Autosomal results as Bulgarian (MyHeritage, familytreeDNA, livingDNA, gedmatch, mytrueancestry)

[djipon]

Hey! I've been reading this forum for the past 2 days, trying to figure out stuff about my results and their interpretation. I've tested with MyHeritage originally, though I uploaded my data to familytreeDNA, LivingDNA, gedmatch and mystrueancestry at a later phase. (I also did Genomelink, but the results are so random there, that I don't even consider them).

I've been trying to use the k36 model and g25 for scaling, but with no success... (can't figure how it works).

Just some info of what my family always told me, before looking at my results - on my father's side I knew we were some minor nobility of Bulgarian origin in the Ottoman Empire and I have a family tree going back to the early 1700s there. On my mom's side they come from Greece, emigrated to Bulgaria around 1900.

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[Beowulf]

welcome and congrats for your results they look very interesting :)


you can try to simulate your G25 here https://www.exploreyourdna.com/rawtosimg25.aspx

[djipon]

I forgot to add the livingDNA result, so here they are
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[axlredneck]

Share your Dodecad K12b Gedmatch result.

[djipon]

welcome and congrats for your results they look very interesting :)


you can try to simulate your G25 here https://www.exploreyourdna.com/rawtosimg25.aspx

Thank you! Doing it right now. What do I do with the coordinates when I get them? Which g25 model should I use after that?

Also, what looks interesting to you in the results? I've always thought they are pretty average for Bulgaria.. :)

[djipon]

126662 126663

There you go :)

[Annihilus]

Hi welcome

What is your Y haplo, and can I have your Gedmatch number?

Try this when you have your g25


Bulgarian_34,0.1224092,0.1351795,0.024192,-0.0006667,0.0228846,0.0003003,0.0050912,0.0042096,-0.0012949,0.0044975,-0.0012157,-0.0002779,0.0014468,0.0094707,-0.0122658,-0.0033523,0.0058299,-0.0002886,0.0036941,-0.0019152,-0.0054638,0.0001679,0.0035361,-0.0019152,-0.0002747
Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.07745 9165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.0161641 1,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0. 0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
pre-Slavic,0.115788643,0.155447054,-0.013210334,-0.058939577,0.013143349,-0.022893294,0.002382382,-0.004765177,-0.000258792,0.030021232,0.002857424,0.006665043,-0.012513063,-0.000258648,-0.016561192,-0.007127521,0.008360983,0.000961495,0.006018814,-0.005774845,-0.006167014,0.003723334,-0.000888079,0.000539588,-0.001172929

[djipon]

I haven't tested my haplogroups. Do you mean kit number?

Here are the results on your code 126664

What code should I use in general?

[Beowulf]

Thank you! Doing it right now. What do I do with the coordinates when I get them? Which g25 model should I use after that?

Also, what looks interesting to you in the results? I've always thought they are pretty average for Bulgaria.. :)

you could try exploreyourdna.com to try many other G25 calculators!

Also i find them interesting because i haven't seen to many Bulgarian DNA results.

[Annihilus]

I haven't tested my haplogroups. Do you mean kit number?

Here are the results on your code 126664

What code should I use in general?

Yes I meant your Gedmatch kit number. You can edit and delete it after.

Can you also post the % breakdown from that code?

[djipon]

Yes I meant your Gedmatch kit number. You can edit and delete it after.

Can you also post the % breakdown from that code?

Idk if that's what you wanted but there you go
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[Annihilus]

Idk if that's what you wanted but there you go
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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381574-Bulgarians-on-G25

[Feiichy]

Hello and welcome. You can find out your haplogroup if you upload your raw data file on this link:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[djipon]

you could try exploreyourdna.com to try many other G25 calculators!

Also i find them interesting because i haven't seen to many Bulgarian DNA results.

Already doing that :D I wonder why none of the sites caught that French and Iberian (except Genomelink, but its really confusing) in my modern breakdown. MyHeritage says that the Greek genetic group I belong to inhabited Southern France in the 1600s though...

[Feiichy]

Here are your Eurogenes K13 results on updated European calculator. Very typicaly Bulgarian.

