Turkey and it's neighbors

[Annihilus]

To the northwest is Bulgaria; Greece to the west; Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran to the east; Georgia to the northeast; Syria to the south; and Iraq to the southeast.


Bulgaria,0.12575,0.1348642,0.0296442,0.0053618,0.0 2462,-0.0008368,0.005499,0.0030458,-0.0002862,0.0069978,-0.0033452,0.0008992,0.002111,0.0086426,-0.0143046,-0.0022274,0.0070928,0.0020016,0.0031424,-0.0037018,-0.0046168,-0.000544,0.00281,-0.0024824,-0.0010776
Armenia,0.1045159,0.1378749,-0.054972,-0.0590361,-0.0298383,-0.0148085,0.0049876,-0.0049856,-0.031737,-0.0044773,0.0031311,0.0031597,-0.0025516,0.0013669,-0.0049592,-0.0017794,0.0023014,-0.0000554,0.0009505,-0.0015853,0.0016589,0.0019565,-0.0007474,-0.0018701,0.0004846
Turkey,0.1002831,0.0830109,-0.0202461,-0.0328479,-0.0192237,-0.0111221,0.0048499,-0.0005237,-0.0189845,-0.0007441,-0.0006198,0.0015332,-0.002934,0.0019408,-0.0049107,0.0001046,0.0038407,0.0008581,0.0018955,-0.0012275,-0.0025183,0.0000178,-0.0016338,-0.0004467,-0.0001946
Iraq:,0.045985755,0.11964389,-0.060991499,-0.064513674,-0.026913487,-0.020505496,-0.0045495608,-0.0042909203,0.0061636896,-0.0049901957,0.005995497,-0.010517103,0.020545893,-0.00057532195,0.0014583595,0.012309856,-0.0072296855,0.0019558565,0.00081081204,0.00157346 69,0.0035272333,0.0020326942,-0.002941998,-0.00036016745,-0.00030506093
Syria:,0.053744959,0.13034425,-0.045391588,-0.068620578,-0.016439729,-0.022792678,-0.0020645981,-0.0024663453,0.0057278249,0.00021685099,0.00577304 51,-0.0067415424,0.013229253,0.0012963728,-0.0016855574,0.0041163171,-0.0025537951,-0.000052921964,0.0014444653,0.00055296229,-0.0015339471,0.00091452353,0.000048019549,0.000380 75547,0.00289946
Iran,0.0840697,0.1017306,-0.0703868,-0.0267092,-0.0474977,0.000392,0.0034309,-0.0042687,-0.0266901,-0.0147691,0.0017226,-0.0016615,0.0051182,-0.0019753,0.005385,0.0125982,-0.005207,0.0033139,0.0036811,-0.0112555,-0.0005453,-0.0048522,-0.0002799,-0.0050368,0.004505
Greece,0.114846,0.1445099,-0.0041639,-0.0345836,0.0114162,-0.0116883,0.0026379,-0.0008963,-0.0034625,0.0138687,0.0023775,0.0022983,-0.0035142,0.0057909,-0.013369,-0.002887,0.0058441,0.0010114,0.0051216,-0.0042356,-0.0050096,0.0013782,0.0013402,0.0006421,-0.0013707
Georgia,0.1077115,0.1308397,-0.0548735,-0.0461845,-0.0379044,-0.0076778,0.008968,-0.006295,-0.0541246,-0.017902,0.0001209,0.0090376,-0.0195615,0.0025371,0.0013682,-0.0148539,0.0077105,-0.0040414,-0.0060691,0.0108329,0.009196,0.0024153,0.0011083,-0.0055189,-0.0009102
Azerbaijan,0.0955797,0.0940626,-0.0459392,-0.0341289,-0.0361173,-0.0031066,0.0048856,-0.0045484,-0.0312193,-0.0120426,-0.0021629,0.001145,-0.00088,0.0000364,0.00302,-0.0008376,-0.0064494,0.0023211,0.001764,-0.0048573,0.000129,-0.0003647,-0.0009213,-0.0016814,0.0013173

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 1.6144% / 0.01614369
38.2 Bulgaria
26.0 Turkey
25.0 Georgia
6.2 Syria
4.4 Greece
0.2 Azerbaijan

[Kess]

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8504% / 0.01850439
47.8 Turkey
25.8 Georgia
19.8 Azerbaijan
6.6 Bulgaria

