Brazilian Genetic Results Thread

[Jingle Bell]

Idk if theres alr a thread focused in make a compilation of Brazilians results, from any kind of companies, g25, qpAdm, with some historical/familiar context would be good, feel free to link videos, articles, shorts, imgur pics and etc, the objective here is try make a good average for all the states in Brazil, contribuitions are always welcome!

[Laredo]

What Is qpAdm? mind to explain to me like If you were telling an none athrotard person? Is It like G25 or suppose to be better?

[Beowulf]

What Is qpAdm? mind to explain to me like If you were telling an none athrotard person? Is It like G25 or suppose to be better?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772284/


"qpAdm is a statistical tool for studying the ancestry of populations with histories that involve admixture between two or more source populations. Using qpAdm, it is possible to identify plausible models of admixture that fit the population history of a group of interest and to calculate the relative proportion of ancestry that can be ascribed to each source population in the model. Although qpAdm is widely used in studies of population history of human (and nonhuman) groups, relatively little has been done to assess its performance. We performed a simulation study to assess the behavior of qpAdm under various scenarios in order to identify areas of potential weakness and establish recommended best practices for use. We find that qpAdm is a robust tool that yields accurate results in many cases, including when data coverage is low, there are high rates of missing data or ancient DNA damage, or when diploid calls cannot be made. However, we caution against co-analyzing ancient and present-day data, the inclusion of an extremely large number of reference populations in a single model, and analyzing population histories involving extended periods of gene flow. We provide a user guide suggesting best practices for the use of qpAdm."

[Laredo]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772284/


"qpAdm is a statistical tool for studying the ancestry of populations with histories that involve admixture between two or more source populations. Using qpAdm, it is possible to identify plausible models of admixture that fit the population history of a group of interest and to calculate the relative proportion of ancestry that can be ascribed to each source population in the model. Although qpAdm is widely used in studies of population history of human (and nonhuman) groups, relatively little has been done to assess its performance. We performed a simulation study to assess the behavior of qpAdm under various scenarios in order to identify areas of potential weakness and establish recommended best practices for use. We find that qpAdm is a robust tool that yields accurate results in many cases, including when data coverage is low, there are high rates of missing data or ancient DNA damage, or when diploid calls cannot be made. However, we caution against co-analyzing ancient and present-day data, the inclusion of an extremely large number of reference populations in a single model, and analyzing population histories involving extended periods of gene flow. We provide a user guide suggesting best practices for the use of qpAdm."

Million thanks!

[Leto]

I read this subreddit (not registered) and have seen this one recently - a majority black Brazilian (Blackzilian) from Northeastern Brazil

60.8% Sub-Saharan African
31.7% European
5.3% Indigenous American
0.5% East Asian
0.5% Western Asian & North African
1.2% trace & unassigned
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1am2crd/brazilian_from_bahianortheast_brazil/

Unusual Y DNA - T-L280, mtDNA is African - L1b1a

[Leto]

I read this subreddit (not registered) and have seen this one recently - a majority black Brazilian (Blackzilian) from Northeastern Brazil

60.8% Sub-Saharan African
31.7% European
5.3% Indigenous American
0.5% East Asian
0.5% Western Asian & North African
1.2% trace & unassigned
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1am2crd/brazilian_from_bahianortheast_brazil/

Unusual Y DNA - T-L280, mtDNA is African - L1b1a
Just to clarify that I wasn't trolling the Brazilians as blacks, here's a Southern Brazilian, almost 90% Caucasoid (88.9% European, 0.5% WANA; 6.6% Indigenous; 3.5% SSA). :D I'll stop with this 'cause you know where to find those results
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1aoq2en/southern_brazilian_with_pic/

[Laredo]

Just to clarify that I wasn't trolling the Brazilians as blacks, here's a Southern Brazilian, almost 90% Caucasoid (88.9% European, 0.5% WANA; 6.6% Indigenous; 3.5% SSA). :D I'll stop with this 'cause you know where to find those results
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1aoq2en/southern_brazilian_with_pic/

Well neither of them are representative average .. Still the average Southern Brazilian Is more like 75-79 European.

[Jingle Bell]

Well neither of them are representative average .. Still the average Southern Brazilian Is more like 75-79 European.

Higher prevalence of European ancestry was observed for populations from all Brazilian states, and the highest was identified in Rio Grande do Sul (RS) (81.5%). On the contrary, the Maranhão state (MA) showed the lowest percentage of European ancestry (42.0%). Bahia (BA) showed the highest percentage of African ancestry (38.6%), while the lowest percentage was observed in Rio Grande do Sul (9.8%). Native American ancestry was highest in Maranhão (AM) (39%) and lowest in Minas Gerais state (MG) (6.8%).

[Laredo]

Higher prevalence of European ancestry was observed for populations from all Brazilian states, and the highest was identified in Rio Grande do Sul (RS) (81.5%). On the contrary, the Maranhão state (MA) showed the lowest percentage of European ancestry (42.0%). Bahia (BA) showed the highest percentage of African ancestry (38.6%), while the lowest percentage was observed in Rio Grande do Sul (9.8%). Native American ancestry was highest in Maranhão (AM) (39%) and lowest in Minas Gerais state (MG) (6.8%).

I think the Northern Brazilian province are similar to Venezuela when It comes to the SSA and Native triracial compounds?

[Jingle Bell]

I think the Northern Brazilian province are similar to Venezuela when It comes to the SSA and Native triracial compounds?

Yes but i think Venezuela is more European than states like Amazonas

[DraviXi99]

Average brazilian is around 2/3 - 3/4 euro,1/4 afro and 1/8 amerindian,thats all i can say because i dont know too much

[Generalissimo]

Ancestry results from a rather famous gamer gurl from Amparo, Säo Paulo state:

https://i.imgur.com/173Hp4U.jpg

Genera results from Natal, Rio Grande do Norte state:

https://i.imgur.com/yQGJktg.jpg

Genera results from Suzano, São Paulo state:

https://i.imgur.com/Lx3YL6v.jpeg

[alnortedelsur]

https://i.imgur.com/Lx3YL6v.jpeg

Interesting! This girl looks more Amerindian than African mixed. She looks more mestiza than mulatta. I can't believe she is 32% African. It doesn't show up much in her case.

