The Welsh

[JerryS.]

I have mixed ancestry with quite a bit coming from the British isles which includes Ireland for the sake of argument. Depending on the model used I can score mostly Welsh for this region, though I have no direct Welsh ancestry.

Would it be fair to say that the Welsh are a bridge between England and Ireland regarding a combined ethnicity group?
I know there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and Irish there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and English. This leads me to think that the Welsh could be a proxy group as they seem to combined enough from their neighbors to stand out separate from them.
I don't know if that makes any sense so bear with me. I'm just using this educated guess based on what I occasionally get with ethnicity calculators and the location of Wales in relation to England and Ireland.

[Figaro]

I think that's what recent research as well as simple common sense has been indicating; the Welsh being transitional between the Irish and the English. Welsh have more from EEF-rich Ghaulish ancestry than Irish who, ironically or not, have the least amongst the Brit/Irish, whilst the latter have the premium of Bronze Age Atlantic ancestry amongst the neighbors.

[Etelfrido]

From what I remember seeing in some PCA the Welsh plot mainly to the South of the English, not to their West like the Irish.

[JerryS.]

From what I remember seeing in some PCA the Welsh plot mainly to the South of the English, not to their West like the Irish.

Would that mean they seem to be more of a Northern French bridging to English group?

[Etelfrido]

Would that mean they seem to be more of a Northern French bridging to English group?
I'm not sure, and what I said doesn't apply to Northern Welsh.

https://i.imgur.com/jVyHTlm.png

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1007152

In the study below they didn't separate Wales into different regions and the result's that it's a lot closer to other Brits than to the French.

https://i.imgur.com/cpnhgCY.jpg

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119281119#sec-3

[J. Ketch]

I have mixed ancestry with quite a bit coming from the British isles which includes Ireland for the sake of argument. Depending on the model used I can score mostly Welsh for this region, though I have no direct Welsh ancestry.

Would it be fair to say that the Welsh are a bridge between England and Ireland regarding a combined ethnicity group?
I know there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and Irish there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and English. This leads me to think that the Welsh could be a proxy group as they seem to combined enough from their neighbors to stand out separate from them.
I don't know if that makes any sense so bear with me. I'm just using this educated guess based on what I occasionally get with ethnicity calculators and the location of Wales in relation to England and Ireland.
The Welsh do plot between the English and the Irish, though as 'Insular Celts' they are closer to the Irish on average. They are not a mixture of Gaels and Anglo-Britons like the Scottish though, and have been genetically isolated from other British Isles groups for longer, which may explain some of the unusual phenotypes attributed to the Welsh.


Would that mean they seem to be more of a Northern French bridging to English group?
The Welsh plot Northwestern of the English on average (towards the Irish), not Southern. Though they do have more overlap with West Bretons, who aren't really French genetically speaking. Southern England and East Anglia are the most south-shifted parts of Britain, towards Belgium and the Southern Netherlands.

[ScandinavianCelt]

I have mixed ancestry with quite a bit coming from the British isles which includes Ireland for the sake of argument. Depending on the model used I can score mostly Welsh for this region, though I have no direct Welsh ancestry.

Would it be fair to say that the Welsh are a bridge between England and Ireland regarding a combined ethnicity group?
I know there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and Irish there's a bit of overlap between Scottish and English. This leads me to think that the Welsh could be a proxy group as they seem to combined enough from their neighbors to stand out separate from them.
I don't know if that makes any sense so bear with me. I'm just using this educated guess based on what I occasionally get with ethnicity calculators and the location of Wales in relation to England and Ireland.

How does your closest distance Welsh piece look using Python tool?

This is mine (Ancient Pop Scaled sample):

Orcadian 86.083%
French_Brittany 7.492%
Slovakian 6.425%


Fit error: 0.0197651387955553

This is how my top modern distance matches out on 2-way-- it is the Modern Welsh Pop Ave Scaled sample:

Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04 05922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.004 3372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083


64% English_Cornwall + 36% Dutch
89% Scottish + 11% Spanish_Catalunya_Central
90% Scottish + 10% Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
93% English_Cornwall + 7% Slovakian
96% English_Cornwall + 4% Cossack_Kuban
83% English_Cornwall + 17% German
96% English + 4% Spanish_Soria
96% Scottish + 4% Sardinian
58% English + 42% English_Cornwall
90% Scottish + 10% Spanish_Lleida

[JerryS.]

How does your closest distance Welsh piece look using Python tool?

This is mine (Ancient Pop Scaled sample):

Orcadian 86.083%
French_Brittany 7.492%
Slovakian 6.425%


Fit error: 0.0197651387955553

This is how my top modern distance matches out on 2-way-- it is the Modern Welsh Pop Ave Scaled sample:

Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04 05922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.004 3372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083


64% English_Cornwall + 36% Dutch
89% Scottish + 11% Spanish_Catalunya_Central
90% Scottish + 10% Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
93% English_Cornwall + 7% Slovakian
96% English_Cornwall + 4% Cossack_Kuban
83% English_Cornwall + 17% German
96% English + 4% Spanish_Soria
96% Scottish + 4% Sardinian
58% English + 42% English_Cornwall
90% Scottish + 10% Spanish_Lleida

I have no idea what python tool is. Do you have a source model for me to run my G25 with Vahaduo? That's all I know how to do.