Compare and contrast Poles from ... Northern Poland and Southern Poland!

[Roy]

I'm copy-pasting some stuff from my threads from 2020 with some minor changes and in one thread.

What phenotypes do you see as quite abundant in one group and the other one?





IMHO, the phenotypical difference is quite striking if being directly compared with Poles from the far south (this thread ----> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324867-Classify-amp-place-these-young-Southern-Poles-(Ma%26%23322%3Bopolskie-Lesser-Poland)-corrected) or Upper (this thread ---> or Lower Silesia.

It's not some LARGE difference but there's some clearly.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Elblag_Mapa.PNG


They are supposed to be and are already noticeably lighter according to my eye test + anthropological written sources (predominantly light eyes and with blond hair colour being abundant), and mostly lacking Dinarisation that is typical or maybe at least not unusual at all to find in some parts of Poland in the south. Many of them would blend in as some Scandinavians methinks, albeit they as a whole look like Slavs, which they clearly are. Different faces 'repeat' here than let's say in Łódź or Wrocław, or in Myślenice / Limanowa / Nowy Sącz / Kraków (Southern Poland). It together underpins my view that Poland is much less homogenous as a country that it is commonly believed (meaning that there are some noticeable regional differences despite all population swaps after the II World War).

Elbląg is located 684 kilometres north from Zakopane (one of the most populous Polish towns in Carpathians). Zakopane in Southern Poland is actually closer to Subotica (Serbia) or Osijek in Croatia, or to Romania than to some localities in Northern bits of my country.

Mostly HS students from Elbląg are in these photos.


The city is our mythical port that has never quite regained the desired status. :D In this area used to roam Viking people in the Middle Ages. Not sure whether they left enough progeny that mixed with local Balts and Slavs to enrich the gene pool or is the higher incidence of blondism just due to different reasons/selection pressures across centuries.



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+ Teachers from Elbląg

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Soon to be followed by Poles from the area that is very close to Slovakia but not necessarily Góral people from the Carpathian mountains like from Podhale or Spisz region. There's a limit on the number of photos for one post/thread so this is necessary I think.

[Roy]

And these people are from the voivodeship called Małopolskie also known as Lesser Poland voivodeship, mostly from the southern half + Kraków. Some of them are Górals, but many are not. The darkest Polish region possibly altogether in terms of pigmentation. There is some type of vibe and facial features that is scarcely found elsewhere among Poles. This place is also known for some localities with very poor air quality in heating season but I'm not sure whether it does affect the appearance of the people to any significant degree.

It has a very high population density (225 people per square kilometre), 2nd highest after Upper Silesian voivodeship to the west, population-wise it is 4th per 16 voivodeships, whereas in size it is only 12th. It borders with one country - Slovakia to the south.

It's inhabited by 3.4M people. Smaller than Slovenia but with more inhabitants. And I think people from Lesser Poland (as well as Upper Silesia to the west) overlap the most with Slovenes from Poles but obviously they as a whole look more like other Poles and Slovaks etc.


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[Katarzyna]

Greetings from a dark Pole :love0033:

[Roy]

Greetings from a dark Pole :love0033:

I'm rather dark too. My eyes and hair are both brown. But somehow no one among my 8 great-grandparents had eyes as dark as mine. My eyes are brown, my mum has hazel eyes but otherwise most of my relatives and ancestors that I know of had green/blue/green eyes.

It's not common for a Polish person to be ''dark'' but more common that sceptics assume. :cool: According to some stereotypes Poles have the same pigmentation as Swedish people which makes me lol whenever I encounter such an ignoramus.

[Oliver109]

Fairly minor differences, they all look Polish though the northern ones i would say are more baltid, uralid and some CM while the southern ones are more pontid, gorid and dinarid. Northern Poles seem quite a bit less blonde than northern Germans or Danes.

[Roy]

Fairly minor differences, they all look Polish though the northern ones i would say are more baltid, uralid and some CM while the southern ones are more pontid, gorid and dinarid. Northern Poles seem quite a bit less blonde than northern Germans or Danes.

Yes. Even Poles from the north are not super blond but still they're blonder and with more red hair than average for Poland or ethnic Poles (not by much though).

But in sets of Poles from the south you can also spot some redheads!

[Oliver109]

Yes. Even Poles from the north are not super blond but still they're blonder and with more red hair than average for Poland or ethnic Poles (not by much though).

But in sets of Poles from the south you can also spot some redheads!