And this one:

https://i.imgur.com/173Hp4U.jpeg

is pretty much an Iberian-Japanese mix.

She is as much SSA as myself (5%), and as expected, it doesn't show up at all in her phenotype. 5% SSA is a low percentage.

[Generalissimo]

Interesting! This girl looks more Amerindian than African mixed. She looks more mestiza than mulatta. I can't believe she is 32% African. It doesn't show up much in her case.

The girl commented she looks like her father but her maternal family is very african so the high ssa in her results was expected. She also said both her maternal and paternal families have roots in Northeast Brazil.

[bvnny]

Average brazilian is around 2/3 - 3/4 euro,1/4 afro and 1/8 amerindian,thats all i can say because i dont know too much

How does that add up?

3/4 + 1/4 + 1/8 = 9/8 or 112,5%
2/3 + 1/4 + 1/8 = 25/24 or ~104,17%

Either way, the math looks wrong, man.

[zueira]

I think the Northern Brazilian province are similar to Venezuela when It comes to the SSA and Native triracial compounds?

Brazilian States!

[DraviXi99]

How does that add up?

3/4 + 1/4 + 1/8 = 9/8 or 112,5%
2/3 + 1/4 + 1/8 = 25/24 or ~104,17%

Either way, the math looks wrong, man.

I said between,so if its 2/3 euro,it would be 1/4 african and 1/10 amerindian

It doesnt need to be 1/8,it could be 1/10,or it doesnt need to be 1/4,it would just be 1/5 and so on

[bvnny]

I said between,so if its 2/3 euro,it would be 1/4 african and 1/10 amerindian

It doesnt need to be 1/8,it could be 1/10,or it doesnt need to be 1/4,it would just be 1/5 and so on

2/3 + 1/4 + 1/10 = 61/60 or ~101,67%

But okay, I think I get your point.

[Laredo]

Average brazilian shouldnt be more than 65% European genetically speaking the thing Is when It comes to Southern American latinos DNA studies most samples collected are from deep south or middle class which means working class and northern brazilians are left out.

Theres used to be some delusional brazilians amador and tenma de pagaus who used to say the average was almost Identical as Uruguay (78%) (lmao)

[DraviXi99]

Average brazilian shouldnt be more than 65% European genetically speaking the thing Is when It comes to Southern American latinos DNA studies most samples collected are from deep south or middle class which means working class and northern brazilians are left out.

Theres used to be some delusional brazilians amador and tenma de pagaus who used to say the average was almost Identical as Uruguay (78%) (lmao)

UruGay is white on average yes but has way way less whites when compared to Brasil

[Jingle Bell]

Average brazilian shouldnt be more than 65% European genetically speaking the thing Is when It comes to Southern American latinos DNA studies most samples collected are from deep south or middle class which means working class and northern brazilians are left out.

Theres used to be some delusional brazilians amador and tenma de pagaus who used to say the average was almost Identical as Uruguay (78%) (lmao)

I think btw 60 - 70% sounds fine, obviously heavily depends on Region, Bahia maybe is 50% - 60%, Santa Catarina 75% - 85% etc. . . But for sure is no less than 60% and no more than 85% in Average

[zueira]

I think btw 60 - 70% sounds fine, obviously heavily depends on Region, Bahia maybe is 50% - 60%, Santa Catarina 75% - 85% etc. . . But for sure is no less than 60% and no more than 85% in Average

Na verdade não! Olha o topico com os mais de 200 mil testes feito pela genera e os resultados dividos por região de origem da pessoa:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381901-Maior-estudo-sobre-dna-brasileiro-em-todas-as-regi%F5es!

[zueira]

Average brazilian shouldnt be more than 65% European genetically speaking the thing Is when It comes to Southern American latinos DNA studies most samples collected are from deep south or middle class which means working class and northern brazilians are left out.

Theres used to be some delusional brazilians amador and tenma de pagaus who used to say the average was almost Identical as Uruguay (78%) (lmao)

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-paternas-haplogrupos-e1683126213954.png.webp

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-maternas-haplogrupos-1024x572.png.webp

https://www.genera.com.br/blog/haplogrupos-linhagens/

[DraviXi99]

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-paternas-haplogrupos-e1683126213954.png.webp

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-maternas-haplogrupos-1024x572.png.webp

https://www.genera.com.br/blog/haplogrupos-linhagens/

So fala a media geral

[Jingle Bell]

Na verdade não! Olha o topico com os mais de 200 mil testes feito pela genera e os resultados dividos por região de origem da pessoa:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381901-Maior-estudo-sobre-dna-brasileiro-em-todas-as-regi%F5es!

Genera results were from persons with cloud actually afford a DNA test, which represents the Middle-High class of people in Brazil, unlike studies that were made in all classes like that:
https://i.imgur.com/vnAPqrI.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/

Bahia is ~55% European as i said, Santa Catarina is ~80%, the results were pretty much as i said.

[DraviXi99]

Genera results were from persons with cloud actually afford a DNA test, which represents the Middle-High class of people in Brazil, unlike studies that were made in all classes like that:
https://i.imgur.com/vnAPqrI.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/

Bahia is ~55% European as i said, Santa Catarina is ~80%, the results were pretty much as i said.

Just say what is themost accurate average i dont want to search and read all of the links ;(

[Jingle Bell]

Just say what is themost accurate average i dont want to search and read all of the links ;(

the one i linked represent better all classe in Brazil

[Laredo]

Genera results were from persons with cloud actually afford a DNA test, which represents the Middle-High class of people in Brazil, unlike studies that were made in all classes like that:
https://i.imgur.com/vnAPqrI.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/

Bahia is ~55% European as i said, Santa Catarina is ~80%, the results were pretty much as i said.

Agree with this study/map. Looks accurate to me.

[Laredo]

So maranhao Is the least European state of Brazil with only 45% contribution?

[Jingle Bell]

So maranhao Is the least European state of Brazil with only 45% contribution?

Yes, Maranhão its the least European state in Brazil with a average of 42%.

[DraviXi99]

Yes, Maranhão its the least European state in Brazil with a average of 42%.

What about goias/df,it seems to be the most accurate and represents the country in general/average imo,up there with MG in second place.

[Laredo]

Yes, Maranhão its the least European state in Brazil with a average of 42%.

