G25 wog calculator scaled

[rothaer]

To ultimately make things clear and by that settle the wog debate I created a deep ancestry wog calculator.

It contains only four assignments. WHG and EHG are non-wog, ENF and CHG are wog, Natufian and Iberomaurusian are super wog and EA, South Asian HG, OHG, SSA and Amerind are out-of competition exotics.

Run with aggregate: yes and default settings.

Have fun!


wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180 118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
out-of-competition_exotics:EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.02 27646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.032158 3,0.129855,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0 .20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922 ,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
out-of-competition_exotics:Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.0466 67,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.00274 5,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
out-of-competition_exotics:SSA=Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
out-of-competition_exotics:OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4,-0.042115,-0.224432,-0.205154,0.215442,0.145566,-0.322398,-0.007285,0.014538,-0.000818,0.003098,-0.004872,-0.002248,0.004311,-0.001239,-0.008415,-0.000796,0.004694,-0.001774,-0.01169,-0.003377,0.003369,-0.006801,-0.000863,-0.001928,-0.00946
super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Iberomaurusian=MAR_Ib eromaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0474% / 0.04736866
68.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
31.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

The moment of the truth has come

[hazmatnik]

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 6.4505% / 0.06450530
68.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
31.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[rothaer]

All rothaer related testees sorted along the proportions:

https://i.imgur.com/V5NLWDo.jpeg

[Feiichy]

Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 6.3081% / 0.06308094

62.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
38.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Kess]

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled Distance: 3.3076% / 0.03307565

wog(ENF+CHG) 74.4
non-wog(WHG+EHG) 11.8
super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus) 8.6
out-of-competition_exotics 5.2

[sacha]

Silly apprentice wogs, you will never reach my level

Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 5.8149% / 0.05814853
74.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
26.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[PaulieVanZant]

Target: Stahl
Distance: 6.6324% / 0.06632362
55.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
44.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Figaro]

Target: CordedFather
Distance: 6.5475% / 0.06547478
57.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
42.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: CordedMother
Distance: 6.0469% / 0.06046888
56.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
44.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Feiichy]

Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 6.3081% / 0.06308094

62.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
38.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Stears and me are well genetically matched, we have almost identical result

Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 5.0336% / 0.05033551

61.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
39.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.2518% / 0.06251820
65.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
35.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)




Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.2518% / 0.06251820
54.0 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
3.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

[rothaer]

Silly apprentice wogs, you will never reach my level

Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 5.8149% / 0.05814853
74.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
26.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

This is master wog without being out of competition. Respect.

[Kess]

Silly apprentice wogs, you will never reach my level

Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 5.8149% / 0.05814853
74.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
26.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Queen of wogs I bow before you.

[rothaer]

Stears and me are well genetically matched, we have almost identical result

Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 5.0336% / 0.05033551

61.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
39.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Stears has luck that this calculator is somewhat insensitive and thus tolerant for minor and diluted EA contributions. :p

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224

100% Wog (Thank God)

[Kess]

All rothaer related testees sorted along non-wog proportions:

https://i.imgur.com/V5NLWDo.jpeg

How many children do you have?

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 4.4541% / 0.04454106
66.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
29.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
4.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 4.3743% / 0.04374344
65.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
29.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
4.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
0.6 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 4.2033% / 0.04203305
66.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
28.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
5.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[rothaer]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224

100% Wog (Thank God)

Don't cheat. :p

[paradox]

Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 4.2222% / 0.04222175
72.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
23.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
4.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.2939% / 0.05293906
69.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
30.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
0.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[rothaer]

How many children do you have?

Just the here visible ones. I abused them all with DNA testing.

[gixajo]

Stears has luck that this calculator is somewhat insensitive and thus tolerant for minor and diluted EA contributions. :p

You should have labelled EHG as "exotic". :thumb001:

[sacha]

This is master wog without being out of competition. Respect.

There are some theoretically elite super wogs:

https://i.ibb.co/KGrLzFn/image.png

And some normal wogs:

https://i.ibb.co/ZHth4mD/image.png

It should probably be weighted 1.5x for super-wog, 1x for wog. So for me I have 74+(26*1.5) = 113 score. The top normal wogs only score 94+(6*1.5) = 103 score, whilst Yemenite Mahra brings in 21.4+(78.6*1.5) = 139.3. True intellectual pursuits only here on TA

[gixajo]

Don't cheat. :p

I would never try to cheat a German, you are too smart and you would see the cheat quickly

I will run it again.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224

100% Super-wog

My results changed, probably I did something wrong the first time, we wogs are not good at these complicated things.:(

But hey, I can play guitar!!!

[rothaer]

By the sorting I noticed that my mother and my mother-in-law do have identical results, and this almost also applies to the distances. Crazy!

Target: rothaer_mother_scaled
Distance: 6.9887% / 0.06988726
54.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
45.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: rothaer_mother-in-law_scaled
Distance: 6.9999% / 0.06999906
54.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
45.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[rothaer]

There are some theoretically elite super wogs:

https://i.ibb.co/KGrLzFn/image.png

And some normal wogs:

https://i.ibb.co/ZHth4mD/image.png

It should probably be weighted 1.5x for super-wog, 1x for wog. So for me I have 74+(26*1.5) = 113 score. The top normal wogs only score 94+(6*1.5) = 103 score, whilst Yemenite Mahra brings in 21.4+(78.6*1.5) = 139.3. True intellectual pursuits only here on TA

Yeah, you are creating and defining a wog equivalent. I first thought of including South Asian HG as I consider it on the (wog) spectrum. But I refrained from it because I considered it to have an even higher wog equivalent than has super wog and I didn't want to mix assignments with notably different wog equivalents. How would you assess South Asian HG in that context? Leave it out of competition, I guess, as it could be too dangerous otherwise. :)

[rothaer]

You should have labelled EHG as "exotic". :thumb001:

I admit that the labelling is somewhat eurocentric.

:p

[gixajo]

True intellectual pursuits only here on TA

Nah, just for fun. Rothaer himself is a quite wog German physically, and strangely humorous for a 50% Asperger's German.

[gixajo]

I admit that the labelling is somewhat eurocentric.

:p

;)

[Katarzyna]

Probably Ugo’s favourite calc

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.1480% / 0.07147990
50.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
49.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

[Feiichy]

Probably Ugo’s favourite calc

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.1480% / 0.07147990
50.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
49.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

wow! We are all MENAs in comparison with you. You are first person here below 50% wog!

[Katarzyna]

wow! We are all MENAs in comparison with you. You are first person here below 50% wog!

Bacause of my Belarusian ancestry, that’s why I am more Baltic :)
Average Pole is a wog here

Target: Polish
Distance: 6.8687% / 0.06868689
52.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
47.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Figaro]

A little bit woggier than I expected for my mostly British/Irish+some Swiss ancestry friend.

Target: CordedFriend
Distance: 6.7934% / 0.06793387
63.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
37.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Feiichy]

A little bit woggier than I expected for my mostly British/Irish+some Swiss ancestry friend.

Target: CordedFriend
Distance: 6.7934% / 0.06793387
63.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
37.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Little bit woggier than me, and I am from Mediterranean Sea. It's because Balto-Slavs that expanded were least woggy people in Europe.

[gixajo]

Probably Ugo’s favourite calc

)

Ugo´s reaction getting 48% Wog in this calculator is easily predictable :

https://i.imgur.com/qPpNgC4.gif

[rothaer]

Nah, just for fun. Rothaer himself is a quite wog German physically, and strangely humorous for a 50% Asperger's German.

Well, this suggests that I still have 50% of the humor that I had had with 0% Asperger's German (the impairment by being German remains) which ought to be still sufficient to entertain standard TA'ers. :halo:

[Figaro]

Little bit woggier than me, and I am from Mediterranean Sea. It's because Balto-Slavs that expanded were least woggy people in Europe.

Ha, true. You guys are practically Yin and Yang.

Do you suppose the EEF and general med-levels differ throughout Switzerland? I believe at least part of his Swiss component is eastern Swiss and Italian Swiss.

[gixajo]

Well, this suggests that I still have 50% of the humor that I had had with 0% Asperger's German (the impairment by being German remains) which ought to be still sufficient to entertain standard TA'ers. :halo:

It is no coincidence that the person who described the syndrome and gave it its name was Austrian.:)

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.8832% / 0.04883224
68.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
30.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
1.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.5281% / 0.04528109
69.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
2.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
0.4 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.7336% / 0.05733612
65.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
33.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
1.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 4.8025% / 0.04802503
68.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
31.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Ritz06]

Target:
Distance: 4.6487% / 0.04648699
69.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
2.6 out-of-competition_exotics
0.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.9801% / 0.04980124
67.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
5.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Laredo]

Target: Laredo_scaled
Distance: 14.1841% / 0.14184068
37.0 out-of-competition_exotics:Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
31.8 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
3.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian
2.2 out-of-competition_exotics:SSA=Yoruba
2.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Iberomaurusian=MAR_Ib eromaurusian

[Feiichy]

least wog Croat from G25 collection:

Target: NW_Croat:Varazdin_scaled
Distance: 5.6205% / 0.05620474

56.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
43.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

woggiest Croat

Target: Bosnian_Croat:Livno_scaled
Distance: 6.2831% / 0.06283112

65.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
34.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
0.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Feiichy]

Ha, true. You guys are practically Yin and Yang.

Do you suppose the EEF and general med-levels differ throughout Switzerland? I believe at least part of his Swiss component is eastern Swiss and Italian Swiss.