Southern Poles seem darker than many of the Hungarian groups that have been posted though which i find interesting.

[Roy]

Southern Poles seem darker than many of the Hungarian groups that have been posted though which i find interesting.

This is intriguing indeed! And there's even a town to the east - Sanok where one can find even darker groups of people btw.

[Katarzyna]

I'm rather dark too. My eyes and hair are both brown. But somehow no one among my 8 great-grandparents had eyes as dark as mine. My eyes are brown, my mum has hazel eyes but otherwise most of my relatives and ancestors that I know of had green/blue/green eyes.

It's not common for a Polish person to be ''dark'' but more common that sceptics assume. :cool: According to some stereotypes Poles have the same pigmentation as Swedish people which makes me lol whenever I encounter such an ignoramus.

That’s interesting. According to my experience the average pole has a more central (eastern) euro look. Similar to Slovaks and western Ukrainian. But that’s maybe because I come from a former German territory where almost the whole population had been replaced and refilled with dark southern poles from nowaday’s Ukraine.
Especially the girls are alpine and Gorid as fuck

[Roy]

That’s interesting. According to my experience the average pole has a more central (eastern) euro look. Similar to Slovaks and western Ukrainian. But that’s maybe because I come from a former German territory where almost the whole population had been replaced and refilled with dark southern poles from nowaday’s Ukraine.
Especially the girls are alpine and Gorid as fuck

I was born in Lower Silesia but it's actually a myth that everyone here has grandparents from western Ukraine. Some have, some don't.

[Oliver109]

This is intriguing indeed! And there's even a town to the east - Sanok where one can find even darker groups of people btw.

I would say also that there is very little CM in Poland, you see more conventional British looks in the Balkans.

[Katarzyna]

I was born in Lower Silesia but it's actually a myth that everyone here has grandparents from western Ukraine. Some have, some don't.

That’s true but how comes so many Poles (especially females) are alpine ? Our neighbours in the north east don’t look like us. Lithuania has mainly corded, some very archaic Nordids, Belarus has mainly neo Danubian phenotype + some other very gracile Balto Nordids.

[Roy]

Southern Poles seem darker than many of the Hungarian groups that have been posted though which i find interesting.

Btw, I added more photos for Southern Poles, new photos are on the top - first three now are the new ones.

[Oliver109]

Btw, I added more photos for Southern Poles, new photos are on the top - first three now are the new ones.

Very gracile looks generally, Poland i think has more in common with proper east Euro countries but with less extreme slavic looks i.e uralic dominance or strong mongol influence.

[Katarzyna]

Very gracile looks generally, Poland i think has more in common with proper east Euro countries but with less extreme slavic looks i.e uralic dominance or strong mongol influence.


Yes I agree that many of us (especially women) are extremely gracile looking. But not in the mongolid or east Baltid sense but we are looking completely white. But somehow reduced in features. But then on the other hand. There are also a lot of Celto-Germanic countries with gracile baby faces , just think of Walloon, Bretons, Swiss etc

[Roy]

Very gracile looks generally, Poland i think has more in common with proper east Euro countries but with less extreme slavic looks i.e uralic dominance or strong mongol influence.


Poles are very rarely uralic looking, flat-out uralid phenotype is actually less common than in Hungary. And Poles are almost never ''Mongol looking''. And btw. most Poles score 0.0% chink on DNA tests unlike for instance a lot of Ukrainian people.

[Tooting Carmen]

The stereotypical potato-faced Baltids seem to be a bit more common among the Northern than Southern Poles, but still more Norid and Gracile elements dominate among both and as groups they look strikingly different to Ukrainians and Russians.

[Roy]

I would say also that there is very little CM in Poland, you see more conventional British looks in the Balkans.

I think the girl on the left in this photo and the one on the right would pass well as some kind of English actually. The one on the left looks like ... Emma Bunton to me at least in this one particular photo she does. I mean Emma in the late 90s. It's a type of ''baby face'' that does not look particularly Slavic.

https://i.ibb.co/r54C4D4/strazaczki.jpg

[Roy]

The stereotypical potato-faced Baltids seem to be a bit more common among the Northern than Southern Poles, but still more Norid and Gracile elements dominate among both and as groups they look strikingly different to Ukrainians and Russians.

Thank you.