Interesting according to wiki Bahia Is the least white, I would've expected the least European contribution as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilians

[Eurafricanid]

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-paternas-haplogrupos-e1683126213954.png.webp

https://ecommerce.cdn.genera.com.br/uploads/2023/05/linhagens-maternas-haplogrupos-1024x572.png.webp

https://www.genera.com.br/blog/haplogrupos-linhagens/

Linhagens is haplogroups, one per person, that's not the acutual autossomal ancestry, a 100% European person could be 100% African or Amerindian in that study.

[Jingle Bell]

Interesting according to wiki Bahia Is the least white, I would've expected the least European contribution as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilians

Bahia its the 3rd least in self indentified whites, not the least, and also self-Identity ≠ to genetics, most Baianos are full colonial, or at least pred colonial and have multiple europeans, slaves and natives in their family, so independently of the phenotype its more comum to identify as pardos, while regions of South have more recent european imigration and feels more culturally european, so they identify mostly as white.

[Jingle Bell]

What about goias/df,it seems to be the most accurate and represents the country in general/average imo,up there with MG in second place.

Yes, Goias is abt 70% European, 15% SSA & 15% Native, very close to nacional averagd, just a bit more native

[DraviXi99]

Yes, Goias is abt 70% European, 15% SSA & 15% Native, very close to nacional averagd, just a bit more native

I think i would put the same euro,but change afro to 20% and amerindian to 10%.

[Generalissimo]

Ancestry results fom the actor Wagner Moura which hails from Salvador, Bahia. A woman matched with him and shared the results:

https://i.imgur.com/9D2i2TP.jpg

Genera results from Minas Gerais:

https://i.imgur.com/hDEWSuH.jpg

23andMe results from the coast of Santa Catarina state. She also posted an update here (https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/q311ib/brazilian_results_i_did_not_post_after_the_last/).

https://i.imgur.com/ne9LJFO.jpeg

[Generalissimo]

Genera results were from persons with cloud actually afford a DNA test, which represents the Middle-High class of people in Brazil, unlike studies that were made in all classes like that:


I agree those results have a class bias but i think it has more to do with this being a niche subject than with being affordable or not.

[zueira]

Genera results were from persons with cloud actually afford a DNA test, which represents the Middle-High class of people in Brazil, unlike studies that were made in all classes like that:
https://i.imgur.com/vnAPqrI.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/

Bahia is ~55% European as i said, Santa Catarina is ~80%, the results were pretty much as i said.

Vc esta dizendo que um estudo com Mais de 200 mil testes divididos por regiões do Brasil não vale?
Onde a genera é de classe alta? Esse preço qualquer pode pagar https://www.genera.com.br/teste-de-ancestralidade/

[zueira]

Linhagens is haplogroups, one per person, that's not the acutual autossomal ancestry, a 100% European person could be 100% African or Amerindian in that study.

Eu sei disso, mais eu acho mais interessante "haplogroups" das regiões! O dna paterno é mais ou menos homogêneo como esperado no Brasil, o materno é o mais interessante pra mim a única região onde o europeu é predominante(50%) é o sul o norte e o Nordeste dividem, o norte mais indígena e o Nordeste mais africano.

[DraviXi99]

Ancestry results fom the actor Wagner Moura which hails from Salvador, Bahia. A woman matched with him and shared the results:

https://i.imgur.com/9D2i2TP.jpg

Genera results from Minas Gerais:

https://i.imgur.com/hDEWSuH.jpg

23andMe results from the coast of Santa Catarina state. She also posted an update here (https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/q311ib/brazilian_results_i_did_not_post_after_the_last/).

https://i.imgur.com/ne9LJFO.jpeg

Interessante o teste do Wagner,pensei que ele seria um pouco masi africano pelo fato do nariz dele ser meio gordinho ate. Pela conta daria 96% todo o teste dele,mas ainda falta 4%,seria esse restante unnasigned ?

[DraviXi99]

I think Central - West might be a good representative for the whole average of the country

[zueira]

I agree those results have a class bias but i think it has more to do with this being a niche subject than with being affordable or not.

Baseado em que vc alega que a genera tem um viés de classe?

[zueira]

Interessante o teste do Wagner,pensei que ele seria um pouco masi africano pelo fato do nariz dele ser meio gordinho ate. Pela conta daria 96% todo o teste dele,mas ainda falta 4%,seria esse restante unnasigned ?

Wagner moura é bem menos africano do que eu achei que ele seria sendo ele sa Bahia

[DraviXi99]

Wagner moura é bem menos africano do que eu achei que ele seria sendo ele sa Bahia

Verdade eu tbm pensei que ele seria tipo 1/8 por ai,nao que ele seja o mais swarthy,nada disso. O qual correto vc acha que esse teste é ? Este é o genera,correto ?

[Etelfrido]

Average brazilian shouldnt be more than 65% European genetically speaking the thing Is when It comes to Southern American latinos DNA studies most samples collected are from deep south or middle class which means working class and northern brazilians are left out.

Theres used to be some delusional brazilians amador and tenma de pagaus who used to say the average was almost Identical as Uruguay (78%) (lmao)
That should affect countries with the largest indigenous populations the most as I think they're the least likely of all to seek a DNA test.

https://i.imgur.com/tgJU8R6.png

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1340373/percentage-indigenous-population-latin-american-countries/

[zueira]

Verdade eu tbm pensei que ele seria tipo 1/8 por ai,nao que ele seja o mais swarthy,nada disso. O qual correto vc acha que esse teste é ? Este é o genera,correto ?

Ele tem algo exótico no visual dele mais não sei explicar o que é! Por isso sempre achei que ele iria marcar mais africano do que isso

[Etelfrido]

Well neither of them are representative average .. Still the average Southern Brazilian Is more like 75-79 European.
According to a paper from 2019 it's 80.0 and 84.8 when weighted, see Table 2.

https://www.scielo.br/j/gmb/a/fk6kLTxZknvrJjmC9hdcZBC/?format=pdf&lang=en

[DraviXi99]

According to a paper from 2019 it's 80.0 and 84.8 when weighted, see Table 2.

https://www.scielo.br/j/gmb/a/fk6kLTxZknvrJjmC9hdcZBC/?format=pdf&lang=en

average southerh would obviously be more than 80% at least.