Probably. Swiss are very woggy for central European standards. I saw some Swiss-German results and they were less wog than expected though, just your standard SW Germans. I think Swiss-Italians will be considerably more wog.

[Coastal Elite]

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 5.0670% / 0.05067000
53.0 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.8 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
3.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

Target: Daco_scaled
Distance: 5.0670% / 0.05067000
64.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
35.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[gixajo]

Anyway, these results are impossible, this calculator cannot be right, Afghans shouldn´t score any wog:

Target: Pashtun_Afghanistan_Paktia
Distance: 8.0653% / 0.08065334
59.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
20.4 out-of-competition_exotics
17.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
3.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: Pashtun_North_Afghanistan
Distance: 7.6281% / 0.07628078
55.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
22.2 out-of-competition_exotics
17.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
4.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Target: Pashtun_Northeast_Afghanistan
Distance: 8.7661% / 0.08766138
52.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
23.6 out-of-competition_exotics
20.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
3.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[PaulieVanZant]

Well, this suggests that I still have 50% of the humor that I had had with 0% Asperger's German (the impairment by being German remains) which ought to be still sufficient to entertain standard TA'ers. :halo:

Dont fret. We Germans are, depending on region, between 25 and 50% Aspie by default, so you`re still within reason. :P

[gixajo]

Dont fret. We Germans are, depending on region, between 25 and 50% Aspie by default, so you`re still within reason. :P

You almost seem "normal.":eek:

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.21790130 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.24790376 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.27700425 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
0.30766764 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian
0.37022965 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour
0.46495157 out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.48349269 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Iberomaurusian=MAR_Ib eromaurusian
0.51584520 out-of-competition_exotics:Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.61616440 out-of-competition_exotics:EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.62614568 out-of-competition_exotics:OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4
0.77737849 out-of-competition_exotics:SSA=Yoruba

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.2330% / 0.07232959
55.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
44.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.2330% / 0.07232959
47.6 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
38.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
8.2 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
6.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

[sacha]

Yeah, you are creating and defining a wog equivalent. I first thought of including South Asian HG as I consider it on the (wog) spectrum. But I refrained from it because I considered it to have an even higher wog equivalent than has super wog and I didn't want to mix assignments with notably different wog equivalents. How would you assess South Asian HG in that context? Leave it out of competition, I guess, as it could be too dangerous otherwise. :)

To be fair there is no standard definition. Wikipedia says it is a "dark skinned person," but I reject this because it is actually a feeling you have in your soul, and also I am wog so it can't be true. I don't know much about SAHG but it is not West Eurasian, I guess it is the super-super wog, if you would like to include it outside of exotics you have to go big or go home and give it like 5x or something

[PaulieVanZant]

You almost seem "normal.":eek:

My partial Rhineland background brings me down to only 43,75%. ;)

[Melkiirs]

Target: Milkaner_scaled(Ashkenazi+NW/NE-Euromix)
Distance: 5.7328% / 0.05732825
49.2 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
15.0 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
5.8 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian
2.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

Target: MilkanerDad_scaled(Ashkenazi)
Distance: 4.3254% / 0.04325420
46.8 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.8 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
16.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian
14.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
1.4 out-of-competition_exotics:EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
1.0 out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa

[gixajo]

My partial Rhineland background brings me down to only 43,75%. ;)

Perhaps it is because the waters of the Rhine come from the south.

[Katarzyna]

Hall of fame :party-smiley-006::party-smiley-006::party-smiley-006:
Everyone in the members sample list below 50% wog

https://i.ibb.co/n7ztDDQ/IMG-7618.jpg (https://ibb.co/tq8FbbY)

[Kess]

Just the here visible ones. I abused them all with DNA testing.

Do you have any Kurdish or Arab ancestors?

[yngviktor]

Target: Viktor_scaled
Distance: 5.3266% / 0.05326639
67.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
33.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.3969% / 0.02396892
44.8 out-of-competition_exotics
32.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
16.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
6.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Laredo]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.3969% / 0.02396892
44.8 out-of-competition_exotics
32.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
16.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
6.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

No native?

[Melkiirs]

No native?

He used aggregate so his Amerindian and SSA are grouped together.

[J. Ketch]

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 7.5032% / 0.07503229
55.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
44.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Just call me Con from now on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cliL5BJN2q8

[Flashball]

Dumb calculator.
Neither CHG and EEF (EEF are WHG shifted like AHG, but more) are "wog" (what a dumb term for low IQ or non-euro mixed peoples).

[oszkar07]

Target: Oazkar
Distance: 6.1852% / 0.06185206
58.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
41.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Rædwald]

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 5.5790% / 0.05578996
56.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
43.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 4.6812% / 0.04681193
70.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
30.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[mashail]

Target: Me
Distance: 12.8453% / 0.12845274
73.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
23.2 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
3.2 out-of-competition_exotics

[kingmob]

I win.



Target: kgmb_scaled
Distance: 3.7963% / 0.03796342
87.6 wog
12.4 non-wog





https://youtu.be/xXjdyv146jI?si=PbaiU8hes9eosasY

[DomitiusAurelian]

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 3.9747% / 0.03974668
71.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
11.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
11.2 MNG_Slab_Grave
5.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Katarzyna]

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 3.9747% / 0.03974668
71.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
11.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
11.2 MNG_Slab_Grave
5.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Wow :O

[DomitiusAurelian]

Wow :O

Make Anatolia Great Again

[Katarzyna]

Make Anatolia Great Again

Ur a wog :p

[DomitiusAurelian]

Ur a wog :p

Yeah, bonkers

[majevica]

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 5.4745% / 0.05474545
64.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
35.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Defcon2]

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 5.4250% / 0.05424975
67.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
3.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
1.6 out-of-competition_exotics

[cass]

Target: cass
Distance: 6.5088% / 0.06508827
53.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
46.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Ylla]

Distance: 4.1138% / 0.04113778
80.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
20.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 6.7152% / 0.06715248
58.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
41.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

𝔐𝔦𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔯𝔴𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔦𝔤, 𝔷𝔲𝔯 𝔙𝔢𝔯𝔫𝔦𝔠𝔥𝔱𝔲𝔫𝔤 𝔣𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔤𝔢𝔤𝔢𝔟𝔢𝔫!

[Mortimer]

Target: Svetozar_scaled
Distance: 4.2658% / 0.04265814
65.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
22.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
12.0 out-of-competition_exotics

[rothaer]

Target: Svetozar_scaled
Distance: 4.2658% / 0.04265814
65.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
22.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
12.0 out-of-competition_exotics

Oh, you do have real coords? I'd also be interested in aggregate: no in your case.

[Mortimer]

Oh, you do have real coords? I'd also be interested in aggregate: no in your case.

I do not know really what real cords are but mine were send to me by davidski the pole in email

Target: Svetozar_scaled
Distance: 4.2658% / 0.04265814
46.6 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
19.2 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
12.0 out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

[rothaer]

Dumb calculator.
Neither CHG and EEF (EEF are WHG shifted like AHG, but more) are "wog" (what a dumb term for low IQ or non-euro mixed peoples).

:p

This calculator is just the first step in order to put things on a somewhat factual basis.

The second step is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381540-Below-what-calculator-proportion-of-non-wog-is-someone-to-be-considered-a-wog&p=7905193&viewfull=1#post7905193

After Creoda - who also disliked my approach btw. - explained that Meds and MENAs are wogs and period it will likely cut France apart into a Mediterranean part and an other. So you could be particularly suitable to talk about the exact border. :cool:

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 6.0870% / 0.06086974
59.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
40.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: Nurzat_mom
Distance: 6.0208% / 0.06020818
64.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
35.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 5.1992% / 0.05199178
62.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
37.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Eurafricanid]

My europart is pretty wog:


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8712% / 0.03871198
71.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
1.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)



Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8712% / 0.03871198
60.4 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
8.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour
1.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian

[Katarzyna]

Wow comes everyone is wog except me?

Why aren’t the fellow non wogs (Vessna, Ugo, Julkka etc) joining?

[rothaer]

I do not know really what real cords are but mine were send to me by davidski the pole in email

Target: Svetozar_scaled
Distance: 4.2658% / 0.04265814
46.6 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
19.2 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
12.0 out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour

Davidski the Pole is the creator of G25 so he per definition sends real ones. :thumb001:

[rothaer]

Wow comes everyone is wog except me?

Why aren’t the fellow non wogs (Vessna, Ugo, Julkka etc) joining?

Because they want you to enjoy the "yellow trikot" as long as possible. :)

[rothaer]

My europart is pretty wog:


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8712% / 0.03871198
71.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
1.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)



Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8712% / 0.03871198
60.4 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
8.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour
1.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian

True but continuing your hitherto procedure you can simply participate with your "WHG/EHG part" (f. i.). :)

[Ugo]

super_wog :rotfl:

This calculator is maddening. Where are the Aryans?

Target: Ugo_scaled
Distance: 6.6587% / 0.06658655
52.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
47.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

[Katarzyna]

super_wog :rotfl:

This calculator is maddening. Where are the Aryans?

Target: Ugo_scaled
Distance: 6.6587% / 0.06658655
52.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
47.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.1480% / 0.07147990
50.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
49.8 wog(ENF+CHG)[/QUOTE]

Here you are, thanks for giving me some company :D currently it’s just us

[Nurzat]

A little bit woggier than I expected for my mostly British/Irish+some Swiss ancestry friend.

