6 TUR_Barcin_N
18.2 Levant_PPNB
17.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7422% / 0.03742166
54.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5801% / 0.03580141
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7789% / 0.04778899
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.7862% / 0.03786198
57.0 TUR_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 WHG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

Edit:Changed enana´s results because she has 2 different set of coordinates.

[HelloGuys]

Target: HelloGuys_scaled
Distance: 2.7075% / 0.02707486
35.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 WHG
5.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 Yoruba

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183177 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.20994545 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.21790130 TUR_Barcin_N
0.26144270 Levant_PPNB
0.33215023 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.33306373 WHG
0.38540696 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.46495157 Jarawa
0.48349269 MAR_Taforalt
0.61751779 Han
0.61816062 Nganassan
0.66704718 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67753663 ETH_4500BP
0.73679247 Dinka
0.75178874 Gambian
0.77737849 Yoruba

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.4104% / 0.05410361
50.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG

[Mixdguy17]

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.8146% / 0.02814601
35.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.4 WHG
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

What is this component?

[HelloGuys]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7422% / 0.03742166
54.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5801% / 0.03580141
58.0 TUR_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7789% / 0.04778899
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.7862% / 0.03786198
57.0 TUR_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 WHG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

Edit:Changed enana´s results because she has 2 different set of coordinates.

Wow what a low taforalt she scored! Even less than your mom who is full basque from Álava; so what is the background of your child if I can know bro?

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1367% / 0.02136749
42.0 Yoruba
24.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
4.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

[Laredo]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.1367% / 0.02136749
42.0 Yoruba
24.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
4.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.2 ETH_4500BP
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

The calculator match pretty much with that you been scoring.

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.6395% / 0.07639455
53.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 TUR_Barcin_N
16.4 WHG

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.8309% / 0.05830947
44.8 TUR_Barcin_N
42.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 WHG
2.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.2 Han

[Rafael Passoni]

Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 2.6412% / 0.02641233
63.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 WHG
1.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

[paradox]

Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 3.0547% / 0.03054686
48.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
35.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 TUR_Barcin_N
3.4 WHG
1.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.4 Han
0.4 Levant_PPNB

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 4.4854% / 0.04485394
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.6 TUR_Barcin_N
25.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.4 WHG

[Wend-Kruzek]

Target: Kruzek_scaled :)
Distance: 5.4540% / 0.05454045
49.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG

[rothaer]

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 4.3841% / 0.04384142
48.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 TUR_Barcin_N
16.8 WHG

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 4.7262% / 0.04726217
51.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
32.0 TUR_Barcin_N
16.8 WHG

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9138% / 0.03913813
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.6 Dinka
0.6 Yoruba

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.8668% / 0.03866816
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
7.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 Gambian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.8300% / 0.03829979
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 Dinka

[Kiel]

Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 3.7115% / 0.03711519
44.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.6 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 WHG
3.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

[Gergő Marosvári]

Target: Gergő
Distance: 3.7729% / 0.03772871
50.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 WHG
1.4 Han
0.8 Levant_PPNB

[gixajo]

Wow what a low taforalt she scored! Even less than your mom who is full basque from Álava; so what is the background of your child if I can know bro?

25% Andalusian from Jaén, 25% Basque Country from Álava province (as I am)+ 50% Basque mostly from Biscay province (but as far as I know 1/4 of this is also from Álava province).

[Julkka]

Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 5.7764% / 0.05776392
49.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
22.4 WHG
20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 Nganassan
0.6 Han

[HelloGuys]

25% Andalusian from Jaén, 25% Basque Country from Álava province (as I am)+ 50% Basque mostly from Biscay province (but as far as I know 1/4 of this is also from Álava province).

Ah I understand now, that 50% of Vizcaya is that made her more "Basque" and therefore with less MENA.

Thanks bro!

[hazmatnik]

With coordinates based on my WGS test im getting very high Ciftlik

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 5.8200% / 0.05819976
37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.0 TUR_Barcin_N
9.6 WHG

With MH based coordinates im more in line with my family

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 5.8597% / 0.05859693
37.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.6 TUR_Barcin_N
24.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
8.8 WHG

[Nausevar]

Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 4.3426% / 0.04342619
48.0 TUR_Barcin_N
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.8 WHG
3.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 Han

[Far_away]

Distance: 3.7614% / 0.03761427
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 WHG

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 4.0115% / 0.04011473
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 Yoruba

[Annihilus]

Target: annihilus
Distance: 2.1285% / 0.02128496
41.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.4 Levant_PPNB
1.0 WHG

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 2.1227% / 0.02122693
31.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.8 Levant_PPNB
1.8 Han
1.6 WHG
1.2 Nganassan

[R1BVLL]

Target: R1BVLL_scaled
Distance: 4.8812% / 0.04881160
58.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
27.4 TUR_Barcin_N
14.6 WHG

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.7463% / 0.05746277
46.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.2 TUR_Barcin_N
12.8 WHG

[R1b-L51]

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.6837% / 0.03683710
48.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
4.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.2 Yoruba

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.13812982 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.15202221 TUR_Barcin_N
0.18016349 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.19282154 Levant_PPNB
0.21007025 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.31556427 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.35734357 WHG
0.37984641 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.43288119 MAR_Taforalt
0.45245917 Jarawa
0.60938874 Han
0.61994936 Nganassan
0.64354193 ETH_4500BP
0.67269570 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.70376058 Dinka
0.71719322 Gambian
0.74384197 Yoruba

[Mrozek231]

Distance to: Mrozek231
0.13886050 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.22923475 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.23769948 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.25044858 TUR_Barcin_N
0.28580808 Levant_PPNB
0.31622707 WHG
0.33677050 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.38618572 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.45987459 Jarawa
0.49506377 MAR_Taforalt
0.60774982 Nganassan
0.60920531 Han
0.65815812 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67851204 ETH_4500BP
0.73859613 Dinka
0.75291658 Gambian
0.77814265 Yoruba

Target: Mrozek231
Distance: 6.4580% / 0.06458023
55.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
27.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.2 WHG