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European blood
12-13-2011, 07:26 PM
NOVA CRNJA, Serbia (Reuters) - Pera Milankov is literally paying people to stay and have babies in Nova Crnja.

Trying to stem a declining birthrate and exodus out of the town on Serbia's northern border, the mayor has offered free school buses and free medical check-ups for children, as well as 200 euros for every newborn.

To no avail. Since 2002, Nova Crnja has lost 20 percent of its population, or almost 2,500 people, driven away by the closure of processing plants for sugar and sunflower oil, an ethanol producer and factories for meat and canned foods.

"It has all collapsed since the nineties," said Milankov. "And without new jobs, people have no reason to stay."

Alarmingly for this Balkan country, once the dominant republic of socialist Yugoslavia but now landlocked and impoverished, Nova Crnja is not alone.

Serbia has lost more than 377,000 people -- 5 percent of its population -- over the past nine years, according to the results of its most recent census released last month.

The statistics show a migration from village to city as Serbs abandon rural life in search of jobs.

Most graphically, though, it is evidence of the toll taken by a decade of war and isolation under late Serb strongman Slobodan Milosevic, and the country's painful transition since his overthrow in 2000.

Hundreds of thousands were driven to flee in the nineties in search of a better life, choosing to raise their children abroad. Those who stayed are often too poor to have large families.

"In Serbia, people are taking more and more (anti-anxiety drug) Bensedin, and having fewer and fewer babies," commentator Zoran Lukovic wrote in the Serbian daily Blic.

The government has called the results "worrying and alarming."

"The state must react with an active population policy," said Serbia's minister for labor and social policy, Rasim Ljajic.

AGEING POPULATION

Of 157 municipalities such as Nova Crnja, just 22 registered population growth.

Of 23 cities, only three -- the capital Belgrade, Novi Sad in the north and Novi Pazar, a trading hub in the southwest -- have more people than in 2002.

"An entire belt of municipalities from the northeastern boundaries with Romania and Hungary to the southeastern borders with Bulgaria and Macedonia has shown negative growth," said Snezana Lapcevic, head of Serbia's state census office.

An estimated 700,000 people poured out of Serbia during the nineties as Yugoslavia collapsed in conflicts in Croatia, Bosnia and finally Kosovo.

The overwhelming majority were young. In search of jobs, they settled in western Europe, Canada and the United States to raise families.

Those left behind face an official unemployment rate of 22 percent and an average salary of 380 euros per month.

The transition to a market economy has seen many once-subsidized factories close and public sector workers laid off.

The trend towards small families has driven up the average age to 42.

"In eastern Serbia the key problem is that most of the people have passed their reproductive age," said Dragan Vukmirovic, head of Serbia's state statistics office.

"I'm worried. The number of totally depopulated settlements is on the rise."

MATCHMAKING PARTIES

Democrats who overthrow Milosevic say they have launched infrastructure and investment projects to stimulate growth in rural areas and stem the outflow of people.

But critics say efforts have been ad hoc at best.

In the central Serbian municipality of Jagodina, larger-than-life mayor Dragan 'Palma' Markovic organized matchmaking parties and a five-day holiday in Greece for bachelors and unmarried women over the age of 38.

Jagodina has 301 more people than in 2002, but it's the exception.

In the southern municipality of Trgoviste, bachelors clubbed together in 2006 to search for brides from the former Soviet Union.

"We really wanted to marry, but no girl wanted to live in the middle of nowhere, so now I'm planning to leave," said a 47-year-old mechanic, who gave his name as Dragan.

Under Yugoslavia, Trgoviste received subsidies from the state as an underdeveloped region. Since then, local businesses, including a footwear factory and a food packaging plant, have collapsed, leaving hundreds unemployed.

"We lost about 1,200 souls in nine years," said Trgoviste's deputy mayor, Dragan Krstic. "The total population of the municipality plunged from 14,400 in 1961 to 5,200 now."

Krstic said of 70 packages of diapers and baby products to be given out by local authorities for newborn babies through the year, 47 have yet to be used.