[PeterSlavic]

Woman from north Poland and wider like The Balts in this film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YmM_n3JMdQ&list=WL&index=11

Polish higlander tipical from south Poland and wider Centra Europe and south Europe Balkan penisula

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So in the north of Poland we have higher, lighter Poles, representing diferent north European types like this woman on short- movie: aiste-nordid, baltid, halsstad phenotype e.t.c.

In the south of Poland we have the same types lika in the north but more often we can see like on this photo dinarid and alpinid phenotype.
Also we have in Poland many exemples or south european phenotype because for many ages they live in Poland orientalid, armenoidal or other south phenotype related to polish Jews and Armenian.
Also The preslavic phenotype is common in Poland. This type is neither a southern nor southern.

In conclusion we cant say than typical Poles are dark or light caucasoid, rather we Poles wider Slavs are someone in the middle!

[Sorab12]

Great thread and nice looking people .
They remind me somewhat like these Serbs
https://iili.io/Jap2WfS.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/Jap2wJe.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/Jap2OOb.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JapF4Ag.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

There is no discernible difference in my opinion, as someone who has lived in Trojmiasto and travelled all over the country. It should be noted that my interest in phenotypes in real-life settings is almost zero. Even when I was in Lithuania or Slovakia, people weren't particularly different. They might look "super different" for nitpicking anthrotards but that's the impression I got.

[Victor]

There is no discernible difference in my opinion, as someone who has lived in Trojmiasto and travelled all over the country. It should be noted that my interest in phenotypes in real-life settings is almost zero. Even when I was in Lithuania or Slovakia, people weren't particularly different. They might look "super different" for nitpicking anthrotards but that's the impression I got.

People in Lithuania and Slovakia are significantly different.

[PeterSlavic]

Great thread and nice looking people .
They remind me somewhat like these Serbs
https://iili.io/Jap2WfS.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

Man i see the same what I see in Poland the same faces, the same eyes...we are Slavic in simply! for south (Macedonia) to north (Russia) and from west (Slovenia) to east (Russia)
Look, polish scout troop from south Poland:

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Photos from http://www.zhp.miechow.pl

[Oliver109]

Man i see the same what I see in Poland the same faces, the same eyes...we are Slavic in simply! for south (Macedonia) to north (Russia) and from west (Slovenia) to east (Russia)
Look, polish scout troop from south Poland:

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Photos from http://www.zhp.miechow.pl

The Serbs seem to have longer faced and a less distinctive nose shape, polish people have quite a distinctive prominent nose.

[Lioncourt]

Man i see the same what I see in Poland the same faces, the same eyes...we are Slavic in simply! for south (Macedonia) to north (Russia) and from west (Slovenia) to east (Russia)
Look, polish scout troop from south Poland:

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Macedonians, Poles and Russians look quite different from one another, especially Macedonians from the other two.

[PeterSlavic]

Yes indeed, but if you don't look at these photos carefully, you can see common roots like nothing else!

[Russki]

The stereotypical potato-faced Baltids seem to be a bit more common among the Northern than Southern Poles, but still more Norid and Gracile elements dominate among both and as groups they look strikingly different to Ukrainians and Russians.


These people are far from "strikingly different to Ukrainians".

I hope some adequate Ukrainian member joins and posts pictures of Ukrainian students, sport teams, folk dancers, fire fighters and you can reevaluate your assesment.

Right now we only have "andrzej" who is spamming his collection of pseudo-Turanid Ukrainians.



People in Lithuania and Slovakia are significantly different.


May I ask you how are they significantly different?

Most Lithuanians are inbetween what is colloquially known as "Baltid" and "North Pontid", and it's the same in Slovakia, but slightly less "Baltid".

Btw. The sets of pictures from Northern Poland and Southern Poland work well as proxies for Lithuanians and Slovaks.

[Victor]

These people are far from "strikingly different to Ukrainians".

I hope some adequate Ukrainian member joins and posts pictures of Ukrainian students, sport teams, folk dancers, fire fighters and you can reevaluate your assesment.

Right now we only have "andrzej" who is spamming his collection of pseudo-Turanid Ukrainians.





May I ask you how are they significantly different?

Most Lithuanians are inbetween what is colloquially known as "Baltid" and "North Pontid", and it's the same in Slovakia, but slightly less "Baltid".

Btw. The sets of pictures from Northern Poland and Southern Poland work well as proxies for Lithuanians and Slovaks.

You have a lot of Ukrainan and Balkan-like people in Slovakia you would never see in Lithuania.