Target: CordedFriend
Distance: 6.7934% / 0.06793387
63.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
37.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

scores more wog than me and dad and we're... well, Romanians xD

maybe he's got more Southerly ancestry he doesn't know about

[Ugo]

Here you are, thanks for giving me some company :D currently it’s just us
CHG is not a wog. Wog is EEF.

[rothaer]

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.1480% / 0.07147990
50.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
49.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

Here you are, thanks for giving me some company :D currently it’s just us

This even makes me ponder if the whole story should be re-assessed. :)

Hitler experienced a related question when he came to Poltava and so many people were blond and blue eyed and all conditions were textbook Russian. He then came into pondering and said that it here should be thought of the necessity of aufsüden ("to up-south"; in nordicist circles there was the expression aufnorden ("to up-north") which meant to make a population more nordid which was connected with the expectation of achieving a higher level). This event is told in Henry Picker, Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier, Bonn 1951, I don't recall the page.

[rothaer]

CHG is not a wog. Wog is EEF.

We have to consult Creoda, the pope of Australian ethnic slurs. But I'm pretty sure that high-level CHGs like Georgians and Armenians are textbook wogs.

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.9210% / 0.07920963
51.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
48.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

[Vessna]

Wow comes everyone is wog except me?

Why aren’t the fellow non wogs (Vessna, Ugo, Julkka etc) joining?

Just posted mine 😉

[Ugo]

We have to consult Creoda the pope of Australian ethnic slurs. But I'm pretty sure that high-level CHGs like Georgians and Armenians are textbook wogs.
CHG is part of our Aryan genetics. EEF is some kind of foreign component in Europe. It is unclear how the Arab Sacha differs from the Spaniards.

[Kess]

CHG is part of our Aryan genetics. EEF is some kind of foreign component in Europe. It is unclear how the Arab Sacha differs from the Spaniards.

Don't worry glorious CHGs are conquering EEF lands.

[Abaddon]

CHG is part of our Aryan genetics.
You cannot put CHG and "Aryan" in the same sentence.


It is unclear how the Arab Sacha differs from the Spaniards.
Because she is not spaniard/european.

[Ugo]

Don't worry glorious CHGs are conquering EEF lands.
Be careful. EEF are very tricky. They have beautiful women and they will definitely try to ruin your genetics.

[Ugo]

You cannot put CHG and "Aryan" in the same sentence.


Because she is not spaniard/european.

I have about 14% CHG. And they all came to me from my steppe ancestors. EHG loved the humble women from CHG. But the smart-ass EEF gave us their daughters, who spoiled our oriental genetics. I want to tear my hair out at the thought of what our ancestors were like and what we have become now.

[Kess]

You cannot put CHG and "Aryan" in the same sentence.

And you can't put EEF anywhere near "Aryan"

[CrGrt]

Target: CR_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 4.8737% / 0.04873735
67.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
33.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[kingmob]

I have about 14% CHG. And they all came to me from my steppe ancestors. EHG loved the humble women from CHG. But the smart-ass EEF gave us their daughters, who spoiled our oriental genetics. I want to tear my hair out at the thought of what our ancestors were like and what we have become now.


https://i.ibb.co/ChDbzNp/16861423455034085.png

[Abaddon]

And you can't put EEF anywhere near "Aryan"

I dont put anything anywhere near a delusional term like "Aryan" :laugh:

[Eurafricanid]

True but continuing your hitherto procedure you can simply participate with your "WHG/EHG part" (f. i.). :)

I don't know what you mean here, since I'm a recent Euro/SSA mix.
Also, my Amerindian percentages get totally replaced by EHG with a bit of South Asian.

[Eurafricanid]

CHG is not a wog. Wog is EEF.

Both CHG and ANF (EEF is even less wog) have very similar amounts of Eurasian and Basal Eurasian admixture, so I don't even know where the nitpick is.

[rothaer]

I don't know what you mean here, since I'm a recent Euro/SSA mix.
Also, my Amerindian percentages get totally replaced by EHG with a bit of South Asian.

My statement with a smiley was meant as a joke.

[Eurafricanid]

My statement with a smiley was meant as a joke.

Oh! ok, I thought it was an ironic (gotcha) type of smiley usage.

[kingmob]

Both CHG and ANF (EEF is even less wog) have very similar amounts of Eurasian and Basal Eurasian admixture, so I don't even know where the nitpick is.


It's the local Russian shitposter trying to claim this as his 'pure' non-wog ancestor:


https://i.ibb.co/3fNdC1n/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-28-https-preview-redd-it-jsh19qvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png
https://i.ibb.co/VT9ST35/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-18-https-preview-redd-it-meblzqvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png
https://i.ibb.co/nBR4DJv/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-04-https-preview-redd-it-a8kbspvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png



Cognitive dissonance at its finest expression.

[Eurafricanid]

It's the local Russian shitposter trying to claim this as his 'pure' non-wog ancestor:


https://i.ibb.co/3fNdC1n/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-28-https-preview-redd-it-jsh19qvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png
https://i.ibb.co/VT9ST35/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-18-https-preview-redd-it-meblzqvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png
https://i.ibb.co/nBR4DJv/Screenshot-2024-02-03-at-21-16-04-https-preview-redd-it-a8kbspvesw871-jpg-width-1280-format-pjpg-aut.png



Cognitive dissonance at its finest expression.

What about this 100% Aryan no wog?

https://i.imgur.com/HghWOCr.jpg

The only one that's more Aryan than that are the Aryan masters themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/DzhzCvV.png

[Ugo]

You should have labelled EHG as "exotic". :thumb001:
For Spaniards, this is "super exotic". :D

[Ugo]

https://i.imgur.com/DzhzCvV.png
These reconstructions with Armenoid noses are complete nonsense. One thing is known, that blond hair and white skin belong to these people. Aryan traits began to spread in European populations a little later.

[kingmob]

What about this 100% Aryan no wog?

https://i.imgur.com/HghWOCr.jpg

The only one that's more Aryan than that are the Aryan masters themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/DzhzCvV.png



Samara dude looks pan-Southern. CHG looks like my grandpa.

[Eurafricanid]

These reconstructions with Armenoid noses are complete nonsense. One thing is known, that blond hair and white skin belong to these people. Aryan traits began to spread in European populations a little later.

It didn't belong to them. The mutations were present in the population as a whole, but most people would've been Armenoid like that, since they were basically half CHG and if you have seen a Georgian once in your life you'll know that they are mostly Armenoid, and also are the people with the most CHG.

[gixajo]

For Spaniards, this is "super exotic". :D

Fot any modern human being that lives just now EHG is exotic, even for you.

[kingmob]

These reconstructions with Armenoid noses are complete nonsense. One thing is known, that blond hair and white skin belong to these people. Aryan traits began to spread in European populations a little later.


No, I linked you above the allele markers. Yamnaya dudes were white with darker complexion than your mug and had black hair and brown eyes.

Now cope some more about it.

[Eurafricanid]

No, I linked you above the allele markers. Yamnaya dudes were white with darker complexion than your mug and had black hair and brown eyes.

Now cope some more about it.

Yes, the reason why modern Europeans with high Yamnaya are lighter is the mixing between EEF and Yamnaya and in the formation of the Corded Ware and Bell Breaker cultures, the lighter genes ended up being selected.

[kingmob]

Russians and other Pan-Slavists not having any note-worthy archaeology of their own, always tried to claim others, especially the southerners, it's no secret they fantasize themselves as some sort of "Third Rome", the re-incarnation of the Byzantine Empire, no accident since everything about their culture, language and script originates from their medieval contact with Constantinople.

The latest incarnation of this cope is the proliferation of these meme calculators.

Harvard and Planck, have recently blown their fantasies to smithereens, yet the seething remains as some sort of sad reverberating echo.

[Ugo]

The only one that's more Aryan than that are the Aryan masters themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/DzhzCvV.pngThis Aryan man, contrary to the fantasies and liberal tolerant reconstructions of the Euroafricanids and various wogs like kingmob, looked like this:
https://i.ibb.co/x2Xvp97/DzhzCvV2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Ugo]

Russians and other Pan-Slavists not having any note-worthy archaeology of their own, always tried to claim others, especially the southerners, it's no secret they fantasize themselves as some sort of "Third Rome", the re-incarnation of the Byzantine Empire, no accident since everything about their culture, language and script originates from their medieval contact with Constantinople.

The latest incarnation of this cope is the proliferation of these meme calculators.

Harvard and Planck, have recently blown their fantasies to smithereens, yet the seething remains as some sort of sad reverberating echo.
https://i.ibb.co/yn5PMgB/11335979.jpg (https://ibb.co/PZ4jb1z)

[Ugo]

Yes, the reason why modern Europeans with high Yamnaya are lighter is the mixing between EEF and Yamnaya and in the formation of the Corded Ware and Bell Breaker cultures, the lighter genes ended up being selected.
Europeans have blond hair and skin from ANE. EEF were black, and they remained so.

[Eurafricanid]

This Aryan man, contrary to the fantasies and liberal tolerant reconstructions of the Euroafricanids and various wogs like kingmob, looked like this:
https://i.ibb.co/x2Xvp97/DzhzCvV2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

More saturated? :joker000:

https://i.imgur.com/EO5f7t2.png :rolleyes:

[kingmob]

https://i.ibb.co/yn5PMgB/11335979.jpg (https://ibb.co/PZ4jb1z)


I take your childish tantrum as mere admission of defeat.