"Having a baby is a luxury," said Snezana Ostojic, a waitress in the southwestern town of Cacak.

"Diapers, baby food, clothes ... they're expensive. And women are discouraged from having babies because they're getting sacked as soon as they get pregnant, so why bother?"

In Nova Crnja, 59-year-old Marija Grubanov said she last went to a wedding a year ago.

"It was my son's best friend," she said. "He got married, and immediately moved to Australia."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/serbia-loss-stop-population-decline-174852453.html

workersliberation
12-16-2011, 07:22 PM
an average salary of 380 euros per month.

Bold lie. Everyone know that one average Serb, if employed is working for 200-250 euros per month.

Phil75231
12-17-2011, 06:54 AM
Serbia's declining birth rate is pretty much in line with most other Western nations. If other nations had a difficult time reversing the decline, then Serbia is likely to have an equally difficult time on its hands. In fact, the only economically advanced nation I know of whose birth rate is at least matching its death rate is the USA. Even then, its due largely to a high Hispanic birth rate. So Serbia's in the same boat as the rest of The West (however you define "West").

Contra Mundum
12-17-2011, 09:21 AM
NATO's vicious attack on the Serbians is probably the most responsible for this.

Phil75231
12-17-2011, 02:41 PM
NATO's vicious attack on the Serbians is probably the most responsible for this.

Serbia's population in 1999 (the year of the bombing): 7.54 million source (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:SRB&dl=en&hl=en&q=serbia+population)

5% of that is about 377,000.

Human Rights Watch (not a US Govt mouthpiece, but one that writes many more critical reviews of Israel's record than Syria's and Saudi Arabia's, if that makes any difference). Even the highest casualty figure given by the Yugoslav government itself was nowhere near six-digit figures.

On July 14, Milovan Zivkovic, director of the Federal Office of Statistics, said at press conference that "estimations [of] about 1,200 killed have appeared, and some sources talk about more than 5,000 victims, some go even up to 18,000."[note]33 (Source: Human Rights Watch (http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2000/nato/Natbm200-01.htm))

18,000 at most. That's not even 1/20 of the 5% figure.

Population Changes: 1999-2010 (all sources from google.com Public Data [ simply enter "population of [country's name here]", then click on the graph])

HUNGARY: -2.2%
CROATIA: -2.8%
B & H: Rose from 99 to 03, but declining since 03
ROMANIA: -4.5%
BULGARIA: -8.1%
MACEDONIA: Rose in all years.

So it seems Serbia's decline, though troublesome, is not strikingly different from its neighbors. Kind of hard to pin this one on the war, though I certainly don't trivialize the extent to which civilians suffer - as in all wars. All I'm saying is that Serbia and most of its neighbors are merely reflecting a general European (and economically advanced world too) trend - widespread lower birth rates and population decline.

Lorene
12-17-2011, 02:45 PM
^^ But still a criminal act on a civilian population.

Phil75231
12-17-2011, 02:55 PM
^^ But still a criminal act on a civilian population.

Irrelevant to the population decline figures. The moral and legal issues surrounding the war are an entirely separate issue.

Drawing-slim
12-17-2011, 11:50 PM
NATO's vicious attack on the Serbians is probably the most responsible for this.Sure, the bombing could be a factor on their impotance. Now they canot rape and kill so they no longer get turned on and pro-create living in peace.

(Unlike your theory mine makes sense at least:D)

Guapo
12-18-2011, 03:39 AM
Sure, the bombing could be a factor on their impotance. Now they canot rape and kill so they no longer get turned on and pro-create living in peace.

(Unlike your theory mine makes sense at least:D)

stop posting your lies in the Serbian subforum already, islamic filth. Get a life. Long live bacon and booze! Mohammed was a fag!

Drawing-slim
12-18-2011, 04:09 AM
stop posting your lies in the Serbian subforum already, islamic filth. Get a life. Long live bacon and booze! Mohammed was a fag!
Cheers to that, what do i give a fuck if muhomad was a fag.
And why bacon and booze would scare me!?