You would rarely see such type in Lithuania, but very common in Eastern part of Slovakia

http://sun9-58.userapi.com/c9503/g211092/a_b63a45f2.jpg

[PeterSlavic]

Victor and Russki... If you wear traveling from north slavic nation to the south slavic nation you would see only that dinaric and madiaterranid phenotypes would increase but this typical slavic core (pre-slavic type, aisto-nordic, gracil-nordid and alpinid phenotypes) are everywhere. The same phenomen is in the Poland when you traveling from north to the south of Poland. It,s only my opinion, ofcourse!

[Varda]

@Roy
I imagined northern Poles are blonder than on your photos. There is no much difference in pigmentation between northern and southern Poles from your photos. Bigger difference is in features, northerners are more rounded.

[Victor]

Victor and Russki... If you wear traveling from north slavic nation to the south slavic nation you would see only that dinaric and madiaterranid phenotypes would increase but this typical slavic core (pre-slavic type, aisto-nordic, gracil-nordid and alpinid phenotypes) are everywhere. The same phenomen is in the Poland when you traveling from north to the south of Poland. It,s only my opinion, ofcourse!


Fun fact, Russia has the biggest amount of Dinarics in numbers of all existing nations, that's because we are 140+ mln of course, not of % of population :)

[Victor]

@Roy
I imagined northern Poles are blonder than on your photos. There is no much difference in pigmentation between northern and southern Poles from your photos. Bigger difference is in features, northerners are more rounded.

Eastern Poles by the border with Belorussia are very Eastern Slavic like imo, so it's not about North/South. Also, modern Polish borders are not old. Lots of Poles from Ukraine (especially after massacres and post WWII) resettled from there to Western Poland.

[Varda]

Eastern Poles by the border with Belorussia are very Eastern Slavic like imo, so it's not about North/South. Also, modern Polish borders are not old. Lots of Poles from Ukraine (especially after massacres and post WWII) resettled from there to Western Poland.

I heard that Polish refugees from western Ukraine mostly settled to western Poland which belonged to Germany until 1945. Poles colinized in northern Bosnia by Austria-Hungary in late 19th century were all from western Ukraine. After WW2 most of them moved in some town or city in western Poland. Smaller number of them stayed. In Prnjavor live the highest number of people with Polish, Czech, Ukrainian, Italian etc. roots, today they are mostly assimilatted in natives and mixed with them. It seems im western Poland more numeruos are Poles with roots from western Ukraine than natives, as in Vojvodina today among Serbs are more numeruos descendants of colonists and settlers in 20th century from other regions (mostly Dinaric) than native Serbs.

[Victor]

I heard that Polish refugees from western Ukraine mostly settled to western Poland which belinged to Germany until 1945. Poles colinized in northern Bosnia by Austria-Hungary in late 19th century were all from western Ukraine. After WW2 most of them moved in some town or city in western Poland. Smaller number of them stayed. In Prnjavor live the highest number of people with Polish, Czech, Ukrainian, Italian etc. roots, and today they assimilatted in natives and mixed with them. It seems im western Poland more numeruos are Poles with roots from western Ukraine than natives, as in Vojvodina today among Serbs are more numeruos descendants of colonists and settlers in 20th century from other regions (mostly Dinaric) than native Serbs.

I have the Polish Szlachta noble surname from my ancestor in Poltava region (modern Ukraine), named Demian who was born in 1754 :) My surname nowadays is most presented in Western Poland and region of Poznan.

[Avicenna]

I'm rather dark too. My eyes and hair are both brown. But somehow no one among my 8 great-grandparents had eyes as dark as mine. My eyes are brown, my mum has hazel eyes but otherwise most of my relatives and ancestors that I know of had green/blue/green eyes.

It's not common for a Polish person to be ''dark'' but more common that sceptics assume. :cool: According to some stereotypes Poles have the same pigmentation as Swedish people which makes me lol whenever I encounter such an ignoramus.

How common do you think Jakub Kiwior is?

https://i.ibb.co/gWBBpfq/skysports-kiwior-poland-6030368.jpg (https://ibb.co/8xSSpfv)
upload image (https://imgbb.com/)

[PeterSlavic]

Many Ukrainian arrived to Poland for about a few years. If They dont speaking I can,t see diference at all! apperance between Poles and Ukrainian. We have the same roots and the same apperance in 99% Kiev culture and Zarubinecka culture is the cradel od Slavic tribes on 90% (Today east Poland north Ukraina and south Belarus)

[Victor]

Many Ukrainian arrived to Poland for about a few years. If They dont speaking I can,t see diference at all! apperance between Poles and Ukrainian. We have the same roots and the same apperance in 99% Kiev culture and Zarubinecka culture is the cradel od Slavic tribes on 90% (Today east Poland north Ukraina and south Belarus)

Ukrainians are more swarthy than Poles in general. Western Ukrainians are easily recognizable from Poles. Southern Ukrainians (like my origins) most of times look even alien to Poland.