Now play along, boy.

[Eurafricanid]

Europeans have blond hair and skin from ANE. EEF were black, and they remained so.

I wasn't only talking about their hair, EEF had light skin and blue eyes genes.

[Jingle Bell]

No native?

EHG prob eated, EHG have a very strong ANE affinity and its comum to eat PaleoSiberian sources like Native American, im more abt 13/14%% Non wog in reality

[Jingle Bell]

Europeans have blond hair and skin from ANE. EEF were black, and they remained so.

https://i.imgur.com/pv4jVsc.png
Average Funnelbeaker "wog".

https://i.imgur.com/jETDEEY.png
Average "Blonde Aryan"

https://i.imgur.com/R0K1tzN.png
https://i.imgur.com/3eWEd0f.png
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi6941

[Ugo]

More saturated? :

No reconstructor can predict soft tissues. This Aryan was invented with big negroid lips and a huge fleshy tip of his nose.

[Laredo]

EHG prob eated, EHG have a very strong ANE affinity and its comum to eat PaleoSiberian sources like Native American, im more abt 13/14%% Non wog in reality

I see, mind trying this calculator? I'm curious of how much Jew or North African you would score.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310276-K25-Vahaduo-Calculator/page7

[Jingle Bell]

I see, mind trying this calculator? I'm curious of how much Jew or North African you would score.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310276-K25-Vahaduo-Calculator/page7

For sure, meu caro:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 5.5443% / 0.05544254
47.4 African
30.0 Iberian+Basques
8.8 Neolithic_Northern_Europe
5.0 Arabic
3.6 Brahui+Balochi
2.2 Amerindian
2.2 Yamnaya+Afanasievo+EHG
0.6 Neolithic_Farmers
0.2 Maltese+European_Jewish

The SSA sample seens bad:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.3456% / 0.01345583
44.6 SSA
17.4 Neolithic_Northern_Europe
13.4 Iberian+Basques
11.6 Arabic
8.0 Yamnaya+Afanasievo+EHG
2.0 Brahui+Balochi
1.8 Amerindian
1.2 Neolithic_Farmers

Using just the modern samples:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.5345% / 0.01534506
45.0 SSA
41.2 Iberian+Basques
9.2 Arabic
2.6 Amerindian
1.4 Semitic
0.6 Finnish


Much Better.

[rothaer]

https://i.imgur.com/pv4jVsc.png
Average Funnelbeaker "wog".


Yeah, the typical Anglo-Meditarranean core US American: socially smooth, smart and manipulative, extravert and superficial, looks matter the most, deceptive beauty surgeries do rocket and at any occasion everyone must knock at a glass and hold a contentless and well sounding speech in front of all others.

In an intra-European context to me this is pretty woggy. At least if you are from north of the Alps. :)

[Laredo]

For sure, meu caro:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 5.5443% / 0.05544254
47.4 African
30.0 Iberian+Basques
8.8 Neolithic_Northern_Europe
5.0 Arabic
3.6 Brahui+Balochi
2.2 Amerindian
2.2 Yamnaya+Afanasievo+EHG
0.6 Neolithic_Farmers
0.2 Maltese+European_Jewish

The SSA sample seens bad:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.3456% / 0.01345583
44.6 SSA
17.4 Neolithic_Northern_Europe
13.4 Iberian+Basques
11.6 Arabic
8.0 Yamnaya+Afanasievo+EHG
2.0 Brahui+Balochi
1.8 Amerindian
1.2 Neolithic_Farmers

Using just the modern samples:

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.5345% / 0.01534506
45.0 SSA
41.2 Iberian+Basques
9.2 Arabic
2.6 Amerindian
1.4 Semitic
0.6 Finnish


Much Better.

Pretty cool, I consider anything under 1% a noise, Is your Jewish normally the low? It's pretty cool for Mexico despite being a mestizo nation we have a Important Jewish contribution :thumb001:


Nvm I just read the bottom part

[Ugo]

https://i.imgur.com/pv4jVsc.png
Average Funnelbeaker "wog".

ANF/EEF had black eyes, black hair and very dark skin (the mummy of Ezi). We see about the same thing in modern Sardinians. People in Europe acquired light pigmentation after EHG entered Europe. Old as mammoth shit pictures from the Internet are fake.

[Jingle Bell]

Pretty cool, I consider anything under 1% a noise, Is your Jewish normally the low? It's pretty cool for Mexico despite being a mestizo nation we have a Important Jewish contribution :thumb001:


Nvm I just read the bottom part

Nope, i usually score a substancial MENA/Jewish, generally somewhere between 5% - 12% Depending of the sample, some part its from my SSA side (Berbers, Wolofs, Fulas, Males) but the rest its for sure from my Iberian.

Im:
44% - 48% SSA, generally when my SSA its hogh its bcs the samples have some MENA admix so my Jew lower
50% - 54% Iberian, when i score abt 50% its generally very Euro shifted samples with low MENA but in higher numbers its gets so MENA from my SSA
2% - 3,2% Native, when its too high its usually stoles some ANE from my Nothern admix in my Portuguese
My guess is that im porb abt 5% - 10% Jewish, but i never taked 23andme or AncestryDNA

[rothaer]

ANF/EEF had black eyes, black hair and very dark skin (the mummy of Ezi). We see about the same thing in modern Sardinians. People in Europe acquired light pigmentation after EHG entered Europe. Old as mammoth shit pictures from the Internet are fake.

TRB had "just" abt. 75% ENF and had undergone a notable selection for depigmentation. Without any notable EHG contribution. If there at that stage (TRB) was also a drift in mental traits compared to the source populations is hard to assess.

[Ugo]

I wasn't only talking about their hair, EEF had light skin and blue eyes genes.
Let's leave fantasies aside. ANF mixed with WHG and acquired the blue eye gene from them. Initially, they were Asians like Arabs. Here is a map of the well-known history of the formation of the European population. Everything is bright for Europeans from the east. Recently, even EEF's fair skin has been questioned. Ezi's mummy (EEF) was black.
https://i.ibb.co/2d2XMw2/Archaeogenetic-analysis-of-human-skin-pigmentation-in-Europe.jpg (https://ibb.co/SBTqm2T)

[Laredo]

Nope, i usually score a substancial MENA/Jewish, generally somewhere between 5% - 12% Depending of the sample, some part its from my SSA side (Berbers, Wolofs, Fulas, Males) but the rest its for sure from my Iberian.

Im:
44% - 48% SSA, generally when my SSA its hogh its bcs the samples have some MENA admix so my Jew lower
50% - 54% Iberian, when i score abt 50% its generally very Euro shifted samples with low MENA but in higher numbers its gets so MENA from my SSA
2% - 3,2% Native, when its too high its usually stoles some ANE from my Nothern admix in my Portuguese
My guess is that im porb abt 5% - 10% Jewish, but i never taked 23andme or AncestryDNA

I heard Ancestry DNA will expand South America soon, anyway I don't think further testing Is necessary with Gedmatch and Illustrative DNA Is enough.

[Kazimiera]

Will anyone run my data so that I can find out how wog I am?

[kingmob]

Let's leave fantasies aside. ANF mixed with WHG and acquired the blue eye gene from them. Initially, they were Asians like Arabs. Here is a map of the well-known history of the formation of the European population. Everything is bright for Europeans from the east. Recently, even EEF's fair skin has been questioned. Ezi's mummy (EEF) was black.
https://i.ibb.co/2d2XMw2/Archaeogenetic-analysis-of-human-skin-pigmentation-in-Europe.jpg (https://ibb.co/SBTqm2T)



Calls ANF blacks, links a map showing blue eyes and light skin in Levant.

Nice self-own right there, boy.

Peak clownshoes.

[Jingle Bell]

ANF/EEF had black eyes, black hair and very dark skin (the mummy of Ezi). We see about the same thing in modern Sardinians. People in Europe acquired light pigmentation after EHG entered Europe. Old as mammoth shit pictures from the Internet are fake.

Brah why u want Yamnayas to be pale and blond so bad
https://i.imgur.com/yHHR2vA.png
lol, u like or not the "black anatolians" werent so dark . . unlike ur "Supreme master race aryans" that seens pretty southern looking, not that be a "wog" its a bad thing, but i think its hurt to you that "aryans" looked more like that.

[kingmob]

Brah why u want Yamnayas to be pale and blond so bad
lol


That's the only thing going on for him, that and rancid alcohol.

[Jingle Bell]

I heard Ancestry DNA will expand South America soon, anyway I don't think further testing Is necessary with Gedmatch and Illustrative DNA Is enough.

I hope! I also im more interested in their genetic regions, to know more places from my Portuguese ancestors, until now i only got from MyHeritage and Genomelink: Portugal, Porto, Aveiro.

[Annihilus]

Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 3.1522% / 0.03152205
75.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
16.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
6.8 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
1.4 out-of-competition_exotics

mucho wog here

[Ugo]

Brah why u want Yamnayas to be pale and blond so bad
https://i.imgur.com/yHHR2vA.png
lol, u like or not the "black anatolians" werent so dark . . unlike ur "Supreme master race aryans" that seens pretty southern looking, not that be a "wog" its a bad thing, but i think its hurt to you that "aryans" looked more like that.
The thing is, you don't want to admit it. Here is a map of the origin of blonde hair/eyes/skin. Stop posting these unnecessary pictures from Google. Here's a map that will explain everything to you. Whether you want it or not.
https://i.ibb.co/M2NNXBt/1map.jpg (https://ibb.co/8K88hYf)

[Ugo]

Calls ANF blacks, links a map showing blue eyes and light skin in Levant.