Distance to: djipon

2.69894424 Bulgarian_Southcentral
2.78513913 Bulgarian_Northcentral
3.24188217 Pomak_Bulgaria
3.30313487 Gagauz
3.59704045 Pomak_Greece
3.82320546 Bulgarian_Northeastern
3.96991184 Macedonian_North
4.05775800 Romanian_Muntenia
4.08448283 Bulgarian_Southeastern
4.17561971 Bulgarian_Southwestern
4.44004504 Romanian_Dobruja
4.46311550 Bulgarian_Northwestern
4.55663253 Aromanian
5.05064352 Greek_Florina
5.21262890 Bulgarian_Moldova
5.25642464 Romanian_Oltenia
5.29725401 Greek_Thrace
5.59263802 Albanian_Montenegro
5.67952463 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
5.74428412 Macedonian_South
6.09250359 Romanian_Banat
6.17071309 Montenegro_SouthEast
6.46249952 Serb_KosovoMetohija
6.46276257 Moldovan_South
6.50256103 Macedonian_Central

Target: djipon
Distance: 1.8382% / 1.83824689 | ADC: 0.5x RC

52.4 Pomak_Greece
34.5 Macedonian_North
13.1 Aromanian

[Beowulf]

Already doing that :D I wonder why none of the sites caught that French and Iberian (except Genomelink, but its really confusing) in my modern breakdown. MyHeritage says that the Greek genetic group I belong to inhabited Southern France in the 1600s though...


I heard that Genomelink have a very bad reputation, my results there were very odd.

[djipon]

Hello and welcome. You can find out your haplogroup if you upload your raw data file on this link:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Thank you! I uploaded it now, but what do I look for? "Most specific position on the YFull YTree is I-M423" Is that it, or should I look for the ones in green and blue?

[Feiichy]

I heard that Genomelink have a very bad reputation, my results there were very odd.

Illustrative DNA is only site with decent ancient results and reasonable models, it's worth paying to upload there if one is into that and wants to get real G25 coords too.

[Beowulf]

Illustrative DNA is only site with decent ancient results and reasonable models, it's worth paying to upload there if one is into that and wants to get G25 coords too.

i totally agree with you.

[djipon]

I heard that Genomelink have a very bad reputation, my results there were very odd.

I basically got between 2-5 percents from 16 european countries there :picard1:

[Feiichy]

Thank you! I uploaded it now, but what do I look for? "Most specific position on the YFull YTree is I-M423" Is that it, or should I look for the ones in green and blue?

That's it, I-M423 is name for haplogroup I2 that is very common among Balkan Slavs. My father has it too. Vast majority of Bulgarian I2 clades are of medieval Slavic origin, but there is small minority of branches that are older and not Slavic. To find out your deep clade you would need a proper Y-DNA test.

At least now you know you are I2. Yseq is completely reliable when it comes to that.

[Beowulf]

I basically got between 2-5 percents from 16 european countries there :picard1:

oh i see i haven't paid for it i just have the free results from there.

[djipon]

That's it, I-M423 is name for haplogroup I2 that is very common among Balkan Slavs. My father has it too. Vast majority of Bulgarian I2 clades are of medieval Slavic origin, but there is small minority of branches that are older and not Slavic. To find out your deep clade you would need a proper Y-DNA test.

At least now you know you are I2. Yseq is completely reliable when it comes to that.

I see, any cool things I might check with that basic Y-DNA information?

[djipon]

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My closest ancient populations, according to mytrueancestry :D

[protos]

I see, any cool things I might check with that basic Y-DNA information?

You would need deeper test to figure out exact branch of your I2a

[protos]

126685

My closest ancient populations, according to mytrueancestry :D

This is just a thrash website, bunch of inaccurate data. According to them I'm about 50% Roman + another 15% Gallo-Roman, which is impossible.