Ukrainians of Central Ukraine and Volynhia may be similar to your people, like Ukrainian army commander Zaluzhny from Zhytomir.

As for Central Russia, I see more Nordic and North Pontid people there than Baltids, the difference border lays in center of Belorussia, the West was Polish before 1939, the East was Russian before commies added it to Belorussia in early 1920s.

https://regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2022/09/05/regnum_picture_1662361146739217_normal.jpg

[PeterSlavic]

Ukrainians of Central Ukraine and Volynhia may be similar to your people, like Ukrainian army commander Zaluzhny from Zhytomir.

This was where Kiev and erlier Zarubinetska culture exsisted!

[Roy]

Great thread and nice looking people .
They remind me somewhat like these Serbs
https://iili.io/Jap2WfS.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/Jap2wJe.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/Jap2OOb.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JapF4Ag.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

Those Serbs would actually blend in pretty nicely, especially in the south. However ... I noticed that once people hit certain age they started differing more between ethnicities. For instance young Germans look more like young Poles than slightly older Germans do, those actually often stick like sore thumbs in Poland for some reason. But it could be also because Germans take care more about themselves, especially men - I mean for a general difference. But Serbs I already find more familiar looking than Germans from West Germany, especially those from localities close to Benelux look pretty alien to me, I can also tell that from my personal experience as I've been there.

[Your Old Comrade]

So there are North-Pole's and South-Pole's ?

;)

[Roy]

How common do you think Jakub Kiwior is?

https://i.ibb.co/gWBBpfq/skysports-kiwior-poland-6030368.jpg (https://ibb.co/8xSSpfv)
upload image (https://imgbb.com/)

Kiwior is ordinary for Poland, both facial features and his pigmentation is nothing to write home about as in being not common. He's tanned and has dark eyes but it's not Finland where this would be kinda special already other than among Saami people. Somehow you picked the most unflattering photo of Jakub lol. It's a good looking dude.

https://polski-sport.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/shutterstock_2229862787-scaled.webp
https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/f7/c1/63cedd9ea6370_o_medium.jpg

[Avicenna]

Kiwior is ordinary for Poland, both facial features and his pigmentation is nothing to write home about as in being not common. He's tanned and has dark eyes but it's not Finland where this would be kinda special already other than among Saami people. Somehow you picked the most unflattering photo of Jakub lol. It's a good looking dude.

https://polski-sport.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/shutterstock_2229862787-scaled.webp
https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/f7/c1/63cedd9ea6370_o_medium.jpg

So he's not exotic at all? That's really interesting I thought he would be exotic for Poland. Not doing great at Arsenal though :/

[Tooting Carmen]

So he's not exotic at all? That's really interesting I thought he would be exotic for Poland. Not doing great at Arsenal though :/

LOL Poles are not Scandinavians. Tbh I find them no blonder than the British (though still many barely if at all pass here due to their different facial features).

[Victor]

So he's not exotic at all? That's really interesting I thought he would be exotic for Poland. Not doing great at Arsenal though :/

For me, he has some gypsy roots. Any person in Russia or Ukraine would be considered to have such with his look. It's something non-definable, just noticeable.

[Oliver109]

LOL Poles are not Scandinavians. Tbh I find them no blonder than the British (though still many barely if at all pass here due to their different facial features).
The British are a bit blonder, I would say poles are more like Walloons or Bavarians in hair pigmentation.

[PeterSlavic]

The British are a bit blonder.

The British have more red hair and lighter pigmentation than The Poles.

[Scarface F]

They have very soft, round facial traits. Many remind me of British with reduced Brunn traits. Pigmentation is very even, there is lack of very light and very dark people at the same time.

They have a look that is not so familiar to me.

