Percentage of People with Blue Eyes in Europe

[Kess]

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[Avicenna]

Numbers seem Inflated for pure blue eyes imo for Alot of countries

[Melkiirs]

Numbers seem Inflated for pure blue eyes imo for Alot of countries

It’s based on Supercomputer‘s map which intended to include both pure light and light mixed eyes:
https://i.ibb.co/MDDCM7c/A2-C96-E31-CD9-D-4-BE3-8-B73-97-C51-E11-CF5-C.jpg (https://ibb.co/jvvrgDy)

[Kess]

Numbers seem Inflated for pure blue eyes imo for Alot of countries

I agree.

[PaganPoet]

Light eyes and blue eyes are not the same.

[Avicenna]

It’s based on Supercomputer‘s map which intended to include both pure light and light mixed eyes:
https://i.ibb.co/MDDCM7c/A2-C96-E31-CD9-D-4-BE3-8-B73-97-C51-E11-CF5-C.jpg (https://ibb.co/jvvrgDy)
So the title should be just light eyes( which include pure blue/gray and green plus light mixed ) . Pure blue is no where near that high other than north and northwest Europe.

[Odelia]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126439&d=1706547454

[Laredo]

Those numbers are very high, I don't even think Southern European countries reach above 15% of colored eyes.

[Melkiirs]

Those numbers are very high, I don't even think Southern European countries reach above 15% of colored eyes.

By colored eyed do you mean all non-pure brown or just mostly light eyes?

[Laredo]

By colored eyed do you mean all non-pure brown or just mostly light eyes?

Yeah mostly light light eyed, years ago read on Wikipedia that 16% of United States population were blue eyed and same with Spain.

Did you think Spain Is light eyed as the U. S?

[alnortedelsur]

Those numbers are very high, I don't even think Southern European countries reach above 15% of colored eyes.

Colored eyes (including blue, green and hazel all together) cannot be that low in southern Europe, percentage wise, as you claim. LOL! You are just butt hurt because most people on here see you as balanced mestizo, or very close to it.

I'm sure colored eyes combined (green/blue/hazel) are at least 50% among Spaniards, if no more.

15% figure (more like 16-17% actually) sounds right only for blue eyes (talking about Spain).

[alnortedelsur]

Yeah mostly light light eyed, years ago read on Wikipedia that 16% of United States population were blue eyed and same with Spain.

Did you think Spain Is light eyed as the U.S?

Is possible, since US is far from being all white Anglos. Lots of blacks, Latin Americans (many of them non-white), Asians, etc., aside of some white US American people with origins in non-Germanic European countries, where the percentage of blue eyes is not bigger than among Spaniards.

[Laredo]

Colored eyes (including blue, green and hazel all together) cannot be that low in southern Europe, percentage wise, as you claim. LOL! You are just butt hurt because most people on here see you as balanced mestizo, or very close to it.

I'm sure colored eyes combined (green/blue/hazel) are at least 50% among Spaniards, if no more.

15% figure (more like 16-17% actually) sounds right only for blue eyes (talking about Spain).


Is possible, since US is far from being all white Anglos. Lots of blacks, Latin Americans (many of them non-white), Asians, etc., aside of some white US American people with origins in non-Germanic European countries, where the percentage of blue eyes is not bigger than among Spaniards.

Did you have autism? I'm asking you politely because I asked Milkaner opinion In good faith and yes I don't belive the percentage Is higher than 20% I don't mean hazel eyes but deep blue etc

[Septentrion]

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Our continent is unique, in the sense that it's only here that one may find populations that are predominantly blue-eyed. Elsewhere, brown eyes is the rule. Blue eyes do occur, but they never dominate.

[Septentrion]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126439&d=1706547454

According to this statistic, what I'd call "excessively blue - eyed nations :
1) Iceland = 89%
2) Finland = 88%
3) Estonia, Norway, Sweden = 87%
4) Denmark = 85%
5) Ireland = 84%
6) Latvia = 83%
7) Scotland = 82%
The "least blue - eyed nations :
1) Greece = 17%
2) Albania = 20%
3) Portugal = 22%
4) Kosovo = 23%
5) Macedonia, Bosnia Herzegovina = 25%
6) Spain = 26%
7) Serbia = 28%

I might not agree completely with the percentages, but are overall satisfactory. Nevertheless, I smell biases here. How is Turkey lighter-eyed than Greece? Are people foolish? How's Bulgaria lighter - eyed than Albania ? Wales isn't darker - eyed than England as a whole. It is only darker - haired.