Distance to: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
0.03227952 Turkey
0.03291702 Azerbaijan
0.05926042 Georgia
0.06365670 Iran
0.06534165 Armenia
0.08390425 Greece
0.09691047 Syria:
0.10310343 Iraq:
0.10545539 Bulgaria

[DomitiusAurelian]

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.1846% / 0.02184636
88.6 Turkey
6.4 Syria:
5.0 Armenia

[Voskos]

Target:
Distance: 2.5767% / 0.02576725
82.0 Greece
18.0 Syria

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.08147354 Bulgaria
0.12806776 Greece
0.15557886 Turkey
0.17616002 Azerbaijan
0.18907608 Armenia
0.19143519 Georgia
0.19582804 Iran
0.19793051 Syria:
0.21237697 Iraq:

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 8.1474% / 0.08147354
100.0 Bulgaria

[sacha]

I have a very good fit on this one

Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 5.7433% / 0.05743305
48.2 Syria
26.2 Armenia
25.6 Greece

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.06855632 Syria:
0.07214120 Armenia
0.08392797 Greece
0.08758165 Iraq:
0.10829416 Turkey

[paradox]

Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 1.3202% / 0.01320191
65.8 Bulgaria
22.8 Greece
7.2 Syria
4.2 Armenia

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.4553% / 0.02455261
98.6 Bulgaria
1.4 Syria

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demirkazık
Distance: 3.5429% / 0.03542930
100.0 Turkey

[kingmob]

Trabzon not included in Turkey, Dodecannese not included in Greece?

No?

Why are you wasting time on these meme 'calculators'.

I was going to post fst distances between Greeks and Turks but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[kingmob]

Why not.




> fst(prefix, pop1 = "Turkish", pop2 = c("Greek", "Georgian", "Armenian_Hemsheni", "Armenian", "Ossetian", "Azeri", "Bulgarian", "Albanian", "Syrian", "Lebanese"))
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ Reich_data_HO_v54.1.geno has 14317 samples and 597573 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 151 samples in 11 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 120 MB
597k SNPs read...
✔ 597573 SNPs read in total
! 585291 SNPs remain after filtering. 470914 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 585291 SNPs and 11 populations is 94 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 2060 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 2060 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 10 × 4
pop1 pop2 est se
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Turkish Albanian 0.00334 0.000367
2 Turkish Armenian 0.00159 0.000238
3 Turkish Armenian_Hemsheni 0.00551 0.000310
4 Turkish Azeri 0.00251 0.000163
5 Turkish Bulgarian 0.00324 0.000243
6 Turkish Georgian 0.00363 0.000142
7 Turkish Greek 0.00225 0.000355
8 Turkish Lebanese 0.00401 0.000284
9 Turkish Ossetian 0.00454 0.000203
10 Turkish Syrian 0.00521 0.000331
>



Oh, noes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index

[kingmob]

And now for Greeks:




> fst(prefix, pop1 = "Greek", pop2 = c("Turkish", "Georgian", "Armenian_Hemsheni", "Armenian", "Ossetian", "Azeri", "Bulgarian", "Albanian", "Syrian", "Lebanese"))
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ Reich_data_HO_v54.1.geno has 14317 samples and 597573 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 151 samples in 11 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 120 MB
597k SNPs read...
✔ 597573 SNPs read in total
! 585291 SNPs remain after filtering. 470914 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 585291 SNPs and 11 populations is 94 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 2060 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 2060 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 10 × 4
pop1 pop2 est se
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Greek Albanian -0.0000585 0.000597
2 Greek Armenian 0.00246 0.000493
3 Greek Armenian_Hemsheni 0.00622 0.000553
4 Greek Azeri 0.00493 0.000427
5 Greek Bulgarian 0.000676 0.000474
6 Greek Georgian 0.00494 0.000407
7 Greek Lebanese 0.00526 0.000554
8 Greek Ossetian 0.00659 0.000465
9 Greek Syrian 0.00720 0.000567
10 Greek Turkish 0.00225 0.000355
>



Note: Negative value (est) means 0, as in there's no distinguishable distance.