Nice self-own right there, boy.

Peak clownshoes.
The Levant? It looks like the brain came to Europe from ANE too

[kingmob]

The thing is, you don't want to admit it. Here is a map of the origin of blonde hair/eyes/skin. Stop posting these unnecessary pictures from Google. Here's a map that will explain everything to you. Whether you want it or not.



Your map literally reads "origin of blue eyes" OCA2 42K ybp in the Levant, you muppet.

[Laredo]

I hope! I also im more interested in their genetic regions, to know more places from my Portuguese ancestors, until now i only got from MyHeritage and Genomelink: Portugal, Porto, Aveiro.

Make sense, keep In mind no test Is perfect when It comes to Latin Americans 23andme tends to overestimate the European a "bit" and gives a lot unassigned with Ancestry tends to overestimate a "bit" both African and Amerindian.

As previously Feiichy mentioned Ancestry Raw data at this point it's one of the best because of snps numbers specifically for Illustrative etc

[Jingle Bell]

The thing is, you don't want to admit it. Here is a map of the origin of blonde hair/eyes/skin. Stop posting these unnecessary pictures from Google. Here's a map that will explain everything to you. Whether you want it or not.
https://i.ibb.co/M2NNXBt/1map.jpg (https://ibb.co/8K88hYf)

Bruh u literally said that ANF are Western Asians and show a map where Light Skin & Blue eyes originated in West Asia.
Its a consent that Yamnaya (PIE) were tall, dark haired and eyed, intermediate or light brown skin and with minor more pale or more darker individuals, while yes the Anatolian Farmers/ANF were also similar in terms of skin, hair & eyes the European Farmer/ EEF principally the ones of Northern Europe (For example FunnelBeaker culture) were much lighter in average than Yamanyas, theres no discussion here, thats a fact, and yes u can see Yamnayas were part ANE which were supossed to be the firts blondes but Yamanya is 1/2 EHG, 2/5 CHG and the rest Levant-Iran N/ANF - related, bro theres no discussion abt that, Yamnayas werent pale, Corded Ware & Beakers were lighter than Yamnaya bcs they had FunnelBeaker/Northern EEF admixture, end.

[Ugo]

42 thousand years ago, Homo sapiens had just begun to populate Europe. Lol.

Your map literally reads "origin of blue eyes" OCA2 42K ybp in the Levant, you muppet.
https://i.ibb.co/5vdzSXL/ne-priznannyj-genij-v-seme.jpg (https://ibb.co/7VHTZxK)

[Laredo]

42 thousand years ago, Homo sapiens had just begun to populate Europe. Lol.

Everyone came from the black men, sorry to break It down to you but only Neanderthals were truly Indigenous to Europe.

[kingmob]

42 thousand years ago, Homo sapiens had just begun to populate Europe. Lol.



Origin of blonde hair: KITLG 18K ybp.

"Hur durr, mah Russian ancestors ..."

[Ugo]

Origin of blonde hair: KITLG 18K ybp.

"Hur durr, mah Russian ancestors ..."

This is the Paleolithic. Lol. I'm going to block you now. Think with your head at last.

[Katarzyna]

That one is probably the exile for everyone who scored above 50% wog

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?377632-EEF-ban-in-Europe

[kingmob]

This is the Paleolithic. Lol. I'm going to block you now. Think with your head at last.


Ah, the "Paleolithic", okay, why didn't you say so.

Because, you know most non-cognitive-damaged people reach out to the paleolithic for their cultural and ethnic identity.

Muppet.

[Voskos]

This thread is precisely the North-South version of Blondie's East-West thread, how typically German.

Rothaer laughing his ass out:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/048/871/7a2.gif

[Russki]

TRB had "just" abt. 75% ENF and had undergone a notable selection for depigmentation. Without any notable EHG contribution. If there at that stage (TRB) was also a drift in mental traits compared to the source populations is hard to assess.


Tbh, many TRB averages do score some Motala HG (who had a significant proportion of light hair and eyes), and this minority likely triggered the selection process in the newly formed population.

Claiming that modern NW Euros with a light pigmentation owe it to their EEF ancestors would be incorrect, as the process of selection of light traits was already ongoing in the midst of a Neolithic invasion, without their participation. Without their contribution modern people wouldn't be darker, but they would probably be much taller, with gigantic heads and wide jaws, as the European Hunter-Gatherers were supposedly much taller on average, with massive, wide, at at the same time dolichocephalic skulls (like the so called "Brunn" type). What the incoming EEF really contributed to the Motala people is in my opinion a smaller stature and smaller heads.

All this to me also means that pigmentation and other phenotypical traits in homogeneous populations with established genepool aren't linked to the proportions of ancestral contributions as much as they are linked to certain mutations and the frequencies of these mutations in various populations. For example, American anthropologist Coon believed the Neo-Danubian type of Ladogan extraction to be more common in Poland than in Russia, despite being aware of Russians having more recent interaction with Ladogan-like Finno-Ugric populations and expressively writing about it in his book.

[Kazimiera]

53.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
45.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
1.0 out-of-competition_exotics

[rothaer]

Tbh, many TRB averages do score some Motala HG (who had a significant proportion of light hair and eyes), and this minority likely triggered the selection process in the newly formed population.

Claiming that modern NW Euros with a light pigmentation owe it to their EEF ancestors would be incorrect, as the process of selection of light traits was already ongoing in the midst of a Neolithic invasion, without their participation. Without their contribution modern people wouldn't be darker, but they would probably be much taller, with gigantic heads and wide jaws, as the European Hunter-Gatherers were supposedly much taller on average, with massive, wide, at at the same time dolichocephalic skulls (like the so called "Brunn" type). What the incoming EEF really contributed to the Motala people is in my opinion a smaller stature and smaller heads.

All this to me also means that pigmentation and other phenotypical traits in homogeneous populations with established genepool aren't linked to the proportions of ancestral contributions as much as they are linked to certain mutations and the frequencies of these mutations in various populations. For example, American anthropologist Coon believed the Neo-Danubian type of Ladogan extraction to be more common in Poland than in Russia, despite being aware of Russians having more recent interaction with Ladogan-like Finno-Ugric populations and expressively writing about it in his book.

If we say that the Motala HG's were abt. 50% EHG then they would make up 12,5% in the Neolithic Scandinavian mixture with abt. 75% ENF. This I do not consider notable. But why do we speak about Scandinavia? If you have a look as for TRB then you see that TRB has hardly anything to do with Scandinavia (the Scandinavian peninsula)!

https://i.imgur.com/J7AFLZR.jpeg

The only occurance in Scandinavia is in Scania and that tiny fringe area of TRB will hardly have been the source of TRB but rather an expansion area. The prevalance of EHG in the TRB area ought to be close to zero.

To me the discussed happening shows that there was a notable selection process for depigmentaion in a particular area - essentially all around the Baltic Sea - regardless of the origin of the populations. For the forming of the physical traits I consider it even close to irrelevant who brought a particular mutation as long as that mutation was not notably selected for, because that mutation then was existent but also still exotic for that population. The game changer was the selection process.

Does your speculation what would have been without the ENF contribution apply to Lithuanians and Finns that do have low ENF?

Tbh I think that also such traits like mentioned by you are exposed to a permament selection process. Admittedly, the source populations matter but seen on 3000 years maybe even less than what you first would think as this population then anyhow is exposed to that particular selection process. I consider the said depigmentation process a good example for that.

[Katarzyna]

That is how an over 50% non wog looks like

https://i.ibb.co/pZDJ2tg/IMG-7643.jpg (https://ibb.co/BjDqLXm)

Probably wouldn’t fulfill Hitler’s Aryan standards ;)

[Laredo]

^ you look very Spanish to me.

[rothaer]

This thread is precisely the North-South version of Blondie's East-West thread, how typically German.

Rothaer laughing his ass out:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/048/871/7a2.gif

We simply love order, categorising and sorting. :p

[Melkiirs]

That is how an over 50% non wog looks like

Probably wouldn’t fulfill Hitler’s Aryan standards ;)

Eastern Norwegians the most pure Nordics would average just over 50% Wog here. You must be joking.

[Russki]

If we say that the Motala HG's were abt. 50% EHG then they would make up 12,5% in the Neolithic Scandinavian mixture with abt. 75% ENF. This I do not consider notable. But why do we speak about Scandinavia? If you have a look as for TRB then you see that TRB has hardly anything to do with Scandinavia (the Scandinavian peninsula)!

https://i.imgur.com/J7AFLZR.jpeg

The only occurance in Scandinavia is in Scania and that tiny fringe area of TRB will hardly have been the source of TRB but rather an expansion area. The prevalance of EHG in the TRB area ought to be close to zero.


[Assuming that the folks of the Northern and South-Eastern parts of the TRB culture were equally depigmented] The depigmentation process for light eyes was triggered by mutation inherited from the WHG contribution of the TRB people. Essentially, an older people from that area who were for the most part (75%) replaced. As for hair, it is to be checked if the TRB people were carriers of the rs12821256 allele (Afontova Gora 3 site). If I remember correctly, both EEF and WHG lacked the mutation responsible for light hair.

[Assuming that the folks of the Northern part of the TRB culture were more depigmented than those in the South-Eastern part] In this scenario the Motala people might have done their contribution.



