How are simulated coordinates different than real coordinates?

[Kess]

Is the difference marginal or significant?

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Sim
Distance: 2.1979% / 0.02197931
48.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.8 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 2.3166% / 0.02316556
50.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 WHG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt


doing my own comparison

[Kess]

Target: Beowulf_Sim
Distance: 2.1979% / 0.02197931
48.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.8 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 2.3166% / 0.02316556
50.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 WHG
1.0 MAR_Taforalt


doing my own comparison

Which one is the real one? From what I see the difference is marginal.

[Beowulf]

Which one is the real one? From what I see the difference is marginal.

Beowulf_Scaled is the real one

[tita]

G25 has little amount of components, it is not really precise, you are only able to tell to which country you are closer to. Not more, you can't tell if you have more chances to have schizophrenia or things like that. G25 is really basic...

[Kess]

you can't tell if you have more chances to have schizophrenia or things like that. G25 is really basic...

If I wanted to learn such things, I would order a kit from CircleDNA in the first place…

[sacha]

Mine are pretty different. Sims tend to give most people better fits, this can change a 'shift' to be more typical I believe— it won't be too different, but I think it is definitely worth it to get real coords

https://i.ibb.co/wszdQgc/sachas-4.jpg

[Russki]

They are pretty close if you simulate from Eurogenes K36 and far away if you simulate from any other Gedmatch calculator.



Mine are pretty different. Sims tend to give most people better fits, this can change a 'shift' to be more typical I believe— it won't be too different, but I think it is definitely worth it to get real coords

https://i.ibb.co/wszdQgc/sachas-4.jpg


Do not simulate from Eurogenes K13.

[sacha]

They are pretty close if you simulate from Eurogenes K36 and far away if you simulate from any other Gedmatch calculator.





Do not simulate from Eurogenes K13.
It is a K36 sim dear :-)

[Annihilus]

Target: annihilus_sim k36sim
Distance: 2.1285% / 0.02128496
41.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.4 Levant_PPNB
1.0 WHG

Target: anihilus_scaled DNA Genics (sim)
Distance: 1.9849% / 0.01984915
32.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
28.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
28.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Levant_PPNB
2.4 Han
1.2 WHG
0.4 Nganassan

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled Polako
Distance: 2.1231% / 0.02123080
30.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.2 TUR_Barcin_N
16.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.4 Levant_PPNB
1.8 Han
1.4 WHG
1.2 Nganassan

[Boudin]

I find simulated coordinates are good enough for distances if it's all you've got, but for breakdown, it's terribly inaccurate.

[Leto]

With the simulated coordinates I'm a bit less Mongoloid, otherwise they're fairly similar to the original



Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 6.1521% / 0.06152052
53.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.0 WHG
2.8 Nganassan
1.8 Han

Target: Leto_simulated_scaled
Distance: 6.3415% / 0.06341477
56.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
26.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.4 WHG
3.0 Nganassan

[Thracian]

I don't think simulated ones are usable. The difference is huge, in my case.

Converted Ancestry raw data

Distance to: Thracian_An_simulated_g25_scaled
0.02921137 Turkish_Deliorman
0.03023211 Gagauz
0.03126671 Rumelia_East
0.03293241 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.03357078 Greek_Macedonia
0.03443432 Turkish_Rumeli
0.03458652 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03598448 Greek_Elis
0.03614974 Greek_Messenia
0.03681837 Greek_Thessaly
0.03716822 Greek_Arcadia
0.03721338 Greek_Achaea
0.03730680 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.03770532 Greek_Argolis
0.03783173 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03814401 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03888803 Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.03900142 Greek_Corinthia
0.03934021 Bulgarian
0.03989830 Greek_Laconia
0.04097078 Greek_Izmir
0.04188999 Albanian
0.04195782 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.04340465 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.04351001 Greek_Cyclades_Kea


Original one

Distance to: Thracian_scaled
0.02773576 Turkish_Rumeli
0.03176017 Turkish_Deliorman
0.03922165 Gagauz
0.03989952 Rumelia_East
0.04283491 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04353324 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.04474076 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04508945 Bulgarian
0.04522904 Greek_Macedonia
0.04528608 Greek_Elis
0.04587800 Greek_Achaea
0.04600745 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.04680144 Greek_Messenia
0.04683261 Greek_Peloponnese
0.04733297 Greek_Corinthia
0.04747421 Greek_Argolis
0.04749555 Greek_Arcadia
0.04782238 Greek_Thessaly
0.04815208 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.04842110 Greek_Izmir
0.04880756 Albanian
0.04954477 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.04999867 Greek_Laconia
0.04999933 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05017517 Greek_North_Tsakonia


I picked 1x because somewhere in the blog Davidski wrote 1x is actually ancestry -or closest one, maybe I am wrong anyway still looks more plain though-

Target: Thracian_scaled
Distance: 1.8434% / 0.01843447 | ADC: 1x RC
63.0 Turkish_Rumeli
37.0 Rumelia_East

Target: Thracian_An_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4547% / 0.01454729 | ADC: 1x RC
46.2 Greek_West_Taygetos
30.0 Turkish_Rumeli
23.8 Turkish_Deliorman

[Kenshiro]

Is the difference marginal or significant?

My real look more in line with gedmatch results

[Laredo]

It really depends on the Individual, personally I find both useful and okay specifically for the European and native.