[celticdragongod]

Bulgarian_34,0.1224092,0.1351795,0.024192,-0.0006667,0.0228846,0.0003003,0.0050912,0.0042096,-0.0012949,0.0044975,-0.0012157,-0.0002779,0.0014468,0.0094707,-0.0122658,-0.0033523,0.0058299,-0.0002886,0.0036941,-0.0019152,-0.0054638,0.0001679,0.0035361,-0.0019152,-0.0002747
Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.07745 9165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.0161641 1,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0. 0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
pre-Slavic,0.115788643,0.155447054,-0.013210334,-0.058939577,0.013143349,-0.022893294,0.002382382,-0.004765177,-0.000258792,0.030021232,0.002857424,0.006665043,-0.012513063,-0.000258648,-0.016561192,-0.007127521,0.008360983,0.000961495,0.006018814,-0.005774845,-0.006167014,0.003723334,-0.000888079,0.000539588,-0.001172929

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.08232693 Slavic
0.08613949 Bulgarian_34
0.13931556 Thracian
0.15585646 pre-Slavic
0.17849384 Anatolian
0.25977423 Turkic
0.38522429 Romani
0.47151877 MAR_EN

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.9297% / 0.05929650
68.4 Slavic
30.8 Thracian
0.8 Romani

[djipon]

This is just a thrash website, bunch of inaccurate data. According to them I'm about 50% Roman + another 15% Gallo-Roman, which is impossible.

Why do you think it is impossible :D

[ScandinavianCelt]

@djipon

Welcome, and try this one for good modern results:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/93/test-moderne-2022-samuel-marques.htm

The standard modern pop averages scaled should help you also:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1wZr-UOve0KUKo_Qbgeo27m-CQncZWb8y

[protos]

Why do you think it is impossible :D

Because I don't get similar results on other calculators, just my true ancestry.

[djipon]

@djipon

Welcome, and try this one for good modern results:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/93/test-moderne-2022-samuel-marques.htm

The standard modern pop averages scaled should help you also:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1wZr-UOve0KUKo_Qbgeo27m-CQncZWb8y

Distance to: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
0.00891768 East_Europe:Moldovan_Stefan_Voda
0.01118604 Balkans:Bulgarian
0.01337351 South_East_Europe:North_Macedonian
0.02000237 South_East_Europe:Greek_Eastern_Rumelia
0.02039039 South_East_Europe:Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.02169930 Balkans:Romanian
0.02273296 South_East_Europe:Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02528612 East_Europe:Moldovan_o2
0.02629270 South_East_Europe:Albanian
0.02705498 South_East_Europe:Greek_Thessaly
0.02753788 South_East_Europe:Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Sparta _Municipality
0.02949863 Balkans:Montenegrin
0.03071172 Balkans:Serb
0.03206502 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_(Friu lian)
0.03422808 South_East_Europe:Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia
0.03426635 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Timau _(Bavarian)_o
0.03429739 North_&_Central_Italy:Swiss_Italian
0.03460222 South_East_Europe:Greek_Central_Greece
0.03521946 South_East_Europe:Greek_Peloponnese_Argolis
0.03618976 South_East_Europe:Greek_Epirus
0.03691499 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Timau _(Bavarian)
0.03692376 Balkans:Serb_Croatia
0.03774439 South_East_Europe:Greek_Peloponnese_Elis
0.03792498 Balkans:Bosniak
0.03813379 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Veneto_(Venetian)



Target: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.3117% / 0.00311715
39.2 South_East_Europe
31.6 Balkans
12.6 East_Europe
9.4 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus
2.8 Spain
1.6 Sardinian
1.0 Anatolia
1.0 Levantine
0.4 Egypt
0.2 East_Med
0.2 North_Africa
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Standart Modern Pop Averages Scaled

Distance to: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
0.01201498 Gagauz
0.01384196 Bulgarian
0.01675810 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.01873885 Macedonian
0.02103186 Romanian
0.02137508 Rumelia_East
0.02152556 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02256114 Greek_Macedonia
0.02750864 Albanian
0.02807875 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.02949863 Montenegrin
0.03010621 Greek_Thessaly
0.03015178 Serbian
0.03200733 Greek_Messenia
0.03244196 Italian_Northeast
0.03251650 Greek_Achaea
0.03269469 Greek_Arcadia
0.03310518 Greek_Elis
0.03429739 Swiss_Italian
0.03477657 Greek_Argolis
0.03484878 Moldovan
0.03503411 Greek_Corinthia
0.03563344 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03732030 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03883283 Italian_Piedmont


Target: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.2887% / 0.00288726
24.2 Greek_Corinthia
11.2 Russian_Smolensk
10.4 Bosnian
10.4 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
7.8 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
7.4 Albanian
5.8 Turkish_Trabzon
5.2 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
5.2 Italian_Liguria
3.2 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
2.2 Sorb_Niederlausitz
2.0 Slovenian
1.8 Polish_Silesian
1.4 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
1.0 Sardinian
0.2 Fulani_Ziniare
0.2 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.2 Nivkh
0.2 Tatar_Crimean_steppe

[djipon]

Are there any specific calculator to show me proximity to Italian (Sardinian, Maltese etc.), French and German?