[DraviXi99]

Ele tem algo exótico no visual dele mais não sei explicar o que é! Por isso sempre achei que ele iria marcar mais africano do que isso

Sim,tambem nao sei 100% o que é.

Engraçado ele ser quase 10% mais europeu que o nick fuentes,mesmo parecendo um pouco mais exotico.

[zueira]

Sim,tambem nao sei 100% o que é.

Engraçado ele ser quase 10% mais europeu que o nick fuentes,mesmo parecendo um pouco mais exotico.

Viu a pergunta no privado que eu te mandei?

[DraviXi99]

Viu a pergunta no privado que eu te mandei?

Sim,e ja respondi.

o que o jingle bell postou e o que faz mais sentido.

[Laredo]

average southerh would obviously be more than 80% at least.


According to a paper from 2019 it's 80.0 and 84.8 when weighted, see Table 2.

https://www.scielo.br/j/gmb/a/fk6kLTxZknvrJjmC9hdcZBC/?format=pdf&lang=en

I'm sorry but I really have a hard time believing the south on average Is over 80% European, that's just too much not even Uruguay as whole.

To me Is 75-79% with the latter being generous.

[Etelfrido]

:)

[DraviXi99]

I'm sorry but I really have a hard time believing the south on average Is over 80% European, that's just too much not even Uruguay as whole.

To me Is 75-79% with the latter being generous.

Its because uruguay has almost nothing of whites on total numbers,Brasil is a whole story compared to the rest of latin america,it has the highest number of whites so of course it would be this high especialyl at the south.

It doesnt need any generosity

[Laredo]

average southerh would obviously be more than 80% at least.


Its because uruguay has almost nothing of whites on total numbers,Brasil is a whole story compared to the rest of latin america,it has the highest number of whites so of course it would be this high especialyl at the south.

What matter Is % bro going by absolute numbers that's like me saying Mexico Is the 3th or 4th whitest country In Latin America because of absolute numbers Brazil (40 m) Argentina (25m) Mexico (17-20m)

[zueira]

Sim,tambem nao sei 100% o que é.

Engraçado ele ser quase 10% mais europeu que o nick fuentes,mesmo parecendo um pouco mais exotico.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcl0Sbtvy5C-gXZYLA7WqtMIdjXayCvd7Pog&usqp=CAU
O pai dele, o que acha do visual dele?

[DraviXi99]

What matter Is % bro going by absolute numbers that's like me saying Mexico Is the 3th or 4th whitest country In Latin America because of absolute numbers Brazil (40 m) Argentina (25m) Mexico (17-20m)

Brasil does not have only 40 million,thats almost the number of italian brazilians they rarely mix (32 million),white brazilians are estimated to be 1/3 of the country (50 - 75 million)if it was so little i would not see so many whites when searching stuff.

Also,for you,white is based on what exacly,because i heard you saying once that white for you is over 70%,i dont believe in it.

[DraviXi99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCYn4Rb0BE&ab_channel=BandJornalismo

Also 1:25

[Generalissimo]

Baseado em que vc alega que a genera tem um viés de classe?

Acording to their report Brazil is only 11% SSA and many Northeast states are over 80% european/caucasian: https://alemdoclicktech.com.br/primeiro-estudo-genetico-de-laboratorio-feito-no-brasil-revela-a-historia-e-a-ancestralidade-do-povo-brasileiro/

That's impossible based on most of the previous autosomal studies like the compilation user Jingle Bell posted shows (and based on common sense too). I think such bias extends even to their Argentine clients (only 12% native in the study).

I agree with you when you said the test is not expensive but this matter being very niche causes a bias when it comes to the typical profile of the people interesting in paying for it and is not representative of the country as a whole.

[DraviXi99]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcl0Sbtvy5C-gXZYLA7WqtMIdjXayCvd7Pog&usqp=CAU
O pai dele, o que acha do visual dele?

Parece meio dinarico,o que e estranho ja que o wagner nao tem nada de dinarico pra min.

[DraviXi99]

Acording to their report Brazil is only 11% SSA and many Northeast states are over 80% european/caucasian: https://alemdoclicktech.com.br/primeiro-estudo-genetico-de-laboratorio-feito-no-brasil-revela-a-historia-e-a-ancestralidade-do-povo-brasileiro/

That's impossible based on most of the previous autosomal studies like the compilation user Jingle Bell posted shows (and based on common sense too). I think such bias extends even to their Argentine clients (only 12% native in the study).

I agree with you when you said the test is not expensive but this matter being very niche causes a distorcion and is not representative of the country as a whole.

the test jingle bell posted is the most accurate.

[Laredo]

Brasil does not have only 40 million,thats almost the number of italian brazilians they rarely mix (32 million),white brazilians are estimated to be 1/3 of the country (50 - 75 million)if it was so little i would not see so many whites when searching stuff.

Also,for you,white is based on what exacly,because i heard you saying once that white for you is over 70%,i dont believe in it.

For me white Is 75% and over as long there's no black admixture.

[zueira]

Parece meio dinarico,o que e estranho ja que o wagner nao tem nada de dinarico pra min.

Acha ele mais exotico que o wagner moura?

[DraviXi99]

For me white Is 75% and over as long there's no black admixture.

That doesnt make any sense,if the person has black admixture then for you the person must be what,85 percent or so ?

[DraviXi99]

Acha ele mais exotico que o wagner moura?

Nao sei,a foto ta uma merda,e ta em preto e branco.

Acho que o wagner deve ser tipo um atlanto med - paleo atlantid sei la,maioria europeia dele fosse mais "clara".tipo se o pai dele fosse um north atlantid seila, ele provavlemnte nao sairia tao exotico

[Laredo]

That doesnt make any sense,if the person has black admixture then for you the person must be what,85 percent or so ?

The thing Is all my years on this forum and subjects I've learned certain ancestries tend to be more prevalent than others, of course Isn't always the case.

Normally 8/10 mexicans or chileans look white by 75% mark. With black ancestry someone has to be at least 85% to start looking European.

Again this isn't always the case but just some personal observations.

[zueira]

Nao sei,a foto ta uma merda,e ta em preto e branco.