[kingmob]

Now for me:





> fst(prefix, pop1 = "kingmob", pop2 = c("Greek","Turkish", "Georgian", "Armenian_Hemsheni", "Armenian", "Ossetian", "Azeri", "Bulgarian", "Albanian", "Syrian", "Lebanese"))
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ Reich_data_HO_v54.1.geno has 14317 samples and 597573 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 152 samples in 12 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 124 MB
597k SNPs read...
✔ 597573 SNPs read in total
! 245414 SNPs remain after filtering. 240096 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 245414 SNPs and 12 populations is 41 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 989 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 989 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 11 × 4
pop1 pop2 est se
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl>
1 kingmob Albanian -0.00312 0.00251
2 kingmob Armenian -0.00156 0.00244
3 kingmob Armenian_Hemsheni 0.00113 0.00244
4 kingmob Azeri 0.00250 0.00240
5 kingmob Bulgarian 0.0000227 0.00246
6 kingmob Georgian 0.000564 0.00237
7 kingmob Greek -0.00211 0.00248
8 kingmob Lebanese 0.00121 0.00245
9 kingmob Ossetian 0.00346 0.00244
10 kingmob Syrian 0.00311 0.00241
11 kingmob Turkish -0.00172 0.00228


It looks like fst cannot differentiate my makeup from Albanians, Armenians, Greeks and Turks.

What a time to be alive.

[Demirkazık]

It looks like fst cannot differentiate my makeup from Albanians, Armenians, Greeks and Turks.

What a time to be alive.

Do you know which sample is used for Turkish ?

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 3.8694% / 0.03869397
100.0 Bulgaria

[DomitiusAurelian]

Why not.




> fst(prefix, pop1 = "Turkish", pop2 = c("Greek", "Georgian", "Armenian_Hemsheni", "Armenian", "Ossetian", "Azeri", "Bulgarian", "Albanian", "Syrian", "Lebanese"))
ℹ Reading allele frequencies from packedancestrymap files...
ℹ Reich_data_HO_v54.1.geno has 14317 samples and 597573 SNPs
ℹ Calculating allele frequencies from 151 samples in 11 populations
ℹ Expected size of allele frequency data: 120 MB
597k SNPs read...
✔ 597573 SNPs read in total
! 585291 SNPs remain after filtering. 470914 are polymorphic.
ℹ Allele frequency matrix for 585291 SNPs and 11 populations is 94 MB
ℹ Computing pairwise f2 for all SNPs and population pairs requires 2060 MB RAM without splitting
ℹ Computing without splitting since 2060 < 8000 (maxmem)...
ℹ Returning fst blocks
# A tibble: 10 × 4
pop1 pop2 est se
<chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl>
1 Turkish Albanian 0.00334 0.000367
2 Turkish Armenian 0.00159 0.000238
3 Turkish Armenian_Hemsheni 0.00551 0.000310
4 Turkish Azeri 0.00251 0.000163
5 Turkish Bulgarian 0.00324 0.000243
6 Turkish Georgian 0.00363 0.000142
7 Turkish Greek 0.00225 0.000355
8 Turkish Lebanese 0.00401 0.000284
9 Turkish Ossetian 0.00454 0.000203
10 Turkish Syrian 0.00521 0.000331
>



Oh, noes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index

What is your point?

[majevica]

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 3.2817% / 0.03281675
100.0 Bulgaria

[kingmob]

What is your point?


my point <-----


your head <-----

[kingmob]

Do you know which sample is used for Turkish ?


Check the .anno (https://reichdata.hms.harvard.edu/pub/datasets/amh_repo/curated_releases/V54/V54.1.p1/SHARE/public.dir/v54.1.p1_HO_public.anno)file for a lot of details (ctrl+F > search Turkish).


https://reichdata.hms.harvard.edu/pub/datasets/amh_repo/curated_releases/

[HarveySuits]

A bit surprising. Must be very southern Greek

Target: G_scaled
Distance: 3.2986% / 0.03298599
77.2 Greece
22.8 Bulgaria

[Annihilus]

A bit surprising. Must be very southern Greek

Target: G_scaled
Distance: 3.2986% / 0.03298599
77.2 Greece
22.8 Bulgaria

And you are, Northern Greek?

[HarveySuits]

And you are, Northern Greek?

Albanian

[lockdownboredom]

A bit surprising. Must be very southern Greek

Target: G_scaled
Distance: 3.2986% / 0.03298599
77.2 Greece
22.8 Bulgaria

:eek:

Target: LB_scaled
Distance: 3.4165% / 0.03416507
57.2 Bulgaria
42.8 Greece


Target: Nephew_scaled
Distance: 2.7994% / 0.02799444
62.6 Greece
37.4 Bulgaria