[Annihilus]

I pm'ed you my Gedmatch, can you check here please? https://app.gedmatch.com/v_compare1.php

[djipon]

I pm'ed you my Gedmatch, can you check here please? https://app.gedmatch.com/v_compare1.php

It says I have no permission to use.

[Annihilus]

It says I have no permission to use.

Did you login to Gedmatch? You should be able to use it.

[djipon]

Hello and welcome. You can find out your haplogroup if you upload your raw data file on this link:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Hey, is there a way I can find my mtDNA haplogroup with my raw data, the same way I foun out my Y-DNA?

[djipon]

Did you login to Gedmatch? You should be able to use it.

Yes, It says I need permission to use the kit.

[Annihilus]

Yes, It says I need permission to use the kit.

I have no clue why it doesn't work for you, can you pm me your kitnumber so I can try? Don't worry I can't do anything with your kitnumber.

[Annihilus]

Can you try it like this: Go to Free Tools, then select One-to-one Autosomal.

kit 1 fill in or select your kit
kit 2 fill in my kit

scroll down and hit compare

[djipon]

Can you try it like this: Go to Free Tools, then select One-to-one Autosomal.

kit 1 fill in or select your kit
kit 2 fill in my kit

scroll down and hit compare

That is what I was doing and tried again but still the same error

[Annihilus]

That is what I was doing and tried again but still the same error

Can you reply to my pm so I can see what kitnumber I sent you?

[djipon]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381756-Djipon-s-IllustrativeDNA-results-(Bulgarian)

Illustrative DNA results :)

[djipon]

Any idea why I get so much French?

https://i.postimg.cc/tTwYnn1x/1.png (https://postimg.cc/G8PcZ2xL)

[djipon]

I'm adding DNA Genics to my results here.

I decided to hammer the last nail of the "pay-for-another-breakdown" coffin and finally purchased DNA Genics Starter pack. And, oh boy! Am I confused! This is by far the weirdest (and not) result I got.

I present to you my Conservative Modern Results:

https://i.postimg.cc/0yHcz5qW/1.png

Let's say I both agree and disagree here, as both my parents consider themselves Bulgarian, but we already know I am significantly Greek on my mother's side.

Now the Intermediate Results:

https://i.postimg.cc/BvLNHWSq/2.png

Here I'm still not so confused. Let's consider that it combines my Bulgarian and Greek into Bulgarian. I finally get some kind of breakdown of my ~10% Middle Eastern/West Asia I get on most places.

And finally, the Speculative Resulsts (I know that's why they are speculative, but still... I find them very very odd):

https://i.postimg.cc/4yZ1Dmzd/3.png

I don't even know where to begin... Is it totally confusing my Greek heritage for something Middle Eastern, or is it combining Greek and Middle Eastern and giving them as Israel? Or am I Jewish???? (I'm willing to try some calculators, if there are such).

It predicted my Y haplogroup, but I already knew it anyways.

https://i.postimg.cc/fbGCvHyY/5-yhaplo.png

And finally, Shared Ancient Origins:

https://i.postimg.cc/mD7wpQ1J/4-ancient.png

To be honest, I don't know what to think of them, you are free to give your opinion. If you want me to try some kind of DNA Genics calculator or something, feel free to ask. I checked my g25 coordinates I got, and they are not so off from my real ones. Feel free to comment and everything :):thumb001:

[protos]

AFAIK DNAgenics coordinates are simulated, not real G25

[djipon]

AFAIK DNAgenics coordinates are simulated, not real G25

I know that, I usually use my real ones.

[djipon]

My new FTDNA results with the AncestryDNA raw file

https://i.postimg.cc/RhWGyZ1q/image.png