Acho que o wagner deve ser tipo um atlanto med - paleo atlantid sei la,maioria europeia dele fosse mais "clara".tipo se o pai dele fosse um north atlantid seila, ele provavlemnte nao sairia tao exotico

Viu a última mensagem do privado que eu mandei pra vc?

[DraviXi99]

The thing Is all my years on this forum and subjects I've learned certain ancestries tend to be more prevalent than others, of course Isn't always the case.

Normally 8/10 mexicans or chileans look white by 75% mark. With black ancestry someone has to be at least 85% to start looking European.

Again this isn't always the case but just some personal observations.

Interesting,so like,if someone is "white",but has some residual amerindian AND sub saharan african admixture,how much do you think the person needs to be.

[DraviXi99]

Viu a última mensagem do privado que eu mandei pra vc?

Sim e acho que ja respondi.

[DraviXi99]

Also,i go by phenotype over genotype,i have seen some people who are 80% or 90% with light brown hair,ginger beard and light eye slike blue or light green,also type 2/1 skin or so that could pass in germany or british isles even easily as a native,so phenotype is more important to me tbf.

Althogh in the end they were mostly italian (anti italian scum would not stand to see the truth) by genotype (i'm referring to new world people dna tests)

[zueira]

Sim e acho que ja respondi.

https://s2.glbimg.com/zN5PhGCCC6pUkjIraKMVsM7TQ2KWVzsuQapcRO79Nh1Ioz-HdGixxa_8qOZvMp3w/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2013/08/11/wwok.jpg
A mãe de wagner moura, o exotico dele parece ter vindo praticamente todo dela! O que vc acha?

[DraviXi99]

https://s2.glbimg.com/zN5PhGCCC6pUkjIraKMVsM7TQ2KWVzsuQapcRO79Nh1Ioz-HdGixxa_8qOZvMp3w/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2013/08/11/wwok.jpg
A mãe de wagner moura, o exotico dele parece ter vindo praticamente todo dela! O que vc acha?

Acho que sim,o pai deve ser full euro e a mae dever algo exotico,exceto que tipo,e 12% nao eur,nao sei se seria suficiente,se ele for isso a mae deve ser uns 80% euro sei la.

[zueira]

Acho que sim,o pai deve ser full euro e a mae dever algo exotico,exceto que tipo,e 12% nao eur,nao sei se seria suficiente,se ele for isso a mae deve ser uns 80% euro sei la.

Sim, ou o pai dele é euro completo e a mãe é algo como 80% europeia, ou o pai é algo como 95%/94% europeu e a mãe é algo como 84%/83% europeia( mas puxou o lado não europeu no sangue)!

[DraviXi99]

Sim, ou o pai dele é euro completo e a mãe é algo como 80% europeia, ou o pai é algo como 95%/94% europeu e a mãe é algo como 84%/83% europeia( mas puxou o lado não europeu no sangue)!

u o pai e 92% euro e a mae 80% euro,sei la sao so numeros que vieram a cabeça

[zueira]

u o pai e 92% euro e a mae 80% euro,sei la sao so numeros que vieram a cabeça

É só somar 89% europeu com + 6 do pai ou -6 da mãe! A família dele é de Salvador ou do interior da Bahia?

[Italicus]

Geneticamente, como parecem os estados do Rio Grande do Norte, Pernambuco, Ceara e Paraiba? Tem muitos pessoas quem sao mais de 90% Europeo?

[Jingle Bell]

Geneticamente, como parecem os estados do Rio Grande do Norte, Pernambuco, Ceara e Paraiba? Tem muitos pessoas quem sao mais de 90% Europeo?

https://i.imgur.com/vnAPqrI.png
They are about 60% Euro 25% SSA 15% NAM

[DraviXi99]

É só somar 89% europeu com + 6 do pai ou -6 da mãe! A família dele é de Salvador ou do interior da Bahia?

É,acho que sim.

[HectorOfTroy]

The thing Is all my years on this forum and subjects I've learned certain ancestries tend to be more prevalent than others, of course Isn't always the case.

Normally 8/10 mexicans or chileans look white by 75% mark. With black ancestry someone has to be at least 85% to start looking European.

Again this isn't always the case but just some personal observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKXPHpQLQNE

This guy's father appears to be biracial black, making him 20% black I'd assume.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPmxy3vKPk

Well actually his dad might be more like 20-30% black. Son might be 10% SSA

[Etelfrido]

The thing Is all my years on this forum and subjects I've learned certain ancestries tend to be more prevalent than others, of course Isn't always the case.

Normally 8/10 mexicans or chileans look white by 75% mark. With black ancestry someone has to be at least 85% to start looking European.

Again this isn't always the case but just some personal observations.
I don't know which metrics you use to say 8/10 of Mexicans and Chileans look white being only 75% but to most people the source of someone's non-European ancestry doesn't matter, be it Native American, SSA, East Asian, Aborigine, Indian and so on.

[Etelfrido]

I'm sorry but I really have a hard time believing the south on average Is over 80% European, that's just too much not even Uruguay as whole.

To me Is 75-79% with the latter being generous.
And where is it written that Uruguay is necessarily the most European region in Latin America (I don't remember the figures to compare it to the South, but it's certainly the Whitest country in the Latin America)? I at least provided a study, I can imagine how you'd act if someone said you're less European than what you claim even providing a calculator.

[Camargo]

What I've seen here is that we will never reach a consensus. Some members will say that genetic study A is biased, while others will say that genetic study B is the one with a bias.

One must take in consideration that none is representative of Brazil (or any other place). Two thousand (or ten thousand, whatever) samples will never be representative of the whole country or even the whole region it was taken from. There are lot of variables that gives a bias: the social class it was taken from, the part of the city, the city itself, and so on.

We know from this forum itself that the Brazilian population can be very different not only from a region to another, but from a city to another neighboring city.

Many members have a favorite study of their own (I have one myself) because of X reasons. No one is completely right or wrong in this subject.

[Laredo]

I don't know which metrics you use to say 8/10 of Mexicans and Chileans look white being only 75% but to most people the source of someone's non-European ancestry doesn't matter, be it Native American, SSA, East Asian, Aborigine, Indian and so on.

That's why I said I'm going over my own experience, I have on this forum almost 10 years so I'm relying from experience and after seeing lots of DNA of latm Including reddit so that's why I'm making my own conclusion.