To me the discussed happening shows that there was a notable selection process for depigmentaion in a particular area - essentially all around the Baltic Sea - regardless of the origin of the populations. For the forming of the physical traits I consider it even close to irrelevant who brought a particular mutation as long as that mutation was not notably selected for, because that mutation then was existent but also still exotic for that population. The game changer was the selection process.


This is correct.



Does your speculation what would have been without the ENF contribution apply to Lithuanians and Finns that do have low ENF?


Assessing the influence of an extinct population on its descendants is a highly speculative topic. It is fair however to say that the European Hunter-Gatherers were taller, bigger and stronger than the incoming farming population based on skeletical remnants.



Tbh I think that also such traits like mentioned by you are exposed to a permament selection process. Admittedly, the source populations matter but seen on 3000 years maybe even less than what you first would think as this population then anyhow is exposed to that particular selection process. I consider the said depigmentation process a good example for that.


In the case of a recently mixed population (for e.g. Latin Americans) the correlation between their physical and mental traits and the admixture components would be nearly 100% if they construct a calculator using their recent donor populations as sources (for e.g. Iberians, African Slaves, Native Americans).

[Katarzyna]

^ you look very Spanish to me.

Yes true. I look almost like the peak of EEF although I am the polar opposite

[Laredo]

Yes true. I look almost like the peak of EEF although I am the polar opposite

If I didn't knew you were Polish, I would've assume you are Atlanto med and Alpine. Btw how common are polish people with brown eyes? And what percentage would you estimate for your country?

[Katarzyna]

If I didn't knew you were Polish, I would've assume you are Atlanto med and Alpine. Btw how common are polish people with brown eyes? And what percentage would you estimate for your country?

According to statistics most Poles have blue eyes
https://i.ibb.co/wrJ1xgJ/IMG-7644.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

But that is only true for Poles from the north. Many poles who live in the nowadays northern Poland lived before WW2 in the south east and later had to leave the place and move to former Germany territories.

My mother has an even woggier look. While my look is more alpine she is even dinarized. That is why she passes best in the Balkans.

[rothaer]

(...) As for hair, it is to be checked if the TRB people were carriers of the rs12821256 allele (Afontova Gora 3 site). If I remember correctly, both EEF and WHG lacked the mutation responsible for light hair.

A good question.

I just checked here and if you scroll down to NW Asia Minor EN (this would fit to Barcin) you find two blond individuals: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

[Feiichy]

Yes true. I look almost like the peak of EEF although I am the polar opposite

You can easy pass in south Europe ofc, but you don't look really southern or wog. People are just clueless here. You look brunet central European and you and rothaer (who looks swarthy Slav) look similar, can be from same family xD

[retfala]

Target: retfala_scaled
Distance: 5.0427% / 0.05042696
63.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
36.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Katarzyna]

You can easy pass in south Europe ofc, but you don't look really southern or wog. People are just clueless here. You look brunet central European and you and rothaer (who looks swarthy Slav) look similar, can be from same family xD

Agree. I was slightly exaggerating it for demonstrations to show my point that low EEF doesn’t equal Nordic or pure Baltid phenotype.

[Feiichy]

Agree. I was slightly exaggerating it for demonstrations to show my point that low EEF doesn’t equal Nordic or pure Baltid phenotype.

Yeah. Nordic is even wog variant of northern look and that is why you can find many Nordics in southern Europe. Real non wog phenotype is East Baltic and you will hardly find any in the south except in areas with heavy Slavic input but even there it is pretty rare.

[Eurafricanid]

A good question.

I just checked here and if you scroll down to NW Asia Minor EN (this would fit to Barcin) you find two blond individuals: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

AKA, the mutations were already present, the same way they were in Yamnaya :joker000:

[Dimitri159]

Yeah. Nordic is even wog variant of northern look and that is why you can find many Nordics in southern Europe. Real non wog phenotype is East Baltic and you will hardly find any in the south except in areas with heavy Slavic input but even there it is pretty rare.

The realest non-wog types are Faelid and Borreby. The woggiest is Arabid. I feel bad for anybody who is Arabid, it’s over for them. Short, skinny, narrow jaw, weak chin, prey eyes, hook nose, etc.

[Eurafricanid]

Why did Ugo say that Otzi was black-skinned if it says here that his skin was light?

[Feiichy]

The realest non-wog types are Faelid and Borreby. The woggiest is Arabid. I feel bad for anybody who is Arabid, it’s over for them. Short, skinny, narrow jaw, weak chin, prey eyes, hook nose, etc.

Borreby is very common in the Balkans and even has variant named after it. It comes from north ofc.

East Baltic is more non wog than Faelid by far and genetically too.

Arabid can be metrically very similar to Nordic.

[Eurafricanid]

...
Arabid can be metrically very similar to Nordic.

How, so?

[Feiichy]

How, so?

How so? Both are narrow faced, narrow jawed and dolichocephalic. In Coon book one Yemeni was used as example of Arab who is metrically identical with Nordics from Europe.

[Catnip]

Target: Catnip
Distance: 4.9727% / 0.04972677
64.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
36.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Eurafricanid]

How so? Both are narrow faced, narrow jawed and dolichocephalic. In Coon book one Yemeni was used as example of Arab who is metrically identical with Nordics from Europe.

Yeah, but all mediterranimorphic types (I don't know if that's a real word but it get's my point across) are going to be like that aren't they? That's why I nitpick about them.

[Russki]

A good question.

I just checked here and if you scroll down to NW Asia Minor EN (this would fit to Barcin) you find two blond individuals: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/


Did the ANE participate in the ethnogenesis of the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers?

As far as I know, pretty much all light hair in modern Europeans is attributed to the rs12821256 (Afontova Gora 3 site). If these two individuals carry another allele responsible for their light hair, then it's an extinct line (dead end).

[Russki]

AKA, the mutations were already present, the same way they were in Yamnaya :joker000:


Whom are you clowning?

[Cybele]

Yes true. I look almost like the peak of EEF although I am the polar opposite

You remind me to a certain extent, of this half Moldovan, half Italian vlogger. You can pass in Romania too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeW_i8ZT92M


Target: Cybele(simulated)
Distance: 4.2729% / 0.04272891
67.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
32.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Proud wog woman.

[Eurafricanid]

Whom are you clowning?

My own thoughts.

[Eurafricanid]

Did the ANE participate in the ethnogenesis of the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers?

As far as I know, pretty much all light hair in modern Europeans is attributed to the rs12821256 (Afontova Gora 3 site). If these two individuals carry another allele responsible for their light hair, then it's an extinct line (dead end).

If it were this dead mutation, not present in modern populations, how whould they know that it's responsible for blond hair?

[Russki]

If it were this dead mutation, not present in modern populations, how whould they know that it's responsible for blond hair?


I do not know the exact methodology of phenotypical predictions for ancient populations. Essentially I do not create any new information and only spread what is already known to the scientific community.

You can provide an evidence that the known rs12821256 allele of ANE origin was present in Neolithic Anatolia. This will become the third known source for the penetration of this mutation into Europe, and second by the dating period.

1 (9000 ybp)

https://sun9-37.userapi.com/impg/igaHg6HKY1_q112g8MXQ5nYaJzu-4GaUpvXxVA/-nB0sgm3gc0.jpg?size=922x1125&quality=95&sign=db01e7664d6a45c8b9d5d24d4f1a4aa7&type=album

2 (8500-5800 ybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Expansion_of_farming_in_western_Eurasia%2C_9600%E2 %80%934000_BCE.png

3 (5300-4300 ybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/From_Corded_Ware_to_Sintashta.jpg


Not that the respective wiki article does mention only 1 and 3 being the carriers of the rs12821256 allele.

Ancient North Eurasian admixture is present in mesolithic fossils from Northern Europe, and is linked to the prediction of blond hair in stone-age Scandinavians by ancient DNA analysis.

Geneticist David Reich said that the hundreds of millions of copies of this SNP, the classic European blond hair mutation, entered continental Europe by way of a massive population migration from the Eurasian steppe, by a people who had substantial Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Genetics_of_blond_hair

[Mixdguy17]

The supreme wog-man

Target: Mixdguy17_scaled
Distance: 5.0793% / 0.05079260
47.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
24.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
21.0 out-of-competition_exotics
7.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Laredo]

I do not know the exact methodology of phenotypical predictions for ancient populations. Essentially I do not create any new information and only spread what is already known to the scientific community.

You can provide an evidence that the known rs12821256 allele of ANE origin was present in Neolithic Anatolia. This will become the third known source for the penetration of this mutation into Europe, and second by the dating period.

1 (9000 kybp)

https://sun9-37.userapi.com/impg/igaHg6HKY1_q112g8MXQ5nYaJzu-4GaUpvXxVA/-nB0sgm3gc0.jpg?size=922x1125&quality=95&sign=db01e7664d6a45c8b9d5d24d4f1a4aa7&type=album

2 (8500-5800 kybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Expansion_of_farming_in_western_Eurasia%2C_9600%E2 %80%934000_BCE.png

3 (5300-4300 kybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/From_Corded_Ware_to_Sintashta.jpg


Not that the respective wiki article does mention only 1 and 3 being the carriers of the rs12821256 allele.

Ancient North Eurasian admixture is present in mesolithic fossils from Northern Europe, and is linked to the prediction of blond hair in stone-age Scandinavians by ancient DNA analysis.