But you canot disprove my theory that most psycho sdaistic rapist killers are driven mad because of their impotance.

So as soon as serbs are forced to live in peace the resutls clrealy show on decline of population.

Its the equevolance of forcing marque de sade to lead a happy normal merriage life. Thats just not gone happened, so lets just blame the albanians and the bombing:rolleyes:
:D

Phil75231
12-18-2011, 04:45 AM
A M A Z I N G !!!!!!

I simply make one rational commentary about Serbia's decline being generally reflective of the rest of the Balkans and even Europe in general....and I feel like I'm back in 1999!!!! Even a post about Bulgarian toenail clippings'd turn into a Battle Royal !!!

You all can HAVE this thread! I'm through commenting on ANYTHING even remotely Balkan! Too bad. I might have more interesting things to say about your region.

Drawing-slim
12-18-2011, 05:36 AM
A M A Z I N G !!!!!!

I simply make one rational commentary about Serbia's decline being generally reflective of the rest of the Balkans and even Europe in general....and I feel like I'm back in 1999!!!! Even a post about Bulgarian toenail clippings'd turn into a Battle Royal !!!

You all can HAVE this thread! I'm through commenting on ANYTHING even remotely Balkan! Too bad. I might have more interesting things to say about your region.I can actually understand your frustration.
I apologise on belalf of serbian drama queen propoganda.
Here is my prove: germans commited crimes holocoust etc.
After they lost germans eccepted their wrongs and took the loss like men. Even offered and paid war demages to the victims. And moved on to thrive and co-exist in peace with the rest of the world.
Serbs however, still try to play they're victims, forget about apologising. This simplistic dumb game of theirs its insulting to any intelligent human on the planet, more then anything else.

And now im gone get the usual cheap replys from them" bla bla muslim scum bla bla bla"
So its hard to be rational with these people.

The Journeyman
12-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Sure, the bombing could be a factor on their impotance. Now they canot rape and kill so they no longer get turned on and pro-create living in peace.

(Unlike your theory mine makes sense at least:D)

An Albanian would know.

Don't mind the fact that Albanians prostitute and molest their own children in record rates. Maybe that's how you turned out to be such a twat face.

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/jpc/echoes/echoes-20-06.html

Drawing-slim
12-18-2011, 11:35 AM
An Albanian would know.

Don't mind the fact that Albanians prostitute and molest their own children in record rates. Maybe that's how you turned out to be such a twat face.

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/jpc/echoes/echoes-20-06.htmlYou're such a despetate fool.
Take a long walk forrest, will do you good:D

Guapo
12-18-2011, 01:14 PM
An Albanian would know.

Don't mind the fact that Albanians prostitute and molest their own children in record rates. Maybe that's how you turned out to be such a twat face.

http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/jpc/echoes/echoes-20-06.html

True, most albanians are inbred.

The Journeyman
12-18-2011, 01:42 PM
You're such a despetate fool.
Take a long walk forrest, will do you good:D

Sorry Im not sure what you meant, but tell your mom I appreciate the blowjobs.

Drawing-slim
12-18-2011, 09:35 PM
but tell your mom I appreciate the blowjobs.

Sorry, Is this supose to be funny in some serbian world!?
Jesus lord in heaven, what a fucking dumb ppopulation!:D

Drawing-slim
12-18-2011, 09:53 PM
True, most albanians are inbred.Your impotance has effected you humour also, suks for you

The Journeyman
12-19-2011, 04:17 PM
Sorry, Is this supose to be funny in some serbian world!?
Jesus lord in heaven, what a fucking dumb ppopulation!:D

But really, only a complete idiot would get banned from TA then come back under a different name to continue doing the same thing that got him banned in the first place.

That's what I call dumb.

Guapo
12-20-2011, 09:27 AM
But really, only a complete idiot would get banned from TA then come back under a different name to continue doing the same thing that got him banned in the first place.

That's what I call dumb.

That's what I call retarded. Vacuum, labeat, Drawing-live etc. names he drew from a hat apparently :rotfl: At least his mom gives good blow jobs.