[Melkiirs]

According to this statistic, what I'd call "excessively blue - eyed nations :
1) Iceland = 89%
2) Finland = 88%
3) Estonia, Norway, Sweden = 87%
4) Denmark = 85%
5) Ireland = 84%
6) Latvia = 83%
7) Scotland = 82%
The "least blue - eyed nations :
1) Greece = 17%
2) Albania = 20%
3) Portugal = 22%
4) Kosovo = 23%
5) Macedonia, Bosnia Herzegovina = 25%
6) Spain = 26%
7) Serbia = 28%

I might not agree completely with the percentages, but are overall satisfactory. Nevertheless, I smell biases here. How is Turkey lighter-eyed than Greece? Are people foolish? How's Bulgaria lighter - eyed than Albania ? Wales isn't darker - eyed than England as a whole. It is only darker - haired.

You recently replied to me stating that there is no reason to expect Greeks are any lighter eyed than Turks. I wrote that there can be overlap in certain aspects of pigmentation at the peripheries. Why do you contradict yourself now?


The Greeks are one of Europe’s darkest populations, if not the darkest. 85.4% are dark - eyed. Therefore although they are still distinctly European, you should not expect them to marginally lighter - eyed than even Turks ( hybrids ). Do you know your geography Yankee? Greece is near Turkey, hello?

[Melkiirs]

Yeah mostly light light eyed, years ago read on Wikipedia that 16% of United States population were blue eyed and same with Spain.

Did you think Spain Is light eyed as the U. S?

Very likely near 60% of Spaniards (maybe 55-60%) have pure brown eyes, including light brown. Hulse found about 60% of a sample of 420 Andalusian males had pure brown eyes and about 10% pure light. Andalusians are not significantly darker eyed than average Spaniards at least with pure light eyes. Galicians are in North Spain but Hoyos Saniz found them 8.2% blue eyed against 9.3% in Andalusia. Santiago Alcobé determined based on the work of Hoyos Saniz that 10.3% of Spaniards overall had blue eyes Martin-Schultz 1-2b, 39.5% pure grey to light brown Martin-Schultz 3-11, and 50.2% medium to dark brown Martin-Schultz 12-16. I don't know how exactly the determination of 39.5% pure grey through light brown eyes was made as lighter honey-colored and grey eyes together do not come near 39.5%. Even adding lighter chestnut eyes as well does not equal 39.5%. In any case the correlation to the Martin-Schultz scale is consistent with a rough 10/30/60 pure-light/mixed/pure-dark distribution of eye color for Spaniards.

Here is the correlation of the Hoyos Sainz data to the Martin-Schultz scale in addition to Alcobé's data on people from the Catalan Pyrenees valleys and data on German origin communities in Sierra Morena area:
https://i.ibb.co/f2Tfczv/Screenshot-2024-01-30-201707.png (https://ibb.co/nbK9WNC)
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25753388

Note these German Spaniards are no longer pure German/Flemish by the mid 20th century but mixed with native Andalusians.

Aleš Hrdlička found 31% pure light, 52.5% mixed, and 16.5% pure dark eyes among 1009 Old American males (mainly of colonial NW Euro descent). Spaniards having about 1/3rd the proportion of pure light eyes as mixed NW Euros seems about right. If a third of the US population is as pure light eyed as these Old Americans and the rest of the US population had no pure light eyes, Spain would be about as pure light eyed as the US. Northwest Europe is still the predominantly origin of US Whites who are about 71% of the population based on the 2020 census. Thus I don't think Spain overall is as light eyed as the US overall at this point, although perhaps some regions are comparable. Maybe France is a better comparison.

[aherne]

BS map: no way Romania has 33% of blue eyes. Show me a random group of Romanians where light eyes are more than 15% (blue are even less common)...

[Melkiirs]

BS map: no way Romania has 33% of blue eyes. Show me a random group of Romanians where light eyes are more than 15% (blue are even less common)...

Does this map make sense? Largest ever study of Romanian pigmentation based on 4000 military personnel published by Viktor Lebzelter in 1933.

Blue/grey eyes excluding greenish or hazel:
https://i.ibb.co/yV5dn9W/Screenshot-2024-01-31-143139.png (https://ibb.co/fQtqYg4)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bulletin/8E5LAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hellblau

[aherne]

Does this map make sense? Largest ever study of Romanian pigmentation based on 4000 military personnel published by Viktor Lebzelter in 1933.