[Laredo]

And where is it written that Uruguay is necessarily the most European region in Latin America (I don't remember the figures to compare it to the South, but it's certainly the Whitest country in the Latin America)? I at least provided a study, I can imagine how you'd act if someone said you're less European than what you claim even providing a calculator.

At this point i dont care what anyone says, but responding you I'm not only relying from calculators but also gedmatch, I'm 57% European /Caucasian. In reality my true white ancestry Is no less than 57 and no more 59%.

I even scored 28% white In one g25 calculator, does that mean I'm now officially only 28% European because of that particular calculator :rolleyes:? I'm only going based of what Is consistent.

Don't be so dumb my friend.:rolleyes: anyway the tells me you are not very knowledgeable when It comes to these subjects.

[zueira]

Ancestry results fom the actor Wagner Moura which hails from Salvador, Bahia. A woman matched with him and shared the results:

https://i.imgur.com/9D2i2TP.jpg

Genera results from Minas Gerais:

https://i.imgur.com/hDEWSuH.jpg

23andMe results from the coast of Santa Catarina state. She also posted an update here (https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/q311ib/brazilian_results_i_did_not_post_after_the_last/).

https://i.imgur.com/ne9LJFO.jpeg

Qual sua opinião sobre o wagner moura ser tão pouco africano no dna?

[Leto]

From Manaus city in the Amazon Region,Y-J-M67 and mtDNA B2
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1atfygy/northern_brazilian_result/

58.8% Indigenous American
31.7% European (entirely Southern European)
5.6% Sub-Saharan African (mostly Congolese and West African)
2.3% Western Asian & North African (half of it is Levantine)
1.6% unassigned

[Etelfrido]

At this point i dont care what anyone says, but responding you I'm not only relying from calculators but also gedmatch, I'm 57% European /Caucasian. In reality my true white ancestry Is no less than 57 and no more 59%.

I even scored 28% white In one g25 calculator, does that mean I'm now officially only 28% European because of that particular calculator :rolleyes:? I'm only going based of what Is consistent.

Don't be so dumb my friend.:rolleyes: anyway the tells me you are not very knowledgeable when It comes to these subjects.
You said you didn't like others telling you you're something you aren't with no proof, yet you tell others what you think they are even contradicting a study.

Is someone who obsesses over Los Altos de Jalisco — a region with not even a million people — for years and says it's comparable to Argentina and Uruguay and that a Spaniard would feel at home there knowledgeable?

[Laredo]

You said you didn't like others telling you you're something you aren't with no proof, yet you tell others what you think they are even contradicting a study.

Is someone who obsesses over Los Altos de Jalisco — a region with not even a million people — for years and says Is comparable to Argentina and Uruguay and that a Spaniard would feel at home there knowledgeable?

Who's obsessed with Los altos or Jalisco in general? l or says Is comparable to Argentina? I swear you have to be the most dumb on this forum.

And In case you didn't knew Los Altos does have over 1 million people.

And what study you need? Kid it's a fact Uruguay Is whiter than even southern Brazil.

[Etelfrido]

Who's obsessed with Los altos or Jalisco in general? l or says Is comparable to Argentina? I swear you have to be the most dumb on this forum.

And In case you didn't knew Los Altos does have over 1 million people.

And what study you need? Kid it's a fact Uruguay Is whiter than even southern Brazil.
Here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?362888-Is-Los-Altos-and-its-surroundings-(Cienega-Zouth-Zacatecas-etc)-the-whitest-region-outside&p=7501036&viewfull=1#post7501036) you said it's 80% Euro, which would make it more Euro than Argentina's national average.

You also said that South American and Cuban studies aren't representative for inflating the Euro input but conveniently Mexican ones are correct.

Your baseless "facts" are irrelevant.

[Laredo]

Here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?362888-Is-Los-Altos-and-its-surroundings-(Cienega-Zouth-Zacatecas-etc)-the-whitest-region-outside&p=7501036&viewfull=1#post7501036) you said it's 80% Euro, which would make it more Euro than Argentina's national average.

You also said that South American and Cuban studies aren't representative for inflating the Euro input but conveniently Mexican ones are correct.

Your baseless "facts" are irrelevant.

Thanks again for proving to me you an Idiot, I even said to Tooting Carmen my previous time on the latm section was basically trolling.

And yes Southern American studies aren't accurate did you really think working classes of Venezuela Brazil and Chile would be spending their $300 dollar monthly salary In DNA test? Which means Middle classes are over represented.


Use your brain my friend.

[Jingle Bell]

What I've seen here is that we will never reach a consensus. Some members will say that genetic study A is biased, while others will say that genetic study B is the one with a bias.

One must take in consideration that none is representative of Brazil (or any other place). Two thousand (or ten thousand, whatever) samples will never be representative of the whole country or even the whole region it was taken from. There are lot of variables that gives a bias: the social class it was taken from, the part of the city, the city itself, and so on.

We know from this forum itself that the Brazilian population can be very different not only from a region to another, but from a city to another neighboring city.

Many members have a favorite study of their own (I have one myself) because of X reasons. No one is completely right or wrong in this subject.

Yeah also bcs Brazil is per se heterogenous, the comum is begin diferent, but most study still agree in somehwere btw 60% - 75% in National media, basically at Argentina levels (Or a bit less), less than Uruguay, bit more than Chile, and more than the rest of Southern America.
Obviously depends on region, the less European its a consent that is Maranhão or Amazonas/Pará, at somewhere btw 40 - 50% European, the most European also its a consent in Santa Catarina/Rio Grande do Sul, btw somewhere 80% - 85% (Similar to Uruguay), the less African seens to be the South as whole with about 5% - 10%, the most we have a consent that is Bahia (Not a surprise) with somewhere abt 40%, depending heavily in region, Salvador had about no less than 40% but no more than 60% SSA in any study, so would be Salvador at abt 50%? But Salvador and Metropolitan region takes only of 25% Bahia populations, places like Ilhéus had only 30% SSA, and the Agreste about 30% - 40%, the average would be abt 30 -35% imo, the most indigenous would be Pará/Amazonas or Maranhão with 30% in average, the less its Minas Gerais or Bahia, especifically Salvador, with both scoring no less than 5% but no more than 10%.