[Katarzyna]

The British are a bit blonder, I would say poles are more like Walloons or Bavarians in hair pigmentation.
Surprisingly that comes very close

[aherne]

Most Northern Poles descend from post WW2 migrants, after the German minority (majority in that area) was expelled. The only groups that are native are the Mazurians and Kashubians

[Sorab12]

Man i see the same what I see in Poland the same faces, the same eyes...we are Slavic in simply! for south (Macedonia) to north (Russia) and from west (Slovenia) to east (Russia)
Look, polish scout troop from south Poland:

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Photos from http://www.zhp.miechow.pl

Here 4 more groups of Serbs that can pass Polish imo judging from Roys pictures.
https://iili.io/JcFkZXe.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JcFv9dQ.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JcFvEpS.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JcFSzxt.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
http://slavanthro.mybb3.ru/viewtopic.php?t=849&start=675

[Roy]

Many Ukrainian arrived to Poland for about a few years. If They dont speaking I can,t see diference at all! apperance between Poles and Ukrainian. We have the same roots and the same apperance in 99% Kiev culture and Zarubinecka culture is the cradel od Slavic tribes on 90% (Today east Poland north Ukraina and south Belarus)

Really? To me quite a significant chunk of Ukrainians look foreign.

[Roy]

You have a lot of Ukrainan and Balkan-like people in Slovakia you would never see in Lithuania.

You would rarely see such type in Lithuania, but very common in Eastern part of Slovakia

http://sun9-58.userapi.com/c9503/g211092/a_b63a45f2.jpg

This Slovak man looks so much like this Pole from the mountains in the south, Sebastian Karpiel-Bułacka, a famous musician in Poland. Wow. I'd not even say that you would rarely see such type among Lithuanians, you'd simply not find them unless this person would have some Polish or other extra ancestry. However Poles from Lithuania are extremely Lithuanian-like genetically and not like ''mainstream Poles'' at all. There are dark Lithuanians or darker people in Lithuania too (even if twice as rare) but they don't look like that in my experience. Sebastian is not typical either, but nothing extraordinary for Southern Poland and in particular in his specific small region.

https://i.ibb.co/Cty6zZP/z29459380-ICR-Sebastian-Karpiel-Bulecka.jpg

[Roy]

I recalled an even more similar looking guy to that Slovak, this former Polish biathlete Wiesław Ziemianin from Zakopane, Sebastian also hails from this town. I think I could confuse him looking like he did at that time for that Slovak if I were to met them.

https://i.iplsc.com/-/000GRE61N6VWWTEH-C325-F4.webp
https://www.mszana.pl/mszana_data/Mistrzostwa%20Polski%202%20.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

This Slovak man looks so much like this Pole from the mountains in the south, Sebastian Karpiel-Bułacka, a famous musician in Poland. Wow. I'd not even say that you would rarely see such type among Lithuanians, you'd simply not find them unless this person would have some Polish or other extra ancestry. However Poles from Lithuania are extremely Lithuanian-like genetically and not like ''mainstream Poles'' at all. There are dark Lithuanians or darker people in Lithuania too (even if twice as rare) but they don't look like that in my experience. Sebastian is not typical either, but nothing extraordinary for Southern Poland and in particular in his specific small region.

https://i.ibb.co/Cty6zZP/z29459380-ICR-Sebastian-Karpiel-Bulecka.jpg

Looks Italian.

[PeterSlavic]

https://i.ibb.co/Cty6zZP/z29459380-ICR-Sebastian-Karpiel-Bulecka.jpg

Sabastian is dinarid isn't it ?

[Katarzyna]

Really? To me quite a significant chunk of Ukrainians look foreign.

Agree.

[PeterSlavic]

I noticed that Poles from south have more cragged facial featured!

[Zohor]

Ukrainians are more swarthy than Poles in general. Western Ukrainians are easily recognizable from Poles. Southern Ukrainians (like my origins) most of times look even alien to Poland.

Ukrainians of Central Ukraine and Volynhia may be similar to your people, like Ukrainian army commander Zaluzhny from Zhytomir.

As for Central Russia, I see more Nordic and North Pontid people there than Baltids, the difference border lays in center of Belorussia, the West was Polish before 1939, the East was Russian before commies added it to Belorussia in early 1920s.

https://regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2022/09/05/regnum_picture_1662361146739217_normal.jpg

Man, I live in Lublin, city filled with at least several thousand of Ukrainians most likely western since city is very well connected to Lviv and I have totally different opinion on this.

There are some people standing out of Polish crowd(and this mosly by their outfits and haircut) but for most of people I pass on the street I wouldn't have a clue who am I passing, it could be either Polish or Ukrainian. And don't even start about admixture because majority of Ukrainians from this region were relocated after 1945 in "Wisła" action as well...