Blue/grey eyes excluding greenish or hazel:
https://i.ibb.co/yV5dn9W/Screenshot-2024-01-31-143139.png (https://ibb.co/fQtqYg4)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Bulletin/8E5LAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hellblau

60%+ Blue eyed?:))) Even though numbers are grossly inflated, the patterns may be somewhat accurate.

[Melkiirs]

60%+ Blue eyed?:))) Even though numbers are grossly inflated, the patterns may be somewhat accurate.

This is the same study that found 19.4% of Romanian men overall to be blond and found light brown hair to be rarer than blond. There was clearly some issue with the methodology. Blond not being properly distinguished from light brown for instance.

[Russki]

It’s based on Supercomputer‘s map which intended to include both pure light and light mixed eyes:
https://i.ibb.co/MDDCM7c/A2-C96-E31-CD9-D-4-BE3-8-B73-97-C51-E11-CF5-C.jpg


I was invested in Supercomputer's work and we changed his map a lot together. But the figure for Russia remained a point of uncertainty because while he found my findings for light+light mixed plausible, the figures for blue and grey were practically worthless. I synchronized with his standard for cut-off point for light eyes and sorted the members of the two branches of the Russian government (Parliament and Senate) in excel tables by their eye color. In both excel tables the combined total of light+light mixed was 75%, and while he found that agreeable, I messed up by not separating blue and grey eyes, and the study became practically useless for determining the % of blue eyes alone.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359341-Russian-eye-color-(Parliament-study)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?358298-Russian-eye-color-(Senate-study)

The current figure (69%) corresponds to ToKneeHwin's findings whose standard for what counts as light+light mixed eyes correspond greatly to Supercomputer's standard. In my opinion the difference between ToKneeHwin's 69% and mine 75% comes from ToKneeHwin's study being inclusive of ethnic minorities who have Russian-sounding names. He would be able to exclude only those who have Muslim-sounding names and those who have a very obvious East Asian appearance.

[Melkiirs]

I was invested in Supercomputer's work and we changed his map a lot together. But the figure for Russia remained a point of uncertainty because while he found my findings for light+light mixed plausible, the figures for blue and grey were practically worthless. I synchronized with his standard for cut-off point for light eyes and sorted the members of the two branches of the Russian government (Parliament and Senate) in excel tables by their eye color. In both excel tables the combined total of light+light mixed was 75%, and while he found that agreeable, I messed up by not separating blue and grey eyes, and the study became practically useless for determining the % of blue eyes alone.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?359341-Russian-eye-color-(Parliament-study)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?358298-Russian-eye-color-(Senate-study)

The current figure (69%) corresponds to ToKneeHwin's findings whose standard for what counts as light+light mixed eyes correspond greatly to Supercomputer's standard. In my opinion the difference between ToKneeHwin's 69% and mine 75% comes from ToKneeHwin's study being inclusive of ethnic minorities who have Russian-sounding names. He would be able to exclude only those who have Muslim-sounding names and those who have a very obvious East Asian appearance.

How far off were the figures of anthropologists using the Bunak scale? What is the average for approximately pure light #9-12 from professional studies? Some studies in Russia also used Martin scale. A sample of 595 7-8 year old ethnic Russian schoolchildren in Kazan (https://books.google.com/books?id=t_5WAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA286&dq=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B+%D1%80%D1% 83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8 0%D0%B5%D0%B8+%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B 2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B+%220,5%25%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisqeLwpv-DAxV_EFkFHcKfDJ0Q6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B%20%D1%80%D1 %83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D0%B5%D0%B2%D 1%80%D0%B5%D0%B8%20%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5% 20%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B%20%220%2C5% 25%22&f=false) found 39.2% Martin #12-16 and including #11 would bring blue/grey eyes to over 40%. Tatar admixture could have lead to darker eyes because of the frequency of Russian-Tatar intermarriage.

[Septentrion]

Very likely near 60% of Spaniards (maybe 55-60%) have pure brown eyes, including light brown. Hulse found about 60% of a sample of 420 Andalusian males had pure brown eyes and about 10% pure light. Andalusians are not significantly darker eyed than average Spaniards at least with pure light eyes. Galicians are in North Spain but Hoyos Saniz found them 8.2% blue eyed against 9.3% in Andalusia. Santiago Alcobé determined based on the work of Hoyos Saniz that 10.3% of Spaniards overall had blue eyes Martin-Schultz 1-2b, 39.5% pure grey to light brown Martin-Schultz 3-11, and 50.2% medium to dark brown Martin-Schultz 12-16. I don't know how exactly the determination of 39.5% pure grey through light brown eyes was made as lighter honey-colored and grey eyes together do not come near 39.5%. Even adding lighter chestnut eyes as well does not equal 39.5%. In any case the correlation to the Martin-Schultz scale is consistent with a rough 10/30/60 pure-light/mixed/pure-dark distribution of eye color for Spaniards.