Sources:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep09812
https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1504447112
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2014215
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3040205/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiKpcbTqbWEAxVcjpUCHcJsC3sQFnoECBAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgeneticanaescola.emnuvens.com.br %2Frevista%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F435%2F390&usg=AOvVaw2QN-80sEbFYZVUh2bGCkFt&opi=89978449

[Etelfrido]

Thanks again for proving to me you an Idiot, I even said to Tooting Carmen my previous time on the latm section was basically trolling.

And yes Southern American studies aren't accurate did you really think working classes of Venezuela Brazil and Chile would be spending their $300 dollar monthly salary In DNA test? Which means Middle classes are over represented.


Use your brain my friend.
If you were trolling at that time (with more than one account) then we don't have any reason to trust what you say now.

I know DNA tests aren't reliable (not only in South America, but in all of Latin America of which Mexico is part despite some Chicanos wanting to be related to the US (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?365677-MEXICO-ES-Un-Pais-Norte-AMERICANO-A-NORTH-AMERICAN-country-not-a-sudaquita-country)) but scientific papers are more reliable than them, even though they might not be representative either.

And just for the record I'm not interested in competitions of who's whiter, Uruguay could as well be 100% European; the issue's that you clearly have a bias against certain countries that makes you disregard some professional studies and accept amateurish ones that fit your agenda.

[Camargo]

My problem with genetic studies is that most of the time they take samples in a few cities and show the results as if it was representative of a whole geographical region that is bigger than Ukraine, specially in very hetererogeneous regions like the Southeast or even the Northeast (yeah, that region is very heterogenous, despite what a lot of people think). Usually, the majority of their samples are taken in state capitals and, if anything, literally a couple of cities in the interior.

Even inside states there is a lot of differences. São Paulo, for example, is a very heterogeneous state, where the São Paulo Metropolitan Region is very different from the countryside (which differs from region to region too). The same applies in most of the other states, even in the whitest states like Rio Grande do Sul. Samples taken in Porto Alegre, with more African imput, would differ reasonably from the samples taken in the Southwestern region (with a lot amerindian influence) or the samples taken in the Serra Gaúcha (one of the most European regions in South America).

Some studies are taken from public healthcare system, while others are simply based on DNA sites that only the middle and upper-classes can afford. Anyway, they don't take more than 5 to 10 thousand samples. The only study I've seen with real high number of samples was posted here by member Zueira, with over 250 thousand people tested, but made by a private company.

[Laredo]

If you were trolling at that time (with more than one account) then we don't have any reason to trust what you say now.

I know DNA tests aren't reliable (not only in South America, but in all of Latin America of which Mexico is part despite some Chicanos wanting to be related to the US (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?365677-MEXICO-ES-Un-Pais-Norte-AMERICANO-A-NORTH-AMERICAN-country-not-a-sudaquita-country)) but scientific papers are more reliable than them, even though they might not be representative either.

And just for the record I'm not interested in competitions of who's whiter, Uruguay could as well be 100% European; the issue's that you clearly have a bias against certain countries that makes you disregard some professional studies and accept amateurish ones that fit your agenda.


I don't not care wether you trust me or not, but you are very dumb here's why are you serious try to compare the Mexican diaspora with the Southern American? Really.?

First of all the Mexican diaspora or Chicano origins are mainly working class origins unlike southern Americans are most likely middle or upper class from their countries.


Florida specially Miami it's full of middle class Brazilians Argentineans etc living there.

Brazil or south Brazil could be 80%+ European I do not care, but those numbers are NOT realistic wether you like It or not.

Don't forget you are engaging with someone who has a bit over 10 years of knowledge to these subjects since I was a teen ager.

[Laredo]

And what studies are you talking about? I agreed to the one Jingle Bell posted.

Enough of this bullshit already.

[Etelfrido]

And what studies are you talking about? I agreed to the one Jingle Bell posted.

Enough of this bullshit already.
The one I posted was the same one he had provided, I just pointed to a specific table of it and you didn't agree with it.

[Laredo]

The one I posted was the same one he had provided, I just pointed to a specific table of it and you didn't agree with it.

What I meant Is agree with the whole Brazilian samples more or less with the exception of the South It's a bit more European than what I personally believe.

The South can be 80% European, but more than that sounds like an extreme exaggeration unless they are cherry picking /bias Influence by selecting certain group of people there.

The thing Is many people can look white even by being only 65%" It's not really that rare it's not the most particular case but It happens.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?374850-Classify-Brasileiro

[DraviXi99]

If you were trolling at that time (with more than one account) then we don't have any reason to trust what you say now.

I know DNA tests aren't reliable (not only in South America, but in all of Latin America of which Mexico is part despite some Chicanos wanting to be related to the US (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?365677-MEXICO-ES-Un-Pais-Norte-AMERICANO-A-NORTH-AMERICAN-country-not-a-sudaquita-country)) but scientific papers are more reliable than them, even though they might not be representative either.

And just for the record I'm not interested in competitions of who's whiter, Uruguay could as well be 100% European; the issue's that you clearly have a bias against certain countries that makes you disregard some professional studies and accept amateurish ones that fit your agenda.

Rmula,together with carlitos were for sur esome of the most retarded posters on the forum yes,but is past.

[arco]

what's the best dna test for brazilians who are not mutts? i say that because it won't change much if it's accurate for indigenous or africans

[DraviXi99]

what's the best dna test for brazilians who are not mutts? i say that because it won't change much if it's accurate for indigenous or africans

EXPLAIN

[Reinds78]

Venezuela it's like 60% European lol

[Reinds78]

Venezuela would be like less SSA and a bit more Euro Ceara?

[Leto]

Are Japanese Brazilians mostly mixed in the Generation Z and younger? I doubt there is any significant Japanese immigration to Brazil going on today.

[DraviXi99]

Are Japanese Brazilians mostly mixed in the Generation Z and younger? I doubt there is any significant Japanese immigration to Brazil going on today.

I don't know about japanese immigrating to brazil but asian brazilians seems very closed to non - asians,just ask some brazilian members.