Geneticist David Reich said that the hundreds of millions of copies of this SNP, the classic European blond hair mutation, entered continental Europe by way of a massive population migration from the Eurasian steppe, by a people who had substantial Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Genetics_of_blond_hair

I'm not an expert when It comes to European origin populations, but If ANE Is responsible for the major contribution of blonde hair. Why Amerindians can't produce light hair?

Could've been a different ANE or something? Even among Australian aboriginals and Negritos from Papuan Guinea certain tribes also show blondism.

[Ugo]

I'm not an expert when It comes to European origin populations, but If ANE Is responsible for the major contribution of blonde hair. Why Amerindians can't produce light hair?

Could've been a different ANE or something? Even among Australian aboriginals and Negritos from Papuan Guinea certain tribes also show blondism.
Tarim mummies are 75% ANE and 0% EEF, they had blonde hair. Purebred Amerindians of North America have blonde hair, but this is rare.

[Ugo]

We simply love order, categorising and sorting. :p

However, is it difficult to part with Adolf's ideas? The Aryans found themselves on the other side of the conflict. Lol.

[Dimitri159]

Borreby is very common in the Balkans and even has variant named after it. It comes from north ofc.

East Baltic is more non wog than Faelid by far and genetically too.

Arabid can be metrically very similar to Nordic.

East Baltid is only the least non-wog because it is slightly Mongoloid-influenced. But the most white/European-exclusive types are Faelid and Borreby. Brad Pitt is the ideal European look.

Nordic is metrically similar to Arabid because Nordic is metrically similar to all Mediterranids. Arabid is literally a Mediterranean type according to most anthropologists. Nordic is just Mediterranean with blonde hair, a smaller nose and a bigger forehead.

[Dimitri159]

Yeah, but all mediterranimorphic types (I don't know if that's a real word but it get's my point across) are going to be like that aren't they? That's why I nitpick about them.

Because Arabid is a Mediterranean type.

[Katarzyna]

Yeah. Nordic is even wog variant of northern look and that is why you can find many Nordics in southern Europe. Real non wog phenotype is East Baltic and you will hardly find any in the south except in areas with heavy Slavic input but even there it is pretty rare.

I think East Baltic was also brought to Balkans and forming their own Balkanic variant, similar to Balkan Borreby.
You can find those East Baltic + depigmented Med phenotypes in Northern Croatia and even more in Slovenia.

Example: Slovene singer Marjetka Vovk was classified East Baltid + Med here
https://i.ibb.co/jZg86st/IMG-7645.jpg (https://ibb.co/tP8HmFR)

[rothaer]

That one is probably the exile for everyone who scored above 50% wog

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?377632-EEF-ban-in-Europe

Unfortunately it's too late to outsource the Vyatich acrobacy in order to save this thread.

While many threads in the past have been derailed into the "Balkan arena" this derailing now gets serious competition by the Vyatich acrobacy. What is most impressing is that while the "Balkan arena" was the creation of a team of Balkanites, the derailing Vyatich acrobacy is performed by a drunk singleton.

I've always been sceptical of the black-and-white assessment of alcohol. I don't promote that we all should be drunk. But alcohol is an ambigous thing. The German very successful rock singer Udo Lindenberg once stated that all his greatest hits were invented while being drunk and later re-viewed when sober. So some kind of internal task sharing. :) I'm staying tuned for Vyatich's future sober re-view and I'm actually pretty sure that he as a "turbo Russian" does survive the permanent level of 2-3 promille without too much physical damage while even the average European would have been long dead. His DNA has been selected for respective tolerance for at least 2,000 years. :old

[Kenshiro]

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.7420% / 0.02742039 | ADC: 0.25x RC
80.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
19.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.7307% / 0.02730739
79.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
19.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
0.8 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
The distance are also not more distant

[rothaer]

I think East Baltic was also brought to Balkans and forming their own Balkanic variant, similar to Balkan Borreby.
You can find those East Baltic + depigmented Med phenotypes in Northern Croatia and even more in Slovenia.

Example: Slovene singer Marjetka Vovk was classified East Baltid + Med here
https://i.ibb.co/jZg86st/IMG-7645.jpg (https://ibb.co/tP8HmFR)


An optically beautiful woman.

As wendisch/windisch refers to indigenous to the German sphere, not to say Germany, Slavs, our proximity - or even commonality - can be agreed to. :halo:

[rothaer]

You can easy pass in south Europe ofc, but you don't look really southern or wog. People are just clueless here. You look brunet central European and you and rothaer (who looks swarthy Slav) look similar, can be from same family xD

Nobody dares to give thumb up ;) but I never denied the general relatedness of neighbouring people.

[rothaer]

Eastern Norwegians the most pure Nordics would average just over 50% Wog here. You must be joking.

Hardly. A Western Norwegian scores exactly like an Eastern German in these terms. An Eastern Norwegian may have somewhat less ENF but he would just in exceptional cases hit the 50% non-wog. To the north this is more possible, but if you get too much Saami your figures for non-wog (here defined as EHG+WHG) gets limited by exotic contributuions in the same amount as ENF decreases.

Btw. the nordid shape is essentially ENF and hence wog.

[rothaer]

AKA, the mutations were already present, the same way they were in Yamnaya :joker000:

Likely, yes. They were likely present in most populations. So this is a more banal and irrelevant thing. The crucial thing is the later selection for it.

[rothaer]

Did the ANE participate in the ethnogenesis of the Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers?

As far as I know, pretty much all light hair in modern Europeans is attributed to the rs12821256 (Afontova Gora 3 site). If these two individuals carry another allele responsible for their light hair, then it's an extinct line (dead end).

This particular question I can not answer. But I saw that a stunning high proportion of Iron Gate HGs exhibited blond hair. And they are said to have notable contributed to the Anatolian HG and later ENF. No idea about the exact SNP's though.

Btw. we still don't know the reason for a blond hair selection around the Baltic Sea. It may very well be a co-selection that has nothing directly to do with a depigmentation.

[rothaer]

However, is it difficult to part with Adolf's ideas? The Aryans found themselves on the other side of the conflict. Lol.

Nothing of that is plainly un-understandable, ofc.

Hitler's ideas on this topic were essentially restricted to a Jewish - non-Jewish ("Aryan") antagonism. He was not notably into subraces and did connect to this just to an extent that was suitable as this was a popular thing at that time. He was not that stupid and did also look into the mirror. Neither the National Socialism per se, nor Goebbles, Göring, Heß, Speer were into nordicism but Himmler was it fanatically.

I do somewhat sigh to this topic.

Things are not black and white and I think that also the presented by me calculator is not binary but shows - by showing figures - all shades of grey so to say.

[Feiichy]

I think East Baltic was also brought to Balkans and forming their own Balkanic variant, similar to Balkan Borreby.
You can find those East Baltic + depigmented Med phenotypes in Northern Croatia and even more in Slovenia.

Example: Slovene singer Marjetka Vovk was classified East Baltid + Med here
https://i.ibb.co/jZg86st/IMG-7645.jpg (https://ibb.co/tP8HmFR)


We ven have pure East Baltics like that NW Croat I dated, he looks Russian or Latvian. There are even people with Lappid and Uralid traits, but all that is ofcourse very rare.

Here is brunet north Croat with Lappid like features.

https://static.jutarnji.hr/images/live-multimedia/binary/2016/4/9/23/539181.bin.jpg

[rothaer]

East Baltid is only the least non-wog because it is slightly Mongoloid-influenced. But the most white/European-exclusive types are Faelid and Borreby. Brad Pitt is the ideal European look.

Nordic is metrically similar to Arabid because Nordic is metrically similar to all Mediterranids. Arabid is literally a Mediterranean type according to most anthropologists. Nordic is just Mediterranean with blonde hair, a smaller nose and a bigger forehead.

Nah, it's not mongolid influenced. That theory has been dropped by racial science in the 1920s already. What is true is that you have some shape commonality between mongolid, east baltid and alpinid. After the Ignimbrite at abt. 39,100 ybp that terminated most human existence in Mediterranean Europe, Europe was re-settled from the east. And at the bottom line Europe can be summarised as being the biggest peninsula of Asia. These commonalities are not due to an mongolid influence but due to a deep common ancestry of mongolids and Europeans.

[Feiichy]

Nobody dares to give thumb up ;) but I never denied the general relatedness of neighbouring people.

and again posting your Lithuanian lookalike who has black hair but is total non wog. He will be under 50% wog on this calculator.

https://hajduk.hr/sadrzaj/slike-za-vijesti/800x400/2021-01-04-08-53-5573-.JPG

[Katarzyna]

and again posting your Lithuanian lookalike who has black hair but is total non wog. He will be under 50% wog on this calculator.

https://hajduk.hr/sadrzaj/slike-za-vijesti/800x400/2021-01-04-08-53-5573-.JPG

Agree. He falls under the “Katarzyna, rothaer and other dark haired Slavs” aesthetics. :)

[rothaer]

and again posting your Lithuanian lookalike who has black hair but is total non wog. He will be under 50% wog on this calculator.

https://hajduk.hr/sadrzaj/slike-za-vijesti/800x400/2021-01-04-08-53-5573-.JPG

There's nothing to oppose. Could be me, kind of.

Considering his doubtless expressly "un-Med" genetics as a Lithuanian it's funny how many people out there in a simplifying way think that "dark must be south". :shrug:

[Katarzyna]

There's nothing to oppose. Could be me, kind of.