Here is the correlation of the Hoyos Sainz data to the Martin-Schultz scale in addition to Alcobé's data on people from the Catalan Pyrenees valleys and data on German origin communities in Sierra Morena area:
https://i.ibb.co/f2Tfczv/Screenshot-2024-01-30-201707.png (https://ibb.co/nbK9WNC)
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25753388

Note these German Spaniards are no longer pure German/Flemish by the mid 20th century but mixed with native Andalusians.

Aleš Hrdlička found 31% pure light, 52.5% mixed, and 16.5% pure dark eyes among 1009 Old American males (mainly of colonial NW Euro descent). Spaniards having about 1/3rd the proportion of pure light eyes as mixed NW Euros seems about right. If a third of the US population is as pure light eyed as these Old Americans and the rest of the US population had no pure light eyes, Spain would be about as pure light eyed as the US. Northwest Europe is still the predominantly origin of US Whites who are about 71% of the population based on the 2020 census. Thus I don't think Spain overall is as light eyed as the US overall at this point, although perhaps some regions are comparable. Maybe France is a better comparison.

Milkaner? America has been hybridized by now. Only 22.3% of Whites ( European - Americans ) are blue - eyed and 16% are green -eyed.

[aherne]

This is the same study that found 19.4% of Romanian men overall to be blond and found light brown hair to be rarer than blond. There was clearly some issue with the methodology. Blond not being properly distinguished from light brown for instance.

If Romanians have 20%, then ethnic French have 80% and Swedes have 250% :D

[Avicenna]

If Romanians have 20%, then ethnic French have 80% and Swedes have 250% :D
I think you are underestimating the lightness of Romanians

[Scarface F]

I think you are underestimating the lightness of Romanians

I've been to Romania and they are pretty dark.

[Scarface F]

OP map is shit, numbers are exeggerated and incorrect.


According to this statistic, what I'd call "excessively blue - eyed nations :
1) Iceland = 89%
2) Finland = 88%
3) Estonia, Norway, Sweden = 87%
4) Denmark = 85%
5) Ireland = 84%
6) Latvia = 83%
7) Scotland = 82%
The "least blue - eyed nations :
1) Greece = 17%
2) Albania = 20%
3) Portugal = 22%
4) Kosovo = 23%
5) Macedonia, Bosnia Herzegovina = 25%
6) Spain = 26%
7) Serbia = 28%

I might not agree completely with the percentages, but are overall satisfactory. Nevertheless, I smell biases here. How is Turkey lighter-eyed than Greece? Are people foolish? How's Bulgaria lighter - eyed than Albania ? Wales isn't darker - eyed than England as a whole. It is only darker - haired.

Bosnia is much lighter eyed than north Mecdonia and obviously lighter than Spain and Serbia. lol

[Avicenna]

I've been to Romania and they are pretty dark.

Pretty dark can be quite subjective, elaborating would be useful. What part of Romania have you travelled to?

[Septentrion]

OP map is shit, numbers are exeggerated and incorrect.



Bosnia is much lighter eyed than north Mecdonia and obviously lighter than Spain and Serbia. lol

Much lighter? I don’t think so.

[Scarface F]

Pretty dark can be quite subjective, elaborating would be useful. What part of Romania have you travelled to?

Transylvania. They were southern European like in coloring. Comparable to north Italians but with different facial features.


Much lighter? I don’t think so.

You knowledge about Balkans is zero so it's understandable.

[Melkiirs]

Milkaner? America has been hybridized by now. Only 22.3% of Whites ( European - Americans ) are blue - eyed and 16% are green -eyed.

You don't think France is a potentially better comparison in eye color than Spain to the US, including those with recent immigration background?

All the US needs to be as pure light eyed as early 20th century Spain is to have 1/3rd of the population being of colonial Northwest Euro ancestry (Old Americans of Aleš Hrdlička) and the rest could very well all be Congolese. Ethnic Spaniards based on the Santiago Alcobé interpretation of Hoyos Sainz are already at large darker eyed even if US Whites are really now only 22.3% pure light and that does not account for the Moroccans or South Americans in Spain. This is why France might possibly be a better fit, although there is no explicit public data on French ethnicity.

On another note it is hard to to fully gauge differences with self-reported data. US National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys is self-reported. We know more recent generations of identifying White Americans have darker eyes but without standardized observations how much is somewhat unclear.