[Etelfrido]

Are Japanese Brazilians mostly mixed in the Generation Z and younger? I doubt there is any significant Japanese immigration to Brazil going on today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Brazilians#Integration_and_intermarriage

[Zumbi]

Mostly Portuguese from São Paulo:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1b0ke6n/brazilian_dna_results/

Half German from Rio Grande do Sul:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1b1au0r/my_results_brazilian/

Heavily Iberian guy from Rio Grande do Sul:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1aznheu/southern_brazilian_results_haplogroups_pic_of_me/

Southern Brazilian(not sure from where),he is like 75% German and 25% Swedish;He tested his kids too,one of them has Eastern European ancestry and Iberian,the other one has Iberian and Italian

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1900qas/four_generations_patrilineal_i_honestly_expected/

[Leto]

A self-described Pardo Brazilian who is 90% European and only 3.5% SSA
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1bgx77r/updated_results_pardo_brazilian_pic/

[Blaise]

A self-described Pardo Brazilian who is 90% European and only 3.5% SSA
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1bgx77r/updated_results_pardo_brazilian_pic/
Thats is southern European Man

[Blaise]

Qual sua opinião sobre o wagner moura ser tão pouco africano no dna?
Classe alta

[zueira]

Classe alta

Ele é da classe alta?

[Blaise]

A self-described Pardo Brazilian who is 90% European and only 3.5% SSA
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/1bgx77r/updated_results_pardo_brazilian_pic/


Ele é da classe alta?
Pai militar

[zueira]

Pai militar

Mas cara ser militar não quer dizer muito, vai desde general( classe alta) a soldado razo( classe baixa)!

[Jingle Bell]

Pai militar

Ele nunca foi de classe alta, tanto que ele teve uma infância bem difícil.
Apesar de ter nascido em Salvador, se não me engano ele só nasceu lá, acho que a família dele é de Rodelas, nas divisa com o Pernambuco, onde ele também morou por boa parte de sua vida.
https://www.correio24horas.com.br/entretenimento/variedades/wagner-moura-fala-sobre-infancia-pobre-e-escravidao-no-interior-da-bahia-0717

[Jingle Bell]

what's the best dna test for brazilians who are not mutts? i say that because it won't change much if it's accurate for indigenous or africans

23andme, AncestryDNA, g25.

[Sovanz]

23andme, AncestryDNA, g25.

Even with family tree dna or my heritage and g25 isn't any further testing In my opinion .

[zueira]

Ele nunca foi de classe alta, tanto que ele teve uma infância bem difícil.
Apesar de ter nascido em Salvador, se não me engano ele só nasceu lá, acho que a família dele é de Rodelas, nas divisa com o Pernambuco, onde ele também morou por boa parte de sua vida.
https://www.correio24horas.com.br/entretenimento/variedades/wagner-moura-fala-sobre-infancia-pobre-e-escravidao-no-interior-da-bahia-0717

Uma coisa que tenho notado muito em fóruns da Internet ou reddit é que se um brasileiro marca acima de 80% europeu nos testes genético automaticamente ele é a elite da elite do Brasil pros gringos ou mesmos alguns brasileiros e não pode representativo! Tenho a impressão que eles acham que o Brasil é um país caribenho ou algo do tipo

[Jingle Bell]

Uma coisa que tenho notado muito em fóruns da Internet ou reddit é que se um brasileiro marca acima de 80% europeu nos testes genético automaticamente ele é a elite da elite do Brasil pros gringos ou mesmos alguns brasileiros e não pode representativo! Tenho a impressão que eles acham que o Brasil é um país caribenho ou algo do tipo

Sim, a verdade é que o Brasil é bem endogâmico, então mesmo pobres, tendem á casar com outros brancos pobres, pardos tendem á casar com pardos e etc.
Assim que os Quatrocentões (Antiga elite bandeirante) e Canavieiros (Antiga Elite Do Engenho) se perdurou mesmo entre pobres, o Belchior (Cantor) não é menos de 80% Europeu, nem o Didi (Trapalhões), Zé Ramalho, Cazuza, e tantos outros de origem pobre ou classe média mas extremamente euro . .

[zueira]

Sim, a verdade é que o Brasil é bem endogâmico, então mesmo pobres, tendem á casar com outros brancos pobres, pardos tendem á casar com pardos e etc.
Assim que os Quatrocentões (Antiga elite bandeirante) e Canavieiros (Antiga Elite Do Engenho) se perdurou mesmo entre pobres, o Belchior (Cantor) não é menos de 80% Europeu, nem o Didi (Trapalhões), Zé Ramalho, Cazuza, e tantos outros de origem pobre ou classe média mas extremamente euro . .

Eu acho que isso era mais comum antigamente, essa endogamia populacional! Uma coisa fácil de notar é olhar as fotos dos negros antes de 1950 no Brasil e olhar agora! A maioria deles passaria facilmente na África antes de 1950, agora a maioria dos negros brasileiros mostram claro sinais de mistura étnica no fenotipo

[zueira]

Pai militar

Cara uma coisa fácil de perceber no reddit sobre o cara autodeclarado pardo 90% europeu é de como os gringos nos comentarios não entendem muito esse conceito de auto identificação que existe no brasil! Além do tamanho do país e a diversidade regional, além do enorme classismo que existe

[Blaise]

Cara uma coisa fácil de perceber no reddit sobre o cara autodeclarado pardo 90% europeu é de como os gringos nos comentarios não entendem muito esse conceito de auto identificação que existe no brasil! Além do tamanho do país e a diversidade regional, além do enorme classismo que existe

Esse comentário meu foi rum,mas é só ver 70% dos brasileiros se casam no seu grupo etnico

[Jingle Bell]

Eu acho que isso era mais comum antigamente, essa endogamia populacional! Uma coisa fácil de notar é olhar as fotos dos negros antes de 1950 no Brasil e olhar agora! A maioria deles passaria facilmente na África antes de 1950, agora a maioria dos negros brasileiros mostram claro sinais de mistura étnica no fenotipo

Sim, o Brasil sempre teve uma tendência endogâmica, salvo exeções com o litoral da Bahia/Rio, Norte do Brasil

[Leto]

White people from Brazil
https://i.ibb.co/5kYR2tP/13iwl772etnd1.jpg

[Cryptic]

For me white Is 75% and over as long there's no black admixture.

75% is still too low to be considered White. I’ve seen dozens of half White American half Mexicans in my life and most don’t look remotely White.