Considering his doubtless expressly "un-Med" genetics as a Lithuanian it's funny how many people out there in a simplifying way think that "dark must be south". :shrug:

True. And on the other hand there are a lot of blonde and blue eyed Balkanites and Spaniards who are around 20% more wog than us

[Jingle Bell]

How so? Both are narrow faced, narrow jawed and dolichocephalic. In Coon book one Yemeni was used as example of Arab who is metrically identical with Nordics from Europe.

Yeah i noticed a strong metrucal overlap btw Hallsttat, Gracile-Med, Atlanto-Med, Arabid, Iranid . . . Almost all narrow face, not robust, dolico-mes, prominent occiput just diferent pigmentation

[Eurafricanid]

and again posting your Lithuanian lookalike who has black hair but is total non wog. He will be under 50% wog on this calculator.

https://hajduk.hr/sadrzaj/slike-za-vijesti/800x400/2021-01-04-08-53-5573-.JPG

He reminds me of Gallop :)

[Eurafricanid]

Because Arabid is a Mediterranean type.

Mediterranid, Arabid, Iranid, Indid, Nordid, Ethiopid, even Nesiotid (Polynesid) are all Mediterranomorphic types and all share all these same overlapping characteristics.

[Feiichy]

He reminds me of Gallop :)

I disagree; Gallop has clear SW European/French features.

[kingmob]

What does this have to do with anything?


He's a coward so he has to hide behind his complexion and his slurs.

[Mixdguy17]

Lmao did our comments just get deleted? wtf lol

[Eurafricanid]

Lmao did our comments just get deleted? wtf lol

Yeah, wow, (except for kingmob's)

[Laredo]

I disagree; Gallop has clear SW European/French features.

Looks pseudo Dinarid to me :P xD

[axel.aleman]

Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.0697% / 0.03069742
28.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
25.8 SSA
20.6 South_Eastern_Native
14.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
9.6 East_Asian
1.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Ghitza von Pigsty]

Target: GVP_scaled
Distance: 4.4566% / 0.04456598
65.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
32.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
2.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

WOG is the new NOG :DD

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 4.6633% / 0.04663312
63.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
28.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
5.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
2.0 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 4.4849% / 0.04484939
62.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
28.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
7.0 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
2.4 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 4.9048% / 0.04904787
64.8 wog(ENF+CHG)
29.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
3.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
2.0 out-of-competition_exotics

[ScandinavianCelt]

I believe I was closest to @Raewald with 56.6% wog, but that would have to be my very ancient result, so when is the time period threshold on this?

[Kiel]

Target: Kiel_scaled
Distance: 5.3188% / 0.05318835
61.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
38.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Lot of wog

[Albannach]

Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 7.6065% / 0.07606459
55.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
44.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna’s fbuddy_scaled
Distance: 9.4405% / 0.09440526
53.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
47.0 wog(ENF+CHG)

[RyoHazuki]

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 6.1126% / 0.06112637
59.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
41.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 7.6760% / 0.07676035
58.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
41.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

https://i.imgur.com/KSRPKVU.png

[Balboa]

Target: Balboa
Distance: 2.4651% / 0.02465054
86.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
13.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Flashball]

Target: Balboa
Distance: 2.4651% / 0.02465054
86.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
13.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

What's your g25?

[Fabricius]

Target: Fabricius_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.5579% / 0.03557923
62.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
28.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
6.0 out-of-competition_exotics
3.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

Distance to: Fabricius_g25_scaled
0.16809480 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.23840004 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Natufian=Levant_Natuf ian
0.26562374 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
0.29897168 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
0.40045869 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour
0.41219140 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Iberomaurusian=MAR_Ib eromaurusian
0.43965157 out-of-competition_exotics:S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
0.51000601 out-of-competition_exotics:Amerind=RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.60005077 out-of-competition_exotics:EA=RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.60235486 out-of-competition_exotics:OHG=AUS_Willandra_Lakes_WLH4
0.70350579 out-of-competition_exotics:SSA=Yoruba

[R1b-L51]

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 4.6509% / 0.04650852
67.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
27.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
5.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
0.2 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 4.6509% / 0.04650852
56.0 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
11.0 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
9.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour
5.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus):Iberomaurusian=MAR_Ib eromaurusian
0.2 out-of-competition_exotics:SSA=Yoruba

[AndreiDNA]

Origin of blonde hair: KITLG 18K ybp.

"Hur durr, mah Russian ancestors ..."

The thing is, this KITLG variant thats labeled as the origin of blond hair is actually really insignificant in terms of effect on hair color. Meanwhile OCA2/HERC2 is the #1 contributor to hair color.

[AndreiDNA]

I do not know the exact methodology of phenotypical predictions for ancient populations. Essentially I do not create any new information and only spread what is already known to the scientific community.

You can provide an evidence that the known rs12821256 allele of ANE origin was present in Neolithic Anatolia. This will become the third known source for the penetration of this mutation into Europe, and second by the dating period.

1 (9000 ybp)

https://sun9-37.userapi.com/impg/igaHg6HKY1_q112g8MXQ5nYaJzu-4GaUpvXxVA/-nB0sgm3gc0.jpg?size=922x1125&quality=95&sign=db01e7664d6a45c8b9d5d24d4f1a4aa7&type=album

2 (8500-5800 ybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Expansion_of_farming_in_western_Eurasia%2C_9600%E2 %80%934000_BCE.png

3 (5300-4300 ybp)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/From_Corded_Ware_to_Sintashta.jpg


Not that the respective wiki article does mention only 1 and 3 being the carriers of the rs12821256 allele.

Ancient North Eurasian admixture is present in mesolithic fossils from Northern Europe, and is linked to the prediction of blond hair in stone-age Scandinavians by ancient DNA analysis.

Geneticist David Reich said that the hundreds of millions of copies of this SNP, the classic European blond hair mutation, entered continental Europe by way of a massive population migration from the Eurasian steppe, by a people who had substantial Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond#Genetics_of_blond_hair

The thing is, the rs12821256 is completely irrelevant for hair color.
Did you know that only 1% of Estonians have two derived variants in this variation?
Are only 1% of estonians blond?
The impact this variation has on hair color is miniscule, and is nothing compared to the impact OCA2/HERC2 have on hair color.

[vägev]

Target: vägev_scaled
Distance: 6.7745% / 0.06774463
56.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
43.8 wog(ENF+CHG)

[JerryS.]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 6.6194% / 0.06619374
60.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
39.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

I don't get. I'm 75% plus North Sea... how is that wog?

[vägev]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 6.6194% / 0.06619374
60.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
39.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

I don't get. I'm 75% plus North Sea... how is that wog?

High farmer + CHG ancestry, low EHG + WHG. Neolithic farmers and CHG were not indigenous to Europe.

[majevica]

High farmer + CHG ancestry, low EHG + WHG. Neolithic farmers were not indigenous to Europe.

The only indigenous Europeans here would be the WHG

EHG's are Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) mostly and less West Eurasian/Caucasoid in ancestry than Anatolian Farmers, with Haplogroup R even being East Eurasian in origin

[vägev]

Both Western Hunter-Gatherers and Eastern Hunter-Gatherers represent the main distinctions of early European populations.
These populations laid the foundation for modern European genetics.

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 5.4083% / 0.05408267
76.0 wog(ENF+CHG)
14.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
6.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
3.0 out-of-competition_exotics

[majevica]

Both Western Hunter-Gatherers and Eastern Hunter-Gatherers represent the main distinctions of early European populations.
These populations laid the foundation for modern European genetics.

Populations which laid the foundation for modern European genetics are EEF (ANF/WHG mix) and Yamnaya (EHG/CHG mix). There is no modern European without ANF or CHG

EHG was not a relevant component in vast parts of Europe until Yamnaya invasion, which occured later than ANF migration

Looking at some Central European Farmer sample from Stuttgart for example you will only find ANF mixed with WHG, no EHG

[Anatolya]

Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 4.7658% / 0.04765798
72.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
12.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
9.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
5.2 out-of-competition_exotics

[leachim_x]

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 6.3975% / 0.06397544
59.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
40.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[vader]

Target: Cynetes_scaled
Distance: 3.9303% / 0.03930251
66.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
28.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
4.4 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)
0.8 out-of-competition_exotics

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 18.9160% / 0.18915997
50.6 out-of-competition_exotics
25.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
20.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
3.6 super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus)

[Highwayman]

58.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
41.6 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Julkka]

Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 6.4135% / 0.06413503
57.2 non-wog(WHG+EHG)
38.4 wog(ENF+CHG)
4.4 out-of-competition_exotics

[phylloxera]

wog(ENF+CHG) 57.8
non-wog(WHG+EHG) 33.0
out-of-competition_exotics 8.2
super_wog(Natuf+Iberomaurus) 1.0

less woggy and exotic than I thought, but I would still consider myself a wog

[Vive_Dylan]

Target: Dylan_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 4.8995% / 0.04899496
66.2 wog(ENF+CHG)
33.8 non-wog(WHG+EHG)

[Dorquest]

Aggregate:

Target: Dorquest_scaled
Distance: 7.4910% / 0.07491013
59.6 wog(ENF+CHG)
40.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG)


Non-Aggregate:

Target: Dorquest_scaled
Distance: 7.4910% / 0.07491013
49.2 wog(ENF+CHG):ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
32.4 non-wog(WHG+EHG):EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
10.4 wog(ENF+CHG):CHG=GEO_CHG
8.0 non-wog(WHG+EHG):WHG=LUX_Loschbour